Trump's Criminal Trials
The country will get at least one verdict before the November election. The New York Hush Money/Election Interference case is set to kick off on March 25. Trump attorneys attempts to get charges dropped and the case delayed were struck down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfD3FFRWOX4
Might as well have one thread for all the updates from what appears to be a busy trial season this summer.He has been proven to be liable for a sexual assault and defaming the victim. How many does it take not to vote for someone?
The strange thing is that Trump does not show remorse. He doesn't show guilt. It shows how detached he is from normal rules and life.
He has grown up in a world of riches where the law doesn't count. Where you can do everything you want without being accountable.
And now suddenly he is confronted with the law and doesn't understand why the law is against him. Makes sense as his worldview is completely warped and detached from reality.Thanks for your observation and comment. It was not strange. When you get very rich, get along with the poor. Live and eat with them.
Just food for thought -- Let's explore the viewpoint that Trump's lack of remorse and guilt might stem from telling the truth and not being guilty of the accusations against him.
In my view, it's essential to acknowledge that individuals vary in their emotional expressions, including how they show remorse or guilt. Some people may not outwardly display these emotions even if they are innocent or telling the truth. Therefore, Trump's demeanor alone may not be conclusive evidence of guilt.
Trump has consistently denied the accusations against him and asserted his innocence. From his perspective, showing remorse or guilt could be interpreted as an admission of wrongdoing, which he believes he has not committed. In this context, his lack of remorse could be seen as consistent with his stance of innocence rather than evidence of guilt.
The accusations against Trump have been highly politicized, with intense scrutiny from various angles. In such a charged environment, any display of remorse or guilt could be misconstrued or exploited for political purposes. Therefore, Trump might be cautious about showing emotions that could be manipulated or misrepresented.
It's worth considering that Trump's public persona is often characterized by confidence and assertiveness. Displaying remorse or guilt may not align with the image that he seeks to project to his supporters and the public.Trump is guilty of giving Americans a non-establishment choice.
They found him guilty, years after the fact, on a loan paid back fully, with interest, given to him by the most sophisticated banks...
Have you ever bought a House and taken a Mortgage... then you know they do their due diligence, they aren't giving you that loan based on guesswork or your word.
That's all you need to know... that isn't rule of law... that is eyes-wide-open proof that the Justice system has been weaponized to destroy him.
Reference to what I am referring to:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurk … 9fdd9c4565
What is worse, is that anyone, and I mean anyone familiar in the least with the values of property in that area know there is absolutely no way you can validate the Court's claim. It's 100% BS... anyone, any reasonable, rational human knows this.From his perspective, showing remorse or guilt could be interpreted as an admission of wrongdoing
But a judge found him guilty after reviewing all of the evidence, after hearing from all of the witnesses and after Trump's own attorneys put forth a defense. It has been adjudicated, he has been found guilty of fraud and the penalty applied.
He will continue to bluster and bloviate how he's innocent but why would I believe him? I find that Trump continually asks me to suspend my belief in the judicial system when it rules against him. It's nonsensical . I'm also further offended by media and media personalities that continually try to convince me that all negative outcomes concerning Trump are automatically illegitimate. That he is simply a victim. None of it's rational and I have no respect for those who adopt a victim mentality as an identity . I think it highlights a psychological deficiency.
Lack of remorse? Some call that sociopathy.A judge found him guilty [BEFORE] reviewing all of the evidence, [BEFORE] hearing from all of the witnesses and [BEFORE] Trump's own attorneys put forth a defense.
The kangaroo court put on a show, so they could hand down their judgement, which they had determined, as soon as they came up with the charge to be brought against him.
Even if Trump was guilty, he can tell that to his lawyers, in confidence, and they wouldn't let him confess publicly.
That's goo reasoning Charlee. If someone is innocent it would be strange to show remorse. But the opposite is true as well. Murderers that are guilty do not always show remorse and guilt even if it is crystal clear the accused is guilty. So the two things, the feelings and showing of feelings, are not evidence of a crime committed nor being innocent.
In the US and probably in all countries, the law is in favour of rich people. Poor people end up quicker in jail. Because they can not pay proper lawyers or bail or can not stall the process.
To convict a rich person you have to move mountains. The fact that Trump has all the money in the world to get the best lawyers, can go trial after trial, shows that the evidence against him was incredibly strong. If the evidence wasn't that strong, even the slightest, he would have won the case.
You can say, it was a political trial. But, that's something you can say to anybody with political alliance, just as you can say that the trial is racists as it is about a black person... Everything can be labeled and with reason. But than it's impossible to make any court case.
Everybody, independent of race, religion, wealth or status should be prosecuted if there is reason to do so. And one should not hold back because it could be labeled as racist, political motivated, political correct or social unjust etc.When there is no crime, and there is no one claiming there is a crime, and then an AG that said her goal was to get Trump, uses here position to fabricate a charge and works with a Judge to find against Trump, despite no evidence, no facts, simply based on the Judge finding it so...
You cannot get any more political, any more of a mockery of justice, than that.So an attorney general cannot assert criminality on behalf of the state? That they do not have laws that protect the marketplace of the state of New York from people using fraudulent means to get more beneficial terms and sums of loans, thus endangering the entire enterprise? That's some assertion not grounded in legal reality.
And the assertion that there was no evidence or facts is the latest blatant lie from the right we are seeing. If anyone can get past the paywall here, the actual ruling has the many details that substantiate the decades of fraudulent filings: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 … tated.htmlKen, if there was no crime, there was no case.
There was obvious plenty of strong evidence as Trump could not show that he was innocent even with millions spend on lawyers.
As said before. If a rich person like Trump is unable to win a case, the evidence must be incredibly strong and water tight. As sure his lawyers would have looked into all the possibilities, trying to find cracks in the evidence.
So or Trump had terrible lawyers, or the evidence was against him and he was indeed guilty.
Of course people will say it was political. But that will be said to all trials against an ex-president. But this does not mean that an ex president, or president or any political figure can't be guilty of a crime. If you use this as an argument for not prosecuting a political person, you can't prosecute anyone. And so, you give them a card blanch to do whatever they like.
If Biden has not paid his taxes or molested a women or drove to fast, he too should be prosecuted."If a rich person like Trump is unable to win a case, the evidence must be incredibly strong and water tight."
Or...the judge involved may be incredibly corrupt.
You should look at the case. It is online. There were no victims. None of the banks President Trump dealt with had an issue with how he appraised his properties. The reason is they all got paid back their loans.
This was done by a corrupt prosecutor and an even more corrupt judge. New York is known for its judicial corruption and this is just one more example.Are all judges corrupt? Or just the ones who handle Trump's cases? Are all the grand juries corrupt or just the ones that get seated for Trump cases?
The Judge is not the only person who is active in the case. You have lots of people working on it who have to look at the evidence and see if it holds up.
If the Judge is corrupt than the lawyers should sue the judge with evidence of corruption. If they don't have evidence, than she/he is not corrupt.
In NY it is actually quite the opposite, no evidence is needed, in fact, you can have a large amount of evidence disproving it, as Trump has had for both primary cases against him in NY... the 'rape' case and the 'fraud' case.
But when dealing with kangaroo courts and banana republic governments, no real evidence is ever needed. Very much like Russia, where Alexei Navalny was persecuted for challenging the ruling regime (Putin), jailed, and eventually killed.
There are many such shenanigans going on in America today, Trump is the most obvious, but they have arrested thousands of Trump supporters, brought cases against almost all of the Lawyers who were defending him and bringing forth his election 2020 claims, including Juliani.
They have arrested whistle blowers who came forward from the FBI to expose the Biden family corruption, others have just disappeared.
I could go on about the Dossier, Hunter Biden, so much that has been hashed out in these forum threads for years now...
Listen to this gentleman, he has a great deal of information to consider:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRYSKaS-XtQ
He discusses the great lengths the 'government' has gone to retain control of the narrative, of information, and overall control of the people, especially since 2016 and Trump's win and Brexit.
Now one needs to consider the greater problem of international trade and reserve currency status. The Biden Administration with its efforts against Russia, the sanctions, confiscations of Russian assets, etc. has incentivized all of the non-Western world to move off the Dollar as the world reserve and into new trade agreements that do not include America.
This is one such discussion on this matter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2b5GCMxP3g
And then you have the Open Borders - Open Society, UN Agenda 2030, that keeps moving towards its destructive, disruptive goals to create a NWO.
A discussion about Larry Fink, George Soros, the WEF and how they are using their billions to try and transpose America into something quite opposite of what it was founded on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qpvDW9r8WgNo evidence? Now that's a funny claim. They have Trump on tape admitting he sexually assaults women in just the manner he did with E. Jean Carroll. They have him confusing her with his wife, undercutting that stupid claim that 'she isn't my type.' They had two other witnesses who testified he did the same thing to them to establish a pattern that he is a serial rapist. But apparently, defending rapists is the MAGA way now.
MAGA has been radicalized to deny the mountains of evidence against their cult leader. It's becoming really sad to watch them try and defend his many crimes, especially rape.
And we had to wait for most of the day, but there's the daily mention of open borders and UN Agenda from Ken. Can't wait for it tomorrow too, and the day after that, and the one after that - even though this is a thread for Trump's criminal trials."they have Trump on tape admitting he sexually assaults women in just the manner he did with E. Jean Carroll. They have him confusing her with his wife, undercutting that stupid claim that 'she isn't my type.' They had two other witnesses who testified he did the same thing to them to establish a pattern that he is a serial rapist."
And NONE of that proves a rape occurred. None of it. There is NO direct evidence. None. She didn't sue him in a criminal court but in a civil trial. It's obvious she wasn't after justice...she was after MONEY. Her legal bills were paid by a huge democrat doner who hates President Donald Trump.
A shame the left can't see this for what it is..a successful attempt at financial enrichment. That is all it is.
Such a made-up accusation is what defines a travesty of justice.
I do wonder why E. Jean Carroll's interview with Anderson Cooper wasn't permitted to be used as evidence. The one where she claims rape isn't physical and she considers it sexy.By itself it does not prove it, but it certainly adds a lot of credibility to E. Jean Carroll's testimony. Taken together, it did prove it to a jury. It's a shame that MAGA cannot see a jury ruling for what it is, a proof that Donald Trump is a rapist.
And in the CNN interview you note, E. Jean Carroll uses the words 'most people,' but those words do not necessarily mean inclusion. Hence it didn't have much relevance to the events in question."it does not prove it"
Couldn't agree more.
There is NO proof he was ever even alone with her.
To me the most important facts.
1. She didn't bring it up to anyone for 26 years until Donald Trump had been elected president. She talks about it in her book where she refers to herself as a "dishonest political operative." I'm sure this helped her to sell many more books. The woman is all about the money.
2. New York law passed a law in 2022 granted accusers a one-year window to sue their abusers for incidents outside the civil statute of limitations. I'm sure the desire to get President Donald Trump was part of the motivation.
3. A New York Times interview was also not permitted to be used as evidence and in it she states, "Carroll said in a New York Times interview that, "It was an episode…..It was NOT A CRIME…..I have NOT BEEN RAPED. Something has NOT BEEN DONE TO ME.”
4. Trump’s attorney, Boris Epshteyn, spoke outside the courthouse, highlighting the inconsistency in Carroll’s account. He pointed out that the dress Carroll claimed to have worn in 1994 wasn’t even made that year, leading to changes in her story. “She said, this is the dress I wore in 1994. They went back, they checked. The dress wasn’t even made in 1994.
5. Carroll lied about who was funding her lawsuit. E. Jean Carroll originally said no one was funding her lawsuit against Trump. Later, her attorney admitted that billionaire Never-Trumper Reid Hoffman was funding Carroll’s lawsuit.
6. It was a civil trial and not a criminal trial. She was after money, not justice.
The woman is a proven liar. I won't even get into her bizarre tweets.Ah yes, the MAGA way. Remove the damning words to make someone else's words mean something you need them to say. Very mature. No one could see through that charade. We better keep you away from Sharpie pens and hurricane pathway displays.
The most important evidence to me is:
1. Trump confessing that he does the conduct he was alleged to have done to E. Jean Carroll.
2. Two other women testifying that Trump did that conduct to them.
3. E. Jean Carroll's direct testimony (which is actually proof) of the event.
4. E. Jean Carroll telling her friend Lisa Birnbach within 15 minutes of the rape happening exactly what had happened.
That's plenty of evidence to arrive at a finding.Correct, in both the fraud and the rape case.
No evidence was considered, they were civil, the Judge determined an outrageously fantastical amount to charge Trump with to cripple him financially and ultimately to attempt to seize all his assets.
This is Putin politics right out in the open, in NY, that they laughably try to justify as law and justice.
Today it is Trump, then Elon Musk, then all Americans that attempt to stand against their tyranny, this is the mask of evil coming off.
For over two centuries, poets, politicians and philosophers have regaled the nation with the ideals of American exceptionalism and excellence. With the guiding principles of life and liberty.
And for over two centuries this is what Americans were taught to believe.
Today, and for decades now, Americans in our Universities are taught the opposite... they are taught America was built on oppression, that the white men who founded the nation that gave us so much freedom and prosperity were evil slave owners.
Today, the Federal government forces K-12 schools to teach about critical race theory, the pillars of Islamic faith, black history month, gay pride month, and a whole slew of other topics not related to American exceptionalism or Christian values.
Today, young Americans are taught to hate America.
Today, young Americans are taught to hate Police, Patriots, and those that still believe in Merit based Equality.
Today, this evil is targeting those still strong (rich) enough to stand against it, people like Trump, Elon Musk, and a few others still trying to use their positions of prominence to warn Americans.
The boldness with which they abuse the Justice system to destroy Trump is a warning to all of us, of where our Nation is going, and what is in store for those that do not conform to the insanity gripping our institutions and our governing halls.Ken -- had to hit you up --- I see Trump has Tulsi Gabbard on his shortlist for VP! How wonderful would this be? Keep your fingers crossed. I missed Trump's Town hall, I had poor reception here in PV. I will try to watch it on Cspan.
Gotta go for the win... over anything else.
Vivek Ramaswamy has a lot of younger support, and he is extremely articulate and able to carry the message.
Tulsi needs to be picked for SoS... and put out on the campaign trail as well.
He needs to put his team together and get out there... never mind just the VP.
This is for all the marbles, everything is on the line... from Equality and Liberty... to Property Rights... to WWIII.
We are in that Weimar Republic moment... where either we allow this tyranny to take hold and destroy America, for all time (or at least our lifetimes)... or enough Americans wake up to what is truly going on and we find a way of diverting the disastrous path we are on.
No evidence was considered, they were civil, the Judge determined an outrageously fantastical amount to charge Trump with to cripple him financially and ultimately to attempt to seize all his assets.
This is incorrect. The rape case included evidence, testimony and a jury.
In his fraud case, his lawyers did not request a jury.
The fact that the fraud trial was civil does not mean there was no evidence.
Unlike criminal juries, which can find a defendant guilty only if the evidence is “beyond a reasonable doubt,” the standard for civil juries is a “preponderance of the evidence” not "no evidence"The lie about 'no evidence' is not even worth responding to any longer. We've put evidence into most our posts and these clowns just refuse to accept basic facts. Just another example of the MAGA crowd's complete detachment from reality.
