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   Vlado - Val Karasposted 13 months ago

   Allow me to guide you through a simple logical experiment, that is to suggest how none of the charges against Trump are necessary in order to question his qualifications for a president.
   So, let's forget about all the courtroom drama going on, to merely focus on Trump's personality profile.
   We are talking about someone who went through 6 bankruptcies, one failed TV show, one failed Trump University, three marriages with ample evidence of an extramarital adventurism -- suggesting his loose sense of loyalty to anybody but his own interests and wishes.
   Now, let us add to it the book-size report by over 25 bona fide psychiatrists who are portraying him as a dangerous narcissist -- albeit the full diagnosis is much longer and much more descriptive.
   We might even forget about questioning their ability to diagnose without a standard procedure including an examination in a clinical ambient and privacy.
   Why? Because if we could diagnose one Adolf Hitler by his sole public behaviors, actions, and use of words, then we can do it with any other person displaying peculiar signs of mental health.
   That brings us to the question of how loose seem to be the criteria of pronouncing one qualified for presidency.
   Namely, 18 of American presidents had psychiatric personality disorders, but were "popular" enough to end up in White House.
   So, the question is: IS THE ELECTION ALL ABOUT A POPULARITY CONTEST BASED ON QUESTIONABLE PROMISES, OR SOMEONE  NEEDS SOMETHING MORE CONVINCING IN THEIR JOB RESUME?
   For, logically, it turns out that any lunatic can become a president, providing that the propaganda machinery has portrayed them as -- well -- even as a "godsend".
   So again, regardless of all legal charges against Trump, what is his personal and business history saying about him?
   If all that is satisfactory in the eyes of voters, then -- well, by all means, you got yourselves the right dude, and I am just talking some sheer nonsense here.
   I certainly give him a credit for having succeeded to amass such an incredible multitude of believers -- even worshipers. Good for you, Donny, and may God save America!

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   Vlado - Val Karasposted 13 months ago

   I would like to add a syllogism to my above assessment of Trump's personality profile.
   Namely, should any of the information used there be characterized as "fake", then -- logically -- ALL OTHER information debunking it can also be seen as potentially fake, since none of us has an access to first hand political facts, and it all boils down to sheer cherry-picking.

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   Miebakagh57posted 13 months ago

   Alvin Braggs should have keep to his words.                                Why he break them is a testament that he was under the Democrat influence. These are the pdople that don't like  Ex-President Donald Trump.                                      Oddly, they'll do anything to gyped him. Otherwise, why Braggs should resort to this 'novel and untested legal theory-previously declined by federal prosecutors'?                                      Trump, is highly disliked by any Dem under the Sun.

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   Valeantposted 13 months ago

   Trump sure does have his base gaslit.  These crimes were obvious.  They talk about persecution while repeatedly trying to explain away so many crimes.  And not even basic crimes.  Fraud.  Campaign finance.  Sexual assault.  Blackmail.  Insurrection.  Stealing an election.  Just like 2020 election fraud, they will blindly follow whatever narrative, and live within whatever warped reality Trump asks them to live within.
   
   It's idiocy, plain and simple.  Trump said it years ago, that the Republican Party was filled with morons, and they would believe whatever he told them to.  People with actual critical thinking skills can see through his obvious exaggerations, blatant lies, and empty promises.

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   Vlado - Val Karasposted 13 months ago

   Not that I couldn't find some better words for it , but all this is a pathetic kicking the political shit back and forth with nothing to be achieved other than venting some accumulated political antagonism.
   Trumpists are basically contending that those 60 judges who dumped complaints about a "stolen" election were Trump-haters; and all prosecutors,  judges, witnesses, and all evidence, were "politically motivated"; and even though those closest to Trump told him that he had lost the election -- the brainwashed crowd is persisting with their narrative, just echoing Trump.
   At this point I am imagining a hypothetical case in which a white dude, with all evidence against him, would say that it's a black prosecutor and a black judge being "racially motivated" to unfairly treat him. Evidence is evidence, and there is no label of "hate" attached to each piece. You may philosophize all you want about "who should process that evidence" -- but that doesn't change that evidence at all.
   I am actually having a lot of fun reading all this incessant word-game, so I am merely converting my inaudible laughter into these words.
   No wonder America is so divided, if plain logic means nothing and truth is just a matter of deliberate interpretation.

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   Vlado - Val Karasposted 13 months ago

   In this addition to my above comment, and playing some more with logic -- by seeing Trump as "wrong", does NOT automatically make Biden "right". His biggest sin, in my view, is his being indirectly or even directly responsible for all those innocent victims in Ukraine -- while he pushed for installation of NATO in Ukraine, the very neighborhood of Russia -- although it had been established at the United Nations that military presence of political blocks should not trespass a certain zone.
   Between Biden and Trump, I would vote for Mickey Mouse.

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      Miebakagh57posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Smart!

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         Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

         The establishment is 'smart' period.
         
         Trump is their perfect dupe, they destroy him, those who support him, all the while ensuring the election goes the way they want it to go, regardless of how many Americans have had their fill of the nonsense and endless wars.
         
         Interesting site that collects voter registration data...
         https://www.ssa.gov/open/havv/havv-week … 06-01.html
         
         Look at the most recent week... I said week... 6,582 non Social Security # attempts to register to vote, in PA, one state... an important swing state.
         
         Lets say a percentage each week somehow gets through and registered, not detected as being dead, fraudulent, etc. that amounts over the course of the year to tens of thousands of 'ballots' that should have never gone out.
         
