The American nation is on the boil! It's law enacting body or Legislation is likewise on the boil on impeaching biden. Both Nancy Pelosi and Kamala Harris are target to be impeached as not to compromise the Presidency! So Biden, Kamala, and Pelosi has to go! How would you welcome ex-President Donald Trump to be re-instate? Remember Biden has sold out America to the enemies!
I for one wish Trump was in the White House, In my view, I would feel much safer with his decision-making. We have so many problems we would not have had if he would have won. I have never in my life witnessed the country in such s state ...
That is not how we do things in this country. Trump won’t be ‘reinstated’. I don’t seriously think that Biden is going anywhere, unless by choice.
Finally somebody with some sense. This is a ridiculous forum by a non-American who does not have to live here and has very little understanding of our way of life. Trump is being thoroughly investigated for his activities, for example, tax evasion, and he will be lucky if he escapes prison time. It is unknown what the result will be of the investigation on the Jan. 6 invasion of his followers on the Capital, but the invaders are pleading guilty by the number. He has one thing in his favor here. At least he didn't pardon them en masse like they expected him to. We are lucky to be rid of him.
"We are lucky to get rid of him." Think so good? Have you read my response to live-to-learn above? Trump really put America and their America first! Whereas Biden is holding forth for his masters especially Russia and China! Now add Afghanistan. And China is behind that. What does America stands to gain? So you like all these? The only thing I dislike about Trump he does not like science. God save America! "Finally", what finally, Miz? "somebody" else here with some senses. Read Ken, emge and MG Singh posts/comments above. Does these mean a thing or two to you? God save America! As for the America culture or way of life, I like it. That's what pains Trump more than anything else, and he had to check that by restricting immigration. I had a handbook, a gift by the American Embassy. There I learn America culture.
So you admire Trump, who has shown that he has no respect for women, the disabled, and he agrees that white supremacists are fine people.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-e … ds-n627736
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/30/91848379 … -supremacy
I'm shocked that you would admire this man since you are a black man.
MizB..... It is not your place to tell a black man how to think. That is demeaning and as offensive as Joe Biden's "You ain't black." You might want to study the history of the Democrat and Republican Party. You could do with a dose of truth.... Miebakagh is better informed than you are, when all is said and done.
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The hell he is. He is as brainwashed as most other Trump supporters who deny the many crimes he is currently being investigation for, including: Tax Evasion and Solicitation of Election Fraud. He actually thinks Trump won the 2020 election which automatically disqualifies him as informed about our politics.
Brainwashed? That's funny coming from you. The propaganda machine which is the Democrat Party has thrown every accusation imaginable at Trump and every single investigation has come to naught.
Anyone with eyes to see knows just how corrupt the Biden family is and has always been. Unfortunately, they are protected by big tech and the media. Consequently, half the population remains uninformed.
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Come to naught? He was shielded by the office of the presidency. Now that he is not, he is open to being actually charged. Hell, even in office, he was named as an unindictable co-conspirator in a crime his attorney actually went to jail for. Mueller laid out ten obstruction of justice crimes that DOJ officials from both GOP and Democratic sides of the aisle noted would lead to a guilty verdict by any other person not protected by the office.
I've noted how Americans handle such issues practically, right from the Watergate days. Richard Nixon, was ask to resign or he be thrown out of the Oval Office, right? That's not a constitutional nor a judicial precedent. But it's a firm Legislative move. I learnt all that as a boy of 15 years. So Richard Nixon honored that challenge honorably. Has Americans easily forget? Or d'you Americans think Biden is the Queen of England? Seriously, I'm a student of American history and still digging. I like American culture. Grant the fact Trump can't be re-instated, so you like Biden to stay put and mess up America more? He's there in the Oval Office serving his masters. Don't you realize that?
My opinion of Joe Biden has nothing to do with the ridiculous nature of your question. Only a coup can put someone in office who is not duly elected. Not one sane American would advocate a coup.
Miebakagh, you may read about American history in the books, but you are not studying American Government. Richard Nixon committed a felony so heinous that even his own party wouldn't tolerate it. What do you mean "that's not a constitutional or judicial precedent."? Read American law. He set the precedent. Somebody has to be the first to set a precedent. It takes a bipartisan effort to impeach a president, and articles of impeachment had been drawn up against Nixon, but he resigned before that happened. Nixon was a Republican.
"On July 23, 1974, Rep. Lawrence Hogan, Sr., a Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, bought airtime on TV networks across his home state of Maryland. He had a big announcement to share: Hogan was the first Republican on the House Judiciary Committee to publicly say he would vote to impeach Nixon. It was just over two weeks before Nixon would announce his resignation, and the Judiciary Committee was poised to approve three articles of impeachment against the president — except nobody knew that yet."
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/it … don-nixon/
I'm really getting amused at the foreign Trump supporters who are commenting on our politics. It shows how much they don't know about America politics.
I completely agree that Biden is the fifth columnist inside the US who has sold his soul, Dr. Faustus, to the devil, in this case to China. There is definitely a case to impeach Joe Biden and his group. He has tarnished the image of America in the world with the chaotic retreat like rats leaving a sinking ship from Afghanistan. I wonder how this man can face the cameras and still continue to mouth lies.
I tend to agree with this sentiment.
Unlike 99% of Americans, like you MG Singh, I get most of my news regarding what is going on in the world and in our politics from outside American Media News sources.
When you do so, you can gather a far different (and far more accurate and honest) picture about what is going on and why.
So far what Biden has accomplished.
Shut down Pipelines, Oil and Gas drilling (increased regulations, denied federal lands) within America.
Then a few months after, went to OPEC and asked them to increase oil production. This benefits the OPEC nations at our expense.
Sabotaged Renewable Energy and EV efforts in America, the Green New Deal is a sell-out to Legacy Auto and the UAW as well as Big Oil.
In addition, Federal Agencies have gone on to attack Tesla which has been pioneering advances in EV, AI, Renewable Energy for over a decade and is ahead of ALL competition. This occurred days after Biden met with the heads of Legacy Auto and the UAW.
Withdrew from Afghanistan only after China had come to terms with the Taliban. China will now have access to critical mineral, military, and pipeline concessions in return for supporting the Taliban Regime.
Another win for China's Silk Road... or Belt and Road Initiative as its also known.
And then there is the Border.
So the WINNERS of the Biden Administration are:
2 - Legacy Auto and ICE Vehicles
3 - China
4 - Illegal Immigrants.
Proof that Biden had sold out America to the enemies. He thus qualify for impeachment.
So far the winners are:
1.) The climate - as 99% of the GOP continues to deny it exists.