At this point, they are not really bringing much to the discussion. In fact, most of their posts seem more like an attempt to deflect away from the topic of this thread, which is Trump's upcoming criminal trials.I believe evidence that proved beyond any doubt that Trump was not where this was alleged to occur was withheld by the judge... it was made inadmissible.
https://www.pfaw.org/blog-posts/trump-j … med-fears/
Lets not forget, a new law in New York is behind the civil lawsuit brought by Carroll against Trump, the law opened a one-time window for adult sexual assault survivors in New York to file a civil case against an abuser.
Perfect for going after Trump, similar to the motivation/mindset of using a 12 year old tweet to fire someone for being racist... at least in the tweet situation, you have some form of evidence, not just hearsay.Partly.
This trial was not a criminal trial, so there is no question of GUILT or innocence. Trump was found to be liable by the judge.
Alina Habba (Trump's Lawyer) is licensed in New York, but she is a New Jersey lawyer.
She has an office a short drive from Trump’s golf club in Bedminster. Her firm appears to be a vanity practice. It has offices in New York, but in reality, they just have an agreement with some law firm in New York to list their address on their letterhead, in other words, it’s not a real branch.
Problem is, every state does things differently, particularly in civil trials, and as any lawyer can tell you, it’s not the big, sexy questions of law that trip you up, but tiny itty-bitty procedural quirks that are unique to every state.
That’s why you really want to hire a lawyer familiar with procedure in the State where the case/court is.
In New Jersey, litigants request a trial by jury in the pleadings.
New York does this very differently.
After all the pretrial proceedings are complete, the plaintiff, not the defendant files a form called the “Note of Issue”, in which the plaintiff’s attorney checks the box for either a jury trial or a bench trial.
The vast majority of plaintiffs check the “jury trial” box, so the defendant doesn’t need to do anything. However, if the plaintiff checks the “trial by a judge” box, and you want a jury trial, then you have to file a separate request for a jury trial.
Mistakes happen. That’s understandable.
However, in both New York and New Jersey, when a trial date is scheduled, you are notified to appear before the trial assignment judge.
That’s where all the cases scheduled for trial that day go. The assignment judge then assigns you to a trial judge (in New Jersey) or sends you out to pick a jury and then assigns you to a trial judge (in New York).
If you get a notification that tells you to appear for trial at any place other than that huge courtroom where all the lawyers go when they get summoned for trial, that’s your clue that something is wrong. (Unless you’ve never had any case come up for trial, then I guess you wouldn’t have a clue.)
That’s when the Lawyer, not the paralegal, not the secretary, picks up the phone to call the clerk, and say: “Hey. How come my case is being sent to judge numbnutz instead of the presiding trial (assignment) judge?”
This is when you pull up the note of issue, find that little ticked box and spend a few minutes screaming. When you are done screaming, then you go before the judge and throw yourself on the judge’s mercy.
If the Judge refuses to move the case to the jury trial calendar, at least you’ve created a proper appealable record. So... did the Trump team do this, after they 'made a mistake'?
I don't know... it took enough for me to verify these facts, I don't feel like doing any further digging into this trial, at this time.
If they didn't, it was poorly done, that may be why they are in the mess they are in... never expect Court proceedings to be fair, especially in NY, I have had my own experiences there... one of many reasons why I fled that state almost a decade ago now... it is a miserable state in any sense of the word, for working stiffs like myself especially.
That said, all this does not take away from the fact that this is a travesty of justice, an abuse of authority, and a definitive sign of just how dangerous and out of control our 'system' is becoming.
Lets consider if this were Clinton or Obama... how would you feel about it if former Democrat Presidents were having everything they own, along with their rights and freedoms being taken from them?
This shouldn't be about politics... but it is... it is an abuse, and should be seen clearly by any rational person as such. Trust me MANY Real Estate moguls around the world are taking note, many businessmen as well, Elon has some business in NY, he better get ahead of things before they come for him next.'Lets consider if this were Clinton or Obama... how would you feel about it if former Democrat Presidents were having everything they own, along with their rights and freedoms being taken from them? This shouldn't be about politics... but it is... it is an abuse, and should be seen clearly by any rational person as such.'
Actually, the rational would understand that if a grand jury felt the need to indict, there was enough evidence to warrant a trial. That if Clinton or Obama had been defrauding the state for decades for profit, that they should be punished.
The irrational believes the lies that it's simply politics, especially when Trump was already named a co-conspirator in one of the crimes he's been charged with. Or that he attempted to overturn an American election with lies that would have resulted in millions of voters' legal votes being tossed out. In those respects, it is politics - the protection of our elections against future criminality like Trump is alleged to have committed in both 2016 and 2020.
Ken, I find this incredibly difficult to believe.
If so, why is it that this happens only to the Trump camp, and why are there no such cases to the Obama camp, the Bush camp, the Clinton camp or the Biden camp.
To me, if this "convict a person without evidence practices" is only against one camp, I think it to be untrue. As you should see this behaviour towards all camps over the years.You should find his claims unbelievable, because as I listed in my post above, there was plenty of evidence to establish a pattern of conduct, including Trump admitting in an interview that he does exactly what he was claimed to have done.
It is obvious, is it not, that the Obama, Bush, Clinton and Biden camps are all part of the accepted establishment, towing the same line?
Did you know Bush Sr. was former Director of the CIA?
Did you know that Dick Cheney formerly served Nixon and then Ford?
Clearly the Clinton's spent most of their adult lives serving in DC, first Bill, and then Hillary, more than 30 years around the Presidency.
The real question is, is this really about Donald Trump as a person?
Or is it about something broader?
The attacks coming from nearly every major institution in the United States the media, academia the judiciary.
Trump is just the apotheosis. He is the apex of all they hate, in a time when they teach: Mandatory IRS Diversity Training Includes Material From Trans Academic Who Called For ‘Death Of Whiteness’
Trump speaks of America first, when they want to do away with Borders, Nation and Patriotism.
Trump speaks about being the only President in decades not to start a new war or topple another nation, at a time when then want to establish the American hegemony around the world by force.
Obama helped usher in the new polarization of American society, he polarized America as no other president since Woodrow Wilson, not just on issues of race, but also on issues of culture and sexual mores.
We moved from a country where in 2008, Obama campaigned as a proponent of traditional marriage to a country where, by the time he left office, there were open discussions about whether men were women.
Woodrow Wilson, the worst president of all time, a vicious racist who led us into World War I, created the system that led us into World War II, jailed his political opponents for sedition, and created the bureaucratic state that is used against political opponents and American citizens today.
And here we are again, the mechanisms of the state being used to oppress, divide, and attack political opponents for sedition... and every other crime on the books.
And I hate to say, here we are again, on the precipice of World War, evident to all those who can really see. They cannot have a return to Trump, a return to normalcy, a return to peace... it goes against everything those in control today have spent their entire lives working toward.Too terrible. And Trump seems to be the most troubled, and the most hated president in American political history. I wouldn't be surprised if a murder or arson charge, was brought against him.
I almost forgot about it. How is the Mar Largo case going?
Well Cannon ruled against Trump co-defendants this week, asserting they do not have rights to see classified material.
The Supreme Court is taking up the immunity appeal.
And Illinois just ruled Trump does not qualify for the primary ballot due to the 14th Amendment, even though the judge stayed her ruling temporarily.
Trump's attorney complained today that this would be a detriment to Trump's campaign, then the prosecutors pulled out an e-mail from Trump's attorney where he had previously stated that a trial that started on March 25 would not inhibited Trump's campaigning at all. Apparently, they tried to get the trial pushed this late, with the hopes of a further delay that failed to materialize.
You can't make this stuff up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIuudmco8WENot criminal, but New York's civil suit outcome - $364 million for decades of fraud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5sm5b0yoUk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtbgltmFwlgMany voted for him in 2016 because of his supposed business savvy and they believed a businessman would be good for the government. But now it has been determined that the businessman committed fraud and must pay a penalty of almost 350 million dollars.
Is anyone rethinking his business acumen at this point??
He owes almost 450 million in his various cases at this point. That's a lot of red hats. I guess that is why he is pushing to get Lara Trump into the RNC leadership...to fund his legal fees along with monetary judgments.And what we got is Trump running the government in a way that allowed him to personally profit from it by charging the Secret Service exorbitant rates, foreign dignitaries paying him through his hotel, and foreign governments doing favors for Jared and Ivanka, who were both employed in government at the time.
Truth! Preach.
If "preach" is too offensive, testify! In other words...speak, verifiable words!New York State becomes 'legal banana republic'
Legal experts analyzed what they called "breathtaking" civil penalties against former President Donald Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, former Trump Organization Comptroller Jeffrey McConney and ex-CFO Allen Weisselberg – warning other corporations based in the Empire State may realize they could suddenly be put out of business by the state on a political whim.
"[Y]ou just say goodbye to New York, which fits a pattern that many successful people have been doing and leaving New York because New York is just too political, too blue and too punitive – you're seeing that in the business community and among upper income New Yorkers already," Former Bush White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said.
"It's one of the greatest ironies of this case: In the name of protecting businesses in New York, you probably just led to hundreds of businesses looking at potential rentals in Florida because they look and they go, ‘wow, if we fall on the wrong side of the politics in New York, they could sell us off for spare parts’."
Fleischer noted that New York's justice system has descended into a quasi-political entity, in that liberals and Democrats have been placed at the highest levers of power for the past few decades.
"There's very little pressure pushing back on these politicians here (in New York) to stop doing it because it's wrong," Fleischer added.
"So unless the appeals process in New York comes to the rescue, it's become a legal banana republic."
Turley told "The Story" that when Trump very likely appeals the decision, the appellate court – which is higher than the districted Supreme Court in New York – will have to determine whether the former president was subject to a selective prosecution.
He pointed to James' campaign promises which included plans to "be a real pain in [Trump's] a--." [video link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1yj0NKSsuU]
"Clearly, James made this pledge that she was going to bag Donald Trump. And it is part of an overall campaign that seems to be an effort at ‘death by exposure’ both on the civil and criminal side."
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New York's civil law in is unique because the proverbial crime can essentially be victimless, as this was, a fabrication of a AG that was intent on using the NY Justice System to pursue her own desires.
NY does not require that anyone actually lose money and so they were able to come in with a fabricated fraud figure, and then they can just keep adding to it, fines, restrictions, without reason, pure political, pure fabricated nonsense.
When they're imposing fines larger than the budget of some countries, for literally no crime... you better take note if you own any business, any assets at all, this is the America that will become the norm for all of us.
Just give them a few more years... you'll be wishing you stood with Trump then, not because you like him, but because of what this really is... those in power are using their power and authority in the system to destroy all those who would oppose their remaining in control, doing whatever they want, without the People having any recourse... this is the End, total and complete, never have a fair or free election, never speak out against your government without fear of prosecution or death, End.Ken: I'm speechless. I have never heard so many words at once that are so far removed from reason. There. I came up with 16.
" . . .those in power are using their power and authority in the system to destroy all those who would oppose their remaining in control, doing whatever they want, without the People having any recourse."
Ken: Have you heard any of Trump's speeches and/or comments?
Unbelievable. Some actually would excuse him shooting someone.
They've lost their judgement.Ah yes, as if courts have never ruled in such a manner when the plethora of evidence was certain to guarantee a finding. Let us know when there's a legitimate explanation for increasing the actual square footage on an apartment to increase its value. We'll wait...
There are many people who can read the court trials and see these verdicts for what they are...a travesty of justice in the highest degree.
The E. Jean Caroll verdict was an absolute abomination of the justice system. The evidence that wasn't permitted defined the entire trial as a joke.
The recent fraud trial was just as bad. Many New York developers have done the same things as President Donald Trump and some of even worse. I hope real estate developers get the message since this is going to be a legal precedent in New York and leave that state along with the mass exodus of people running away from its corruption.
When you add this to the russia hoax, bogus impeachments and the fbi handling of the classified documents one thing is obvious.
We have a two tiered justice system. The legal cases against President Donald Trump are some of the strongest evidence of it.
Most of this can be categorized as election tampering and nothing more.
I don't think the liberals understand their actions are only making him more popular.Close to 4 years ago now, back when Credence and I were discussing who we preferred most... he wanted Warren and I wanted Tulsi... the one thing I made clear, was that Biden was the worst of ALL options.
Biden was old-school DC corrupt, as dirty and dishonest as they come.
Even I did not know just how bad he would be, how devastating to the nation and the world he would be... honestly, despite at one point in my life being in the thick of it... I had no idea it could get this depraved and openly diabolical.
I had no idea that they could openly and blatantly do the things they are doing and America would tolerate it, that there would even be a chance of an Administration, and the Party that was behind it, even having a chance of keeping control when the next election rolled around.
That to me is the most shocking thing of this all... despite the wars, not-seen-in-decades inflation, forcing transgenders into women's lives, supporting kids being mutilated, our border issues and openly using the FBI, DHS, and DOJ to go after Trump and anyone who supports him that they take note of... the vast majority of Americans should be outraged, infuriated, but they seem pretty OK with it all.
The landslide against Biden should make what happened to Carter vs. Reagan look good in comparison... but I just don't see it... and if that proves to be true, the nation really has no hope of recovery until it hits rock bottom and suffers the type of collapse not seen since... well... the collapse of the USSR. Total implosion and economic devastation.Ken, should we fail to secure victory in 2024, the repercussions will be swift and severe for both those who supported Biden and the broader populace. I anticipate a widespread outcry, albeit tardy like the leadership they chose. A day late and buck short.
However, I really can imagine a majority would vote for Biden. He is frail, and you know my view of his cognitive state.
More popular with the people that believe his many lies, that's for sure. Especially since it's been proven beyond a doubt that the Trump Campaign was colluding with Russia - something no MAGA ever seems to have a problem with by the way.
And the classified documents case was handled very well by the FBI when Trump lied that he had returned everything and was endangering our nation's secrets by showing them off at his golf clubs to people without clearances. Their prize from Trump for executing a legal search warrant from the DOJ - a programmed Trump supporter showed up to their Cincinnati offices to commit a domestic terror attack on them, inspired by Trump's dangerous rhetoric. Meanwhile, Pence and Biden both cooperated fully when they found they were in possession of such material.
The only travesty is that someone who often commits crimes can no longer hide behind his wealth and stature. That he saturated himself in so many places in illegality that his comeuppance is due, with many of his crimes direct violations of election laws - meaning the man committed crimes to get elected and more crimes to try to illegally remain in office. When these crimes are shown, he will cease to be popular with anyone outside his brainwashed cult.It just amazes me how Trumpers can excuse him for all his wrongdoings. They can rationalize his innocence by playing the What About game about Biden, and or use hypothetical scenarios as to why he acts and behaves the way he does. But in my view, I have always seen him as a master-con artist who suffers from malignant narcissism.
Con-artist
When a con artist is caught, their behavior can vary, but there are some common patterns to watch out for:
Denial and Deflection:
Many con artists initially deny any wrongdoing. They may claim they were misunderstood or that they are the real victims. They might deflect blame onto others, pointing fingers at accomplices or external circumstances.
