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   Sharlee01posted 24 months ago

   
   December 18, 2022, 6:16 PM
   
   WASHINGTON — The House Jan. 6 committee met Sunday to finalize its plans to issue at least three criminal referrals for former President Donald Trump, NBC News has learned exclusively.
   
   The committee, gathering publicly Monday, is expected to vote on referrals asking the Justice Department to pursue at least three criminal charges against the former president related to the Capitol riot: obstructing an official proceeding, conspiracy to defraud the government, and inciting or assisting an insurrection.
   
   Rep. Jamie Raskin said in part during the Sunday meeting overheard by NBC News that he believed referrals were “warranted.” A source familiar with the committee’s plans told NBC News about the meeting and its location on the Capitol complex.
   
   The committee did not respond to requests for comment. -- much more to read
   https://www.aol.com/jan-6-committee-fin … 04641.html
   
   Now it will be all up to AG Garland. Will he indite or won't he?
   
   Will the general public see a final report from the Jan 6th committee?
   
   Did you watch the hearings?

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      Castlepalomaposted 24 months agoin reply to this

      Just one security police died, a day after Jan 6th event happen of heart failure. So many police died over Black lives matters riots across the country, Maybe Trump should visit their event to give them more press coverage.

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         Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

         Mt view --- the Democrats have gone after Trump form the moment he ran for president in 2016. He is enemy number one. They have made every attempt to chase him out of politics and failed. Yes, they have turned a huge part of Americans against him with one made-up scam after another. 
         
         Trump has outed the Democrats for their corruption,  yet, the general public appears to be gullible, and more than willing to see this, and not that...
         
         This committee was just another look here not there... I watched all hearings, and none offered true evidence of any crimes, by anyone... All well-delivered "stories, second, and third-hand hearsay. None of which could be presented in a court of law.
         
         I will be very surprised if Trump is charged with any form of a crime unless there is information we have not seen as of yet.
         
         So, what next on the Dem's agenda? Who knows, but there most certainly will be more.
         
         The Party is purely vile, corrupt in my view. Not to mention dangerous.

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            Castlepalomaposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            He must be the most talked about ex president ever. Who the hell is living in the present.

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               Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

               That is the scary part, not many seem to care about the very serious problem this administration is causing. It's clearly a societal phenomenon. It appears as a form of brainwashing.
               
               This is what we saw in Germany under Hitler, he mesmerized his society, and clearly was left to do anything he pleased.
               
               I am somewhat comforted that it appears half of the American citizens
               are not being into this administration's corruption.
               
               I can honestly say this is a true phenomenon.  I also fear Republicans/conservatives may not be up to be able to stop the deterioration this administration is causing.  The problem with conservatives, they are not the best fighters, they fancy themselves above the fray so to speak. 
               
               In my view, Our democracy becomes more likely to fail day by day.

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                  Castlepalomaposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                  I take politics alway with a grain of salt and humor where it goes down better. Bill Mahar said he has always been a liberal and alway laughed at the Republican. FINALLY Republicans have many bat sh_t stories to laugh about the left.

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                     Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                     I am quickly thinking much like you. It's evitable it is not wise to invest one's peace of mind into politics.

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            Credence2posted 23 months agoin reply to this

            But, you did say "that the people have spoken". That was the case in elections in 2020 and 2022. You need to expound on the fact that your perspective is your own opinion not shared by the majority of voters. Otherwise, wouldn't we have had a different outcome, today? Gullibility is relative term depending on regarding what,who and wherefore.
            
            How can so many other opinions differ from your own?

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               Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

               I always indicate it when I am sharing my view, as I did in the comment you responded to, note my first two words "My view". (although a typo)  My comment had nothing to do with Trump winning or losing. It had to do with what the Democrats have done from the day Trump became a threat to them. All the cheap, what I refer to as corrupt ploys
               
               My comment centered around the Dems going after Trump from the moment he tossed his hat in the political ring. I have not disputed the outcome of the elections that took place in 2020 or 2022. I actually have never in my voting lifetime disputed the outcome of an election. However, I do feel the Democrats did use every trick in their playbook and added a few new ones to go after Trump, period.   
               
               I have shared my views that I feel we are seeing a form of the phenomenon in regard to our American society mindset. I see a very visible gullibility trait in our society today.  That is my view.
               
               "How can so many other opinions differ from your own?"
               