2.) American soldiers who no longer need to die in an endless Afghanistan conflict.
3.) The border is no different than any other year as CBP has noted that unique encounters are only slightly up from most years. Maybe Congress will do its job and tackle immigration laws. Completely manufactured crisis.
4.) Cities - as crime rates and murder rates are now down from the final year of the Trump Administration.
5.) Children - child poverty is down, families are no longer being torn apart at the border, and Biden supports mask mandates in schools.
6.) The economy - unemployment rates down, Stock Market at all-time highs.
7.) Infrastructure - bills actually getting passed to tackle the country's needs as opposed to throwing a hissy fit when trying to negotiate.
8.) Individual Rights - a justice department that actually fights for people's rights when states try and infringe on them in areas such as voting and reproductive rights
Actual losers include:
1.) White supremacists - no longer getting shout outs from the government
2.) Tax evaders - Trillions in unpaid taxes by the rich are being sought to fund the spending plans
3.) Partisan hacks - Congress is actually debating laws
4.) Polluters - the record of the Canada ownership group in terms of oil spills on American soil was pretty bad. Clean water is pretty important as we learned in places like Flint, MI and Kentucky.
Valeant, you would do better trying to re-animate a corpse than to try to reason with the Right.
What Valeant listed was nothing but malleable statistics and trends that have nothing to do with actual decisions and orders by the President.
Unlike my list, all of which directly correlate to decisions and actions specifically taken by the President.
Anyone that still supports Biden, Pelosi, etc. have blinded themselves to the reality that they are just as bad, just as corrupt, if not more so, as anyone they hate on the other side.
"Anyone that still supports Biden, Pelosi, etc. have blinded themselves to the reality that they are just as bad, just as corrupt, if not more so, as anyone they hate on the other side."
Nothing is as bad as the other side. That is case in my humble opinion. I have yet to be convinced otherwise, by one that is clearly aligned with that other side
Yes, I realize you have been duped into thinking there is a difference between the two parties.
You fail to realize that those who control the two "sides" are subservient to the same lobbyists and corporate interests.
This is why there were a record number of Republicans that forfeited their seats in Congress in 2018 rather than give Americans the rescinding of the ACA ... Insurance and big pharma fleecing of Americans ...that they ran on and promised them.
This is why the likes of Elizabeth Warren and Tulsi Gabbard get marginalized and muzzled.
And it is why now the Green New Deal is bogged down, and has been turned into a sellout to big oil, legacy Auto, and the UAW.
The corrupt cronies remain in control, and people like Valeant laud them with accolades for things they never did, never cared about, and only give lip service to.
Meanwhile the people you think you are helping, have been helped how?
Higher gas prices?
Low waged jobs?
Apparently, less murders is not helping the country to Ken.
Less child poverty is not helping.
People getting, or even being able to return to, jobs is not helping.
An increased stock market by bringing stability and not chaos to the country is not helpful.
As for your continued Tesla gripe, when setting goals for future EV adoption, it makes some sense to be inclusive of the groups that need to still reach that goal - not those already there. And it's not like Tesla won't have access to the $7.5 billion in EV charging infrastructure, or the expected new reform of the federal EV incentive program that should give a $10,000 rebate to Tesla buyers. Was there some pandering to the unions here? Sure. But politicians pander to their base voters all the time. In my view, that's just the latest fabricated partisan outrage of ignoring one candidate pandering to a base while being critical of another for doing the same thing.
7.) I seem to have missed this one - what bill has Biden signed to repair our infrastructure? The last I heard, Pelosi was still refusing to allow debate or consideration - nothing at all had passed. Did I miss her backing off and the House actually doing their job for once?
And every day it looks as if there is not the support they will need to pass the infrastructure bill if it is saddled with Biden's Reconciliation bill. It well appears many are jumping ship and not going to go down with Biden. Hey, many just want to keep their job.
Well, we can hope that there are enough sane Democrats in the House to force the issue with Pelosi. Eventually it might happen - hopefully before we lose more people to collapsing bridges, failed water treatment plants or failing dams.
And if not, well, it can be another feather in Democrat's cap - "See what you did by not wasting 3T? People DIED because of you evil Republicans!".
Hopefully, we can get a good infrastructure bill passed, and can they can shove the reconciliation bill. I think both parties need a win on the infrastructure bill. The big-spending bill well, I don't think some Dem's want to give up their jobs, and if they go home with huge tax increases of the rich that butts they kiss --- oh well one can guess there will be many that won't cut off own noses...
"hopefully before we lose more people to collapsing bridges, failed water treatment plants or failing dams."
Tsk, tsk. Sounds like "Eso" is rubbing off on you.
Really? I recall more than a couple of instances where all of those events caused loss of life, some of them in the recent past, some (dam failure) earlier. Don't you?
Sure I remember past, (recent past), infrastructure collapses, and ensuing deaths. And I believe there is an urgent need for an infrastructure bill.
I think there is a range of reasons for that need. From economic benefits to potentially lifesaving repairs. But look at the reason you picked for justification of that need.
I did say "rubbing off. Had the effect been stronger you would have finished with; there are children on those roads and bridges and near those dams. children will die if this bill doesn't pass.
1. You have no way of proving such a view.
2. Wow, funny Obama did not save the lives of all the soldiers that died in Afghanistan on his watch. 13 soldiers dead due to Biden's poor plan to pull out of Afghanistan
3. Your statement does not correlate with actual records of U.S. Customs and Border Protection. Once again here are the actual stats. that show the historic rises in encounters at our border. We have had months of historic numbers all summer. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sout … encounters
4. Your comment does not prove to be true Murder rates are higher than in 2020. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 … -violence/
https://time.com/6086558/us-homicides-v … ime-rates/
5. This child poverty rate is down due to Biden tossing free cash at families with children.
6. The Trump economy is just returning to work as the pandemic has permitted and their unemployment running out.
7.No the infrastructure bill has not made it through as of yet... And may not.
8. The DOJ is doing Biden's political bidding. Just like the Dems accused Barr of doing. This DOJ Ib my view is a lackie. Getting involved in cases that are clearly to push a political party's views.
1, Never heard anyone in the previous administration give a shout-out to White Supremists. Ever... Need a bit of proof.
2. Hate to inform you but Biden's tax bill has not been pasted, and most likely never will be. You can hope.
3. I don't think Congress is even breaking a sweat. What laws do you speak of?
1.) I could easily pull out the voting record of the GOP in Congress to prove that point.
2.) What the hell are you even talking about bringing up Obama? You can remain in denial that conditions on the ground in Afghanistan that made it dangerous were due to more than just Biden. As always, your TDS- Trump Demagogue Syndrome is on full display.