Charm Offensive:
Con artists often rely on their charisma to manipulate people. When caught, they may turn on the charm to regain trust. They might apologize profusely, promise to make amends, and appeal to sympathy.
Aggression and Threats:
Some con artists become aggressive when cornered. They may lash out verbally or even physically. Threats of legal action, retaliation, or exposure of personal secrets are not uncommon.
Disappearance or Reinvention:
When the heat is on, con artists may disappear. They change identities, move to new locations, or go underground. Some reinvent themselves with new scams, hoping to avoid detection.
Playing the Victim:
Con artists may portray themselves as victims of circumstance. They spin elaborate stories of hardship or persecution. This tactic aims to evoke sympathy and distract from their own wrongdoing.
Manipulative Communication:
Even when caught, con artists continue to use manipulative communication. They might gaslight, twist facts, or create confusion to maintain control over the narrative.
Remember that con artists are skilled at deception, and their behavior can be unpredictable. Being aware of these patterns can help you recognize and protect yourself from their tactics.
Malignant Narcissist
A malignant narcissist is an abusive person who derives pleasure from lying, manipulating, and using others to achieve their desires. Let’s explore the characteristics of malignant narcissism:
Signs and Symptoms:
Preoccupation with fantasies of beauty, brilliance, success, and power.
Inability to handle criticism; they may lash out when feeling slighted.
A dark side to their self-absorption, including aggression and manipulation.
Traits of Malignant Narcissists:
Extreme mix of narcissism, antisocial behavior, aggression, and sadism.
Grandiose and always seeking to raise hostility levels.
Undermines families and organizations, dehumanizing those around them.
Behavioral Patterns:
Jealous, petty, and thin-skinned.
Punitive, hateful, cunning, and angry.
Lash out or humiliate others even for minor infractions.
Recognizing a malignant narcissist can help protect yourself from their harmful behavior.
https://www.alternet.org/trump-con-man-2667304708/
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog … ent-reallyIt just amazes me how Trumpers can excuse him for all his wrongdoings. They can rationalize his innocence by playing the What About game about Biden, and/or use hypothetical scenarios as to why he acts and behaves the way he does. But in my view, I have always seen him as a master-con artist who suffers from malignant narcissism.
Con-artist
When a con artist is caught, their behavior can vary, but there are some common patterns to watch out for:
Denial and Deflection:
Many con artists initially deny any wrongdoing. They may claim they were misunderstood or that they are the real victims. They might deflect blame onto others, pointing fingers at accomplices or external circumstances.
Charm Offensive:
Con artists often rely on their charisma to manipulate people. When caught, they may turn on the charm to regain trust. They might apologize profusely, promise to make amends, and appeal to sympathy.
Aggression and Threats:
Some con artists become aggressive when cornered. They may lash out verbally or even physically. Threats of legal action, retaliation, or exposure of personal secrets are not uncommon.
Disappearance or Reinvention:
When the heat is on, con artists may disappear. They change identities, move to new locations, or go underground. Some reinvent themselves with new scams, hoping to avoid detection.
Playing the Victim:
Con artists may portray themselves as victims of circumstance. They spin elaborate stories of hardship or persecution. This tactic aims to evoke sympathy and distract from their own wrongdoing.
Manipulative Communication:
Even when caught, con artists continue to use manipulative communication. They might gaslight, twist facts, or create confusion to maintain control over the narrative.
Remember that con artists are skilled at deception, and their behavior can be unpredictable. Being aware of these patterns can help you recognize and protect yourself from their tactics.
Malignant Narcissist
A malignant narcissist is an abusive person who derives pleasure from lying, manipulating, and using others to achieve their desires. Let’s explore the characteristics of malignant narcissism:
Signs and Symptoms:
Preoccupation with fantasies of beauty, brilliance, success, and power.
Inability to handle criticism; they may lash out when feeling slighted.
A dark side to their self-absorption, including aggression and manipulation.
Traits of Malignant Narcissists:
Extreme mix of narcissism, antisocial behavior, aggression, and sadism.
Grandiose and always seeking to raise hostility levels.
Undermines families and organizations, dehumanizing those around them.
Behavioral Patterns:
Jealous, petty, and thin-skinned.
Punitive, hateful, cunning, and angry.
Lash out or humiliate others even for minor infractions.
Recognizing a malignant narcissist can help protect yourself from their harmful behavior.
https://www.alternet.org/trump-con-man-2667304708/
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog … ent-really
There was a thing called the Mueller report. "The report concludes that the investigation "did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities"
If the classified document case was handled so well, biden would be in jail. They gave him a pass because he's an old man with a bad memory. That is why they didn't pursue it. biden couldn't remember when he was vice president or even when his son died of cancer.
Using the justice system for election interference is a new low...even for democrats who I didn't believe he could sink any lower but always prove me wrong.And then there's the bipartisan Senate report on Russian Election Interference from two years later in 2020 that lays out the numerous meetings (Dates, times, and locations by the way) between Paul Manafort (Campaign Chair), Rick Gates (Deputy Campaign Chair) and Konstantin Kilimnik - a known Russia agent - where Manafort was giving the Russians internal polling data and campaign strategy. Why can't you ever admit that that report exists, Mike? Or do you deny that meeting with Russian agents and passing them campaign strategy and polling data is not colluding with them? It's this kind of denial of reality that is the hallmark of being in the Trump cult. It's irrefutable, and still they cling to their delusions.
Biden is a sitting president. Hur could not have charged him either way, so he invented some lame excuse. Was the government even aware Biden had documents? No. They were aware that Trump did as some notable things were missing. Hence the subpoena - a subpoena not given to Biden or Pence. It's the defiance of the subpoena that got Trump in trouble. No such subpoena existed for Pence or Biden.
The justice system in this case was used to protect our nation's secrets. Or do you not make the ridiculous claim that showing off classified documents at a golf club, as Trump is heard on tape doing, should be allowed? The justice system is used to prosecute those that obstruct justice and willfully (as in defying a subpoena) try and retain classified documents. That is not election interference - the investigation into these crimes happened long before Trump announced any intent to run for office again. The claim that it is, is just the latest in the long line of MAGA delusions to try and play the victim. Sorry, but victims don't commit the crimes first.The Mueller report, both Trump impeachments, the report ended in exoneration. The Democrats have always sunk very low... However, they are really deep in mud at this point, i put nothing past them -- nothing
Ah yes, 'old school DC corrupt,' and yet there is no evidence of that claim whatsoever. Just the latest conspiracy from people detached from reality.
Then the ability to ignore the many causes of global inflation, that the large majority of families that make the choice to enter the transgender community do so with a positive outcome while distorting that choice as 'kids being mutilated' in the most uneducated manner possible, and then claiming Biden has had anything to do with our law enforcement holding lawless Trump and his supporters accountable to the law without a shred of evidence to support that conspiracy - all while most on the right believe Biden to be mental incapacitated. Which is it? Mentally not all there or evil genius able to coordinate a massive plot with GOP Secretaries of State to 'rig' an election and State Attorney Generals to indict his 2024 opponent. We on the left get confused about which Joe Biden you guys believe is in charge with the two conflicting personas of Joe Biden.
The doom and gloom that is preached here, and does not happen by the way as our economy was supposed to have been collapsed by now according to the same person who makes these ridiculous prognostications, is the hyperbole I posted about before the weekend that Bill Maher called out.
The right is in a constant state of fearmongering that it must be sad to live in their own lives. I truly feel sorry for them, right up until they let that fear cause them to make terror threats or commit an act of violence against their own government as we have seen multiple times. The things that the FBI, DHS, and DOJ are actually going after and that some in these forums seem intent on trying to defend as excusable based on party affiliation. That's also sad, that someone sees party ahead of the laws of our land, but it's another form of the brainwashing they have been subjected to. Their party are all victims who never broke a law. While in reality, those that are being held to account have violated our laws.
Either way, if someone needs to fearmonger about Biden, maybe they should start their own thread and do so there. This one is about the many criminal trials about Donald J. Trump and the allegations that he broke many laws in many jurisdictions.It's a shame those on the left embrace corruption and use it as a tool to achieve their goals.
This is all they have.It's a shame that those on the right invent corruption of the left without any proof and try and defame others to achieve their goals.
This is all they have, fabrications and delusions.In my view, it's the only tool they have. Biden and his administration have made such a mess of the country, and they know it. They look foolish to the entire world.
The only foolish people are the ones unable to acknowledge the strong recovery from the pandemic. And that happens daily in here.
There's been no sign of recovery. Gas prices in Michigan are at $3.30 and climbing, along with increased costs in utilities, housing, home purchases, health insurance, cars (both new and used), groceries, travel, dining out, and even at Starbucks. This isn't a recovery; it feels more like a diversion tactic to distract from the real issues. I need not look any further than what I am now spending to know Biden ruined our economy, and he did it in record time... I must almost laugh if it were not so very sad.
No sign of recovery? Maybe you just cannot recognize any of the signs. The jobs lost under Trump are back, plus millions more to bring unemployment down from that 6.3% to 3.7%, with many of those jobs being blue collar jobs thanks to an infrastructure package that the previous administration failed to pass despite the obvious need for one. The stock market is hitting highs. GDP has been above what both Trump and Obama were hitting. That's not exactly a 'ruined' economy, and even Fox News pundits are giving the Biden administration credit for bringing down inflation numbers without causing a full-on recession.
Are there still price increases since pre-pandemic, sure. That's still an issue. But blaming Biden solely for those increases when supply chains had an effect, and those supply chains were damaged long before Biden came into office, is just partisan hyperbole and cultish behavior to be unable to admit some of the inflationary causes happened on Trump's watch.
So the people who are laughing are the ones laughing at the asinine claims that Biden has 'ruined the economy,' because it is just not based in fact, but in delusion, like so many other MAGA claims these days.
This is from Politico:
Former President Donald Trump has long touted what he says are strong relationships with high profile leaders on the world stage, but they actually think he’s a ‘laughing fool, according to John Bolton, Trump’s former national security adviser.
During the CNN town hall last week, Trump said he could end Russia’s war in Ukraine in one day if he wins reelection to the White House. The war never would have happened, Trump said, if he won a second term in 2020. That’s hard to believe on both counts, Bolton said.
“I have been in those rooms with him when he met with those leaders, I believe they think he’s a laughing fool. And the idea that somehow his presence in office would have deterred Putin is flatly wrong,” he said on CNN Tuesday morning, naming the Russian, Chinese and North Korean leaders in particular.
Trump also doesn’t “think in terms of winning and losing” when it comes to the war, the former president told host Kaitlan Collins during the town hall.
That, combined with his insistence that he could negotiate with Putin to end the war in a day, “shows he’s utterly out of touch what the war is all about and what the implications of Russia’s aggression against Ukraine are all around the world,” Bolton said.Mike, what Bolton said sounds sensible. You very well know me and you are not talking as politicians. Bolton, as someone within the inner circle of Trump, talk truth. Three decades ago, they was this late Chief Obafemi Awolowo, a Nigerian, shot for the Presidency of Nigeria. He promised 300 Nairas day one he become Head of State and Government. But did Awo, won the presiddntial election? No. His country folks still demands it from his party governors. Awo died a year later. And that end the matter. those who voted for the present Nigeria president thinks now that he was a deceiver, as he's yet to fulfilled the 'living wage' promise.
As I said before, John Bolton was fired from his position as National Security Advisor by President Donald Trump.
He is an angry former employee."He is an angry former employee."
Or he is someone who had an extended daily view of Trump and is speaking out in service of the country?
I have absolutely no reason to disregard Bolton's insights.
But let's not forget that Bolton says he planned to resign, even had a letter and Trump told him to wait until Monday... Then fired him.
But what about...
Mark Esper: “I think he’s unfit for office. … He puts himself before country. His actions are all about him and not about the country. And then, of course, I believe he has integrity and character issues as well.”
Rex Tillerson: “(Trump’s) understanding of global events, his understanding of global history, his understanding of US history was really limited. It’s really hard to have a conversation with someone who doesn’t even understand the concept for why we’re talking about this.”
HR McMaster: “We saw the absence of leadership, really anti-leadership, and what that can do to our country.”. "President Trump and other officials have repeatedly compromised our principles in pursuit of partisan advantage and personal gain.”
John Kelly: “A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law. There is nothing more that can be said. God help us.”
His first secretary of the Navy, Richard Spencer: “…the president has very little understanding of what it means to be in the military, to fight ethically or to be governed by a uniform set of rules and practices.”
His White House lawyer, Ty Cobb: “Trump relentlessly puts forth claims that are not true.
His first homeland security adviser, Tom Bossert: “The President undermined American democracy baselessly for months. As a result, he’s culpable for this siege, and an utter disgrace.”
Former Attorney General Bill Barr compared Trump to a "defiant" child in a Sunday interview, saying the former president is "a consummate narcissist" and "a very petty individual who will always put his interests ahead of the country's."
John Kelly said Trump "doesn't know any history at all, even some of the basics,"
Fiona Hill "Some leaders, like President Erdogan of Turkey, would get angry in meetings or on calls when Trump obviously had no idea what they were talking about."
"Trump's lack of knowledge and refusal to do his homework was a major liability for US national security"
Mike Pompeo: "We need more seriousness, less noise, and leaders who are looking forward, not staring in the rearview mirror claiming victimhood.”
Mike Pence: "He asked me to put him over the Constitution and I chose the Constitution, and I always will.”
And these are the people that in the beginning, Trump called his "best people". And this only scratches the surface. It's hard for me to believe that all of them have an ax to grind.
Currently, Trump has shown us his compete lack of m character and morality by failing to condemn Putin's murder of Navalny. Trump and MAGA are Putin/ Russia sympathizers and apologists.
Navalny's death also serves to highlight the increasing importance of aid to Ukraine that MAGA is holding up.
MAGA Republicans’ hatred and contempt for Zelensky and the Ukrainian cause is shockingly vehement. Candace Owens says she wants to “punch” Zelensky. Donald Trump Jr. calls him an “international welfare queen.” Carlson says he dresses “like the manager of a strip club.”
To MAGA, Putin isn’t just innocent; he’s admirable and heroic. Wall Street journal summed it up MAGA and Trump today in two words... Moral blindness."Trump and MAGA are Putin/ Russia sympathizers and apologists."
I can honestly say I am not a putin/russia sympathizer and apologist. Anybody who has read anything on this forum I've written on the topic will agree with that statement.
You've really not referenced anyone whose opinion I value.
I view this topic as one more vain attempt to smear President Donald Trump to get the attention off of the HUGE failings of biden and the democrat party. It's called deflection.
There are many who can see this for what it is. The left is now turning into a broken record.
Now IF the left showed the same level of concern for biden's connections with communist China and the corruption of him and his son, I may think they are objective.
I doubt democrats and the left will ever free themselves of their double standards and hypocrisy.Now IF the left showed the same level of concern for biden's connections with communist China and the corruption of him and his son, I may think they are objective.
