Yes, I blame Democrats for Trump's usurping

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Credence2posted 5 weeks ago
It is bad enough that Congress and the rabid red Republicans are more than willing to give in to Trump and Musk rather than assume their fiduciary responsibilities as established by the Constitution. But, I would of expected that they would be swept up by Trump fever, but Democrats? Too many of the moderate Democrats have revealed a "wait and see" attitude. What is there not to see that we are not seeing already?

Trump has no authority to impound spending authorized by Congress, what is Congress doing about it? The so called waste that Musk is supposedly chasing never seem to reach the meadow where Republican sacred cows graze. He attacks USAID and now, Head Start, while we have money to rebuild a Gaza based on some sort of flimsy truce that will exacerbate matters more than resolve them. As if the Palestinians are just going to capitulate after this matter has been in the news for over half a century? Helter-Skelter.

I need a more radical left with the courage to stand up to Trump and not merely accommodate his power grabs. Jeffries may be among those representatives ready to call Trump out.

Yes, Trump won, but I did not agree that he should shred the Constitution into so much confetti, while those supposedly there to maintain the balance of power, sit with their thumbs in their buts.

Will the Palestinians merely capitulate to Trump and Netanyahu terms? That remains to be seen.

I need the Democrats to grow a pair and go in prepared to fight both tooth and nail, because if you give the Trump administration an inch, it will take a mile everytime. All the while, holding its opposition in contempt for their weakness and determined to take all the more advantage. It is the classic style of any bully, superlative lies and bluff, a poker game rather than the mark of a true leader.

I know the Right will not listen as they never have, anyway. But, they will hear as the message will be should at the top of ones lungs from the highest tree top. Somebody might actually hear it and give it some thought. I am so obligated.
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  GA Andersonposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  The Left's problem might be what they have to stand up and defend. Some probably don't want a public fight about the correctness of using our foreign aid to pay for Morrocan pottery classes* or Serbian diversity training* or LGBT musicals in South America* or Politico subscriptions*, or . . .
  *as-yet-unproven claims offered as examples.
  
  So far all of the Left's attacks have been against the messengers, not their message. One poster offered an analogy for the Democrats' responses so far: The outrage isn't about the bank being robbed, it's about who found the robber on the surveillance tape.
  
  As for Republican sacred cows — I think Lindsy Graham has been linked to USAID funding. *shrug
  
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  Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  But Democrats could raise Cain over why a man like Musk is put in a position to screen out projects approved by Congress. That is not his place.
  
  I worked DOD procurement, has anybody thought about just who it is that has his hand in the cookie jar? This Musk has million dollar DOD contracts, what about conflicts of interest? Has he ever been vetted over the fact that he benefits by selecting some programs for cuts and preserving others? Compared to the "big picture", Graham is small potatoes.
  
  I can't thing of anything as dumb and irresponsible from the Trump Administration.
  
  Conservatives like to say than anyone as rich as Musk has to be beyond corruption, I say just the opposite. There is no such thing as having enough and they simply lust for that much more money and unwarranted power over others. It never ends.
  
  The Left attacks have been ineffectual, but the focus should still be on the integrity of the process, because if you put the magnifying glass on most Federal programs including GOP sacred cows, waste fraud and abuse will be revealed. So why here and not there? Ultimately, Congress decides what is to be cut or preserved, not Musk and the Teenyboppers.
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  Ken Burgessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  Well go back to your original thought... and consider it some...
  
  Why are the Democrats to blame?
  
  Why is it...
  
  that all these radical extremist Trump supporters are former Democrats?
  
  Kennedy... Musk... these guys were considered hard-left ten years ago.
  
  Tulsi Gabbard...
  
  If I were paranoid... or a conspiracy theorist ... I would say the Democrats just hijacked the Republican Party...
  
  That would mean 'your side' won... and 'my side' lost... duped...
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  Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  Ken,
  
  Why is the left more upset over Elon Musk finding terrible abuses of tax payer money, but not upset by the abuses of tax payer money? I like that he discovered major government fraud and abuse of funds. It is a serious break in the public trust. I'm sure there is plenty more where that came from.
  
  Does anyone on the left realize that fraud and waste of taxpayer money is one of the reasons our country has such significant debt? Do they realize that eliminating fraud and waste in the federal government is important? Fraud and waste has to be dealt with as soon as possible.
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  Ken Burgessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  The Left IS the establishment... the Deep State... the Elite who consider the rest of humanity crap that they have to scrape off their boots... the deplorables... the overpopulated masses that do not deserve the rights and the freedoms those ignorant slave owning savages in our past wrote into the Constitution.
  