3.) I'm not sure how many times I have to quote the actual CBP report that clearly states that the rise in encounters is due to Trump's Title 42 and that unique encounters, the number of actual people trying to cross is nearly the same as it has been. You go ahead and keep ignoring that information as well to get yourself all worked up about the same situation our country has been facing for years now - one that is suddenly a crisis just because your guy is no longer in charge. Two similar situations - one a crisis, one being handled bigly - is just a fabricated reality.
4.) Do more research, the murder rate showed a 23% increase in the first quarter as Biden's people were being appointed and approved, then just 10% in the second quarter. They rose 25% in 2020.
5.) Yeah, so? Trump tossed free cash to farmers to keep them from bankruptcy after hurting them with his trade policy and you guys didn't blink an eye. At least Biden didn't cause this issue before throwing the money at it.
6.) The Trump economy was an extension of the Obama economy, right up until Trump ended with higher unemployment and a net negative job gain. Biden's stock market has crushed Trump's in the first year, and unemployment has dropped by 1.1% already. Trump only managed a .7% decrease in four years.
7.) The bill has made it through the Senate with bipartisan support. That, in itself, is a welcome change.
8.) The DOJ is now independent and is holding states accountable for violations of rights. Your opinion, as always, shows conspiracies with zero proof.
1.) Stand back and stand by...Trump's re-election campaign actually used Nazi symbols that facebook had to remove.
2.) Hate to inform you, Biden has been very public about increasing the IRS budget to go after tax evaders. You can deny, but that's living in an alternate reality. There are dozens of articles of exactly how much he wants for them.
3.) Like I noted above, Infrastructure bill in the Senate got major bi-partisan support.
3. I gave you facts right from U.S. Customs and Border Protection. Once again here are the actual stats. that show the historic rises in encounters at our border. We have had months of historic numbers all summer. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sout … encounters
The well-kept charts show the facts. You are just incorrect.
5. Trump obtained trade contracts that helped the farmers increase sales. And offered financial help in a time that farmers were having hard times
6. Not sure when the Democrats will stop taking credit for Trump's economy. First, they give Obama credit, now Biden...
It's more than funny. We now have a fool in the WH that could just have sat back and watched the Trump economy resurface, but has his own plan that calls for extreme spending, and has brought on inflation. That is increasing monthly...
7. Just saying it has not passed. It most likely will. But the reconciliation bill with all Biden's "Build Back Better" BS has little chance of passing unless it is ripped down big time. We won't see his big old tax hikes...
8. The DOJ is doing Biden's political bidding. The DOJ is sticking its nose in State's Government business. Staes have every right to control their own laws such as voting laws as well as abortion laws. Both topics are nothing but political. Biden lied in regard to making the DOJ a puppet that would do his bidding.
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3. Just not passed as of yet. It may pass it's a win for both parties, and that's the only reason it has a chance of passing.
I can see you're working hard to defend this president. But in my view, it would be a very hard job for even a team of a hundred to do that.
3.) You gave me partial facts. Your encounters numbers are accurate, but then you leave off the second part where the CBP states why they are higher - because of Trump's Title 42 policy. When factoring in the retry rate, the numbers are the same. Not sure why you cannot grasp that concept, but I have a few theories, and none are kind to say.
5.) Trump's trade war decimated the markets for farmers. Hence, he created the problem he then had to solve by throwing money out to farmers. The difference here is Biden is solving an already existing issue, not one he created and then cost taxpayers billions to solve.
6.) Not sure Trumpers will ever understand the reality that all Trump's economy was was a continuation of trends under Obama, with the small exception of massive tax cuts that marginally dropped the unemployment rate from 4.2% to 3.5%, something Obama had trouble getting under 4%.
8.) States do not have the right to violate the US Constitution with their laws, sorry to have to be the one to inform you of this. The DOJ looks at laws to determine if they believe this is happening, they don't need Biden to clearly see that abortion and voting laws violate the document all states need to follow.
1.) Do a web search...plenty of proof for anyone who can search for the proof of those two things. They are pretty well-known in left wing circles, not surprising you've not heard of them.
I can see you're working hard to spam this site with all your extremely far-right fabricated narratives. You're averaging about two new threads a day that you regurgitate from all your far-right sources. You should get new hobbies, these are unhealthy for you, before you go showing up to your state Capitol again during the trial run for the next January 6th.
Do you consider The Justice Department site a site that can't be trusted as a source? Well at this point --- maybe... Each source I offered gives information on the DOJ lawsuit. IMO a political lawsuit is being perpetrated by the DOJ.
I can see my links cornered you... You always get personal when cornered. Maybe you should get a new hobby.
At this point, I will agree to disagree. I made my point.
I didn't bother to look at your links because they don't prove that Biden directed the DOJ to file these suits - which was what you claimed. You listing the actual suits is not in any way cornering anything. It's you listing information and then creating your own narrative devoid of any proof, which is the kind of lies I am going to call out.
When a state makes a law that infringes on the rights of a group of citizens, the DOJ can file suit without any direction from the white house. Where is your proof that Biden directed Garland? Without it, you're just putting out your latest conspiracy theory with zero proof. In essence, you are fabricating something to fit a narrative you are unable to prove. Unlike with Trump, we have the proof that he directed his DOJ to interfere in the 2020 election.
If you feel my calling out your half-truths as getting personal, so be it. I'm tired of you spamming this site with your fabricated propaganda that leaves out plenty of information in formulating false conclusions. It's these same fabrications that led Trumpers to attack their own Capitol(s), which I see as acts of domestic terrorism.
Biden is riding on a leftist wave and there are many who are singing and dancing that he has won. They know no not know what is in store for them. In another few years, everything will crystallize and then these very people will realize that they've been fooled by this man who has sold them like Dr. Faustus to the devil that is China.
I think that is clearly represented in Valeant's reply to my comment.
Those that support Biden will never see the reality of what is really going on, they will continue to believe the political lies, the corporate propaganda fed them every day.
Its always the same "Republicans are evil", "Trump is evil". They can't get their heads around the fact that the likes of Biden, Pelosi, etc. are just as bad, just as corrupt, if not more so, as anyone they hate on the other side.
I don't think Ken is saying Trump is evil. Methink he was painting an analogy that somebody could infer that as certain Republicans are evil, Trump no less than a Republican is equally evil! But that's far from Ken's mind. Besides, one can understand it better by asking the question: why did Ken bring the picture of Biden and Pelosi into it? Here's the logic:all Republican are evil. All Republican are men. Trump is a man. Trump is evil. Ken, as a Trump couldn't agree to that.