I have not seen Comer or Jordan present any such evidence. The FBI informant, who they called "highly credible" was just arrested and charged with 2 felony counts: one for making a false statement to a government agent and another for falsification of records in a federal investigation.
My question...did Comer know the guy was lying? Or did he just not bother to fully validate the claims made by this man? I mean Comer is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.You know what's troubling for me?
The fact that MAGA is simultaneously receiving help from Russian intelligence services (Smirnov) in their disinformation campaign against Biden and withholding support for Ukraine. Throw in the fact that Trump is encouraging Russia to attack our allies while refusing to condemn Putin for murdering Navalny. MAGA'S pro Putin, pro Russian stance is quite clear and extremely troubling
Today, Biden adds 500 sanctions against Russia. That's what I want to see.
I'm sickened by those in this country who make excuses for and praise Putin's murderous autocracy and are content with Russian expansionism.
Those who oppose aid to Ukraine may as well be in Putin's army. He has made no secret that if Ukraine falls, Poland is next. LOL he has blamed Poland for World war II.
I don't want to see our country capitulating. I want a boot on Putin's neck at all times..."Seriously? Deputy Treasury Secretary Wally Adeyemo stated Thursday night that the sanctions serve two purposes: "reducing Russia’s revenues" and "ensuring Russia can’t access the goods they need to build weapons for their war." (ARE you kidding or being sarcastic?)
Why is the US against the pipeline?
The almost $11bn (£8.4bn) Nord Stream 2 project has infuriated the US, with both Republican and Democratic lawmakers opposing it.
The Trump administration fears the pipeline will tighten Russia's grip over Europe's energy supply and reduce its own share of the lucrative European market for American liquefied natural gas." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50875935
It's laughable! Joe's too little, too late! THESE ACTIONS should've been taken on DAY ONE of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Not years later... How can anyone see this as anything other than a transparent election maneuver? Closing Russian pipelines to Europe should've been immediate...
But no, the pipeline was a go, providing Russia with ample support for their war. Do you ever reflect on this administration's past mistakes and the mess they've created? Or do you simply ignore over three years of inaction, pretending it's problem-solving? Real solutions demand intelligence and strength, qualities sorely lacking here.
Trump had a boot on Putin's neck. I suggest you look at the sanctions Trump put on Russia starting with this --
"President Donald Trump has signed a law that will impose sanctions on any firm that helps Russia's state-owned gas company, Gazprom, finish a pipeline into the European Union.
"The sanctions target firms building Nord Stream 2, an undersea pipeline that will allow Russia to increase gas exports to Germany. The US considers the project a security risk to Europe. Both Russia and the EU have strongly condemned the US sanctions."
So what did BIDEN DO --- Kiss butt due to his global agenda.
"WASHINGTON, May 19, 2021 (Reuters) - The Biden administration waived sanctions on the company behind Russia's Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline to Germany and its chief executive, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said on Wednesday, a move decried by critics of the project in Congress. May 19, 2021" https://www.reuters.com/business/energy … ay%2019%20(Reuters),of%20the%20project%20in%20Congress.
Note --- Russia start troop build-up on the Ukraine border?
In March and April 2021, prior to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine
Biden Ignored the sanctions Trump that had them selling little oil --- to selling historic amounts of oil. He supplied them with billions in oil revenue to support terrorism. (one should be asking oneself why)
I'm more worried about the decisions being made by President Biden and his advisors. His poor decisions have proven to be detrimental to the country. It's surprising to me that you aren't recognizing these last-minute political maneuvers for what they are.India, China and Turkey all ramped up their purchases of Russian oil last year and together they now make up 70% of all Russian crude flows by sea.
In 2021, more than half of all Russia's crude oil exports went to countries in Europe. But in 2022, UK imports of oil from Russia fell sharply and other European countries have cut back too.
So in terms of oil revenue, we can clearly see the effect of India and China propping up Russia. Within the last several years, India alone has increased its purchases of Russian oil by 1800% The two countries have replaced most of Russia's Western customers. What do we do with this?
In terms of Trump's sanctions I'd say that those were more of Congress' sanctions.
They passed a bipartisan bill in July 2017 imposing new sanctions against Russia, even though Trump administration officials
tried to water down the language. Trump reluctantly signed the bill, but claimed the new law contained "clearly unconstitutional provisions." Trump had little choice in the matter because the bill had passed with veto-proof majorities: 419-3 in the House and 98-2 in the Senate.
It's surprising to me that you aren't recognizing these last-minute political maneuvers for what they are
Why should I believe the current sanctions placed on Russia are a political maneuver rather than
the appropriate reaction to the murder of Navalny? Would everyone feel better if there was just no reaction from our country at all? I'd find it despicable actually. Just as I find Trump's silence as a form of support for Putin.
I am a little confused on the Nord stream 2 pipeline commentary. This is an area that I am definitely not well read on. Are you saying that Biden did not impose sanctions?
Sanctions were imposed, it looks like the day after Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Is the Republican nominee, Trump is silent on specific foreign policy. Lots of complaints, lots of grievance and accusation but nothing of substance. Why the silence on Navalny? How would he have handled this? Would he have applied sanctions? Or no?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo … -stream-2/
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 … -barack-o/
https://www.dw.com/en/russia-pivots-oil … a-67831351"Why should I believe the current sanctions placed on Russia are a political maneuver rather than
the appropriate reaction to the murder of Navalny?"
This seems like an ongoing problem to me. What gives the US the right, ethical, moral or legal, to fine and cause harm to another nation...because it does not have the same laws and attitudes the US does? The question is doubled because, in spite of assumptions and many statements to the contrary, we have no evidence that Putin murdered Navalny.
We are NOT the policeman of the world; why then are we taking such an action at all? Do not other countries have autonomy over their own laws and their own cultural norms within their own borders?As a relative note, in an interview with some pundit, I heard that some of those sanctioned 'friends and associates' see their sanction as a 'badge of honor.'
After two years of war and its escalating sanctions, it seems probable that those "friends and associates" have already moved their money to where the West can't reach it. *shrug*
GAThe corrupt cabal in control of DC is determined to escalate the war, despite Americans not wanting it, and some sane Patriots in Congress trying to stop it.
Foreign Aid Bill is Time Bomb in case Trump wins:
-Limits Trump's Peace-making Power Over Ukraine,
-Lays Foundation for Impeachment,
-Ensures Trump will be Wartime President
Uniparty Strategy ... not the Will of the People.
Thump sanctions on that pipeline should have been kept in place. I offered sources on Joe doing away with the sanctions. He alone provided Russia with an increase in oil revenue every year since he walked into the White House. He helped Russia and pay for their war --- we are using taxpayer money to support Ukraine. Go figure. He is an idiot.
He alone provided Russia with an increase in oil revenue
That statement would be ignoring the impact of Russia's friends. Who provided Russia with an increase in oil revenue. China, India and Turkey. Certainly not Biden.
But why the silence on Navalny though? This is okay? MAGA feels no need to comment? Personally, I would like to know what a MAGA administration would have done. I don't need to hear anymore about Trump's personal grievances but more on actual policy matters. At this point we also need to hear a whole lot more about Jordan and comer potentially colluding with a Russian asset.I'm curious about what this Navalny was. Why was he murdered?
Well, then we must also consider the natural gas pipeline --- How much EU pay for Russian natural gas?
Conclusions. The EU has reduced its energy imports from Russia since February 2022. However, it has not eliminated its dependence totally, particularly on gas. In the next 12 months, the EU could still pay €21 billion to Russia for gas, rising to as much as €55 billion. Mar 23, 2023"
Trump sanctions Russia pipeline Dec 2019 https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/u … -pipeline/
WASHINGTON, May 19 2021 (Reuters) - The Biden administration waived sanctions on the company behind Russia's Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline to Germany and its chief executive, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said on Wednesday, a move decried by critics of the project in Congress.
In March and April 2021, prior to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Russian Armed Forces began massing thousands of personnel and military equipment near Russia's border with Ukraine.
I would think Biden should have kept Trump's sanctions on the pipeline Nordstrom 2. Russia would most certainly have not made the profit it did off natural gas if Biden had left the sanctions in place. Please evaluate the chart below.
It is clear Russia raked in tons of cash to support their war in 2021 and 2022, and the first couple months of 2023
I will cut to the chase -- do you feel lifting Trump's sanctions that inhibited the natural gas flow to the EU was a good idea on Biden's part?
Charts can be very sobering... They
OIL -- 2022 The value of Russian exports of crude oil amounted to over 110.1 billion U.S. dollars in 2021, up 52 PERCENT from the previous year. The 2020 export value was the LOWEST over the past decade.Oct 6, 2023
https://www.statista.com/statistics/102 … %20decade.
https://energypost.eu/russias-oil-expor … price-cap/
In my view it is very clear why Putin shared he hopes to see Biden win in 2024.There were sanction waivers of Nordstream in May of 2021.
The Biden administration imposed sanctions on a Nordstream Feb 23 2022.
During Trump's term he actually refused to add additional sanctions on Russia and loosened other sanctions in place.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administra … essary-at/
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/01/tr … ed-states/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-admi … der-obama/
Sanctions that were eventually imposed were initially opposed by Trump and we're only implemented because Congress passed them with veto proof numbers. He opposed the bill.
https://www.politico.eu/article/trump-s … e-opposed/
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/timelin … d=50733408Dec 2019 - Christmas came early for Ukraine and much of Europe after US President Donald Trump signed an omnibus defense bill that included sanctions stopping completion of a major new Russian gas pipeline to Germany.
The Nord Stream 2 undersea pipeline was just weeks away from completion when, on December 20, the US President signed a bill that stopped the contractor, Allseas Group of Switzerland, from further work. Allseas has proprietary technology to do such specialized work, and threats by the US government against the company legally and financially forced it to immediately suspend work.
WASHINGTON, May 19 (Reuters) - The Biden administration waived sanctions on the company behind Russia's Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline to Germany and its chief executive, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said on Wednesday, a move decried by critics of the project in Congress. May 19, 2021
September 2021
The construction of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline was completed in September 2021. "Nord Stream 2 is a 1,200km-long offshore natural gas pipeline constructed to connect Europe to the world’s largest reserves in Northern Russia. It is an expansion of the existing Nord Stream pipeline and is expected to supply energy to approximately 26 million households a year, with a capacity of 55 billion cubic metres (Bcm). The energy delivered by the proposed infrastructure project will be equivalent to the amount of energy transported using between 600 and 700 liquified natural gas (LNG) tankers.
Russia’s state-owned Gazprom completed the construction of the €9.5bn ($11bn) pipeline in September 2021 and will own and operate it through its subsidiary Nord Stream 2."
https://www.offshore-technology.com/pro … 20Gazprom.
hopefully, you had a look at the charts, they are accurate, and give one a factual idea of the large revenues that flowed into Russia from natural gas and oil. This mimics Iran's windfall of cash due to Biden looking the other way in regard to sanctions... https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic … -oil-sales
I find it very clear why we have two wars, and what's funny we offered all the cash to Iran, and Russia to pay for the wars, and we are on the other hand providing taxpayers money to Israel, and Ukraine. This is laughable.
I can say with confidence, that none of what we see today, from the border, to inflation to the two expensive wars would have occurred under Trump. Hey, that is my opinion.Yes I agree but Biden did reintroduce sanctions the day after the war in Ukraine started. There was only a period of approximately 7 months where sanctions were not in place. If we go back and look at Trump's time in office he was almost always opposed to various Russian sanctions. He was, for the most part, forced by Congress to accept their votes for sanctions that were veto proof. But there are many, many accounts of him speaking out against sanctions.
What sanctions Did he initiate on Russia? The sanctions were nothing substantial. They were nothing to stop the money flow into Russian coffers. Wars are supported with cash. Joe kept that cash flowing in large amounts.
None of Biden's policies make any true common sense. In my view, he has got this country on the wrong path. I shudder to think why... And who might be actually behind his decision-making?in February 2022, the US, UK and EU, along with countries including Australia, Canada and Japan, have imposed more than 16,500 sanctions on Russia. Biden just added 500 more.
I have not found a source that actually lists all of them but the treasury department does have a a searchable database but it is extremely large and cumbersome. There are just far too many to go through. This bbc publication does do an overview.
When The war began, I remember that many media outlets did a good job at the time covering and explaining sanctions as they rolled out. Countries do have ways of evading sanctions though, especially when you partner up with China. I don't think that has anything to do with Biden though.
"Since February 22, 2022, the United States has imposed over two thousand list-based sanctions on Russia.'
What sanctions would you impose that haven't been?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/129 … -by-actor/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60125659I can remember so many commenting on the weak non-sensical sanctions Biden put on Russia... I suggest you read the many sanctions Trump put on Russia in his 4 years. Many were crushing their economy. Hit them where it hurt. Biden supplied Russia with more cash than they had seen in a very long time. You are not commenting on the fact the revenue from oil and natural gas made Russia very rich and supplied money to conduct a long war, in which many people civilians as well as the military have lost their lives.
Russia has sold nearly all its oil well above the West's price ...
Reuters
Nov 23, 2023 — Russia has succeeded in selling almost all of its oil well above a Western-imposed price cap of $60 per barrel,
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy … 023-11-23/
Russia's oil and gas revenue windfall
Jan 21, 2022 — Russia's sales of oil and natural gas far exceeded initial forecasts for 2021 as a result of skyrocketing prices, accounting for 36% of the https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/ … 022-01-21/
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/2 … s-00142713[b]Biden supplied Russia with more cash than they had seen in a very long time. You are not commenting on the fact the revenue from oil and natural gas made Russia very rich and supplied money to conduct a long war,[b/]
Biden did enact sanctions to address these areas. How do you suggest we would go after Russia for subverting them with the help of India and China? How does that work. If you have others in the world that are willing to help another country subvert sanctions to their own benefit, how far do you go in punishing all of them? At any given time, not every nation in the world will support another Nations sanctions. How do we force them to?
Sounds like a World war III scenario.It does, doesn't it?
That was ALWAYS where this was most likely headed.
For BlackRock it might be great, for the MIC that fills out all those NATO orders its been great, but for millions of Ukrainians it brought ruination and death.
The brilliant minds in DC and Brussels hoped they could collapse the Russian economy, this did not happen.
They hoped that they could instigate an overthrow of Putin, this did not happen.
Putin's grip on power is stronger than ever.
The Russian economy is doing well it was able to shift to a wartime footing industrially and is now manufacturing arms and ammo far in excess to what America and its allies can keep up with, at this time.
In other words... the tide of the war has shifted in Russia's favor and will continue to do so. The only way to change that now, is a World War.
Or accept Ukraine's defeat and Russia's terms. Or leave Ukraine to fend for itself and forget all about it, like we did with Libya.
Closing the pipelines... This is where the better part of where Russia earns their cash. No money no war. Guess the EU nations would be very cold, but the Ukrainians that have been killed would be alive.
Oh and maybe sanction these guys --- European banks still in Russia: should they stay or should they go?
https://www.thebanker.com/European-bank … 1679043431
So what is worse?
Wanting to avoid war, wanting to normalize relations (world trade) with Russia... ... or feeding money to Russia and Iran with one hand, while instigating them into military action with another?
