Trump - November 14, 2022 And So It Begins
Will he announce it tonight? What do you think?
I say yes, he will.Yes, I think he will too. But is he doing the right thing?
His ego will not allow for anything else, he will and I can't wait....
It is debatable that he is running based on his ego! Lol!
I wonder when Antifa and BLM will start their burning, looting and mayhem. In the sommer of 2023 or wait until sommer of 2024.
Agreed, I think he will announce. I think he is back with a vengeance. I don't know if he cares more about actually running for office or just going on a retaliation tour against those who have turned on him.
His biggest act of revenge could come in the form of him announcing a run under his own party.Trump cares about the success of the nation. He is very success oriented.
A percolating economy and the safety of the nation is not preferable for most of the people who would rather let out prisoners, allow terrorists and human / drug trafficking past the borders and implement all things woke and green.
To them, destruction of the nation equals success, I guess
He was and is for all the right things. He has been attacked by one of the most destructive political parties on earth. Yet he keeps fighting for the right things.
We have many Americans who full-out hate just about everything America stands for, so he will have an uphill fight.If he does, he will have to really strategize if he wants to win. So much is against him. The Democrats in power will resort to devious means to smear him. The Democrats are such demonic manipulators & propagandists.
I do agree. It's sad more Americans can't just look realistically at the job Trump did while president, and just what a mess the Democrats have made of the country. We have a really scary thing going on, many have become brainwashed in my view. I don't say this lightly.
I am not sure one could call it a retaliation tour. I just keep thinking this man has been unjustly hounded for years, and he does not give up. He keeps on track, and will not back down. One might think he believes in the movement he started, and will fight for it.
If he does announce his return Faye, it will have nothing to do with "vengeance" and everything to do with unwavering, unrelenting determination and staying power.
I'm not so sure of that. I'm thinking he's going to name some names tonight and the smearing attacks will begin. Mr Trump has always been about himself. Even as he was supposedly rallying for Republican midterm candidates, all he did was talk about himself and lash out against other Republicans. Hell hath no fury like Donald Trump scorned. And it's going to all be directed toward Republicans.
If it's directed at the establishment dinosaurs and the urgency for them to get out of the way to make room for younger, energetic, spines of steel, in-it-for-the-people and for the Country, constitutional conservatives {Cred loves that one} for a change, then I will be cheering him on!
I dunno AB, with the GOP's incredible loss of young single professional women in the last midterm, the GOP does not come off as the voice of a younger generation.....
Quality over quantity is always fine.
The Republican slugfest will be the Democrat's triumph. This is MOST UNFORTUNATE at this point. There is a saying give a person enough rope, h/she will hang himself/herself. The Republicans are playing into the Democrat's demonic chess game.
This has absolutely nothing to do with Democrats. Republicans have trapped themselves in a political prison of their own making.
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/159 … rpJv9YmEvQSaving this Country has ABSOLUTELY everything to do with defeating Democrats.
Mr Trump called himself a victim last night. In my opinion there's nothing weaker than assuming victimhood and someone who hangs that label upon themselves.
Mr Trump is unquestionably the leader of your party. How does a victim become the savior of the country? To continually call yourself a victim is an invitation for people to view you as extremely weak. Is he looking for sympathy? Pity?Nothing in my view is more courageous than a person that has been unfairly victimized that will not stop fighting for what he feels is right. Trump is a fighter.
Not sure how anyone could call Trump weak. He is still standing after all the Democrats threw at him. He beat every single BS accusation they came up with. Yes, they have many, like yourself disliking this man. But many of us admire what he did for America and his wonderful fighting spirit.
I mean you got the man you wanted just out of hating Trump. How do you like what you got? I think one might call those that voted for Biden true victims. Victims of having no noses.The logic does not hold that if I dislike Mr Trump I am automatically in favor of President Biden. There's a lot in between. I just don't think in terms of absolutes. I do think that he has shown himself to be a reprehensible grifter. Most of us out here that don't peg ourselves in one party simply go for the lesser of two evils. I believe Mr Trump is running to avoid his legal troubles along with exacting revenge.
The embrace of Mr Trump will be the Republican party's complete demise. He lost the popular vote in 2016 by a lot, his midterms were a loss, he lost in 2020 and his support for a clown car of candidates in this midterm with another loss. Who really thinks he's headed toward a win in 2024?
Soon he will seal the fate by most likely choosing an extremist running mate like Kari Lake or MTG.
Gen z came out in force for this midterm unlike any group of young voters in history. I don't think Mr Trump or the Republican Party is offering anything to grab this group"The logic does not hold that if I dislike Mr. Trump I am automatically in favor of President Biden. "
As I stated, you never touch on anything that is negative in regard to Biden, you flip to Trump with comparisons. As I just did with you. This is, in my view telling. You just will not even touch on anything Biden related.
I find no common sense in your thought that Trump is running to avoid legal problems. If he were going to be indicted for a crime you can bet he would have been. Yes, I do realize he has accusations hanging over his head. and one can bet if the DOJ can prove any of these accusations they will charge him --- Period. The Democratic party has been trying to get Trump for 6 years now... Perhaps you might want to consider that.
For not supporting any one party, in my view, your dislike for Republicans is very obvious.
You are correct Trump is not offering any monetary pay off to Gen Z's.
And Biden's "I am going to help you pay off your loans" is a ploy. A cheap ploy at that.Oh I certainly don't have a dislike for all Republicans. Just because I don't like a good handful of them doesn't mean I lump them all into the same category. I do not look at the party as a monolith. Some views I hold May overlap some Republican views and some may not. I do have a great deal of respect for people like Liz Cheney, Mitt Romney and others. I also have had a great deal of respect and support for my state's own outgoing Republican governor. I don't go all in on anyone or anything. Honestly I think we are the majority out here. The exhausted majority. We are sort of sick of the chaos and division. Don't really want any part of it or any politician who advances it.
So, your thoughts on Biden, and his Democratic administration? I think I realize your feelings in regard to "some Republicans".
So what do you think about Biden's cognitive problems, they seem to be getting worse. What do you feel about Biden's Border?I don't think the President Biden has any more age-related cognitive issues than anyone else his age. Having an awful lot of elders in my life at this point I can see the similarities. I can certainly cut him some slack in that area knowing that any president works within a surrounding team/cabinet. I would call his administration "experienced" . I see him losing his train of thought or searching for a word but I can certainly relate to that myself. Quite honestly I don't think I would have the stamina to do what he's doing.
Yes, I will admit I am vehemently opposed to the rhetoric of particular Republicans. MTG, Matt Gaetz, Lauren Boebert, Ted Cruz, Andy Biggs, Jim Jordan and others. Their rhetoric is nonsense and divisive and offers nothing constructive to the country.