         I suppose if the country is indeed split 50/50 it doesn't matter... right?
         
         If you take away the States where they allow for mass Mail In Ballots the Democrats don't fair so well. The ability to create tens of thousands of ballots that are fraudulent is only possible in Mail In Ballot States.

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   Readmikenowposted 12 months ago

   I never thought I would see the day when I would be in agreement with former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, but that day has arrived.
   
   "Cuomo: Trump NY hush money case ‘should have never been brought’
   
   Former New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) suggested Friday that the New York hush money case against former President Trump was only brought forward because of his name and White House bid.
   
   Cuomo, in an interview Friday on HBO’s “Real Time with Bill Maher,” argued that the case should have “never” been brought forward.
   
   “If his name was not Donald Trump and if he wasn’t running for president … I’m the former AG of in New York, [and] I’m telling you that case would’ve never been brought.”
   
   “That’s what is offensive to people, and it should be because if there’s anything left, it’s belief in the justice system,” he added.
   
   Trump was found guilty late last month on all 34 counts of falsifying business records in relation to a payment to an adult film star during his 2016 campaign to buy her silence over an alleged past affair. Trump, who denies the affair, has pledged to appeal the case.
   
   The case was brought by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg (D), who has been repeatedly accused by Trump and his allies of unfairly targeting him as the presumptive GOP prepares for a rematch against President Biden in November.
   
   Trump’s guilty verdict was unanimous among the 12 jurors, though allies of the former president have tried to pour cold water on its legitimacy, pointing to what they believe was a biased judge and jury selection process.
   
   Cuomo was elected as New York’s attorney general in 2007 and went on to serve as the state’s governor for 11 years. The former governor resigned from office in 2021 after an investigation into sexual harassment allegations and backlash over his COVID-19 pandemic polices. Cuomo has denied the accusations.
   
   The former governor seemingly agreed that an issue exists within the justice system. He warned the Manhattan district attorney’s office against using the system to play politics.
   
   “And you want to talk about a threat to democracy: When you have this country believing you’re playing politics with the justice system and you’re trying to put people in jail or convict them for political reasons, then we have a real problem,” Cuomo said Friday.
   
   Trump currently has a razor-thin lead of 0.6 percentage points over President Biden, per The Hill/Decision Desk HQ’s national polling index.
   
   https://thehill.com/regulation/court-ba … -new-york/
   
   Here is the video of it.
   
   https://www.youtube.com/shorts/x1bqzPK7JU8

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   Valeantposted 12 months ago

   Cuomo's likely pretty bitter about the government finding out about his illicit conduct as well, and that conduct forcing him out of politics.  Certainly, he's right in line with Trump on this, in that he doesn't believe that the rich and powerful should be held to account for their crimes that happened during their political careers.
   
   It's funny, you've never really argued that Trump did not commit the crimes, just that it's political taboo to hold someone accountable for cheating in an election.  I disagree with that stance.

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      Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      There was no crime committed.
      
      We could go on and on and on.
      
      These were made up charges.  The FEC looked into the charges and sent their findings over to the DOJ who found there was nothing to prosecute.
      
      It should have ended there.  It was a federal matter that was under federal law and had nothing to do with any state court.
      
      I think Cuomo, like others, believe the court system shouldn't be used for election interference.  This is a view held by many in the legal profession who have viewed this case.  Even Judge Judy believes this case was nonsense.

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         Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

         Again, the FEC only had purview to look at the campaign finance charges.  And the DOJ did charge, and get a conviction, of Cohen for those crimes - even naming Trump as a co-conspirator in that conviction.  The DOJ's standard for bringing a case is certainly different than the state-level prosecutors, and they were likely put off by Cohen's credibility.  With the corroboration that the state had though, they thought their case was strong, and they were right.
         
         As for New York, they did charge and convict Weisselberg for business fraud already.  When they discovered that Trump had also committed a different business fraud in service of his campaign, they charged him as well.  State business fraud is not a federal law.  The Trump Organization is not a federal business, it existed at the time in New York State.  Business fraud done in service of another crime is a felony.  That other crimes does not need to be charged, and it wasn't.  But it was proven.  Think of that, they not only proved the business fraud, but that other crimes were committed.

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            Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            Again we can go back and forth. 
            
            Many people including many democrat attorneys have found the charges were bogus and only brought for political reasons and not for justice.
            
            I will stand with them and their interpretation of the case. 
            
            As former New York governor said, this case is so awful it destroys people's faith in the election process.

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               Miebakagh57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

               It's not only awful. It's terrible to stained both  the civil servce and an independent justice system.

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   Miebakagh57posted 12 months ago

   The bottomline is that politics as a game, isn't being played fair and squared in the most demoratic country of the world, the United States of America!                                    Alvin Bragg as a Dem shouldn't bring these 34 charges against Trump!                                     Critically and seriously, an Independent or Conservative body or person(s) is idea. This stains the justice system.

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      Miebakagh57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      The trend now is that the DOJ, FBI, and other governmental organizations seems to be weaponized.                                   Critically, they Public Service streams. Politics shouldn't revolved around such governmental offices. They're not the Oval Office, where politics addicted full circle.                                     Critically again, the Public Service and her occupitants should be ndutral in politics. Should a Civil Sertant delve into politics, doesn't the United States Constitution ask them first and foremost to resign?

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         Miebakagh57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

         Those public officers who holds a Dem membership card specific Alvin Bragg should have had resigned or be neutral.

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