There are layered levels of ongoing issues, a web of complexities that are never discernable on the surface... made harder to see clearly by the fact that the MSM distorts or disregards a lot of what happens.
What are big deals are hardly made mention of.
Jan 31 (Reuters) - Egypt, Ethiopia, Iran, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates have confirmed they are joining the BRICS bloc after being invited last year.
Saudia Arabia and the UAE trading oil in the Chinese Yuan, 80% of global oil sales were done in dollars, and Saudi Arabia had conducted its deals exclusively in the greenback since 1974.
The shift of these two nations away from the dollar is a big deal, these changes occurred because of Biden, his actions against Russia, his threats and insults to the Saudi Royal Family, his funding of Iran.
These things weave together on the international stage, and no Administration in living memory has done more to harm American interests and its position in the world than the Biden Administration.
Solid job.
Almost makes you think they wanted war, and open borders, and a collapsing economy.Oh, it certainly does Ken... We offer up taxpayers cash by multi-billions to Ukraine and Israel and make sure the opposite warriors have cash to fight on. It is comical is it not? Oh, and then we offer to come in and rebuild. Pretty half-ass backward.
This is called deflection.
NY ruling against president Donald Trump will have far reaching ramifications.
Again, I don't know if the left is able to comprehend what they've just done to business in New York. I don't think they're able to comprehend much of what they do. That was the case with one of the most stupid moves the world has ever seen, defund the police. Then there were all the crooked prosecutors who let criminals go. There is also the mayor of NYC giving money monthly to illegal immigrants, when this was not done for homeless Americans. Students in high school, veterans, etc. are kicked to the curb for illegal immigrants.
All of it is insanity.
The left tends to destroy any place where it gains control.
Is this surprising since John Bolton was fired by President Donald Trump?
Sharlee,
Truth and reality are like kryptonite to democrats. They run from it like cockroaches run from the light.
The country is in bad shape right now. The southern border is worse than it has ever been in the history of our country. Inflation is way out of control and now there are two major wars happening. People are buying much less because they can't afford it and businesses around the country are suffering.
When you add this to the democrats corruption of the judicial system in order to interfere with an election, we live in scary times.These are indeed frightening times... Yet, I maintain hope and faith in the American people. When faced with adversity, common sense prevails. One undeniable truth is that...
There's been no sign of recovery. Gas prices are at heads up, and never did fall to what we were paying under Trump. All out-of-pocket costs are climbing, we see increased costs in utilities, housing, buying a home, health insurance, cars (both new and used), groceries, travel, dining out, you name it. This isn't a recovery, and these costs are here to stay. This administration thinks they can play a shell game... Not working, not working at all.
I don't think they get it, they are so obsessed with TDS and their obsession of taking control and power over everything they can't even see what they are doing.
4 years ago I was happy to move on from Trump (but NOT to Biden... Tulsi, someone else rational, not the corrupt DC slimeball Biden).
Now.... I could care less what Trump says... what he does... they have abused the system so much, they have made their abuse of power so obvious, it really doesn't matter, I will vote for him no matter what they find him "guilty" of.
Hopefully enough of America sees what is going on and decides the same.I am always shocked and stunned that they don't see these as show trials.
The democrats have abused their corruption right now. It is to the point that it is only benefiting President Donald Trump.
He was found guilty of fraud when there was no victim. All the banks who gave him loans were completely paid back. How could he have committed a fraud when there was no victims and only satisfied business partners?
It was a show trial and a huge perversion of the justice system.
Split Biden? So they're '2' bidens? Which one is the sane Head Of Government? Which is puppet...?
I am in agreement about the malignant narcissism that is on full display with regards to Trump. It doesn't really take training to see his behavior fits all the patterns. And yet, that kind of mental disorder is not disqualifying for his cult. Just the opposite, the cruelty is the point, I believe. They have been programmed since the days of Gingrich to view their fellow Americans as the enemy, even siding with someone like Putin over our own country because he assists them in their goals. The word traitor comes to mind to describe in this instance.
Playing the victim might work with his base, but it's not going to help him explain away the many crimes he committed in a court of law. The selective prosecution claim he made in the Florida case, the same one Mike bought into recently, ignores the many actions only Trump took, that neither Biden or Pence took, the ones that resulted in the crimes that are charged.'You've really not referenced anyone whose opinion I value.'
We know. There's only one opinion that MAGA values, and why we all think it's a cult.It's interesting that all the Trumpers on here voice their opinions, but without any sources. While the dems seem to always present their sources. I know I always try to.
The facts and the truth can smack them right in their faces, but they just always use, The What About Biden ploy and poor Trump he is so Victimized by those mean dems.
They don't realize that playing the victim is the behavior of a con-man when they have been caught in their con. His malignant narcissisms is always on display.
He just said that he is like Navalny. Instead of feeling sorry for the man, he makes his death all about him.
If he was a normal person, he would have accepted the fact that he lost the election to Biden and there would have been a peaceful transfer of power.
But his malignant narcissism took over. Now he is trying to beat the clock, so that he becomes president and pardons himself from all his self imposed BS. I have always said he is his own worst enemy."There's only one opinion that MAGA values, and why we all think it's a cult."
It's strange but true.
The English language has over a million words. There is not one that truly expresses how much I don't care what the left thinks about anything. I don't think there is a word in the English language that properly describes how dishonest and corrupt I find those on the left and the democrat party.
Maybe there is something in old English or middle English, I don't know, I'd have to look into it.
Or you could be a Trump appointee and just fabricate the evidence against Democrats as Hunter's lawyers have proved:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmLmmNs69c8That Ken believes there was anything normal about a Trump presidency is one of the greatest rewrites of history ever.
Trump obstructed justice to protect a nation that attacked our elections in 2016. His lack of education helped usher in a global pandemic that decimated economies, led to a rise in crime, and is one of the main causes of the flood of immigrants to our southern border from Central America.
There's nothing normal about a net-negative jobs gain or $7.9 trillion added to the country's national debt in just one presidential term. There certainly is nothing normal about coddling murderous dictators and alienating allies on the world stage.
Trump was an embarrassment as a president and violated our laws to become elected and to try and remain in power, even organizing and inciting a domestic terror attack on his own Congress because they dared to do their duty and certify his election loss. To many Americans, the enforcement of our sedition laws is more than warranted based on the actions that were taken by Trump and his followers and their domestic terror threats and attacks against their own nation.
So yes, this is about Trump as a person. The person that is Donald Trump is alleged to have violated his oath to the Constitution in multiple ways and he will get to have his day in court to prove otherwise.I thoroughly enjoyed the Hannity interview featuring Alan Dershowitz, finding his expertise in law particularly intriguing, especially in relation to the New York fraud case against Trump. His insights lent a compelling perspective to what seemed like a "trumped" up case. Sounds as if Letitia put her foot in her mouth.
"Letitia James ought to be brought up before the bar: Alan Dershowitz"
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6347058557112
https://theamericantribune.com/alan-der … m=facebookShe was campaigning for the position of attorney general. Certainly, the same standards that protect political speech should apply to candidate Leticia James. Maybe Dershowitz should brush up on the laws regarding political speech and what is allowed.
It's possible. Prior to Trump's presidency, his statements were often regarded as trustworthy and authoritative. However, it appears that a portion of the population now questions or disagrees with many of his remarks. I might be showing my age, but I still hold the belief that he excels in matters related to constitutional law, which is an area where I think he shines.
Dershowitz is focusing on there were no damages, therefore, there is no case. However, he is not being fined for damages, he is being fined because of fraud. He committed fraud for years by inflating the price of his assets to get bigger loans from the banks.
The judge ruled when powerful people cheat to get better loans, it comes at the expense of honest and hardworking people. Everyday Americans cannot lie to a bank to get a mortgage to buy a home, and if they did, our government would throw the book at them.
There simply cannot be different rules for different people. No one is above the law, including Trump, although he may thinks he is.
https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2024/at … nald-trump"He committed fraud for years by inflating the price of his assets to get bigger loans from the banks."
This is something that is done by real estate developers all over the country. Banks don't usually care as long as the loan gets repaid.
So, there were no victims and President Donald Trump is found guilty of something that is done on a daily basis by all real estate developers.
This was another kangaroo court. The judge only wanted to punish President Donald Trump."He committed fraud for years by inflating the price of his assets to get bigger loans from the banks. "
It's surprising that many seem unaware of the thorough scrutiny involved in large bank loans. Banks meticulously assess the borrower's background, the collateral offered, and the details of any real estate ventures being funded. It's notable that despite this level of scrutiny, no bank has come forward to accuse Trump of fraud. This fact seems to be overlooked by many.
"There simply cannot be different rules for different people. No one is above the law, including Trump, although he may thinks he is."
How can you be certain that the banks suffered harm? Or that they treated Trump unfairly? No complaints or accusations of fraud have been brought forward by any of them. The evidence indicates that he fulfills his obligations under individual loan agreements. Therefore, your assertion appears to be more of a personal opinion. Personally, I tend to value the informed perspective of Alan Dershowitz on this matter.
It's concerning to observe a diminishing sense of common sense among certain individuals in today's society. It's important to recognize that banks, both domestically and internationally, conduct thorough evaluations of every aspect of a loan before granting millions to any borrower.
I don't mean to offend, but I'm genuinely surprised that you seem to have embraced this perspective.You're right, the banks did not allege fraud, the state did. If every person was allowed to file fraudulent documents to receive more favorable loan terms, the system could end up crashing due to the volatility created by securing loans that are at greater risk of default. That is the harm that this case seeks to avoid in the future.
The mere filing of fraudulent documents in itself violates state laws. The fact that the loan was repaid is immaterial to the violation of the law in this case.I found this to be an interesting case. Fraud was committed (apparently by exaggerating the size of the real estate), but there was no harm done and no one got hurt.
The bank failed miserably in it's duty to examine the property and get it's own evaluation of the value, but there was still no harm done.
So how did the court come up with the fine? Pull it out of a hat? $350,000,000 seems like quite a bit given no one was harmed.That is false, it was standard procedure, the norm for Real Estate transactions.
That is why so many people are freaking out over it, the typically non-political persons that only pay attention to how it impacts their ability to make money and protect their assets.
They no likey what they are seeing.It's not the norm to misclassify real estate (social club versus private residence) as Trump did with Mar-a-Lago to then inflate by unrealistic figures. It's not the norm to overstate the size of real estate and then prevent people from doing an actual audit of their own to verify it for themselves.
The figure was arrived at by tabulating how much Trump received in 'ill-gotten' gains through his fraud:
https://reason.com/2024/02/19/how-a-jud … nst-trump/
From the article, near the end:
The difference between the interest rates that lenders charged based on Trump's personal financial guarantee and the rates they would have charged without it was crucial to Engoron's calculation of how much the defendants should disgorge. Over their vigorous objections, he accepted the numbers offered by a state witness, investment bank CEO Michiel McCarty, who compared the rate that Deutsche Bank charged the Trump Organization based on Trump's personal guarantee with the rate it proposed for a loan without that guarantee. By McCarty's calculation, the Trump Organization saved a total of about $168 million in interest on loans for four projects.
By itself, that estimate accounts for nearly half of the disgorgement that Engoron ordered. He also included nearly $127 million in "net profits" from the 2022 sale of the Old Post Office in Washington, D.C., which Trump had converted into a hotel. That deal, James argued, was facilitated "through the use of false SFCs," without which it would not have happened. She also argued that "without the ill-gotten savings on interest rates, defendants would not even have been able to invest in the Old Post Office and/or other projects."Wow. Just wow. No damage done, but the judge raised the interest rate (which the bank did not get) and took the profit from a contract (which the buyer did not get, either).
Yes, the "justice" system is alive and well, although not concerned much about "justice".No damage done? The banks might not have alleged damage, but the difference between the interest rates charged (and those that Trump should have only been eligible for without the fraudulent financial statements) certainly allowed Trump to profit from his fraud. Any time you make profit from fraud, that's certainly an injustice.
Banks conduct property appraisals before granting collateral loans. This appraisal helps the bank determine the value of the property being used as collateral and assess its suitability for securing the loan. By appraising the property, the bank can ensure that it is worth an amount sufficient to cover the loan amount in case the borrower defaults. This practice helps mitigate risks for the lender and provides assurance that the collateral has adequate value to support the loan.
This is just a fact. If a bank finds a problem with the owner's appraisal of a given property they would address it if they felt it necessary. The bank makes the final decision to loan.And yet, the bank was denied the appraisal of Trump's apartment and only had his word to go on. Those are the facts from this case. They certainly made a choice from there, but that choice led to more favorable terms that Trump would not have gotten if they had been able to accurately appraise the true value of his property.
Trump's fraudulent value led to his profiting from those loan terms, which is a violation of state law. The state is recouping the profits from that fraud."the bank was denied the appraisal of Trump's apartment"
The bank could have gotten an appraisal from many different real estate sources. They could have even held up the loan until an appraisal was done. This happens all the time.
Sorry, if this is something claimed by a bank, it's a pretty pathetic bank.The bank didn't claim anything, the bank was happy with the results.
This was created, crafted, and collected by the State for political purposes.
Keywords "They made a choice" This is an undisputable fact, and they did not bring any form of legal action against Trump. The bank also profited by giving the loan at the terms they sought fit to offer.
No, they didn't, because as you say, the bank wanted to make a profit. However, the multiple instances of fraud committed by Trump reduced the bank's profit, hence the state action. Like I've stated time and again, gains made through fraud should be punished. Unless you think fraud is acceptable?
Did they voice objections or decline the loan? Who suffered repercussions, and who voiced grievances? Your reasoning baffles me. In reality, no harm befell either party. I perceive New York's actions as resembling those of a communist regime. Another instance is the convenient alteration of laws to accommodate Jean Carrol's civil case. While cynical, this viewpoint reflects my perspective on the matter. There was no fraud committed if both signed on the dotted line. Perhaps if any party was able to show damages, I could see the logic. As it stands the logic of the prosecutor was to get Trump. To quote Derchewitz " Letitia James ought to be brought up before the bar". He gave a great interview on Fox.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6347058557112
I am with him on this oneSo you deny that the bank was hurt? That they did not make as much as they should have based on the fraudulent values provided to them in violation of New York laws. Just because they did not complain does not mean they were not harmed. Your failure to understand these basic economic principles leaves me scratching my head. Oh well.
The property evaluator had a responsibility to fulfill his duties. You seem to presume that he didn't communicate his reservations to the lender regarding the inadequacy of Trump's valuation or that he didn't inform the bank about the unavailability of blueprints from Trump's representative. Your interpretation seems to rely solely on the appraiser's testimony, neglecting the absence of testimony from anyone representing the bank. This oversight appears to be a significant red flag that many are overlooking.
Actually, my interpretation is that Trump filed fraudulent documents and those fraudulent documents were the basis for the interest rates he got. If his valuations were accurate values, he would have had to pay $148 million more and that is the value he defrauded from the banks that the state proved.
Yes, I agree with your perspective. Moreover, it seems the bank isn't complaining about the reported "$148 million" loss. While this situation may seem significant on paper, there doesn't appear to be any tangible distress on the bank. It's not uncommon for properties to be overvalued in various locations globally. Ultimately, it's the responsibility of the lender to conduct thorough due diligence.