In terms of the border I believe that very little has changed in policy since Mr Trump left office. President Biden attempted reform on day one and it was met by politicians who couldn't hammer out an agreement. They couldn't do their job. I put it squarely on Congress and the hot potato is still in their lap. Now it'll be bounced over to the majority in the house come January. Will anyone be willing to do what they were elected to do at that point? If not, people really better start reassessing who we are electing and not just continually looking at the party they belong to. I don't know how we ever got to the point where we believe a president has power to do absolutely anything and everything. What do we need this worthless Congress for then?? This is probably why some in our country would prefer a dictator.
And again, it's generally going to be voting for the lesser of two evils in an election and that's pretty much exactly how I viewed 2020.We can agree to disagree on Biden's cognitive problems. As an RN I can tell you aging does not dictate one cognitive state at any age, this is very much individual. Yes, we can see confusion in the elderly, however, not all that age become cognitively impaired.
I have no idea if campaign promises will be kept. I can say I will be watching, and that is where Democracy comes in, we can reassess, and vote out those that we found incompetent.
" I don't know how we ever got to the point where we believe a president has power to do absolutely anything and everything. "
I think this is human nature, part of what we like to think. We look every four years for someone to lead, and what policies they run on. One can only hope that any given Congress will work with the person the people have put in the White House. Do they? Not much. Have we come to a time where we are pretty pissed off, and expect Congress to do its job, I think so. Last night Trump added his hope to push through term limits on Congress. I think this would help bring more cohesiveness to Congress.
It's not that Marxist democrats are blind to what is go on in this country, they're the cause of it.
Yes, because every single Democrat is completely and exactly the same. They share views without any individuality whatsoever.
They all think in lockstep. They must share the same genetics somehow. Maybe their brains are chipped?
I think many, many more Americans need a course in critical thinkingOh yes, they are behind it. It is clear they got a foot in under Obama, in my view. Biden is a puppet, sort of like a zombie that does what he is told to do. However, he is not holding toghter well.
He most certainly did not come off as a victim, you can't be serious!
He listed the many accomplishments under his administration.
He questioned the blatant incompetence of our current administration.
He then set his sights on the future, he didn't linger there in the past.
It was a home run speech for him.He flat out called himself a victim. Maybe it's just me but I don't find victimhood mentality a positive quality for a leader. I think there were also quite a bit of inaccuracies in his speech.
There is a difference between being a victim, and being victimized. The Democrats have victimized, Trump from the moment he tossed his hat in, in 2015. From day one they deliberately treated him unfairly and hounded him with untrue accusations. As they are still doing. They sought with media to make him a hated man. Yes, there is a big difference between being a victim and being a person that is so clearly victimized.
Last night Trump shared his accomplishments, and yes the truth of what Biden has done in two years. He once again is willing to step up and try to get the Nation back on the right track. His vision is a positive good vision for America and its people.
Yes, he will have the kitchen sink thrown at him.Well stated Sharlee.
He is not only still standing, he is bringing it....once again, gotta love it, whether you're a supporter or not.As I have said I will be voting for Trump, I will fight the good fight. I think it will be an uphill fight, and the Dems will really come out strong. We know how evil this bunch can be.
His speech was so good, this man loves America, and its people.I thought you said you didn't want to see him come back??? I think you said quite a few negative things about him, why would you support him?
What I shared was that the Republican party may not win with Trump, and I laid out my reasoning in detail. And for those reasons, I felt the Republican party would have a better chance with someone new, like Desantis. I am very realistic. However, I have always stated I will be voting republican in 2024 and voting for Trump if he ran in the primaries. I have always supported MAGA and the America First agenda. I won't falter on that. I have always claimed I felt Trump did a great job as president, and even said I felt he was one of our best presidents.
No not negative thing in regard to his presidency or his job skills. I have shared I was not appreciative of many of the things he said. But never would I say he was not a good president.
I have the realization that Trump may split the party further, and this would not be what I would want to see. I guess at this point we will see what his running may do the party.
I will support him because of his job skills, he had America a place I was once again becoming very proud of. We had good unity in the Republican party. The country was on a good path, in my view. I felt safe and felt this strong man was bringing back an America I remembered fondly.
Hey, I hope he can pull out a win, I would love to see him back in the White House. I still say it will be an uphill fight, he may not be able to pull it off. The Democrats are so evil, and they won't let up. But I can hope Americans will at some point see the craziness of their ploys. I mean how many years can they say he has committed crimes with out any proof of a crime? Seems many should wake up to the fact they are being had...Sadly, I believe that Mr Trump had very few skills to be this country's president. He showed time and time again that he didn't understand basic government, geography or history.
His hateful, often racist rhetoric just served to alienate part of the country. That is not a good president. That is not an example of a person with morals or character. He politicized a pandemic and he promoted the big lie which lead to an angry riot. He tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power.
The centerpiece of his four years was a tax cut for the ultra wealthy. No policy to address crime, healthcare, prescription drug costs, immigration reform or bringing / keeping jobs in America or the dismal state of infrastructure in our country at the time. In my opinion, he goes down as one of the worst Presidents in history and recent polls show that upwards of 60% of Americans do not want to see him run again. His midterm candidates who fashioned themselves in his image were unpopular. Extremists were rejected. What makes anyone think the real thing will have success??
His announcement speech was lackluster and uninspiring. I think most Americans understand that inflation and the economy run on a cyclical pattern. 4 years is barely enough time for a president to make an appreciable difference. Mr Trump's first few years were on the coattails of Mr Obama. But Voters clearly made it known during this midterm that they are willing to wait out inflation and be uncomfortable rather than welcome Trumpism back. Democracy really was on the ballot this time and it did win. People are exhausted with hate and chaos and division. Not a good idea for any politician to keep trying to push it.Faye, I have heard this liberal litany time and time again in regard to Trump. So I will just say, no comment.
I felt his speech last night was a good one. he pointed out the current problems that he did claim Biden has caused, he did not get too nasty about Biden's cognitive state. He concentrated on his agenda, and hopes of becoming president once again.
In regard to Obama, He had no coattails, that's why it was so easy for a non-politician to win in 2016. Obama was a very poor president in my view, he did little to nothing but try to push left BS.
I don't think the midterms were really much different than 2020, almost split down the middle by Trump haters. Actually, once a Trump hater is always a Trump hater.
The hate is not about anything but Trump's agenda. The left hates his agenda as much as they hate Trump. Most on the left clearly hate all that is American, in my view.
I find the leftist mindset dangerous, and unAmerican.I think the only way we can determine the impact of a presidency is to look at what they did with their time in office. If they don't have policy or legislation to show for their tenure then how do you say they affected any change?
We can certainly go through presidents throughout history and tick off their legislative accomplishments, those are the things that made them great, mediocre or forgettable.
This isn't a liberal or conservative perspective, this is just common sense. I'm going to judge your presidency by its output. If you don't have any output you can't claim any success or change, you have no foundation to make that claim. And by you I mean the president.Not buying into this deflection. Trump certainly had a long list of accomplishments, too bad you did not note them as he racked them up.