               Not sure if you are speaking about opinions here on this forum or to the general public?  I don't worry about what others think of my views. You see I am not part of a groupthink type of society. Never was...  And care little about matching my views to any one crowd.  I actually feel pretty good about that.

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                  Credence2posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                  Sharlee, I know that you emphasized more than once that this is just your opinion.
                  
                  Yes, we were after Trump, and you what, he deserved it. How many people and groups do you offend before you make enemies?
                  
                  https://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/politics … index.html
                  
                  I guess those that complain about such attacks and behavior are called "woke" by conservatives, but I have another name for it.
                  
                  He attacked my man, Barack Obama, in a dastardly unprovoked manner, with that "birther"stuff, so he got on my sh*t list straight away. This he knew to be a lie on its face.  So, you ask why he got off on the wrong foot with an infinitely more ethnically diverse Democratic Party, there is your answer. Not a great way to make friends and influence people.
                  
                  Oh, I wanted to apologize. I read an article from the Atlantic Monthly, a journalistic source that I trust, that said the Operation Warp Speed was phenomenal in bringing innovation and implementation together quickly. When I understood more it appeared to be so smart that I could not believe Trump capable of creating it. So, I give credit where it is due, he has done a few good things but they have been overcome with the negative in his regard.
                  
                  You conservatives have your own form of "group think". Are you really as independent as you claim to be?

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                     Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                     Please note, I made no reference in regard did he deserve it... My reference was to how the Democrats used corrupt ploys from the moment he said he would be running for president.  I note you have averted the main issue that my comment addressed.
                     
                     I think if one researched my comments here they might see, for the most part, I did not defend or support Trump other than when I pointed out the context of many of his statements that I researched, and found them to perhaps be reported out of context. I certainly followed all the Democratic ploys to destroy this man in regard to investigations, impeachments, finger pointing. I found Russiagate a true crime against our election, one that many ignored. 
                     
                     I realized long ago, Trump would be targeted for just about anything, much of what could not be sensibly defended.  Some could...  However, many things the Democrats perpetrated were in my view, corrupt, and inexcusable.  And this kind of politicking seems to at this point be expected by many Americans. I find that a problem. It tells me many are believing only what is produced in the end matters. It matters little if truth or fairness was used to get to what they hoped to get in the end.
                     
                     I think Grump had many characters/personality problems. But, I feel he was a very good problem solver, a man that strived to make things better for America. I am not willing to join the bandwagon of tearing apart his accomplishments. I witnessed them. Not willing to become part of a group that is unwilling to concede to media rhetoric. I have no respect for those that do.  I saw the main faults of Trump, I  saw Trump's faults very clearly. I also witnessed his accomplishments.  I also witnessed a political party weaponize the FBI to cause this man undue accusations hurled at him.
                     And two ridiculous non-constitutional impeachments. I watched many citizens put for blood and more that were willing to close their minds to the pure corruption that we were witnessing.
                     
                     And now I see many of the same willing to look the other way to support a president (that in my view) has literally ruined the country, ignored his duties, and to boot is cognitively impaired. He roams around the country telling stories he makes up in his head. This is the man that truly has his hands on our nuclear codes. Remember when the Liberal Dems were so concerned that Trump had the NC's? This is all so laughable.
                     
                     Maybe time to pull away from Trump, and look at what your guy
                     is doing.  Trump is not the president. The media has so many stuck on Trump. Maybe ask yourself why?
                     
                     America is spinning out of control. For me, I am standing still, watching the great phenomena that have occurred in our society.  It's a very ugly picture looking from the outside in.

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                        Credence2posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                        But, Sharlee, your attacks on Biden and the Democratic Party in general are not the stuff of objectivity and impartiality.
                        
                        When Trump removes himself from the political scene like so many of his predecessors did in the past, then I can pull away, and the media will, too.
                        
                        I am satisfied that Biden is doing a fine job, with an exception or two under the current circumstances. It is only conservatives that seem to have the problem of vilifying him.
                        
                        A despotic/authoritarian type personality is not one that I want throwing in his hat for the presidency.
                        
                        But again, you say tomayto and I sat tomoughto......

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                           Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                           "But, Sharlee, your attacks on Biden and the Democratic Party, in general, are not the stuff of objectivity and impartiality."
                           