Have you ever refinanced a property? It's standard practice for an evaluation to be conducted and for that evaluation to be presented. Subsequently, the lender will assess it independently and either approve or reject the proposed valuation from the owner. The lender may also respect the owner's appraisal.Have I refinanced? No, but I bet if I submitted a valuation that was ten times the actual value of the property to a bank, I bet I could expect to hear from the authorities.
Actually, it's the responsibility of borrower, by law, to supply accurate financial disclosures. It may not 'be uncommon for properties to be overvalued in various locations globally,' but when those values were as ridiculous as Trump valued them to get better interest rates on loans and insurance (sometimes ten times more than actual values) in the state of New York, that is clearly fraud."in the state of New York, that is clearly fraud."
ONLY if you're President Donald Trump.
The other hundreds of real estate developers who do the same thing are okay.Are they? Because falsifying business records recently got developer Nir Meir charged, but not before swindling millions from investors.
"swindling millions from investors"
Not the same situation. Nobody lost money with President Donald Trump's business.Not true. If Trump had submitted accurate financials, the banks would have made another $148 million.
If the bank had done its due diligence (considering it's duty to stockholders), it would have made another 148M. That they did not is solely due to the bank - NO bank should ever take the word of a borrower and they know that quite well.
It is so funny how those who either do not like how our capitalist system works, or just don't like how investments work, or how negotiations are about doing your own research and due diligence...
But MANY... those far more fiscally savvy than myself... DO see what this means.
The exodus that is going to hit NY is like NOTHING it has ever seen before... not from covid... not from the dreary 70s recession...
The shit storm this is going to kick up in lawsuits... whoooweee...
Hey... you didn't invest my millions into Tesla in 2014... I could have made millions, but you didn't evaluate the value of that company properly... you owe me 450 million dollars!!!
Hey... you undervalued my Apartment Building when you sold it for only 500million, when it really was worth 900 million that it was flipped for 6 months after I sold it... you owe me 400 million dollars!!!
Scary stuff... run away... run far away from NY!!!Had not thought of that angle. We're seeing more and more businesses departing deep blue cities; NY could very well be the next one with this display of anti-business sentiment.
It's one of those situations where they may win the battle but lose the war.
Remington is leaving NY after having been there 200 years. Now investors and developers are leaving NYC. ALL because of TDS.
Makes me wonder if anyone in New York grasps the concept of business. When you punish it, businesses leave. That decreases the services provided, the tax revenue collected. People leave to get jobs and be free of the entrenched burdensome regulations and laws.
A state like NY that has such a high tax rate and pays so much toward social programs, can't afford to have businesses leave. They need the tax revenue.
They have a pretty bleak future if the businesses and people continue to leave NY at the current rate.
All because of TDS.One of NY's problem is its Pension System, that eats up hundreds of millions of dollars of its budget each year.
Another is the Social/Welfare services it has, considerably more generous than most States... you can literally qualify for services in NY and then move to FL or somewhere else much more affordable, the abuse of their system is legendary.
Another is their Workman's Comp... literally the worst in the Nation, for businesses, that have to pay out those compensations.
Power... some of the most expensive in the Nation, don't want to be stuck running your business paying that if you can avoid it by going to a State with much more affordable power.
Property & School taxes... very steep.
State Income Tax... very steep.
Etc.So these are few big pictures of the Yankee State? It must awful at NY indeed.
So that's how Tax Deducted at Source of income is awful and terrible at New York?
"Grant Cardone, a real estate investor who manages more than $4.3 billion in assets and is expanding in metro Phoenix, is encouraging his investors to pull out of New York and invest in Arizona instead." https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/new … ot-ny.html
The Hill --- "Kevin O’Leary says he will no longer invest in ‘loser’ New York after Trump verdict"
My view -- Businesses and individuals are increasingly withdrawing from New York, leading to a decline in the tax base. As the saying goes, "Money Talks, BS Walks." It's clear to me that the Democratic party's mindset is illogical. Their actions often exacerbate issues, essentially self-sabotaging in the process.I am sure there are plenty of others, this is likely a "straw that broke the camel's back" for a great many investors and developers.
You simply cannot dole out $355 million dollar hits pay it now OR ELSE we confiscate your businesses and properties and think it will be shrugged off by those in the business/investment/development world.
If you controlled hundreds of millions of dollars in NY right now, what would you be doing to protect your assets?
With this, they literally said... you aren't safe... your investments aren't safe... your properties... negotiations ... contracts ... none of it matters.
Again, this is the exact same thing has been done by hundreds of developers in NYC for a long, long time.
The only reason President Donald Trump was brought up on charges is that he is running for reelection. The lefts wants to have the power to decide who can and can't run for president. They don't trust the people to make the right decision. The left has learned a lot from communist countries as they are trying to imitate them.The left here in the states, are all about Government control, thinking the people can't be trusted, and spreading the wealth, they are past "learning from communists", they are already there!
The left here in the states, are all about Government control,
Like the way Alabama has taken away IVF?Sorry, Alabama isn't on my radar, we have much larger problems here in the U.S.
I concur that our border remains alarmingly porous, our involvement in two ongoing wars persists, and crime rates continue to spiral out of control. Additionally, the skyrocketing prices have burdened us with double the cost for everyday purchases. Furthermore, the evident incapacity of our current president to effectively address any issue or articulate coherent thoughts exacerbates these pressing challenges.
Yes, I can see IVF would be at the bottom of my list... I would think many will put even having children off due to the many messes we are forced to live with.Government control over the availability of yet another medical procedure is reason for concern. It's one of the multitude of concerns I maintain simultaneously on my radar.
This is a direct result of trump overturning Roe v Wade. Women now are unable to have children via IVF in Alabama because their government said so and MAGA is on board.
And
"This Congress, 125 House Republicans — including Speaker Mike Johnson — have cosponsored the "Life at Conception Act," which states that the term "human being" includes "all stages of life, including the moment of fertilization, cloning, or other moment at which an individual member of the human species comes into being."
The bill does not include any exception for in vitro fertilization (IVF).
This sort of government control is acceptable?
A nationwide abortion ban is next. Served up by the Supreme Court and the likelihood that they will ban Mifepristone.
Everyone knows contraception is next.
MAGA, with Trump at the helm has unleashed a war on women... And the young folks see it.
As an aside I also have a growing concern for the intelligence of those in our government. Many of them just continually show that they do not have the intelligence to even be considering the things put before them... The latest example? The coach masquerading as a senator..
Alabama Senator Tommy Tuberville is clearly gunning to win the award for “Dumbest Senator” a second year in a row, fully demonstrating that he has no idea what in vitro fertilization is, nor does he have basic knowledge about the recent Alabama court ruling that effectively banned the assisted family conception procedure from his state.
“Yeah, I was all for it,” Tuberville told reporters at CPAC on Thursday
“We need to have more kids, we need to have an opportunity to do that, and I thought this was the right thing to do,” he added.
an NBC News reporter. “Aren’t you concerned that this could impact people who are trying to have kids?”
“Well, that’s for another conversation,” said a stumped Tuberville.
Hand this man his dunce cap.I seriously doubt that anyone is going to take away your contraception. I wonder...if women had only to open their front door to receive contraception, if abortion would become one of those horror acts from the past? (Just me thinking out loud)
You do a lot of conflating and exaggerating when attempting to make a point, I will give you that.
Again, my concern is the fentanyl pouring across our southern border. Just heard about a childhood friend of my son's who bought a single Xanax, it was laced with fentanyl, he is DEAD!!
My concern are the criminals (all are criminals) but those pouring across to.....FIRST, do harm!!
My concern are the terrorist cells which have made their way in with "families" or teams of men.....who are now in the later stages of strategizing; flanking us and preparing for attack!
My concern is that the current President is incompetent and in over his head, and the entire world knows it!
But keep sweating the small things.
I chucle. NY laws are made against the likes of President Donal Trump?
I understand your perspective, and while we frequently have differing opinions, I believe our differing viewpoints stem from your emphasis on legal aspects. My approach encompasses more than just the legal framework James utilized.
It's worth noting that there is indeed a law under which Trump was prosecuted, although I'm skeptical about its fairness and application. The law seems flawed and has been rarely utilized in the past. It appears evident that James campaigned with the aim of "getting Trump" and exhibited clear bias in choosing to pursue charges against him, especially considering that many real estate figures tend to overvalue properties—a common practice. Utilizing a seldom-used law, she secured an exorbitant fine against Trump, which only highlights the apparent bias. Personally, I perceive biases on both sides, and they were glaringly evident throughout the case. As it concludes, I can't help but wonder if presiding over this case would be a stain on any judge's record. Just saying... In my view, the bias on both James and the judge was clear.
"Notably, New York’s anti-fraud statute, known as Executive Law 63(12), is clear that a finding of fraud does not require intent to deceive or that anyone actually gets duped or loses money. The attorney general must only show “repeated fraudulent or illegal acts.
But the AP analysis, based on a search of reported 63(12) cases in legal databases LexisNexis and Westlaw, found that victims and losses were factors when it came to deciding whether to take over a business."
So, was Trump's case perused because Trump is running for president?https://apnews.com/article/trump-fraud-business-law-courts-banks-lending-punishment-2ee9e509a28c24d0cda92da2f9a9b689
This is a pretty good article on the Executive Law 63(12).Actually, I think your views exclude many of the other legal frameworks, such as the Trump Organization being charged with fraud as well as their CFO. That it was engaged in election interference in 2016 with illegal payments to Michael Cohen to pay off a porn star through the business. That Trump University was charged with defrauding students. Like you always say, where there's smoke...well, the business entities surrounding Trump were all smoking long before James decided to campaign on the issue.
Instead of inventing the motive that people are going after him for his politics, how about acknowledging that Trump was already engaged in multiple shady business dealings that even his own attorney testified to before Congress.
Or that repeated examples of fraudulent business practices is definitely a factor on whether or not to take over a business, not just 'victims and losses.'
You see, there's more to the picture than what you ever acknowledge. It's the cult-like mentality we see from MAGA supporters in that they always omit Trump's faults and failures. But when one looks at the big picture of his business, one finds multiple examples of the fraud long before the case that Engoron had to rule on.
If anything, the omissions of those examples is the greater bias, but that bias exists in Trump's supporters, not from the bench.Val, I stumbled upon an article this morning authored by one of our esteemed Hubpages contributors. It's truly enlightening and offers profound insights worth pondering on various fronts.
New York Executive Law § 63(12) Felonious? BY Peter R Clarke ( not sure I can post the link because it could be considered promotional.)
A sound argument.
A counter to that would be all the other charges brought against Trump and all the other business (failed or successful) efforts over the decades which Trump was involved.
A further argument will also be all the actions and events surrounding the 2020 election.
At the end of the day he is a former President, and currently the most likely to become the next President, were we to have that election today.
An obviously biased State AG should not be able to strip him of his wealth and businesses as he runs for President.
That is first and foremost the most important thing.
Trump is the choice of tens of millions of Americans, how many we won't know until election day... last time he had 75 million support him, despite the negative media onslaught, the suppression of free speech across the spectrum of Social Media, and the FBI fabricating lies and suppressing evidence to Biden wrongdoing.
Who knows how many want a return of Trump... possibly 80 million... 90 million...????
Clearly, there are many on the opposite side that do not want to find out, that want to use any means to take that choice away from Americans."Trump is the choice of tens of millions of Americans, how many we won't know until election day... last time he had 75 million support him, despite the negative media onslaught, the suppression of free speech across the spectrum of Social Media, and the FBI fabricating lies and suppressing evidence to Biden wrongdoing."
I share your perspective. If Biden emerges victorious, it would certainly reflect the prevailing mindset among Americans. To me, it would signify a broad acceptance of the level of government control his administration advocates for.Or it would signal that maybe the GOP should not nominate a candidate who tried to steal an American election...or one who took away the rights of women...or one that doesn't think that willfully retaining and storing nuclear secrets in the bathroom of his golf club is reasonable. Any of those are more plausible than thinking Biden is advocating 'government control.'
Correct, no one forced the banks to loan the money.
The gymnastics some people are going thru to try to justify this abuse would be amusing, if this weren't such a serious offense to our entire system of law and business.
Again, it is the banks responsibility to verify whatever Trump gave them. They chose not to; therefore they lost nothing. Same with the buyer of his property; they were happy with the price and therefore lost nothing.
So, you're suggesting that banks lack qualified individuals to assess collateral property? Frankly, I find that notion quite amusing. Have you ever been in a situation where you needed to secure a substantial loan with property? Let me assure you, that before any loan involving property is granted, thorough evaluations are conducted by experienced professionals. Moreover, lenders wouldn't approve a loan unless they were confident in the potential for profitable returns. It's perplexing how, whether discussing a sensitive issue like a rape case or a fraudulent scheme, self-proclaimed experts seem to emerge, armed with nothing more than a "diploma" from Google University. While I also utilize Google for information, I make a point to reference sources with credibility—those with identifiable names and faces—when asserting expertise.
As I mentioned, I prioritize Derchewitz's expertise and perspective over that of anyone else, including myself or other contributors in this forum.And yet, instead of looking at the actual case testimony, where the thorough evaluation (including access to the apartment as well as access to its blueprints), was denied, you rely on your Google degree to listen to the biased and paid legal rantings of Dershowitz on the Hannity show.
It's perplexing how self-proclaimed experts on topics rely on people being paid to give an opinion in the media as opposed to the experts testifying under oath where truth and honesty matters, as opposed to giving opinions (whether they be true or false as we have seen with Fox News) that will lead to ratings.Experience has taught me that "experts" are always paid to testify in court. Trust me, you can get an "expert" to go to court and agree with anything you say for the right price. I wonder how much these experts were paid.
The experts that testified that they were denied the right to appraise Trump's apartment on site or be given the blueprints? That's not really an agreement/disagreement type of question, now is it?
"given the blueprints"
Are you kidding me?
ALL the blueprints for any building must be approved by the planning commission. They have copies of such blueprints. If these experts didn't know how to get copies of blueprints from the planning commission, they really lack a lot of expertise.Oh, so it's your belief that anyone can get the blueprints to a privately owned building without the permission of the owner. Yeah, I'm sure they are just handing those out to just anyone. There's no safety concerns there. Give me a break.
Yes you can.
Talk to a real estate developer.
Request Records...
Use the DOB NOW: BIS Options portal to request drawings, plans or documents for properties located in New York City. For step-by-step directions, see the Record Requests in DOB NOW guide. Requests can be made for folders, plans, microfilm, docket books, reels, index/I-cards, and curb cut cards. Once a record request is submitted in DOB NOW, an email notification is sent to the requestor when the records are available for pick up at the borough office where the property is located.
(Plans are the blueprints)
Here is the website.
https://www.nyc.gov/site/buildings/dob/ … -data.page
Based on my experience with utilizing property for loan applications, it seems evident to me that you may not be well-versed in how banks typically handle loan approvals. However, everyone is entitled to their perspective.