  That is why.
  
  EDIT:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj9jXMEzCZY
  
  That is the truth.
  
  Our government serves the likes of Larry Fink, since the 'Pandemic' 2020, more than 8 TRILLION dollars of American taxpayer debt/inflation has been funneled to BlackRock alone.
  
  That is what this IS evidence of... money went to Soros' NGOs to pay for AG campaigns, you know, the AGs that have been releasing all the criminals and ignoring law and precedence... never mind the money that went to Serbia to pay for LGBTQ inclusivity training.
  
  Our government literally has become the biggest lie... the biggest criminal agency the world has ever seen... stealing some 35 Trillion dollars called National Debt from the people... money that went everywhere but to the citizens of America or the Infrastructure that we need to maintain society.
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  tsmogposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  "The Left IS the establishment... the Deep State... the Elite"
  
  The establishment, the deep state, and the elite don't have a side. They don't care where the money and power comes from. They just want more of it. IMHO
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  Ken Burgessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  Very true... there are those that sold out or were just corrupt and criminal before they even got to DC... on both sides of the aisle.
  
  However, it is safe to say that the DNC is the bastion of that corruption and criminality, and that they have just enough Republicans in the mix to keep things under control.
  
  We saw this during Trump's first term, when enough Republicans crossed over to sink the majority of his efforts to change ACA, to control the border, etc.
  
  Yes... the entire system is corrupt, rotten to the core, what remains to be seen is if it is salvageable or if this effort will be repelled, and the march toward America becoming the world's greatest Evil Empire to ever exist gets back on track.
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  GA Andersonposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  . . . and the peanut gallery erupts with applause.
  
  GA ;-)
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  Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  Oh yes...
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  Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  Ken, It's interesting to think about how figures like Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Elon Musk, and Tulsi Gabbard represent a more traditional, centrist view that feels more in line with the Democrats of old. Back in the day, you could listen to Democrats like these three and not feel like you were being shouted at pushed into a radical corner, or bullied. They bring forward ideas that are no longer aligned with the new Democratic party.
  
  Kennedy, for example, has long been known for his environmental work and advocacy for public health, staying true to a more classic liberal viewpoint. Musk, despite his ventures into tech and business, still holds onto a certain level of individualism and free-market thinking, with a keen interest in progress and innovation that is deeply American. And then there’s Gabbard, who’s always been a voice of reason on issues like war, civil liberties, and free speech.
  
  They all embody a version of the Democratic Party that seemed more open to debate, more interested in real solutions, and less focused on the divisiveness that has come to dominate the Democratic Party of today.
  
  These three individuals are a reminder of a time when Democrats didn’t always feel like they were part of a radical agenda, but rather voices that you could respect, even if you disagreed with them.
  
  I am thankful they crossed over to the Republican Party. The Republican Party today has indeed evolved significantly from its past, and in many ways, it mirrors some elements of the old Democratic Party.
  
  Over the years, we’ve seen a shift in both parties that has led to some fascinating parallels. Today, the Republican Party, particularly under the influence of figures like Donald Trump, has adopted a much more populist tone, one that focuses on challenging the so-called "establishment" and promoting economic nationalism. This mirrors the earlier 20th-century Democratic Party’s focus on economic justice, government intervention in the market, and addressing systemic inequalities, though the modern GOP has done so through a different lens, prioritizing American workers and industries over global interests.
  
  "Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country." Doesn’t this sentiment seem to align more with the Republican mantra today than the Democratic one? It seems like the focus has shifted from the government providing for the people to the idea that individuals should take personal responsibility and contribute to the well-being of the nation.
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  Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  Yes, and so we have our turncoats and you have yours like Liz Cheney, truly one of the most and few honorable persons in Republican Party.
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  GA Andersonposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure USAID's "projects" were approved by Congress. My perception is that Congress approved the budget request as a singular dollar amount request in an omnibus reconciliation bill.
  
  It seems unlikely that Congress vetted the line items of that "dollar amount."
  
  You have assumed the worst-case scenarios of Musk and DOGE, even though you have no proof or drivers for those assumptions beyond your political opposition (right?).
  
  What are your assumptions about what DOGE lists as USAID line-item disbursements? Are you assuming the claims are false? Can it be assumed you approve of them if the claims are true?
  