                           Sorry, when I criticize Biden or the Democratic party, I do so with some form of evidence of whatever subject I post. I make it a very clear habit to offer some forms of sources to back up anything that is factual in nature. otherwise, I state,  IMO... I consider my opinions fallible very much subject to making mistakes, or even possibly being erroneous. But facts, I will stand behind facts all day long. The funny part is most here do not address my post where I have offered facts and offered reliable sources to back up my thread or comment. The Democratic party has committed many unscrupulous acts over the past 6 years, most documented, for all to see.  So I must admit, and very pleased to admit I am very much being practical, and sensible, and my posts that offer fats are very justifiable. I don't look the other way to protect a political party that is corrupt and is looking the other way to hide a president that is cognitively impaired.
                           
                           "When Trump removes himself from the political scene like so many of his predecessors did in the past, then I can pull away, and the media will, too."
                           
                           Is this a threat?  The context sounds like a threat or an admission of what this administration has done to corrupt our media and, they can call them off when they see fit.
                           
                           My, I see something interesting in that statement.
                           
                           We have had a conversation in regard to my feelings about Trump running in 2024. My feelings have not changed since 2020. I want new, younger, with less baggage.
                           
                           I think Biden's record speaks for itself.

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                              Credence2posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                              Is this a threat?  The context sounds like a threat or an admission of what this administration has done to corrupt our media and, they can call them off when they see fit.
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                              Why would it be a threat if you insist on remaining in the limelight, what would be the outcome? He insists on being the king maker, candidate for President in 2024, that brings all of the rallies and campaigning associated with that. He brings this upon himself, that is not a creation of the media.
                              
                              With all the crazy stuff Trump has done, would it be far fetched to say that he, too, is cognitively impaired? I want younger blood on the next go round, but certainly not a Republican.

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                                 Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                                 I  think he exhibits narcissistic personality disorder, he does want all to revolve around him. I don't find him cognitively impaired.  He seems to be logical, yet outspoken, and somewhat unfiltered. 
                                 
                                 I think after reflecting on some of your other comments  I have come to understand what you mean.  This is at this point as long as he keeps himself in the picture,  the media, and yourself will see him as an open target.

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                                    peoplepower73posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                                    Call it as you may, but Trump takes advice from people who are not even qualified to give it: Case in point Rudy Giuliani and John Eastman about Jan 6; and whoever told him he could steal and alter pictures for his NFT Crypto gambit without infringing on copyright laws?  Maybe no one told him, he just took upon himself to do it.. 
                                    
                                    How about stealing highly classified documents by just taking them, thinking he could exercise executive privilege as a civilian? I think he is a cunning. narcissistic  master con artist, but not the sharpest pencil in the box.

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                                       Castlepalomaposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                                       Trump owes me $10,000. Won't sue a world record man for law suits. Those mafia lawyers worked out brilliantly for him.

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                                    Credence2posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                                    "I think after reflecting on some of your other comments  I have come to understand what you mean.  This is at this point as long as he keeps himself in the picture,  the media, and yourself will see him as an open target."
                                    
                                    Exactly, Any one who tosses his or her hat into the ring for the top job is going to have expect attention. In addition to the fact that Trump is the most influential person within the GOP, bar none. That is going to turn heads as well.

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               wildernessposted 23 months agoin reply to this

               ??That the people spoke, saying they did not particularly want Trump approval on their legislators has zero to do with Democrat efforts to remove him from the political arena.
               
               At most, it shows that all those Democrat lies are believed by at least a handful of people, not that they are true or that the majority of people believe them (half the country would already refuse to vote for anyone Trump approved of, leaving 1% or less to fall for those lies to swing the vote).

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                  Credence2posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                  Republicans got their clocks clear last November, Wilderness, for reasons that go far beyond Trump and his choice of candidates for the House and Senate.
                  
                  The people were on to the fact that the Republicans were simply the most prominent of liars between the two.

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                     wildernessposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                     Got their clocks cleaned?  They won more new seats than Democrats did - I don't see that as a loss.  Not the win they wanted, surely, but just as surely not a loss.

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                        GA Andersonposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                        How about describing it as a 'spanking'? From a crushing Red wave to a shore-lapping coaster wave may still be a win, but it is well short of expectations.
                        
                        Given the national turmoil at the time, both economic and political, that Red wave seemed a real possibility. The Roe decision changed things, of course, but I think the 'Trump-effect' brought on their "spanking" at the polls.
                        