Hint -- just have a look at what Biden tore down, that should give you a bit of what Trump accomplished. Plus, once you were willing to give Obama accolades I knew the conversation was better to walk away from.If you compare key economic indicators from Barack Obama’s second term in office to the first three years of Trump’s time (that is, before the pandemic hit), the data show a continuation of trends, not a dramatic shift. It suggests Trump didn’t build something new; rather he inherited a pretty good situation. Hey that's just the data. I don't need to or care to make it personal.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-t … d-n1237793Gosh, and you claim you are not a Democrat ---- You sure have their favorite lines down pat.
Not willing to go back that far... I live in the now, the current. I was discussing the current president, you just deflected back to Obama.I don't understand why you work so hard to peg people as one or the other? Blue or Red. Why does it matter? Why is it so important? That's why I feel it's so cultish to belong to a party. Far too many people need to figure out which side you're on so that they know if they should hate you or be friendly with you. That is played out very openly here on this forum. It's like a gang mentality.
I go where my sense and logic take me. And I was responding to this comment you made... "Plus, once you were willing to give Obama accolades I knew the conversation was better to walk away from.". My comment was that Mr Trump walked into a pretty good situation and I backed that up.I don't feel I am working hard to peg anyone. However, your comments are very revealing.
"I go where my sense and logic take me."
Well, I am sure you do. Your logic is very left-leaning, in my view.
" Far too many people need to figure out which side you're on so that they know if they should hate you or be friendly with you. That is played out very openly here on this forum. It's like a gang mentality."
I don't think this is accurate. Most here are open and straightforward with what they feel about any given situation. I think some that lean left is just not at all open to anyone disagreeing with their thoughts.
If you note, most Conservatives here, although will come back at one, they step away from conversations after they have made their point. I don't think anyone here is unfriendly.
Naturally, we all have disagreements, but I don't feel we are deciphering who to befriend.
I think after posting here, I have come to appreciate the others that share the forum and gotten to know them a bit. The users here, have many diverse personalities, and it should be expected due to that, we will have disagreements. But, in the end, most don't make it personal.
Do we have a gang mentality? No more than when one has a discussion at a kitchen table. Do not ideologies clash as a rule? Must one back off their beliefs because another just can't find the ability to accept the beliefs of the other?
What's left of the users here are people that have strong beliefs, on both sides. None needs to compromise their views to please another. Unless of course, they want to.
+10000000000. Obama was the epitome of a snake oil man.
What is the "leftist mindset"? What percentage of people do you think this actually applies to and how do you know?? Are all Democrats leftist? How did they get this way, all of them at once? And in lockstep? This kind of thinking is just baffling
TDS is leftist mindset. Progressivism is leftist mindset. Gov over God is leftist mindset.
Mocking the U S Constitution,
disgracing our Founding Fathers, discrediting our fight for freedom/Independence; referring to our Republic as a Democracy, turning an Election Day into an Election Season, devaluing life, making a mockery of the fact there are but two sexes, making a mockery of womanhood, making a mockery of motherhood, choosing indoctrination over education of America's children, climate crisis b.s....leftist mindset ALL!
I can go on?!
I agree that this mindset is baffling!I appreciate the detailed response. Do you see differences in the views held by those who call themselves Democrats? Or do you believe that the positions you listed are held pretty much across the board by members of the party ( both elected and citizens)? I often see users on this forum and others who use general labels like "leftist" to describe a large group and always wonder if you believe the group is really that homogeneous?
What is wrong with a leftist mindset as opposed to a Rightwing mindset?
I want an secular government as the compromise between having to worship your God as opposed to worshipping my own.
How is the Constitution being mocked by the Left? Who is discrediting the Founding Fathers, they were men and not Gods unto themselves.
We have a representative democracy, "democracy is where the people rule". What is it about a republic that contradicts that?
It is only Republicans that are taking Election Day and turning it into a circus denying their losses in a fair contest.
No one is attacking motherhood and womanhood, except for the fact that everyone is entitled to a choice whether to embrace these concepts or not. The career women is the primary reason that the GOP red wave turned out to be a dribble.
Telling the truth about American history without sugarcoating unpleasant realities is not indoctrination.
The Earth's resources are not infinite and open to endless abuse, taking that into consideration and not fouling ones own nest seems the prudent course for me.
Quite a litany on your part but the mindset of your side is just as baffling from our side.Both sides push issues I do not like or agree with.
It really does put me in a bind when considering where my vote goes at the Federal level (At the State level and lower it will ALWAYS go to Republicans because I am ALL about economic impact and you CANNOT trust Democrats with your money).
Unfortunately, today, even at the Federal level, Democrats support insanity that I cannot support:
Men competing with women in sports, being allowed in their showers and bathrooms, because they claim they are a woman.
Supporting "choose your gender today" philosophies, supporting child sex change procedures (and yes Biden has said he supports this).
Increasing social welfare and supports, this comes at the expense of higher deficits (printing money) which in turn creates inflation. For every person that gets a dollar that they didn't have to earn, that dilutes the value of the dollar that someone else had to work for.
Equity... I despise the concept and any political party that supports it.
Currently there are things I have to give some credit to the Democrats for doing... much of the Infrastructure Bill I like.
If Biden keeps us out of WWIII, which I believe many in DC want, that will definitely be a big plus in his favor. I don't hold out hope for that, however.
If Biden's Administration can keep the economy from tanking and move it in a positive direction, which will take bettering relations with OPEC, China, Energy Companies, etc. right now, Biden has motivated them all to work against America.
2024... I can only hope it isn't Trump vs. Biden, especially if the economy worsens.Fair points, Ken, let's have a look at them
I don't trust Republicans who are just as profligate with money, it just tends to go in directly that I am less supportive of...
The gender stuff is one of the rare areas that I take issue regarding and that has never really made any sense.
I say people should work for their bread, but I also support equal opportunity (not equity) at every level with rewards in society given to those that apply themselves on merit based principles, not based on privilege or preference, for that matter. That is not always possible from a practical basis but it should be an ongoing goal, that upward social mobility is possible for us all.
We all want to stay out of war and it is highwire act to balance our international commitments against taunting the Russian bear.
I don't place blame on Biden for every adverse economic situation affecting us today. For example, OPEC has its own agenda and much of it could very well be supporting Putin against the West. These entities have their motivations, and blaming Biden could well be an excuse.At the State level there is a vast difference.
At the Federal level, I agree with you.
I like Florida just the way it is... low property taxes, no State Income Tax.
If you like those things, then you should never vote for Democrats at the State level.
Oh I definitely blame Biden for our deep entanglement in Ukraine and putting us on the verge of WWIII.
If he does an about face, and gets us out of this fiasco, without escalating the war, I will be surprised.
In this Biden is no better than Cheney & Bush, the amount of Billions, if not Trillions, that is being laundered through this conflict, and the amounts being forked over to government contractors, would likely surprise even the most cynical conspiracy theorist.
The key difference being... Iraq never had WMDs ... Russia does, lots.
I disagree, it is the President that needs to ensure that the Nation's allies stay allies.