You spoke the truth. These singging and dancing persons don't really vote. Or if they vote, they're mislead to vote for the wrong person. Let them sing and dance. Realty will soon catch up with them. Then they'll woke up curing Biden to his face.
However, after u no what hits the fan it's very hard to clean up.
Very rightly written Miebakagh there is no doubt that Biden has made a Faustian pact with China and the Taliban. All this will come out in due course of time and then the Americans will realizr that they had put a man in as president who has no loyalty to America. HE FORGOT ABOUT THE 3000 MEN AND WOMEN KILLED IN AMERICA AND 2400 SOLDIERS THE FLOWER OF AMERICAN YOUTH KILLED IN AFGHANISTAN AS WELL AS 100 's NOW IN THE CUSTODY OF THE TALIBAN AND YET THIS MAN IS MOUTHING ALL NONSENSE AND THERE ARE MANY IN AMERICA STILL SINGING AND DANCING ABOUT HIm.
We must never abandon The Constitution of The United States of America.
It is very well explained In the Federalist Papers which features articles written by James Madison, John Jay and Alexander Hamilton in 1787-1778.
Even in the beginning there were those who needed to be convinced of its value. The papers were submissions to the New York newspaper to educate people regarding the benefits of the proposed new constitution.
Never has it been more important to refer to our founding document and understand the basis of our democratic republic with its protection of our rights, our liberty, our our true joy of life which is I N D E P E D E N C E.
AS IN INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY WITHIN BOUNDARIES.
Trump understands that freedom and boundaries are two sides of one coin.
Maybe you can't stand his manner, or the way he seems, but underneath there is solid common sense, logic and good intentions for the American people and the country.
... and he needs to step into his rightful place: President who was cancelled due to voter-fraud.
But once an election has been decided upon and accepted, there is no going backward.
This no redo/reinstatement situation is a lesson for the future.
Secure-up your fair voting methods and procedures before-hand.
Without a fair vote, there is no more Democratic Republic for the USA.
Lost, Gone, Bye-bye.
God forgive the Americans for rubish their voting rights. Poor President Trump! I pity him.
Yes. Have you heard about how Brazil eradicated their communist government? People marched in with weapons and said, "GET OUT!"
Well, thats what I was just told by a friend from Brazil.
"My God has the same opinions that I do (including political ones")" is an old and very sad belief. People had different ideas about who would make the best president in the United States and voted for who they wanted, as in any democratic election. One side may think that the other was foolish or wrong to vote as they did, but neither side requires forgiveness from a deity for their action.
Absurd thoughts indeed. Americans and America don't have a deity. They maker and creator is GOD, ever merciful and forglving!
God is a type of deity. In a monotheistic religion, the word refers to the one God. In a polytheistic one, the word is used for multiple beings.
Like it or not, not everyone shares your religious views. They are true for you and other people who share your beliefs. Different beliefs are true for others.
According to your reasoning, the two voting sides, has two gods. Multiple voting sides, has multiple gods! That brings up the thought of deities! What are deities in the first place? These are man's concept about anything that can bring comfort or otherwise to a troubled mind. I'm not sharing a religion here. That said, you'll have as many deities as a man can idealized. Hence, mankind create a deity. So "My God has the same opinim that I do (including political ones...)" I'll not go into a religious mindset as I say above. Dim-wit is the person that don't want God bless America! Was America identified with certain specific deities? What are their names? Do the Federal Convention in the Philadelphia State House in May 1787 gathered under the name of a deity or a god? These days, America has too much challenge.
In my first response, I was using "a deity" as a general term for the numinous. People who believe in God have different concepts about its nature.
Atheists and people who have different concepts of God from you are not dim-wits. In many cases, they have thought deeply about the topic.
You have shared your religious beliefs in your posts. Perhaps in some cases you didn't mean the reference to God literally.
I never share my religious beliefs in my posts or comments. What I post I infer and opine by looking up in a dictionary, and online help. Throughout my posts i have said that I wouldn't delve into a religious matter. Who witness or heard me say am a christian, or a moslem?
What do you think diety means? Look it up. Don't use your imagination.
Yes I do look up deity. I likewise looked up God. God is creator and maker. But I'll be as far away as religion is concern. Something special I noted is that The Deity or God seems to be used interchangeable. Critically, deities/gods seems manmade and in contrast with The Deity (God) period
With all due respect you are arguing apples and oranges. Deity is not a god itself. It is a classification for a god, God, or different gods. For your consideration the Greek god Zeus is a deity and Allah is a deity just as the Christian God is a deity.
In your reply to Alicia C you ask did the convention of the Constitution gather under the name of God. You capitalize God, which by most means the Christian god. Yet, God is not mentioned in the Constitution.
I ask you do you respect and accept the Declaration of Independence, which is one of the foundations of the Constitution? In it it says specifically "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,"
If you notice Jefferson said Creator, which infers a deity that can be any god, gods, or God with him showing respect to different religions and people's beliefs. That is because he was wise enough to know there are many religions with a different god or gods besides the Christian God. They are all deities.
Apples are not synonyms with oranges. Nor is orange synonyms with lmes or lemons. Though these three fruits oranges, lime, and lemons comes under citrus fruits as a classification. I don't have to go and mention the others here. I google The Deity, and found that it's interchangeably with God. But specificaly, God is not deity for He's not created. A deity is more of a mental concept. A deity has the conotes a male and female god, specific as husband aod wife. Jefferson was wise enough as a sage to use the word Creator to avoid division.
Apples, oranges, lemons and etc. are different things are they not? Yet they are all fruit.
The Christian God, Allah, Zeus, Athena, and others are different things. Yet they are all deities.
Does the christian God has a wife? Nope. The muslem's Allah, or the Jew Yahweh don't have a wife either. But the Greeks, Romans, and other pagans god(s) has husbands and wives. That duality I think gave rise to deity.
How do you know? That a wife is not mentioned in scripture written by misogynistic males hardly seems enough to say any god does not have a wife (or husband - I don't recall anything actually specifying either God or Allah as male).
One could assume that because God is singular that the entity does not reproduce and is thus neither male nor female. Of course, we all know what assumptions are worth...
Implicit in this is the assumption that only the Christian God is real; that all the others are only imagined - a "mental concept" just as you say.
I doubt that you find much agreement from those that believe in a different diety than your god. That's why God is also a diety; because all are but creations of man's mind and there is nothing but unsupported belief that any are actually real.