                        It's not a stretch, for me, to think that without the "Trump-effect" the Republicans would have held their 50 Senate seats had gotten a more significant House win.
                        
                        GA

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                           Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                           I would agree, but we still came out cup half full. And that majority in the House just may be enough to help right the ship, or at best show why the ship is sinking.

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                              GA Andersonposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                              Yep, a single-party Congress would not have been a good follow-up to the past few years.
                              
                              GA

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                     Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                     This is not true, The Republicans won the House. and the Senate is the status quo. 49 -49  Republicans lost only 1 seat in the Senate. and in the House Republicans picked up 9 seats leaving the Dem losing those 9 seats.
                     
                     So, in my view, the Republicans won the midterms, and now have a majority in the House.  Not sure how the media could spin this to Democrats thinking they had a victory of any kind.  Do stats, and numbers not matter any longer?

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                        peoplepower73posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                        Begging your pardon ma'am, but I think Cred said last November, not this November. I think in your zeal to prove him wrong, you misread his comment.

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                           wildernessposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                           Hmmm.  I took his comments to mean elections last month as well; that is "last November", at least in my mind.
                           
                           Guess Credence is the only one that can clarify this one.

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                           Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                           As always, you seemed not to pick up the context of the conversation. Here is the full context  I pointed out facts, and my view about the facts. Not the words in my comment carefully IN MY VIEW.
                           
                           CREDENCE2 WROTE:
                           Republicans got their clocks clear last November, Wilderness, for reasons that go far beyond Trump and his choice of candidates for the House and Senate.
                           
                           The people were on to the fact that the Republicans were simply the most prominent of liars between the two.
                           
                           MY RESPONSE --  "This is not true, The Republicans won the House. and the Senate is the status quo. 49 -49  Republicans lost only 1 seat in the Senate. and in the House Republicans picked up 9 seats leaving the Dem losing those 9 seats.
                           
                           So, in my view, the Republicans won the midterms, and now have a majority in the House.  Not sure how the media could spin this to Democrats thinking they had a victory of any kind.  Do stats, and numbers not matter any longer?"
                           
                           THIS SENTENCE should give you a clear clue that Cred was referring to the mid-terms.
                           
                           "Republicans got their clocks clear last November, Wilderness, for reasons that go far beyond Trump and his choice of candidates for the House and Senate." 
                           
                           Note he made Republican plural. And please note this above all ---   "Trump and his choice of candidates for the House and Senate."   The media concentrated on the folks Trump was supporting, and after they tallied up the candidates he backed that lost.
                           
                           You need to read a comment before coming out after the person that posted it.
                           I pointed out facts about the  Nov 2022 mid-terms and offered a view on the outcome.
                           
                           To further clarify the ongoing conversation that leads to my comment, check wilderness and Creds back and forth.
                           
                           Make an attempt to keep up with a conversation before jumping in, this will avert problems in misunderstanding the context   When the word last is used it means the immediate past.
                           https://www.powerthesaurus.org/last_nov … efinitions
                           
                           I took Cred literally, he was very clear.

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                              Credence2posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                              Your assement is correct, I was referring to the mid terms of Nov. 2022.

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                                 Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                                 I did feel you were, I felt the context was clear, and I did follow your conversation with Wilderness.  Plus I know the 2020 election Democrats were predicted in the polls to expand their majority by up 15 seats. Just due to the unpopularity problems Trump due to COVID.  While yes, the Democrats retained control of the House following the 2020 elections, but Republicans did actually have a net gain of 14 seats. 
                                 
                                 Thanks for sharing what you were referring to.

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                              peoplepower73posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                              Sharlee: In my mind, there is a difference in Last November and This November.  His statement is true if applied to last November as he stated.  Thanks for the lecture though.  Here is the results of the 2021 mid-terms.
                              
                              Who has the majority in the Congress 2021?
                              
                              Following the swearing-in of Warnock and Ossoff on January 20, 2021, party division stood at 50–50, with 50 Republicans and 48 Democrats plus 2 Independents who caucused with the Democrats.

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                        Credence2posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                        Many of the pundits including Republicans said that the anticipated red wave of discontent shoul have gained them 30 -40 seats in the House and flipped  the Senate. In recent times there has not been an instance where the sittin President's party has done relatively well during the mid term  period. The Red Wave tuned out to be a dribble. Numbers and stats do matter, which points to the fact that the GOP outcome fell well short of its objectives.
                        