I'd appreciate it if you could provide a source confirming the statement you made about the denial of thorough evaluation in the actual case testimony, particularly regarding access to the apartment and its blueprints. As for the situation with the bank, was any legal action pursued, or was the loan simply repaid? It's widely understood that banks rarely incur losses unless bankruptcy is involved.
Do you believe that all experts showcased in other media outlets don't receive compensation for their insights? Take Dershowitz, for instance. He's retired from teaching at Harvard Law. Do you think he wasn't remunerated for sharing his expertise during his tenure?
I'm curious about the evidence you mentioned. So far, I've only encountered allegations from James regarding Trump and the Trump Organization's purported false valuation of assets, which they allegedly misrepresented to financial institutions for personal gain. However, I haven't come across any evidence from banks or loan institutions indicating issues with Trump's loans.I have not personally had to use property as loan collateral, but have followed this case pretty well. I've already provided the link to the information you're asking for in this thread about access that was denied to Trump's apartment, in a response to Mike.
And the difference between media outlets, where truth is not a requirement, and testimony under oath are two different things in my view. That you see them as equal in credibility is apparently something we view differently.I find Dechewitz very credible. I will check the thread for the link. Thank you
Edit --- found the link that did provide information on an appraiser being denied the blueprints of Trump's apartment in Trump Tower.Business, Social, Legal codes and precedence...
Up until recently, until the Biden Administration, there were certain known social, legal, moral precedence with which we in America lived and interacted with one another.
Until the Biden Administration, Women's locker rooms and showers were meant for women, not men.
Until the Biden Administration, children were protected, from themselves, from those who would prey on them. We understood children could be influenced, intimidated, molded... that they needed to be protected until they reached the age where some level of mental maturity and social coherence was expected of them.
Until the Biden Administration, it was expected that when two or more persons, entities, corporations, etc. entered into a contract, they did so having fully understood what they were agreeing to, they did their due diligence and agreed to the terms put forth.
It was understood that it was not the place of the Justice system to change laws, review past business transactions, upend decades old standards, for the sake of pursuing a person for political and personal vendettas.
Americans hopefully see the choice being put in front of them for 2024...
GA typed the other day ... "reality-thinking vs. wishful thinking"
I think that is what is on the ballot in 2024, or something similar...
Do we want to live in a world based on reality, where we all agree that a man is a man and a woman is a woman... where a contract is a contract... where law is law regardless of if you are white or black, migrant or citizen...
Or do we want to live in this Democratic Dystopia where words can be considered acts of violence, where if you decide you don't like someone you can claim they raped you 25 years ago and be made into a multi-millionaire superstar for making the accusation.
To say nothing of turning the world against us and funding endless wars.I understand and share your concerns and share your sentiments regarding the importance of upholding social, legal, and moral precedents. We must maintain clarity and consistency in our societal standards, including protecting the vulnerable, such as children, from harm, mentally and physically.
Ensuring contractual agreements are honored and not subject to arbitrary reinterpretation by courts. In my view, it is vital for maintaining trust and stability in business interactions. The justice system should indeed focus on upholding the law impartially rather than being swayed by political agendas or personal vendettas, which we are seeing today.
Yes, the upcoming election presents a choice between embracing reality-based thinking, where fundamental truths are upheld, and safeguarding against a dystopian future where subjective interpretations and political motives blur the lines of justice and integrity. It's essential for the well-being of America that we use above all common sense in the 2024 election. I mean time to get off this destructive path. Let those who are warring fight and pay for their wars.
The answer is very simple: if the bank is denied access to the property they don't make a loan. They chose to do so anyway - perhaps bank officials should be up on charges for not carrying out their fiduciary duties to stockholders.
Maybe they should. But that does not excuse Trump from filing fraudulent financial forms - which automatically breaks New York laws, and which every MAGA person in here keeps trying to excuse in some way.
Sorry - haven't seen a single person "excuse" it, not even I.
Although I do question such a huge fine when no one was harmed and all contracts were completed as written. No one even complained, but the judge evidently thought NY needed some extra cash.
If America is like this under the Dem by politicsing the Courts and the Judges, then America, is no good a democracy. Or democracy is being sold to the cheapest bidder because of one man called Trump. Significantly, America, is the mother of democracy. She brought it from the Greeks, Britain, and France, and then fine tone it to the rest of the world. Significantly too, what the law professor has noted in the trail case, is lamentably.
Was poking about and discovered the website Lawfare that gives a particular focus to the Trump Trials with a promise to keep it updated. It looks thorough and is updated. There is a calendar available for what is expected to occur. For instance, tomorrow will be pretrial motions for the Southern District of Florida. Currently the trial date is May 20. They also have a docket watch for the different trials. You can see everything at that link past and present.
A Guide to Trump's Trials
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/current-pr … ump-trialsIf you had the GOP fearmongering moment of the day coming before noon, congrats, you win today's prize.
Not nearly as amusing as watching MAGA always trying to pin the blame for Trump's crimes on someone other than their cult leader. As soon as he filed fraudulent financials where he made up his own valuations from thin air, he was in violation of New York law.
If everyone in New York who did this was arrested...the jails would be overflowing.
Again New York shows its double standards and hypocrisy.
Is it any wonder businesses and people are leaving that state at a high rate? Businesses who have been there hundreds of years are leaving. Now, big real estate developers are leaving.
It's a shame what democrats have done to the state.If everyone who committed fraud on the scale and frequency of Trump, the jails might have a few more people. Since 2015, New York has filed charges 9,800 times for filing fraudulent business records. This is not the double standard or hypocrisy that you claim it to be. Maybe some basic research before making such a claim.
Ken seems to want to rewrite history again and act as if these social issues are new under Biden. And considering the recent claims to have bought into 2020 election fraud, not sure there should any lecturing about what is reality.
In the reality of many on the right, including a few names that post in these forums, no one from MAGA has committed domestic terror threats, nor violence against their own government. Their chosen candidate was not found liable by a jury of his peers for defamation and sexually abusing a woman based on multiple pieces of evidence - evidence they cannot bring themselves to acknowledge. Those realities are not reality at all, but delusion.
Ken continues to try and deflect away from the topic of this thread to express his own beliefs about what the 2024 election should be about. His misunderstanding of the transgendered issue being one of the hallmarks of that deflection.
What's on the ballot for others in 2024 is democracy. In not electing someone who tried to overturn the 2020 election. Women's rights to body autonomy continue to be on the ballot. And decency continues to be on the ballot, where many feel that someone found by a jury of their peers to have committed rape does not belong anywhere near elected office.Good thing Trump was not "found by a jury of their peers" to have committed rape, isn't it? Of course, the verdict will be twisted into something it wasn't by those out to get Trump for anything from jaywalking to treason...
Actually, sexual abuse in New York is the equivalence to rape, this according to the judge in the case who stated that very thing. Wish you guys would come to terms with that instead of continually lying about it.
Yeah, you have said that before. Wish you would quit putting your own words onto the court verdict.
I would encourage MAGA folks to read the Engoron decision. He very meticulously documented how everything Trump does is based on consistent and shameless cheating, deceiving, falsifying documents, and lying.
He dissects dozens of lies told at trial not just by Trump, his three oldest children, and two Trump Organization executives but by a host of supposedly expert witnesses.
Some quotes from the ruling..
On the scope of Trump’s misdeeds:
“United States Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart famously, or infamously, declared that he could not define pornography, but that he knew it when he saw it. The frauds found here leap off the page and shock the conscience.”
On the reaction of Trump and his adult sons:
“Their complete lack of contrition and remorse borders on pathological. They are accused only of inflating asset values to make more money. The documents prove this over and over again. This is a venial sin, not a mortal sin. Defendants did not commit murder or arson. They did not rob a bank at gunpoint. Donald Trump is not Bernard Madoff. Yet, defendants are incapable of admitting the error of their ways. Instead, they adopt a ‘See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil’ posture that the evidence belies.”
On being confronted with their misdeeds:
“In order to borrow more and at lower rates, defendants submitted blatantly false financial data to the accountants, resulting in fraudulent financial statements. When confronted at trial with the statements, defendants’ fact and expert witnesses simply denied reality, and defendants failed to accept responsibility or to impose internal controls to prevent future recurrences.”
On the severity of the penalty:
“In considering the need for ongoing injunctive relief, this Court is mindful that this action is not the first time the Trump Organization or its related entities has been found to have engaged in corporate malfeasance. Of course, the more evidence there is of defendants’ ongoing propensity to engage in fraud, the more need there is for the Court to impose stricter injunctive relief. This is not defendants’ first rodeo.”
On Trump’s credibility:
“Donald Trump professed to ‘know more about real estate than other people’ and to be ‘more expert than anybody else.’ He repeatedly falsified business records with the intent to defraud.”
On Trump as a witness:
“Overall, Donald Trump rarely responded to the questions asked, and he frequently interjected long, irrelevant speeches on issues far beyond the scope of the trial. His refusal to answer the questions directly, or in some cases, at all, severely compromised his credibility.”
On Ivanka Trump’s “suspect” memory lapses:
On direct examination by plaintiff, Ivanka Trump had no recollection of any of the events that gave rise to this action; no number of emails or documents with her signature served to refresh her recollection. Notably, on cross-examination by defendants’ counsel, Ms. Trump suddenly and vividly recalled details of the projects and her interactions with [Deutsche Bank’s Rosemary] Vrablic.”
Ivanka Trump was a thoughtful, articulate, and poised witness, but the Court found her inconsistent recall, depending on whether she was questioned by OAG or the defense, suspect. In any event, what Ms. Trump cannot recall is memorialized in contemporaneous emails and documents; in the absence of her memory, the documents speak for themselves.
On the “everybody does it” defense.
“Timely and total repayment of loans does not extinguish the harm that false statements inflict on the marketplace. Indeed, the common excuse that ‘everybody does it’ is all the more reason to strive for honesty and transparency and to be vigilant in enforcing the rules. Here, despite the false financial statements, it is undisputed that defendants have made all required payments on time; the next group of lenders to receive bogus statements might not be so lucky. New York means business in combating business fraud.”
Read the opinion.While the Engoron decision may present a damning portrayal of Trump's actions and those of his associates, it's essential to approach such conclusions with a critical eye and consider the broader context. This decision represents one perspective within a complex legal and political landscape, and it's important not to take its assertions as absolute truth without examining the evidence and counterarguments.
I feel it's crucial to recognize that legal decisions are subject to interpretation and are not immune to bias or political influence. While Judge Engoron may have meticulously documented instances of deceit and fraud, it's essential to remember that legal judgments can reflect the opinions and biases of the presiding judge.
Moreover, the language used in the decision, such as comparing Trump's actions to pornography and questioning the sincerity of his remorse, suggests a degree of personal disdain that may color the judge's assessment. Such emotive language risks undermining the impartiality of the decision and may reflect a broader political agenda rather than purely legal considerations. Not cool...
While the decision may highlight instances of dishonesty it's important to consider whether these actions rise to the level of criminality or if they represent common practices within the business world. The fact that Trump and his associates may have engaged in questionable behavior does not necessarily prove criminal intent or warrant the severity of the penalties imposed.
The judge's decision's focus on Trump's credibility and the behavior of his family members, such as Ivanka Trump, may distract from the substantive legal issues at hand. While inconsistencies in testimony are certainly relevant, they should not overshadow the central legal questions concerning fraud and corporate malfeasance.
So, while the Engoron decision presents a damning indictment of Trump's actions and those of his associates. In my view, it's essential to approach such judgments with skepticism and to consider the broader context and potential biases at play. Ultimately, the truth of these allegations may only be fully understood through a thorough examination of the evidence and legal proceedings, rather than through the lens of any single Judge's decision.Here is the 92 page court document from Arthur F. Engoron, Justice
It just blows my mind how Trumpers can rationalize and make excuses for the innocence of Trump in all the criminal cases he has been involved in.
After presiding over a non-jury trial that began on October 2, 2023, and ended on December 13, 2023, with closing arguments on January 11, 2024, this Court makes the following findings of fact and conclusions of law and issues this Decision and Order:
This is everything that you want to know about the court proceedings. It makes for great reading. I read the parts that I thought were germane to Trump and companies guilt.
https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/d … cision.pdfDon't be surprised if this gets overturned on appeal.
I want to clarify that I wasn't contesting the verdict; rather, I aimed to introduce an alternative perspective to further the discussion on this political platform. Additionally, I previously shared Alen Derchewitz's viewpoint on the matter to foster further dialogue. It's possible that my intended context wasn't fully conveyed in my comment. While I've examined the judge's decision, I'm refraining from offering an opinion beyond what I've already stated.
From my perspective, I do believe that judges can sometimes exhibit clear bias, as evidenced by my earlier detailed comment. However, in the spirit of fair play, I don't intend to share my assessment of the judge or the verdict. I can assure you I reviewed the ruling.
“Timely and total repayment of loans does not extinguish the harm that false statements inflict on the marketplace. Indeed, the common excuse that ‘everybody does it’ is all the more reason to strive for honesty and transparency and to be vigilant in enforcing the rules."
This makes me laugh. They never worry about striving for honesty and transparency...until they can use this against President Donald Trump. THEN all of a sudden honesty and transparency matter.
Puh-Leeeeese!
What a bunch of pathetic hypocrites!
Ah, New York at it's best I guess.From my perspective, New York is rife with corruption. They have a knack for swiftly changing laws to suit their agenda, as seen with the Adult Survivor Act. Carroll filed a lawsuit against Trump shortly after the enactment of this act in May 2023. One must commend them for their adeptness at pulling off such underhanded schemes. I think that ploy was very obvious to anyone with a one-brain cell.
So very true, and why precedence and standard business practices (in this case) matter.
This to, is open to inspection and interpretation, deceit requires a known effort, so does the claim of fraud.
Fraud is a deliberate act (or failure to act) with the intention of obtaining an unauthorized benefit, either for oneself or for the institution.
At the same time, it IS the responsibility of those acting on behalf of a corporation or institution or individual to try and get the best out of negotiations for that entity.
There are accepted practices, especially within the Real Estate sector, that are common practices and with this ruling the Judge has made NY very risky, facere non.This to, is open to inspection and interpretation, deceit requires a known effort, so does the claim of fraud.
I am confident that this judge understands, completely, the regulations and laws he interprets to determine his rulings. Certainly much more than the general public. But Trump has the right to appeal and have the ruling scrutinized.
Seems to me that States or New York laws are inconsistent with Federal laws in America. How can attemped rape (without penetration) be equated to an actual rape that results in with straight penetration? This shows the inconsistency of the NY law with tha American Constitution, except there's no enactment on that.
The bigger question is how can a woman claim rape 26 years after it happened.
She claimed to have a dress to prove it. Unfortunately for her, the dress she mentioned hadn't been available for purchase until a few years after the alleged rape.
How can a judge prevent a jury from seeing an interview in a major newspaper with the victim where she claims there was no rape. How can a judge prevent a jury from seeing a video interview of the alleged victim where she claims that rape is sexy and more.
How can a jury determine there has been a rape when there is no proof. No direct evidence. Just hear say evidence.
New York's judicial system is very corrupt. This case illustrates it more than others.