"Implicit in this is the assumption that only the christian God is real;.." Now how about the Jewish God? And the moslem God? Does not the same assumption implicitly apply equally? As I've said before, the word God (not god) connotes Creator and Maker. God create the Universe. He has never been the concept of man's mental state or He should be depicted as a symbol like a carved image. That's how far the human mind can go to get "so fi ni", or thunder god; or Atemis, or the magnificent Diana. Yes, these gods sofini, atemis, and diana have carved symbols or images done by a human being and you can buy one for $10 or less. Let me tell you something. A rat or ants can gnaw that efigy to piece, and you've got to replaced it with another. Again, "all are but the creation of man's mind". Repeat:God? Nope...god(s)? Yes.
That was the point; that ALL religions give their own version of God as the only real one. Christian, Muslim, Jewish; all claim theirs is the only one.
Yes, you said that God created the universe...but offered no proof that your claim is true. As do all other religions; make the claim, but without supporting proof. Your version of the Creator (IF there was one; there is no evidence that there was) is not the same as other religions yet all claim their version of a Creator is the right one.
wilderness, I'll comment on your last paragraph. The Sun, Moon, and Stars that we see day and in day out, what evidence is there for they creation? Evolution or the Big Bang? And what about us human beings? Animals, reptiles, birds, the great vegetation, and the vast expanse of rivers and seas? Could we say Biology? Many years ago, I read about a man that got losted in a river. He got frozen and given up dead. When discovered, doctors bring him back to life. On the evidence before them, they tried to create a human being but fail awfully. In the Universe, whatever you see that is beyound the abiliy of humans, is proof that God(not a god) exists.
"In the Universe, whatever you see that is beyound the abiliy of humans, is proof that God(not a god) exists."
No, ignorance of how to do something is not proof that God exists or did it. It is only proof that we (mankind) is ignorant of how to do it ourselves. And that ignorance changes (shrinks) daily. Consider that until recently (an eyeblink in our history) we didn't know how to reproduce the fusion fire of a star, but we do now. Consider that we didn't know how to change the genetic structure of an animal or plant; now it is common practice. Go back a few years ("few" in the grand scheme of things) and we didn't know how to make fire - doesn't mean that God makes all fires.
As far as evidence for the Big Bang, research microwave radiation in the universe.
There is a Force guiding It's own creation. We can tune into and unite with this Force. We are conscious, as It is conscious. if it were not so, we would not be conscious. We are a bit of God.
Thank you, Kathryn. Thank you. Dim-wit is the person that don't understand your statement. Seriously, our ignorance of that Force will not and never execuse us. We're here for a/various mission, and some day pass over for accountability.
Again, just as with God, tell me what instruments I can use to detect this force. Tell me where it comes from, so I can make some myself. And explain how it differs from the scientific definition of "force" so we are understanding each other.
The sixth sense of extra sensory perception will detect the force of God. One can see the light and feel the love. The tool is one's own consciousness. It comes from everywhere. Force is power. It is the essence of intelligence, logic and love. It is beyond the intellect. So that's all I can say.
Good analysis. A scientific mind if not in tone with the Godhead(not religion or theology), will surely miss the point. God is not detect in the lab as we can detect oxygen gas or nitrogen gas. But with some foresight, a person can began to perceive God. You made a good point.
Few years back, and apart from our ignorance of how not to do certain things, and that phycists for example can do, like "fussion fire from star," can such scientist create and install billions of stars in the earth's atmospher to blaze our sky much brighter at night? A scientist decades ago wonder why the stars don't manifest that way-blaze the night sky giving light everywhere! Since then, apart from ignorance, hundred of years has past. Our great scientists are exploring the Moon, Mars, and other planets. Satellites for communications were being launched into our atmospher and the Moon. My point is this: can the scientist project a giant device into the sky-far above the atmospher to give us light at night?
They cannot. Again, that we cannot do something does not mean God is required to do it: for tens of thousands of years we could not life a person into the upper reaches of the atmosphere. Now we can, and find that God is not required.
Our ignorance of how to do something does NOT default to "God, and only God, did it". Questions such as your last sentence, implying that because mankind cannot do something (yet) is proof of God is faulty logic at best.
At best you're agreeing that the physicists cannot. Even if we have to project that for the next 1000 years! But I likewise agree that lifting man here to the Moon is one of the greatest wonders of modern science. It was made easy by overcoming the force of gravity with the force of lift. I was thinking about the force of equilibrum that keep things in balance. All the planets and the Galaxy were in equilibrum and harmony with one another. So is the Milky Way and the Andromedia. Now how about using the force of Equilibrum to balance a scientific made stars in our atmospher? Critically and seriously, what man cannot do, if it were not necessary for our benefits, God will not do it.
There is no "force of equilibrium". The galaxy is not in equilibrium - there are collisions every day in just our solar system wherein boulders are destroyed. In just our own solar system the destruction is massive every single day from solar bodies not in "equilibrium" with each other.
One day our galaxy (millions of stars and planets) will collide with the Andromeda galaxy (more millions of stars and planets) and the destruction will be beyond our ability to imagine. This is hardly "equilibrium and harmony"
Those destructions are small and are a form of action and reaction being equal. Thus creating harmony and balance. The Galaxy and the Andromedia will never collde. They're not designed so. Speculation is not God but man.
It means it's comparable to the tears and wears going on in the human body.
Hmm. I don't see the total destruction of solar bodies as comparable to the wearing out of the human body. That giant asteroid, for example, that caused the extinction of dinosaurs and most other life when it crashed into earth has zero to compare to with the gradual deterioration of a life form.
But what makes you say that the two galaxies won't collide, just as asteroids and comets did and do with earth? Simply because you don't want them to, or is there other evidence contradicting the motions we see of both galaxies?
There's no such incidence of a heavely body colliding with another and falling downing to destroy earthly life. Fact is that there's a warfare between two Principal parties God and Satan, the later a rebellous created being who hold sway on the earth before the Big Bang. Scientists just speculate the demise of unknown animals rightly or wrongly. Prior to the BB, there's a sort of earthly life on planet earth. We don't know much about it. We only speculate. It was a war, and it brought destruction to all earthly life. Only Satan and his hosts escaped though fallen. Significantly, giant solar bodies colliding with one another scarter into gas, stars, dusts, water vapor in their atmospher. Though certain particles may reach the earth's atmospher. Have you noted that the earth's Sun has been speculate to have 60 million years to burn out? Then the whole Solar System ends? Really?
No evidence of a "heavenly body" colliding with earth and killing life??? Look up what killed off the dinosaurs - you will find that it was a large asteroid falling into the gulf of Mexico, and that it eradicated a significant portion of life on earth as a result. Or research the "Tunguska event", when a large asteroid entered the atmosphere above Siberia and flattened 80 million trees. Wikipedia has an article on it.