From Bush to Obama to Trump, no matter what you think of them, they were able to maintain positive relations with Saudi Arabia, which has always been a critical and needed ally to maintain the Petro-Dollar and by extension the necessity of the Dollar to remain the World's Reserve.
The American economy tanks if the world, even part of it (IE BRICS) breaks free from the need to transact in U.S. Dollars.
It is the President's job to ensure OPEC or Saudi Arabia see it in their best interests to support America, and it seems Biden has failed in this badly, where his predecessors did not.What makes you think that Democrats are going to ruin our little paradise? Have you notice rising costs of real estate, inflation or no inflation? Free market, supply and demand, the linchpin of conservatives, will do to Florida what is has done to every area experiencing great population growth. There are many states without income tax and low property taxes that are not run by Republicans.
I don't see how there was any alternative to how Biden addressed the crisis, right now, no one is sprouting mushrooms. Being anti Biden in principle you are just creating a no-win scenario for him.
Big money is always involved, whether it is Biden or Trump and the Republicans, I still do not see how it could have handled any better by the people you put on a pedestal.
Situations change Ken, for you to say that the circumstances faced by Obama and Trump are the same as they are today is a red herring in itself. In example, The electorate obviously did not blame Biden for the inflation that has affected most other Western economies.
I respect the obvious depth of your research, but OPEC is an independent entity and perhaps if the challenges face by Biden today were faced by Trump or Obam, yesterday, they would have had no choice but to live with the same outcome."There are many states without income tax and low property taxes that are not run by Republicans."
Which ones would that be? I would expect at least a half dozen to meet that "many" you reference...Well, damn Wilderness. Just when I find an entry point, you beat me to it.
It looks like Cred's "many" is one—Washington state.
GAOk, I got ahead of myself, there are a handful of states with no state income tax, but Washington state is the only one that can be said to not be Republican run. I stand corrected, this time.....
LOL Accepted.
But I think you're still wrong. Of the 8 states without an income tax, South Dakota, Washington and Nevada are all blue.
I can't speak to their property tax rates, but I do know that Washington is a troubled state, hardly fit to live in unless you're out in the Eastern, red, section.South Dakota is definitely not Democrat, they have a veritable bitch of a Governor there. Nevada has been on the cusp but is coming down on the blue side.
I think that the Western side, Seattle, Tacoma, Olympia is by far the most inhabitable, and fits my style and if it weren't for the Missus' attitudes about snow and ice, it would be on my bucket list as a place to live.Those towns in Washington get little to no snow and ice - they're too close to the sea. And they ARE nice places to live...if you prefer rents in the stratosphere, crime above that, homeless people everywhere you walk and taxes to empty the wallet of Gates. You can even have the lawlessness and anarchy of CHAZ if you like.
But it is blue if you hanker for those things above.Also, its not constantly sunny. I can't stand intermittent sunshine.
The clouds come and go as they darn well please, never quite departing ... ever.Now, now. I spent 3 days there a few years ago and it never rained at all. Beautiful sunshine.
I understand it was the first 3 straight days in 157 years, but it DID happen!
Oddly enough, I crave blue regions, but am not keen on urban life. A hour to 2 hour drive from a major metropolis is close enough for me. I was thinking about Port Angeles and places in the less populated west side of Puget Sound. Being outside the areas where there is competition for everything, I prefer areas where demand is usually less than supply. Being retired, I am not concerned about a need to live where one can be gainfully employed.
I have to correct you, while the area does not have the snowfall one would find east of the Cascades or in the continental areas of the country, my sister lives in Tacoma. She tells me and I have seen first hand that it can get cold enough where there is snow and ice. I was there in a winter season when all traffic was halted because Seattle has quite a few hilly roads and accidents regarding slips on the ice were to be avoided.Oh, the area gets snow; Seattle averages 5" per year.
I just don't see that as very much, and it doesn't last when it does come down.
But snow or not, it would not be on my list because of rain. Rain, rain, rain. While I enjoy a rain in Boise, it's because we don't get it every day. Or every week or even month.
But you want the blue but not the metro? You like the liberal ideas that sound so wonderful and kindly, but you don't like the result of them. A problem, I think, for most liberals; it all sounds like utopia, but it turns out to be Hell. And they keep doing the same things, expecting a utopia and getting more Hell.shhh ... don't tell them; they don't know!
It is a wet, rainy area. But having more interest in indoor sports over outdoor ones, that is one disadvantage I won't miss.
I am sustained and comforted by a protective blue canopy that extends beyond the immediate urban areas. Just as one would appreciate our atmosphere here on earth.
I get my cake and eat it too, why not? So, I can have the "blue" without the metro. Just because I like a little space and don't want to live among the maddening crowd, you can't assign that to be contrary to liberal values. The world of Mayberry and Petticoat Junction has it place, but that place is diminishing due to inevitable population growth, etc. While it may well involve the time that it would take for erosion to the wear down a mountain, your precious Boise and the remainder of Texas cannot avert the "blue flu" indefinitely. That is the direction in which we are moving.
Is it possible to prefer a exo-urban rural environment and still be a progressive liberal and live in an area controlled by Democrats? Yes, New Mexico and Vermont are examples.
You conservatives types are mere sugar ants trying to stop a fright train. Progress is associated with values heralded on the left, I thought that you knew That?
Urban areas are not hell, but places where people can gather, obtain gainful employment. While you guys pick up potatoes, the cities contain the Silicon Valley's and industrial foundations to produce the finished products some of those being the hoes and wheelbarrows you need to pick up those potatoes.Whether we follow the course of Venezuela's collapse recently, or a more diabolical course, like Stalinism or Nazism, you can see this separatism of classes, the divide between the rich and the rejected, in California most pointedly today.
The realities of the people who work at Silicon Valley, compared to the equal amount of thousands of homeless that surround those regions is the ideal example of the direction this nation is taking.
It is DC politicians vs. the 99%.
It is corporate giants offshoring their trillions of dollars and not paying taxes to support the system from which they are stealing trillions by buying off the politicians... Red and Blue... to ensure they can continue to enrich themselves and give nothing back in return.
I see this was bantered about a bit, I side with Gus' conclusion.
Washington is the only state that does not have Income Tax, that I would consider a Progressive Democrat State, a surprise for sure.
South Dakota and Nevada are Purple states, or "old school" Democrat not Progressive in the way CA, WA, and NY are.
Oh please, you know very well that the warmongerers in DC, and Biden, fully supported, if not pushed for, Zelensky's antics and efforts to retake Crimea.
Don't make me go over the whole history of how this conflict was reignited by Zelensky and Biden.
During Trump's four years, he wanted nothing to do with war, it would have been all too easy for him to pick up where the Obama Administration left off and escalate matters in Ukraine.
Trump's election and his decisions as CIC, helped fizzle out the conflict in Syria, stalled the Ukraine war, and got North Korea to settle down for the duration of his Administration.
Biden is the reason why this conflict reignited and continues now. Trust me, if he and those in DC that want this war to rage on wanted it stopped instead, they would have Zelensky at the negotiating table taking whatever Russia offered. That's the reality, anything else you hear is BS.