Won't be surprised if it is overturned on appeal.Mie: If I were an attempted rape victim, I think I'd be severely traumatized by the attempt to violate me whether the attacker completed the assault or not.
Kathleen, I agree with your feelings. Your description is what rape is. However, the scenario of penetration and the emission of sperms is evidential in law.
Trump files request for 30-day extension, but gives no reasons. Engoron denies the request.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V3t-cwR4pQ
In the classified documents case, Trump's lawyers file a motion that might get them sanctioned because it's that ridiculous:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqCYsY9kQ3UTrump's latest laughable move falls flat. In essence, he tried to change the Trump Organization's addresses to Florida to make it harder for New York to take his money.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD5Crb5zPsAMiebakagh57: Google: Navalny for all the details in this extensive topic.
Speaking of Florida, Jack Smith proposed a July 8th trial while Trump's attorneys counted with an August 12th date.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqDCqlEFKms
And Marc Elias, famed voting rights attorney, notes that while DOJ policy is to pause any investigations in the months prior to a presidential election, he states that criminal cases do not need to follow those guidelines. He sees no reason why there can't be a trial that goes into the later fall months.The Court Judges are not dummy. Their can reconcil and set a convenient date.
Trump posted the $91 million bond to appeal the E. Jean Carroll ruling. Let's see if anyone finds the source of that funding in the upcoming weeks.
WOW! I did not feel he would appeal... one could think of him as a man who will fight to prove he feels he is not guilty. It will be interesting to see what PAC picks up the fees. I am pretty sure one of his PACs will pay.
I don't feel he can win an appeal in New York, seems senseless. Not sure if this form of civil case could ever make it's way to the Supreme Court.I thought he would, just to see if he could get the amount reduced. Just didn't think he could find that much money as I doubted he has much liquidity.
In an appellate court the goal is not to determine guilt or innocence, but to make certain the law was properly applied.
President Donald Trump has a very good chance at winning an appeal. The evidence that would benefit him not being permitted to be presented to the jury should be the reason he wins an appeal.
The decision could be overturned, the award reduced or eliminated. A new trial could also be granted.
E. Jean Carroll can't touch the money until the appeals are finished.
We shall see.Thanks, I will admit I have lost my way in figuring out all the legal stuff facing Trump. I do give him credit for continuing to fight the many charges.
This stuborn Trump must fight on...and don't give up! Fight on Trump, fight.
Mie: How about we send Trump to your country?
Kathleen, is Ex-President Donald Trump a Nigerian citizen? Nope. Does Ex-President Trump holds a Nigerian citizenship paper? Nope. So your assumption on probablity is wrong. If you had read me correctly, you would have know that I'm not supporting any wrong doing. Seriously, I've said Trump, should be tried for any wrong doing up to the USA Supreme Court. And that is done. And is being done. Trump is a winner for the presidential ballat. Thanks for labeling me Mie. I am.
Government filing today in Florida:
“During his presidency, Trump used dozens of boxes to accumulate and store records in an informal filing system,” they added. “At the end of his presidency in January 2021, around 85 to 95 of these boxes were removed from the White House and transported to Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s residence in Palm Beach, Florida, where they were later placed in a storage room.”
In 2021, the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) had discussions with Mr Trump regarding the documents.
“Trump wanted to review his boxes before providing them to NARA, and employees (including Nauta) brought two to four at a time to his personal residence in Mar-a-Lago for him to review,” the Department of Justice said in the filing. “After the employees (including Nauta) brought about 15 to 17 boxes, Trump instructed them to stop, and on January 17, 2022, employees handed over 15 boxes to NARA.”
“Trump indicated to his staff that the 15 boxes were the only boxes that would be going to NARA and that there were no more, and he instructed an employee to tell one of his lawyers there were no more boxes at Mara-Lago,” they added. “But about 70 to 80 boxes remained in the storage room.”Trump's lawyer is in court arguing that it is legal to lie to the government if it is in service of core political speech and acts. By this argument, a 21-year old could lie that he is 35 in order to run for office. In that regard, it fails on its face.
Another great point raised by mainstream media today. In Georgia, Trump is arguing that his speech should be protected by the First Amendment as it was political speech related to a campaign. Meanwhile, in DC, his lawyers are arguing that his actions should be protected because he was acting in his official role as President.
Which is it? Candidate or Commander in Chief?I must confess, I find the multitude of court cases involving Trump quite perplexing, particularly in relation to free speech issues. I'm simply entrusting the judges to navigate through these complex matters and make appropriate rulings.
There may be a difference between free speech and actions as president.
Trump's lawyers post motion to dismiss his NY case due to too much pre-trial coverage from the media. One day after he posts 77 times on Truth Social. Considering he is the one driving the pre-trial media coverage, this motion is doomed.
Also today, the NY DA posts motion to further restrict Trump's gag order to include the family of court staff since Trump even posted a photo of the judge's daughter in a clear case of stochastic terrorism.Can't help but wonder where these cases will go. The rhetoric is not productive, and hopefully, judges will push the cases along. I hope to have conclusions and see evidence before the election.
Glad you're not on board with drawing negative attention, which could lead to violence, towards the daughter of a judge. What kind of person attacks the daughter or wife of a person, by the way? And how do people bring themselves to support someone who engages in that kind of conduct, repeatedly.
So, tell me the words President Donald Trump used?
"Trump pointed to Merchan’s daughter’s work in progressive politics, and a social media account that he claims is hers, as evidence that it is “completely impossible” for him to get a “fair trial.”
“Maybe the Judge is such a hater because his daughter makes money by working to ‘Get Trump,’ and when he rules against me over and over again, he is making her company, and her, richer and richer,” Trump wrote. “How can this be allowed?”
Trump appeared to be referencing a social media account on X, which Authentic had previously associated with Merchan’s daughter.
As recently as Wednesday, that X account featured as its profile photo an edited headshot of Trump behind metal bars. As of Wednesday afternoon, that profile photo had been changed to a childhood photo of Vice President Kamala Harris. Harris had shared that photo on social media during a 2019 Democratic primary debate, shortly after she attacked then-rival Biden over his record on busing.
Merchan’s daughter “represents Crooked Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Adam ‘Shifty’ Schiff, and other Radical Liberals, [and] has just posted a picture of me behind bars, her obvious goal,” Trump claimed.
“So, let me get this straight, the Judge’s daughter is allowed to post pictures of her ‘dream’ of putting me in jail, the Manhattan D.A. is able to say whatever lies about me he wants, the Judge can violate our Laws and Constitution at every turn, but I am not allowed to talk about the attacks against me, and the Lunatics trying to destroy my life, and prevent me from winning the 2024 Presidential Election, which I am dominating?” he wrote."
Liberal lunacy at its best.The lunacy is that that account was not hers. And yet the MAGA morons buy the latest lies he's selling, ones that direct attention to his followers, some who have committed violence against his perceived enemies in the past. Trump is a stochastic terrorist and then we get to listen to his followers, ones that attended the January 6 rally specifically, try and defend that stochastic terrorism.
Give us a break.
Georgia judge rejects First Amendment dismissal argument:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPJQiJAWsvUMore bullsh!t?
The Chief Executive cannot be free to commit crimes while in office. Where would we all be? It is beyond stupidity that such a matter can even be discussed among sane people. Presidential Immunity, MY FOOT.
Trump is full of it and he won't get away with it this time.Think of Trump's defense in the New York case. He's arguing that he should not be held criminally liable for the crime, not because he didn't do the crime, but because he did it while President.
That says all one needs to know.Trump as President, is a human beimg. He's subject to do wrong.
Seven jurors selected in the New York trial. Five more and then six alternates until opening statements.
I think back on the Clinton years and the trouble he got into with the inappropriate dalliance with the intern back in 97. The Republicans wanted to impeach him for lying to congress as if Clinton's behavior, that between consenting adults, rose to the high crimes and misdemeanor standards for impeachment and conviction. This is just another reason that Trump's dumb idea that he could only be held accountable for crimes committed in office by a clearly partisan legislative body's use of the impeachment process, is a non starter. This must be handled by standard courts and juries. It is a dumb idea, worthy of Trump.
And now we have a man with Presidential ambitions on trial for sexual assault and harassment charges that would make Clinton look like a rote amateur. Yet, the Republicans hardly raise an eyebrow. Can I give any credibility to those that advocate on their behalf? Not really.
Just my opinion.....
Pretty exhaustive account....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_ … llegationsAre you confusing an impeachment with a trial before a judge/jury?
You should not - one is a purely political show and the other part of our justice system.And in spite of all these troubles, Trump, still goes on to become president of the USA! They's something rare in him that attracted these womem to him. And he still shots for the United States presidency? He must be Cubid bridegronm. Just saying.
The scent of money for many women is the best cologne one could wear. Surely, you know this? We will not repeat what was an obvious a mistake in 2016.
Come on now boys, we all know that "women" is just a made up word. It isn't definable or specific or anything special... anyone can be one - if they so choose! In fact, carry on with the sexist banter, because there's no such thing!
Be it Male, female or anything else we all know that money is always a lure. And let’s face it, anyone who is as crude, coarse or as callous as Donald Trump has GOTTA be paying for it
When given the choice, I'll take the Donald over Creepy, Sleepy Joe, every time.
To be frank, I concur, and I'll add that I've reached a stage where I find it difficult to even glance at Biden without feeling genuine disgust. The sight of him conjures up unsettling images of him invading personal space, whether it's sniffing children's or women's hair, or his unsettling skrewed-up facial expressions when he erupts in anger on a dime. "Creepy" falls short in capturing the depth of my aversion towards Biden. He sickens me.
Wilderness: " one is a purely political show and the other part of our justice system."
Exactly. Trump is being held to account by our justice system for his own actions. It's only political for you if you are planning to vote for someone in that situation.No, it is "only political" if politics is driving it. Considering cries for impeachment even before Trump took office, two faux impeachment attempts followed immediately by another "me too!" charge and a dozen other charges (with some crimes similar to other, uncharged, people) politics very definitely appears to be a large part of it all. Anything to get Trump out of the White House and keep him out.
So yes, a good deal of it is, without a doubt, political in nature even though using a weaponized justice system as just another tool in the box.I agree.
The legal charges against President Donald Trump say more about the corruption of the democrat party and the justice system than they do about President Donald Trump.
Take the latest in the courts of New York.
A state court is trying a person on federal charges after the statute of limitations has run out. A charge that was dismissed by the federal government who actually had jurisdiction.
democrats have done all they can to interfere with this election and it shows.RMN:
Do you mean like Trump tried to interfere with Biden's election?Very awful indeed. Is Federal and State laws fused? They're clear limitations written into the American Constitution. Obviously, it's the Democrate hate specific for Trump, and generally for the Republican Party, that is painting America politics black.
There were rumors in the media that David Pecker, head of the National Inquirer, was going to be the first witness to testify for the prosecution. Pecker jokes encouraged.
Then, on Tuesday, Trump's hearing to determine penalties for posts made about witnesses and jurors will be addressed. I expect fines in that one. I'll put the pool at $50k since there were seven different examples and the fines could be incremental with each offense.For almost 12 (or is it 13) years now!
So save it for someone else V.Amazing projection, when so many world leaders were seen laughing continually at Trump during events.
Sandoval hearing outcome: If Trump decides to testify in the New York Election Fraud case, here is what the prosecution can use to discredit him as a witness:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40PV6A0apJYIf this ends up being true, it's pretty damning. Apparently, Weisselberg wrote the reasons for the amount of Cohen's repayment down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPAcsRjJyscAnyone else on the lookout for the right being outraged that Trump had The National Inquirer fabricate stories about his political opposition? Or that they suppressed information that was vital to them making an informed decision on the candidates. Or does the outrage only happen when the opposition works to dampen bad stories?
The man is hardly credible.
The National Enquirer? is known as "Journalistic Sleaze." Just look up the number of lawsuits that have been successful against them. I did a quick scan and there were at least six.
Interesting the man's name is Pecker.
Here is some of his other less then repudiable stories. This is just a few.
Pecker also testified about the Enquirer’s efforts regarding “catch and kill,” the practice of buying the exclusive rights to a story only to make sure it would never be published. The Enquirer paid $30,000 to a Trump Tower doorman named Dino Sajudin for a story about Trump fathering an out-of-wedlock child. Though the story turned out not to be true, Pecker said, “I made the decision to buy the story because of the potential embarrassment it would have to the campaign and Mr. Trump.” A second catch-and-kill example involved former Playboy model Karen McDougal, who was shopping a story about a sexual relationship she said she had with Trump. “I think you should buy it,” Pecker said he told Trump, who was married at the time, during the 2016 campaign.
The question remains is if the left will believe anything and not require any actual proof of it. I would say yes.To MAGA, no one is credible except the cult leader. That becomes more evident with every single post trying to discount the actual people willing to testify under oath about what happened. And the odds are that that cult leader will refuse to testify in his own defense.
I disagree. MAGA is made of gullible people who believe everything anybody says about anything. Simply because someone says something doesn't make it true. This man provided no evidence and just his testimony.
Yeah, lack of real evidence make it easy for people to be dismissed.
Palestinian protestors are blocking kids from going to class on college campuses...no longer just blocking roads and bridges. They are threatening students as well. Antisemitism is out of control. A Jewish Professor has been locked out of his College campus.
Palestinian protestors are also promising an Oct 7th every day...here in America!!.
But just keep focusing on Trump.
The enemy needs us disengaged.
Things are too insane right now, too out of control.
I am so over all the pettiness which pales in comparison to what is happening in our country right now!!Nice deflection attempt. If you're so passionate about that topic, go start your own thread. This one is about the first-ever trial of the alleged crimes of one of the two nominees to lead our country. That the nominee for the Republican Party in a presidential election could become a convicted felon is pretty important to the country.
Nope, not at all, just a moment of reality setting in. But, God is in control.
Yes, I agreed. God is in control. But this 'catch and kill' thing which is as simple as a,b,c, is very argueable. For example, it cause serious deages to 'real' Donald Trump, when he was bench pressed by a person no less than MS Daniels, when she was given monexy to keep mouth shut. Otherwise, I don't think the Court Judge will award ms daniels the $50 million, and subsequent sums.
ab: So does God like the Palestinians or not? Because Netanyahu has killed millions of them including their children. He has turned their homes, hospitals, and towns to rubble while looking for Hamas. He has made refugees out of them in their own country. That's why the students are protesting.
Sorry Valeant, I know this is off topic, but I couldn't pass this up.
Mie: Women are attacked to his money. And, yes, he is a human who makes mistakes. But no one is allowed to break the law.
Yes, no one is above the law. And the law must take its course. But the money they paid MS Daniels, to kept silence, is to brought problems to Trump.
I guess 300 articles and facilitating numerous forum discussions over the years means nothing.
Accolades, mean nothing...
You don't want me in this particular discussion, stop bringing me back into it.
Easy peasy!Oh but it did add to the discussion, you just don't see it, too busy
looking for offense in a "personal attack", from me, which never happened!
No worries, AB "the troll" Williams, out!Arizona indicts many from Trump Campaign:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s-8kr5V74s
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