As we cannot detect God or Satan, and cannot discern any actions directly attributable to either, it is impossible to truthfully state there is a war between them.
Prior to the Big Bang, there was no earth, and thus no life on it. It was billions of years after the BB (approximately 8 Billion years) that earth came into being, albeit as a planet VERY much different from the one we know today.
There may be a misunderstanding; by "solar body". I meant a body of matter orbiting our sun - not another star.
No, the Sun does not have 60 million years until burn out; best guess is in the billions. Googling it, I find 7-8 billion years. No, the solar system does not end then; it just has only the very limited energy from starlight as energy rather than the huge nuclear furnace we have today in the sun and goes cold as a result. Insufficient for any kind of life as we know it. Some other energy will likely be available as well; we speculate that the tidal forces on Mimas are keeping the interior warm, for instance. There will likely be some small amount of radioactivity as well, and even at that late date there will still be collisions happening, giving off energy when they do.
"Prior to the Big Bang, there was no earth, and thus no life on it." You got it right. That's the thing that divide the learned from the insiightful. What was not insightfully realized by many was that the earth was submerged under water. It was in a state of tohu wa bohu or waste and emptiness. What cause this waste and empty state before the Big Bang? It was the clash between God and Satan as I said above. God the Creator don't want to have had an assuming God or god before him. Satan was a created being, and was put incharge over the earth before the Big Bang. So all life on earth before the BB was destroyed and submerged under water. It was the first catastrophe ever. The BB herald the recreation of the earth, which we have now. Britannica, Americana cover all this. But I don't know if it's there in Wiki. It should be. But why pick up the dinosaurs as the only animals that got extinct
...when they're billions of others, including vegetations? Were the dinosaur the only creations back then before the BB? Seriously, you should have had noted that Noah's flood was an actual event in which the whole earth was flood under water. But only Noah and his family escape and very few animals and birds plus selected vegetation were preserved with him. Everything else outside Noah's life was an adversity and a catactysm. The dinosaur disaster and Tungusta event, were these dated?
You seem to have a mistaken impression of what the BB was. The BB was the beginning of our universe and all of it's natural laws; before that time there was Nothing with a capital N. No earth, no stars, no natural laws, no light, no life, no matter of any kind...nothing at all. To talk of the earth or it's life before the BB doesn't make sense.
No, Noah's flood was not an actual event, for there is not, and never was, sufficient water on earth to cover the surface. There never has been enough water to do that; it would require a body of water the size of Pluto to cover the surface. Water that was then magically removed from the earth against the pull of gravity. There are other indications as well; with the addition of that much water the rotational speed of the earth would have to change (conservation of angular momentum), creating storms planet wide that would dwarf modern hurricanes. Water everywhere would become brackish, neither salt nor fresh, killing all aquatic life but the tiny portion that lives in brackish water. The rate of rainfall would have scoured the earth of all topsoil, leaving nowhere for plants to grow. With total cloud cover of that kind of density for over a month the temperature would have dropped rapidly, freezing the vast majority of the earth.
No, Noah's flood is but another biblical tale without truth outside of a purely local flood; such floods have happened throughout history and are nothing unusual.
"The BB was the beginning of our universe and all of it's natural laws; before that time, there was Nothing with a capital N. No earth, no stars, no light, no life...no matter of any kind...no nothing at all." No matter how mistaken I'm, the BB affect only the earth, and not the Solar Universe! Physicists, scientists, cosmologists who're not in tune with God or what the heathens has called the Great Spirit will not understand or agree to this. Surely, your description of the brackish water and the choatic state is perfectly correct. That state is perfect judgemental against the earth, due to the rebellion of Lucifer(Satan) against his Creator. Just before that, the earth was glorious and a beauty. Critically, the Solar Universe was not affect by the judgement on the earth. But we know there's insignificant displacement like the tear on the earth's atmospher, when the earth was re-created.
That is correct. Our universe had a definite beginning; it has not been there forever. No eternal lifespan prior to this date. Even time itself did not exist before the BB.
Yes, that "dateless past" you're briefly trying to paint has a limited lifespan. Time was not there. If ever it exists, "the physics" need to find out was not even there. But what type of life was lived? That we don't even know, and never will know. All was converted into a "waste" judgementally. Surely, we've veered a little or much? away from the main topic of the discussion. But I like Trump and all the good things he has done for America. Have you ever a hint in American political history if Biden was impeached, and found wanting, any likeness of Trump being reinstal as President?
Time doesn't exist in the universe. It is only an earth concept, or so the Ascended Masters tell us.
MizBejabbers, could not it be that much understandable, if the descending masters tells us that? Have you ever heard these words "descending masters"? What is "evening and morning" or "day and night" for? The Earth's Moon is not luminating always. Apparently, any planet in the Universe other than the earth, that exhibit partial or temporary darkness must have a time frame. Also, in the Universe other than our earth where worship exists, there is time for gathering and dismissal. Seriously, time was drop on the earth after the Big Bang. But it was discovered later, and computed into seconds, minutes, and hour. But in the other planets these units of time are not there.
No, I've never heard of "descending masters." The earth is a planet of free will. Humans developed time as a measuring stick to exercise our free will. I don't know for sure that the concept of time exists on other planets, and I doubt that you do either. Until an alien actually lands here and enlightens us as to whether or not they have a concept of time, we won't know for sure.
Time exists everywhere in the universe we can detect. It is true that man developed a method of measuring time (just as he did for distance, mass, illumination and many other things), but it is there, and always was, whether it is measured or not.
Radioactivity. Planetary orbits. Movement of any kind. Molecular vibrations. Electricity and electron flows. Just some of the events that require time, and they have been in our universe since the BB.
Miz, you heard wilderness, right? Time exists every where in the universe, before the Big Bang. Even in God's heaven where holy angels and evil spirits lives, time alright. The Sun, seems to be the actual tool used by the ancients to measure time, that divide day from night. So when scientists or specific physics grasp the time frame, they divide into units of seconds, minutes, and so on. Miz seriously, you've moved out from one faith into another. And I noted here you had not realized descend masters are real as opposed to ascending masters. I pity you.
Wilderness did NOT say time existed before the Big Bang, for it did not. Nor did he say it exists in heaven, nor that ancient peoples used the sun to measure time (they used the earth's rotation, but thought it was the sun moving).
wilderness did not say any of the above. What he said is that time exists everywhere in the universe since the BB. I owe the statements he denied. I just call attention or make a reference to his post. All the statements he denied are mine. I hope this now clarify things.