                        The thin House margin to the GOP advantage will be grounds for turf battles, where he new speaker will have trouble herding all the elephants along the same path. That will be something we have to watch.

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                           wildernessposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                           "the fact that the GOP outcome fell well short of its objectives."
                           
                           So did Democrats.  Their objective was to hold the house and gain the Senate.  Does that mean that they got their hat handed to them, too?

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                              Credence2posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                              The Democrats were expected to lose based on traditional support for the party not representing the sitting president. What was it, the Biden economy, inflation and what have you? The anticipated massive storm turned into a few drops of rain instead.

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                                 wildernessposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                                 Expectations are not objectives.  Your comment was that Republicans did not meet their objectives so lost badly.  Democrats did the same.
                                 
                                 Plus, when it comes to expectations every politician in the country will tell you they expect far more than they even hope to get.  That's the nature of the beast, as you well know.

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                           Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                           I was one that felt there could be a red wave. I am just pointing out the stats. and I do feel the New House can work on solutions to solve some problems, or at best get republicans to answer to many questions we have about Hunter, COVID origins, and the accusations about Twitter working with the FBI, the Biden campaign, and more. To much smoke on all accounts to just turn the other cheek.
                           
                           I would hope the House will work hard on coming up with solutions to some of our current problems. Yes, we can expect battles.  But hopefully, the battles will show one party being unreasonable over the other. I will hold my party accountable every inch of the way. I pray their bills will be sensible, and keep the American people in mind when they write them.
                           
                           I want common sense to return to Congress.

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         Credence2posted 23 months agoin reply to this

         So, you have come down with a case of the "Red Death"? I am surprised that you actually believe the drivel coming from Trump and his supporters.

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            Castlepalomaposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            Most of Americans don't vote and the ones that do , I don't care. Its as farlytale as religion and the nationism is more dangerous. I don't take any stock or responsible in the out come. Only report the ugly freak show business for kicks and what to avoid in their, not ever ending conflicts  . I led my life much better than any other leader with creativity imagination, not this destructive kind. There was Bush, then Trump and now Biden, each getting worst than the last since Kennedy. Not ever seen Canada and the US go down hill this rapidly in this lifetime and most people will agree. Just more fear their Government more than ever before. Don't take life too seriously or the stress takes 20 years off your life. Not against anything, just not for the greatest scrammer in the world being Government and centro banks.

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               Credence2posted 23 months agoin reply to this

               Nationalism and its most negative connotations are coming from primarily one direction in American politics and culture. The America first attitude promoted by the Trump administration assumed that the rest of the world did not matter. That is nationalism on steroids. What do conservatives call it? Globalism? Everybody promoting their own self interests to the detriment of others will not benefit the whole, and is a non starter when international cooperation is necessary.
               
               Everybody wants to take on your persona, Castle, if they could, but the greed, quest for unaccountable power makes this a dangerous world from which you can hide away from for only so long.
               
               I believe that Government can be a positive good , if the correct people were in charge. But you and many say that there is not a lot of daylight between government and corruption, intrinsically. As a progressive, I would like to believe that is wrong as the alternative to order is chaos.
               
               The world has deteriorated in many ways since JFK, depending upon which yardstick you choose to use.
               
               The rise of despots and authoritarians primarily from one source at least here in the United States is unprecedented. Regardless of that, we have been holding it together for almost 250 years. Can we maintain that successful track record?
               
               I am seeing many of the changes and where they are leading and whatever peace and joy that is to be found  depends upon the civilly and reasonableness of my neighbors, both near and far.

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                  Castlepalomaposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                  I'm a mini anarchist, meaning the Government is to take care of the small stuff, not to run or enslave our lives. My business and one third of small businesses and millionaire have  been swallowed up by billionaires through design of a 80 year cycle. It's now the G7 third world war. Before that, world war 2 and before that the Civil War. The 1776 America did break the cycle of the world being ruled by far worse kings and dictatorship worldwide. The world is ready for another aquarius positive change after this great abuse. What is Greater is alway Choas and ignorance.  Its works more positive by  :We the  People: rather than centroism hierarchy as over powering, alway corrupts. My contributions is tiny housing communities,  freedom and above all healthy foods of the gods. It's intertwined in personal and business bliss.

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