This too, is all Biden's fault.
When Obama was elected one of the first trips he made was to Saudi Arabia to give his respects to King Abdullah.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way … ullah.html
When Trump was elected the very first foreign visit he made was to Saudi Arabia.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/why-tru … eign-visit
All Biden has done is snub, insult and threaten Saudi Arabia.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/17/bidens- … rning.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/12/biden-t … c-cut.html
https://www.dailywire.com/news/saudi-ar … from-biden
Credence you want to believe I dislike Biden because he is a Democrat.
This allows you to dismiss all the points I make against the man that is the worst President we have had in over 30 years, as far as how harmful his actions and decisions have been for our Nation's future.
You have to go back to Carter or Nixxon, depending on your biases, to find a President that would negatively impact America and Americans with their foreign, military, and economical decisions as badly as Biden has.
And may I remind you, my opinion of Biden was that he was corrupt as anyone in DC and was unfit to be President. I came to that conclusion before he was nominated. His actions as President have only proven my concerns correct, at least to me.Trust me, Ken, South Dakota is not a liberal bastion..
Nevada, after Washington is a distant second, all the other states are as red as crimson.
So, now it's not Donald Trump but Don Quiote, that he was the brilliant diplomat that kept are these international trouble spots at bay? I doubt it and I continue to disagree.
So, the powers that be can direct Zelensky to agree to an annexation of part of his country, why would he do that? That is capitulation to Moscow and its designs for the region.
I don't see you referring to any democrat in a positive way since JFK and all conservatives always say that was the last Democrat that they could relate to. Your perspective is just that, unfortunately. I will only be convinced when the entire universe comes crashing down because Biden is President.
I don't dismiss your point, I am listening but simply disagree in your assessment of matters. To a certain extent most politicians are corrupt Biden no more than others. Trump was definitely not an exception. I had my preference during the primaries and Biden was not on the list because I saw him as compromising milquetoast in the face of an ever more strident, dangerous and troublesome political Right.
We will have to agree to disagree on this one...You miss the point, Biden has done irreparable harm to America.
The reason why I pointed out what Obama and Trump did in regards to Saudi Arabia is because our economy does not continue to sustain without Saudi support.
Biden is both corrupt and highly damaging to our nation in ways no other President has been since Carter or Nixon (take your pick).
On just one issue, disrespecting and dismissing the Saudis, he has practically doomed our nation. Hence why I focused my attention on this huge blunder, out of the many disastrous blunders he (the Biden Administration) has made.
Saudi Arabia's partnership with China will Collapse the US Economy.
Saudi Arabia just reiterated its commitment to China as its "most reliable partner and supplier of crude oil".
They will trade in the Chinese Yuan, not the US Dollar.
This signals the end of the Dollar, the Petro Dollar, as the world's reserve. It signals the collapse of the American economy is soon to come.
And this most assuredly is on Biden.
No, not all Democrats are leftists. I have no idea how many in the party are far left. I feel it was very easy to glean leftist ideologies. Simple minds are led by the crowd mentality, the crowd these days is led by the media and politicians. Actually, it was not hard to create this type. I mean throughout history we have had many with the mindset to buy into groupthink... Think of follower power, pet rocks... adoration of celebrities...
Groupthink is a very easy place to be comfortable for some in our society. You see in today's society it's hard to be a true freethinker. Just much cozier to blend in with a group. This is why we are seeing such a divide, conservatives, just do not blend with those that are deep into groupthink.
Our characters, personalities, or the way we think are so very different
then those that are comfortable with a group mentality.
And ya can fight like hell, and question up the waszoo, but in the end, conservatives and leftists are so very different."Our characters, personalities, or the way we think are so very different
then those that are comfortable with a group mentality. "
Doesn't this just sort of sound like one group thinks they are somehow different or potentially better than another group? but in the end you're both still groups! You are both subscribing to a group. But also you're saying that the members of your group have similar personalities and characters?
Yes there are some differences between groups/parties but I also think that there is overlap and room for consensus. It seems like far too many though get hooked on the division part and having to continually separate themselves out rather than finding that common ground. I'm not sure that anyone who considers themselves a member of a party is a freethinker.
I think every last politician should have to work for every last vote. Party votes are just gimmies. The founders never intended the development of parties but I suppose it was inevitable. Government has strayed many many miles from its original charter.
And I would probably lean left many times but that certainly doesn't mean I'm not open to vote for either party at any point depending on the candidate. I actually think that there could be the perfect blend of the two. Why not?Yes, there is always room for consensus if it can be found in the current political climate.
Just because I support the major tenets of one party over the other does not mean I don't think independently. There can be no consensus when one party tries to steal my government and my vote from me. And you can bet that the conclusions I have come to regarding these matters are based on years of experience and observation.
We all have our preferences, but being a "leftist", progressive and Marxist, I am going to have a different take on things and want it reflected in our politicians and the nation's governance.
I abhor the political right and I have no need to shroud that in any way."Doesn't this just sort of sound like one group thinks they are somehow different or than another group?"
Let me clarify. ---- It to me is obvious that one can definitely call a political party a group. Being a group under one umbrella does not dictate the different personalities and Ideologies as a rule.
My point Conservatives and Leftists share opposite mindsets. Leftest, in my view, does practice groupthink. One that steps out of the left's box of ideologies, is ostracized.
Conservatives do not appreciate groupthink and tend to be
individualist. They value being individualist, with little oversite from their peers or Government. Hence -- I stepped out of my political group and voted for Obama... I did not even consider what my republican peers thought of my choice. I considered my thoughts only, not my political party ideology. I could care less about political peer pressure. I used my own judgment. I consider myself a Republican due to what they represent. So yes political parties in my view have similar personalities and characters.
" But also you're saying that the members of your group have similar personalities and characters? "
Gosh yes, just look at the abortion issues, these issues rely on one's values and morals. It is clear more Republicans are pro-life. Due to their set of values.
Republicans appreciate less Government, the need to have fewer social programs, and the need for a closed border. One can blatantly see the differences in how Democrats feel differently than Republicans. Our characters and our beliefs are once again different. No, not all, but conservatives in a majority adopt all of the above.
So I feel yes, one's political party holds a resemblance of their ideals, and values and the peers share many characteristics.
We agree all politicians should work for votes. And all voters should open up to research who they vote for.
" I actually think that there could be the perfect blend of the two. Why not?"
I don't think as human beings we could ever come to a perfect blend. If we did, it would seem we would not be individual thinkers.
I am not the farthest left but I am definitely left of center, finding Biden and Harris to my right, politically.
You really believe that those on the Right are independent thinkers and are not being led by their own manufactured political demons?
That is not what I see.
I resist the anti-democratic and authoritarian, does that make me a group thinker?truth --- I don't find you one that I could describe as a group thinker. I think you have grasped onto a party that fills some of what you believe in. I don't think you buy the entire ball of wax.