...he and his followers need to step into their rightful place: The loony bin for people who claim voter fraud with zero evidence.
The rightful place belongs to those candidates duly elected by the people and the electoral college, anything less is tyranny.
I take it that September 17, 1787 is an important date heralding the American Constitution. The Constitution tells you that they's no interfering in the governmental powers...the separation of powers...with separate executive, separate legiskature, and separate judiciary, and each checked by the other branches. That being said, any enactment made by Congress is subject to Presidential apsoval. Likewise, the President had to submit lists of his most important appointed officers and treatise to the Senate for confirmation. If the President does any wrong, that can be investigate. And if found on the down side, impeached. If still on the downside, ask to resign or be thrown out of the Oval Office. This aptly covers the case of Richard Nixon.
"Those that support Biden will never see the reality of what is really going on, they will continue to believe the political lies," I think you got the President's name wrong in this sentence. Can't believe anyone would still think Trump knew anything about reality or truth. Thank God every day that America survived him. Never, ever put anyone in the White House who doesn't win the popular vote! Twice in the past three administrations it has been a disaster.
Trump knew that if you stifle business with rules and taxes there will be fewer jobs. Biden doesn't.
Trump knew that if we allow unlimited immigration the country will become a third world affair. Biden doesn't.
Trump knew that if we are wrong end of trade agreements we will all suffer. Biden doesn't.
Trump understood that if we shut down the country too long the economy WILL fail. Biden doesn't seem to.
Biden knew the president's job is to enforce the laws of the country. Biden doesn't.
We should never put a professional politician in the office of President, for they are all far more concerned with their pocketbook and power base than they are the country.
(It all depends on what you're concerned about, right?)
Yes. Biden is happy he is President, though. How Come?
"We should never put a professional politicians in the office of the President...(It all depends on what you're concerned about, right?.)" Apparently, this could be a difficult choice. Does the American Constitution state that? And I may not fail to point out that professionals like Trump are had to come by. Politicians only understand two words power and money. In that you're correct.
I'm amused. Look at the title of this forum and please tell me how it morphed into this deep discussion about God and the universe when it started out as just the opposite.
Miz, I'm even much amused with your response. You seem to stand gazing at the thread/discourse, not taking an active part in the discussion. Welcome back. Could you please dive in deeper? Go back to the point where I pray "God forgive the Americans for rubishing their votes" and Linda wades in with what I call the voting God? Critically and seriously, conversation is not statics, but dynamic, though, we've digress much. MizBejabbers, as an American, you very well noted that when Richard Nixon was impeached, and found wanting, he was ask to resign by the very House that impeached him, right? Considering the essense of my thread, Biden qualify for impeachment. Why is the House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi, sullen on that? Can't you find any point for Trump to be re-instal? Okay, were back on course. Surely, you don't ever like Trump? D'you?
I didn't participate up to this point because I didn't see anything worth arguing about. What do you mean by the statement "...where I pray "God forgive the Americans for rubishing their votes" What is "rubishing their votes"? And why should God forgive Americans for voting out a President? God gave humans free will. Are you asking God to forgive humans for exercising it? The God I believe in doesn't play politics.
The only rubishing I see is Trump trying to change the outcome of the election. That is unconstitutional. You're right though, I don't like Trump because he goes against our very Constitution with propaganda and other unsubstantiated facts. Even his "fraudit" in Arizona actually gave Biden more votes than the first count of ballots did.
Biden is messing up America. Time to reserve all the wrongs Biden is doing on behave of his masters.
People sitting in America must understand that to see how you really look you need a mirror. Right? it's wrong to suggest that people outside the United States do not know anything about what is happening in America. In fact, I think when you're out of America you can see the picture much more clearly. My personal view is Americans are wasting their time going after Trump.
Latest opinion polls put Trump ahead of Biden and that should be a bit of a shock to many who are dancing at the victory of Biden. What does this portend ? it definitely means that Trump is very much in the race and we'll be back as POTUS.
Doesn't really change much for the 81 million of us who would have voted for a used tampon over Trump. The fact Trump continues to show his mental illness by denying the reality of our legal votes just cements our decision to vote for anyone other than him in 2024.
The polls at this time seem to be indicating buyers' remorse in regard to voting for Biden. I would not think if a redo of the elections might have a Trump win. In my view, perhaps some miss having someone that works to solve problems instead of creating the problems. Biden certainly has a full plate of problems and seems to be ignoring all.
However, it's early in his term, much will depend on the coming years. But. at this point he appears to be a man that can't do his job IMO.
Actually, what it has shown us is that the GOP is inept as ever in working across the aisle to solve America's problems. For example:
1.) Not a single GOP rep voted for a stimulus package that over 60% of America supported.
2.) Resistance to the vaccines - a large issue among GOP voters that will extend the negative effects of this pandemic longer into the future.
3.) Failure to vote for a rise in the debt ceiling to pay for the additional $7.8 trillion in debt that we already spent under their watch, despite Democrats doing it three times in a bipartisan fashion during the last four years.
4.) GOP reps actively working to prevent the appointment of Biden nominees to basic posts.
Biden is working to get infrastructure and climate bills passed. He has already added stimulus and withdrawn the US from Afghanistan - albeit without the foresight to anticipate the fall of the Afghanistan forces in just 11 days. The migrant camp at the border has been disbanded and those with asylum claims will be heard, in accordance with our laws.
Biden does have a full plate of problems - but many were the same problems we have had or problems he inherited from his successor such as the spike in gun violence that arrived during the heart of the pandemic, the broken economy from the pandemic, and the decision to withdraw from Afghanistan. The border has always been a problem as noted by the same range of unique encounters - not your inflated Title 42 totals of people retrying that is up by nearly 30% from usual levels.
Some are glad we are taking a humane approach to such problems instead of separating families at the border, lying about the pandemic, or denying that systemic racism even exists today in this country.
While Biden may not have been many people's true choice, if asked, I'd still bet that many would still see Trump as the single greatest threat to American democracy going forward.
That people want "free" money does NOT mean it will solve any problems at all. It may buy votes, but will not solve any of the nations problems.
Hearing asylum claims for people entering from Mexico is NOT in accordance with our laws, as Mexico is not a country we recognize as producing refugees. Once an immigrant is in a country (Mexico) that does not have the problem they are running from they no longer qualify for asylum status. That they wish to move further, to a country that will give them lots of freebies, does not mean they are a refugee from anything.
Actually, what it has shown us is that the GOP is inept as ever in working across the aisle to solve America's problems.