I do feel Conservatives and liberals have very different mindsets, and how they come to their views. I think this all comes down to mostly one's upbringing, and life experience. Do we not form values, and character over a lifetime? Are we not individuals when it comes to both
mentioned? I feel one growing up in a conservative home, most likely will learn conservative values, and Conservatives encourage self-reliance, work for goals, and value freedoms unfettered.
Yes, you clearly resist anti-democratic and authoritarianism. But, do you feel you can say the majority of liberals feel this way? We have been witnessing a Democratic party that seems to have no problem stepping a bit on the constitution, and during COVID we saw pure authoritarianism coming out of this administration, in my view. Yes, there were some very good decisions on mitigation, but some were uncalled for, and clearly, one felt very dictated to by the Government and actually punished by loss of their livelihood."truth --- I don't find you one that I could describe as a group thinker. I think you have grasped onto a party that fills some of what you believe in. I don't think you buy the entire ball of wax."
You're a smart cookie, that is exactly where I am. But the things that I don't buy are fewer than that that I don't buy from conservatives or Republicans.
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Black families during my childhood were usually socially conservative and more liberal politically and from an economic standpoint, as the eternal underdog. Race "colors" much of why we are different when otherwise our backgrounds may be similar. That is just the straight skinny.
I think we all panicked over a pandemic that was responsible for high body counts. There has to be a balance between individual rights regarding public thoroughfare and public safety and neither one could be completely ignored. It would have been irresponsible for either side to ignore this."Black families during my childhood were usually socially conservative and more liberal politically and from an economic standpoint, as the eternal underdog. Race "colors" much of why we are different when otherwise our backgrounds may be similar. That is just the straight skinny."
This hits the mark. I feel our life experience is what ultimately puts us on our political paths, and leaves us with the ideologies we carry around throughout our lives. Of course, then one learns along the way and can become open to others' ideologies if they are not too foreign in nature.
"I think we all panicked over a pandemic that was responsible for high body counts. There has to be a balance between individual rights regarding public thoroughfare and public safety and neither one could be completely ignored. It would have been irresponsible for either side to ignore this."
Agree, better education on how to stay safe, such as practicing distancing, and being instructed on how a mask can work, and what can make it more dangerous would have helped. It's all in how one takes it off.
I think we have come to understand one another, and I have learned many things from our conversations.
Wasn't the reaction to covid greatly varied between states and their governments? My state did not shut down in any meaningful way. There really wasn't much loss of livelihood at all. You could still get a pizza that someone coughed and spit all over making it. I suppose we were winning.
I can't help get the feeling when I read what you're saying that you view Republicans and Democrats almost as different species.No, it was not, Biden's executive order mandating federal employees to receive COVID vaccinations. Biden announced in September 2021 that more than 3.5 million federal workers were required to get the vaccine or lose their jobs. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-lab … lifts-hold
Not a different species, just different political views, due to different mindsets. I do believe, liberals as well as conservatives (not all) much of the time look at things differently due to conflicting ideologies. Especially when it comes to politics.
"No, not all Democrats are leftists"
I think it is more correct to say not all people who vote for Democrats are leftists. Some of them are just fooled by commercials and make the mistake of choosing big government. All Democrats are leftists, though, just like Republicans are all conservatives. They may disagree with how to get things done, but still support conservative values (family, etc.) If they did not support conservative values they would be leftists.
Hey, if Trump is up for the fight, so am I. It will be an uphill battle. The Democratic party needs to realize we don't want what they are dishing up.
Amen. I don't know that I will support Trump, it is so early, but I do know, without a shadow of a doubt, I don't want a single morsel of anything the Dems are "dishing up".
... building up vs tearing down:
It's a simple matter, in all actuality.... of all the presidents, who would be the best one to return to earth about now?
Who could help us the most?
For instance, could R. Reagan help us?
What would Reagan do?
Yes, I agree Kathryn.
To answer the question initially posed, Sharlee, I am not sure what Trump will or will not announce tonight.
But, one thing is for sure, those who are anti-"success oriented" and have tirelessly worked to keep him unsuccessful, seeking to destroy him...and this Country in the process, if necessary, have to have a Boogeyman to point at/to blame.
An alternate to their having to look in the mirror at their constant failures, which have done such harm to this Country and Trump is it, their Boogeyman.
Too bad he couldn't have been left alone, to lead, as Presidents are supposed to do, as he was doing very well!!
Who knows what happens next, too bad these stupid political games get played and too bad people obsess over the wrong things.
Guess we'll have to stay tuned.What policies would make the people the happiest? Do we really want a crime ridden, illegal alien ridden, poor, destitute and homeless ridden nation? Do we really want to shoot ourselves in our feet by over-taxing and regulating business owners, land owners, heirs/ heiresses and profit makers? We really want to hinder free transportation and easy (healthy) cooking by causing the extinction of gas fueled cars and gas utilizing kitchens/homes?
After Trump announces he will be running for President, he should be ready for the fight of his life, and us too.
Are you ready to fight AB?
(By fight, I mean talk until we are blue in the face to anyone and everyone we meet, (who engages in political conversation and has an ear to hear,) regarding what makes SENSE!
No more Ms./Mr. Mouse, I say."Too bad he couldn't have been left alone, to lead, as Presidents are supposed to do, as he was doing very well!!
Who knows what happens next, too bad these stupid political games get played and too bad people obsess over the wrong things.
Guess we'll have to stay tuned." abwilliams
Exactly right.Who else but Trump could put up with the ruthless moves of the Deep State, Left / Right? If only Democrats and Republicans could recognize their common enemy.
If there is anyone (else) who could tackle the Deep State(s), and bring us to our true destiny, come on in.
Great speech by President Trump tonight. Not over done, not under done; done right, with the right amount of seasoning. IMHO
So the fireworks begin. It will be a slugfest between Trump and DeSantis and probably, Mike Pense.
The resulting confusion and disunity will be the Democrats' triumph.From the 'peanut gallery' , I think Pres. Trump's announcement will almost seal a Democrat winner in 2024. Just as you describe.
No candidate or party can win with only party support. I don't think candidate Trump will have that—with the voters of the party. Even if he has the base to force 'official' party support, the damage he will do on that path will lose any chance of getting any moderates of any affiliation.
GAI don't know, too soon to tell, but I do agree with Cred, there will be "Fireworks" on the Republican side. As opposed to yet another season of 'The Walking Dead". Wherever the Dem horde wanders, there is death and there is destruction.
Welcome back,
If I recall, a couple of months ago you predicted that the bread and butter issues would dominate the voters preferences for Republican candidates.
This has been an unprecedented Midterm session. Obviously, the outcome revealed that there were issues on the minds of voters that superceded issues regarding inflation and rising gas prices. Did the Republicans get the message, have they learned anything? I doubt it.
In his "selflessness", Trump will rip the Republican Party to shreds.
The Republicans in the Senate need to invite Trump to a Roman Toga party and do the equivalent of a Julius Caesar number on him. Et tu, Lindsey? It may prove the only sure fire method of getting this guy out of the way.
So, rather than trying to relegate him as insignificant, he is front and center in American politics at his own choosing.Well, when the democrats cheat like hell in th medterms like they did in 2020 no amount of Republican votes is going to do any good
And the evidence of this is where???
Always the reliable excuse whenever you lose, eh Kc?
That dog doesn't hunt and the GOP staying on this perilous course will join the Whigs in extinction.....
From the announcement:
“I’ve gone decades, decades without a war, the first president to do it for a long period,”
Mr Trump and his supporters don't understand how long a decade is??I mean, you invited this comparison. I have never seen you reply to anything negative in regard to Biden. Very telling.
Mr. Biden, as a rule, does not even know what state or even continent he is on, or which way to walk off a stage or to stay out of bushes to get to the White House entrance... Just today he froze up before a press conference started, leaving dignitaries confused, and actually laughing. Need I go on?
Trump gave a good heartfelt speech last night, in my view. We saw no angry red deer in the headlight's face, no clinging of fists, and out and out yelling at an audience. Trump was very much clear and incisive throughout the speech and shared not only his view of where the country is currently, but what it should be, and could be again.
The misuse of the word decade was a gaffe, in my view.
Just this week --
"In Latest Gaffe, Joe Biden Thanks Colombia Instead Of Cambodia For Hosting ASEAN Summit"
A Bottomless Pinocchio for Biden — and other recent -- https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … nt-gaffes/Biden couldn't find his ass if he had both hands stuffed inside his back pockets.
Maybe you could elaborate and enumerate the policies put into effect by Mr Trump that you appreciated most
People like you always flip it to the other side. My comment is related to biden. You want to flip it to Trump. Always flip it to the other side. It's not like you'r blind to biden's policies that ruining this country. Or is it you don't care? Just a question.
I don't find that the infrastructure act or the chips act, gun legislation, a veterans bill and the inflation reduction act to be ruining the country. I would just like you to point to the legislation passed during Mr Trump's administration that you felt benefited the country in a positive way?
And what about the border where 5 milion illegals aliens crossing in the past two years, gas prises sky high because of biden's policies "no oil" . CRT, transgender taught in schools to young children and into are military along with "Woke" BS.. Liberal media cencor so called " misinformation and disinformation" of speech of conservatives. These are policies embraced by Democrats and the WH. All of these are one hell of a problem. Not to mention the ones you listed. All of this is ruining our country.
I would guess you don't find these to be a problem either.
When Trump wins in 2024, he'll put a stop to all of this BSP.S. Everything Trump did was positive for our country.
Oh yes, trying to overthrow the votes of the people, very positive! Fake electors? Pressuring Mr Pence to reject the results??? Okay, I understand that some in this country are more comfortable with an authoritarian type of government but we are still a democracy.
No, I absolutely do not find CRT to be an issue as it is a law school construct taught to law students. You clearly don't understand what CRT is. No one is teaching children to be transgender in schools either, that is just so ridiculous. I really think that that is the reason that young people came out and droves to vote because they are closest to understanding that all of this is such nonsense. You're buying into a whole lot of scaremongering but that's your prerogative. As long as your politicians keep your head filled with nonsense then you won't notice that they aren't really doing anything meaningful
yes, deflecting is very common, and asking for the list of Trump's accomplishments is a biggie deflection. The list is long, and if someone did not appreciate what he accomplished (which is many) as he did it --- there is no way they will see them now. I at times just pull put the list copy and paste it. But why bother?
Just his legislation though. Legislation is the only way to judge the impact of a president otherwise they are just a recipient of the times and the current cycles
That would be your view. I know you feel all should share your view. However, I don't respect legislation being the only way to judge a president.
How else can you judge them? There has to be some means. There has to be some quantitative aspect of their time and office in which to gauge their success or not. If not much legislation has come out of a president's term then how can they be deemed successful? You have no way to draw any line between their success and something they actually did otherwise I suppose it could just be a coincidence. If a president presides over a great economy but has never enacted any legislation regarding that economy then how does he take credit for that economy??
I judge presidents by how they solve current problems, and how their policies affect me in my everyday life. I don't care for any Government overreach. I like to feel the president is a strong leader and can handle foreign affairs. I like a leader that is transparent and does not need to be scripted but shares his views.
Taking away a constitutional right to choose and putting it in the hands of the government is the ultimate in overreach. What other area of privacy or morality will they go after next? Birth control? Ivf? Gay marriage? I think they are all ripe for the picking.
Do you disagree that one of the primary and most important jobs of government is to protect us from friends, neighbors, family and strangers that would do us harm, including kill us?
Or is govt. sticking it's nose where it does not belong with cops, military, national guard, etc.?Then it follows that it is not an over reach to protect people from those that would murder them. Including infants, right?
If we want to go as far as protecting life or the very essence of life then you would have to outlaw IVF and birth control. Where do we draw the line? Are you willing to go that far?
Brain death is legal death. Should complete brain functioning equal life?
I judge Presidents the same way and we come to contradictory opinions as too who is a great leader and who not so.
What ever happened to the idea that we accept the winners from November 8th as reflecting the will of the people?
Who was it that said that we were all putting too emphasis on Trump as someone of the past?
I care when abuses continue and the government is not involved enough."What ever happened to the idea that we accept the winners from November 8th as reflecting the will of the people?"
I can only share my feelings --- I accepted the election outcome immediately. I also felt a Congressional investigation would have helped us all move on. perhaps have prevented such a split. But, I did accept the election results. I am a true believer in the majority, and the voices were heard in 2020.
"Who was it that said that we were all emphasizing Trump as someone of the past?"
That would be me... I still feel if we would have moved on, we could have saved ourselves the increase in the division in the country. It was the left that gave Trump oxygen and kept a stream of pure hate streaming. All the investigations, in my view, yes kept hate alive, but also made them look ridiculous in the end, to some that were watching. Most bought in and loved the feed they were being fed.
But what have we ended up with? A split nation, hate to abound like no other time, but perhaps the Civil war.
The Government certainly should always pursue investigations, and that goes for any and all, including Biden and his son. But, one needs evidence of a crime before just setting out to condemn. Otherwise, we see law enforcement much like China.
It is very obvious to me, the DOJ and FBI have been somewhat compromised by the Democrats. I am not good with that. Or am I willing to put up with that? So, if you truely care about Government being involved, I assume you have followed all of the Hunter Biden accusations, and what Congress has uncovered in regard to 150 Bank flagged transactions from foreign countries, and you will not have a problem with Congress in Jan opening hearings on Hunter, and ultimately Joe Biden? I will assume you feel this would be acceptable. There is clear documentation of his dealings and firsthand witnesses to his business dealings. So, it would appear he truely needs to be investigated, the witnesses heard under oath, and the documents explained.
Trump at this point is in the spotlight, he has committed to running in 2024. So, I think at this point he is current, and all can continue to rehash the old, as well as the new.
The New York Posts reaction to Mr Trump's announcement...