This is very true at this point. The GOP has a duty to support what they feel is beneficial for their constituents. Which would be expected to be a majority of conservatives. This is politics, not sure why you would expect the GOP to work across the aisle with a president, and his administration that is IMO leaning so far left it clearly promotes socialism. Being a conservative, I am very pleased to see the GOP remaining strong in their resolve.
1. The Trump Ad. had already provided two stimulus bolls, that money had not been utilized before the Dems wanted more cash. I supported the GOP in the decision not to pour more money in --- or the $300.00 over and above unemployment. I feel it was an incentive for many not to return to work and has resulted in inflation.
2. this is your opinion.
3. I agree that the Dems need to own the huge debt ceiling increase they are pushing. I support the infrastructure bill as does the GOP. But the Buy Back Better Bill is a list of socialist BS I don't want my Party to be responsible for. Let the Dems wear the badge for the mess that Bill would cause our economy. Not to mention the destructions it would cause to America's very social values. I pray the GOP keeps their feet in cement on that bill.
Republicans want Democrats to tackle the debt ceiling in a separate filibuster-proof package because, under Senate budget rules, that would require endorsing a dollar figure on how much the U.S. can borrow. The Republicans will not offer the Dems an open checkbook. I support this.
"Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said if Democrats “want to tax, borrow and spend historic sums of money without our input, they’ll have to raise the debt limit without our help.”
4. As all new administrations do.
The migrant camp at the border has been disbanded and those with asylum claims will be heard, in accordance with our laws. --- New caravan is headed across Mexico. Biden has no control over the border, and IMO he wants open borders. IMO this will be a huge nail in his coffin.
"Some are glad we are taking a humane approach to such problems instead of separating families at the border, lying about the pandemic, or denying that systemic racism even exists today in this country."
In my view, I find your idealogy ill-thought-out, and simplistic. I don't feel open borders are fair to American citizens or migrants that come in legally.
We have laws... It would be ridiculous to deny we have systemic racism, it's been part of our social makeup, and most likely will remain. Hopefully, our society will continue to work on this problem. However, when you have a president that continually pouts out the people of color are different, and being treated differently to stoke a dived, that divide will most likely flourish. Pointing out hate is a good ground to grow more hate.
I find Biden and whoever is handling him the greatest danger to America. I have complete faith that the majority of American's will reject this man and his administration.
There will be no ground gained in regard to democracy under an administration that in my view, is doing everything they can to destroy democracy, and promote socialism. This is my opinion.
"It would be ridiculous to deny we have systemic racism, it's been part of our social makeup, and most likely will remain. Hopefully, our society will continue to work on this problem. However, when you have a president that continually pouts out the people of color are different, and being treated differently to stoke a dived, that divide will most likely flourish. Pointing out hate is a good ground to grow more hate."
It is not a problem for you, so why would it be an urgent concern for any of you? Systemic racism is already an acknowledgement that people of color are different. Instead of ignoring this and being in a state of denial, let's do better to account for it and make corrections. Instead of being concerned about hiding "dirty laundry", clean it instead
Biden, while far from perfect, is better than any Republican is in even considering this reality.
As I stated, Hopefully, our society will continue to work on this (systemic racism) problem. I feel it is a problem that our entire society needs to work on. That's my personal thought. I don't think we have much of a chance of solving anything until more become aware they need to get on board and work toward one goal.
Yes, that is true. Do you really feel most white people ignore systemic racism? I don't, I have shared with you before that I think our society has made good strides in race relations. I realize it's not what it should be. But all the pushing and shoving won't benefit the progress that we need to make, in fact, it could harm the progress we have made.
I am sure you are aware of the incident where the border control agents were accused of "whipping Haitians as they were trying to enter the US. Biden in a speech very dramatically claimed very matter of factly that the Border control agents were "strapping " them, and that the agents would-be punished. He did not consider an investigation was presently being done, and that the agents had been removed from their jobs, and put on desk duty. The leader of America was a judge, jury, and executioner. The following day the photographer that took the footage claimed he did not see any kind of whipping at all...
Yet it was too late the seed was planted, I white men had strapped black men.
One could only imagine how a black person hearing the president's words would feel, perhaps angry, hurt... Did Biden stoke and support your sentiment --- Systemic racism is already an acknowledgment that people of color are different?
Yes, Biden made very clear the Haitians were treated differently due to their color. But were they really treated any differently than other people that come across the border illegally in that rural area? Where horses have been used due to the terrain for many years?
Was it fair, was it wise to accuse these men before an investigation was complete?
Can the feelings a black person felt at hearing the words of the President be put back in the bottle? Maybe we need to stop dirtying laundry purposely, and we would not need to work so hard trying to keep up with the growing pile of dirty laundry.
This has been a festering problem that just did not appear overnight. A closer look at this society and culture leads one to question if it will ever really be addressed.
Many whites are unaware, some are aware and choose to ignore it as it has no ramifications on their lives and, still, there a subset that foment it and do it from the shadows.
I don't like being pandered to, even if it is the President of the United States. As long as I can see that what happened to the Haitians would be standard operating procedure against anybody or anyone else crossing the border illegally, I have no issue. Just do not treat me differently than anyone else outside of SOP (codified and in writing) without a hell of a good reason.
No,I would not cast blame and dispersion without proof, I would have looked before I leaped. Biden panders to his base just like Republicans pander to theirs. I don't approve of pandering all the same.
You know as well as I do and any one else that Biden is tied to an apron string. So he can only do the bid of his LORDS. Other than that, what can he do?
"The earth is a planet of free will."
Dam I like that. It works for both the real and the metaphysical. I will probably steal it for later use. ;-)
Let me quest. You're going to post a new thread later. That's the only reason you jump on my thread? Which camp are you? Biden?
GA, honestly or ignorantly, you're welcome. Okay, get something to forward my thread. If you come here again to 'steal', a word, phrase, or a sentense, or a keyword short or long, you're be arrest.
It was an honest statement. Miebakagh57. It seems we must have some kind of culture or language clash issue. Now, with your second reply, I almost have to assume you are attempting to offer a little humor.
These forums are public and anyone may participate—whether their comments "forward" your thread or not.
However, just in case your reply wasn't an attempt at humor, to be clear, I will participate based on my desires and I will comment anyway I wish. In this case, MizBejabbers' quote was the only thing, (as I see it), worth commenting on.
GA, the forums are public, and everyone including you is welcome. As you can see, I have a keen sense of humor, and you rightly discerned that. So you're waiting again for MizBejabber to post a comment, and then filch or pinch a word or two again? Lol!
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