"Florida man makes announcement see page 26"
WowI believe that the Progressive Left (PL) which doesn't include all Democrats, for many lifelong Dems are just that, they aren't necessarily on board with where the P.L. has taken them, taken US. I digress...
The P.L. has done more damage to this Republic than any other {*movement} for lack of a better or kinder word, than any other, in our history!
What began in Marxism long ago, made its way into our colleges, our media, Government leadership and inevitably, into the minds of the citizenry of this country!
We've only begun to see the widespread damage which has been done as a result.
If we don't get back to our roots; meaning embracing OUR freedom, independence, entrepreneurial spirit, can-do attitude, all those positive things which once set us apart...we are doomed!
This is what I think, this is my mindset.+100000000000, they AREN'T progressive. Progressive means for the better. They are just plain LEFTISTS.
Thanks Grace. I look at Progress and Progressives, quite differently. Progress is good, of course it is good, it got us to the moon, will get us to Mars, it got us the Internet {oh boy.....
) Whereas, Progressivism is the speed at which LEFTISTS are getting us there - as in, doing irreparable harm, weakening us, destroying us...
I wrote an article about this long ago, which I should probably update!I'm just glad that we are acknowledging differences within parties. I dislike the idea of party as much as the founders did. I think it's helpful at least to move away from the idea that they are monolithic and that the Democrats have a progressive wing and the Republicans have their freedom caucus. Both of which differ in view from others of their respective parties. In the broader scheme of things I just think we're losing the sense of individuality in this country. Politics and its politicians actually discourage it. I tend to believe that the best ideas and potential for real change comes from outside of the box.
"We're losing the sense of individuality in this country. Politics and its politicians actually discourage it."
On this point, we can agree Faye.
A weakened mass is more controllable than millions of strong-willed individuals.Vaccine mandates must comply with federal anti-discrimination laws enforced by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. An employee with a religious objection or disability needs to be accommodated. An easy out for those who want to pretend they have a religious objection or maybe they actually do.
There was always an out for these people if they objected. Which is 100% okay with me. Make your own decision if you want a vaccine. Make your own decision if you think you need an abortion. Make your own decision if you want to attend a school that has a transgender swimmer. Make your own decision if you want to go to Disney world. Make your own decision if you want your child to Read To Kill a Mockingbird or not. Make your own decision if you want to let your children know that slaves weren't brought here for job opportunities. Yes, let's make all of our own decisions. Government has no business in any of this. The government never has had the availability to force a vaccine upon you and hopefully it never will.I was just using the COVID vaccine mandate to point out to Cred that the Democratic Government has exhibited authoritarianism, and with the EO to mandate the vaccine they overstepped the Constitution. I know this was disputed greatly by the Biden administration, yet many did feel he overstepped his authority.
"religious objection or disability" What if a person just did not want to put a vaccine in their body?
" The government never has had the availability to force a vaccine upon you and hopefully it never will"
If one wanted to keep their job they certainly were forced to take the vaccine or be out of work. No there was no way out for Federal employees that just did not want to take the vaccine. To lie and say it was about religion or anything else, you feel this is fair?Parents opt their children out of vaccines all the time and have for years based on false religious objections. It's there as an out. It has been throughout time. It's not like any proof has ever been demanded. I don't know, who started the religious objection out? All I know is that government really isn't going to force people to do anything they don't want to do. Even when we had some minor covid restrictions here, people didn't abide by them whatsoever. There were absolutely no repercussions for that either.
I understand what you are saying. But, as I said, what if one just does not want to put a vaccine in their body? The government did force all Federal employees to be vaccinated.
https://www.saferfederalworkforce.gov/f … 20working.
"A: Yes. To protect the health and safety of the Federal workforce and to promote the efficiency of the civil service, all Federal employees covered by Executive Order 14043 and without a legally required exception need to be fully vaccinated by November 22, 2021, regardless of where they are working."
I traveled frequently during COVID there was a requirement for me to be vaccinated with all three injections to return to the US. The airlines would not let one board without proof of vaccination, and a negative COVIS test hours before getting on a plane.
"COVID Vaccine Requirement Effective November 8, 2021
Under Presidential Proclamation 10294 of October 25, 2021, Advancing the Safe Resumption of Global Travel During the COVID-19 Pandemic, effective November 8, 2021, "noncitizens who are nonimmigrants" traveling to the United States by air from any part of the world must establish that they are fully vaccinated, with some limited exceptions.
All air travelers will also continue to have to show results of a negative pre-flight coronavirus test prior to boarding an aircraft in a foreign country destined to the United States, in addition to proof of vaccination. "
The migrants walking across our border were not required to be vaccinated but were offered the vaccine. They had the choice.
I did not have a choice ... If I wanted to live my life and travel. I had to abide by Biden's mandate - be vaccinated, and tested before returning home to the US. This is Government overreach... And made little sense when thousands of migrants were not being mandated to be vaccinated to enter the US at the border. So, no Faye, there was absolutely no choice, zero. Unless I were to lie.
A day after the Republicans take a slim majority in the house and what do we hear from them today? Hunter Biden.
What happened to the border? The economy? Inflation? The grand plans?
All I can say is a better get walking and chewing gum at the same time pretty darn quick. Unless Hunter Biden is going to make my milk prices come down they better
Get to damn to work. Now.Perhaps they will multitask. It would seem the Biden DOJ should have handled the problem of Hunter Biden long before now. These accusations have been around since 2020. The FBI has had an open investigation on him for now over two years.
It would seem the new Congress wants now to go after Joe, and his brother. It's no surprise that they want to impeach Joe.
There certainly is a huge money trail and other documents are being looked at. There is also Hunter's actual business partner that has stepped up with first-hand information.
I think I will wait to discuss Hunter's problems after seeing evidence that the congressional committee will provide in hearings. I did add a thread sometime back here I was trying to post articles that chronicled Hunter's problems. I must admit there are certainly a lot of accusations that have been levied.
No, a Hunter investigation will not help with inflation. It might help to ost Biden. Which will not help with inflation either. However, if he and his dad committed any crimes, they need to face up to breaking the law, like any other citizen.
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I don't know about you, but the wagon wheels on this impeachment iniative are starting to come off. The recent challenge by Trump for Pelosi to bring the impeachment inquiry to a house vote is a win-win move. If it comes to a vote and they decide not to impeach, then we go back to waiting for the...
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Trump Admits Asking Ukraine to Investigate Biden’s Son-Now this stinks
by Credence2 3 years ago
Background articlehttps://news.yahoo.com/trump-admits-ask … 51988.htmlYour thoughts?
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President Obama's closing lines - to announce Bin Ladens death
by Cut The Bullshit 12 years ago
President Obama�s closing lines to his speech when he announced to the world that Bin Laden was dead. "Let us remember that we can do these things not just because of wealth or power, but because of who we are: one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."...
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Bye-Bye President Trump
by Miebakagh Fiberesima 2 years ago
In the next 3 days, President Donald Trump term of office expires. I hope he be man enough to be present to hand over no matter how the votes were stollen from him. "With no mallce and charity for all" like when he consent...