  As for your "teenyboppers" slander . . . I stumbled across a listing of the credentials for most of the original USAID DOGE team. I didn't save it, but the degrees, accomplishments (some were patent holders), and areas of expertise would be impressive for 50-year-olds. For me, it's doubly impressive that these young'uns have them. You should look into that if you want to hold on to the 'teenybopper' criticism.
  
  As another note: one of those 'teenyboppers' was part of the team that won The Vesuvius challenge by developing an AI model to read the scrolls:
  
  A Democrat lawmaker says Farritor was ". . . clearly a genius …" but he's just a teenybopper to you?
  
  As a note, Musk has Billions in DoD contracts. Instead of viewing that as a plus, for both the DoD and Musk, you see it as proof he can't be trusted. That's twisted.
  
  You are attacking the messengers without addressing the message. That's just politics. Don't you have more to support your criticisms? Nothing to say about the findings?
  
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  Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  "As a note, Musk has Billions in DoD contracts. Instead of viewing that as a plus, for both the DoD and Musk, you see it as proof he can't be trusted. That's twisted."
  
  Presents a huge conflict of interest, does it not? Fox guarding the hen house?
  
  Also, my patience for his daily hyperbolic claims of fraud is wearing thin. Where is the evidence? All I have seen are lists of what USAID did with it's congressionally appropriated budget. Am I supposed to believe all or some of it is fraudulent simply because some folks don't like the expenditures?
  
  Do we understand here that American farmers supply 41% of usaid food aid? Looks like that has come to an abrupt halt... USAID is responsible for about $2 billion in U.S. Agriculture commodity purchases annually for humanitarian food aid. Reuters reports that the U.S. has already stopped purchases for foreign food aid programs.
  
  Is anyone thinking any of this through? Seems like we just have people running through the china shop with hammers...
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  GA Andersonposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
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  GA Andersonposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  Yes, there are a lot of areas of possible conflict. As is frequently quoted: There are always possibilities.
  
  Your next question should be what are the probabilities? Have you considered that question? My perception of his 'history' is that the probability is very low.
  
  I'm also waiting for the 'receipts', but there is a lot of information on the DOGE X account that appears a lot more 'official' than the lists being found online. You may not trust that account either, but it's a start.
  
  Then, just to be technically correct (as I understand it) Musk, et al, are not cutting any programs, they are flagging programs to be 'examined' (aka cut). Musk has presidential and legal (debatable?) authority to order the 'pause'. Your "Little Marco" will authorize those decisions, not Musk.
  
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  Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  Me too--- waiting for the tally, of savings, which most likely will be done monthly. I appreciate the transparency DOGE is offering. Looks as if the month's savings thus far are substantial.
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  Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  They actually aren't offering anything in the way of transparency. Lists of programs with expenditures do not equate to transparency. They certainly do not equate to fraud that is being accused. Where is the analysis of the costs that will be born out of the so-called savings?
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  Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  Even if Elon Musk can eliminate all of foreign aid... It's a whopping 1% of our federal budget. Maybe that savings can be used for Gaz-A-Lago. Looks like we're all happy with inflation in the grocery prices. LOL. Look here not there
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  Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  Hasn't usaid been cut? I mean staffing cut by it looks like three quarters maybe? Enough to render it essentially useless? Out of business?
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  GA Andersonposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  It looks like it's been 'cut' as an independent agency. I don't know who authorized it, do you?
  
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  Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  Looks like Trump has ordered it's liquidation by way of Musk's recommendation. Kneecapping it by cutting it down to a miniscule number of employees. I mean where's the cost - benefit analysis? Seems like a businessman of Elon Musk's caliber would be able to have such produced for the American people to consider. I'm not okay with the idea of saving a few cents today only to pay tenfold down the road.
  
  Update, just breaking... a judge pauses the dismantling of USAID
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  IslandBitesposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  How an ex-State Department official fueled Elon Musk’s attack on USAID
  Mike Benz appeared on Joe Rogan’s podcast in late December to discuss USAID, spurring Musk’s first mention of the agency
  
  According to a Washington Post analysis, Musk did not mention USAID on X until Dec. 10, when he began sharing commentary from Benz’s appearance on Rogan’s show the week before.
  
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … t-checker/
  
  The White House’s wildly inaccurate claims about USAID spending
  
  Eleven out of 12 claims about the agency’s work are misleading, wrong or lack context.
  
  As the Trump administration this week dismantled the U.S. Agency for International Development, the primary vehicle for U.S. foreign aid, the White House issued a statement justifying its actions. Titled “At USAID, Waste and Abuse Runs Deep,” the news release claimed USAID “has been unaccountable to taxpayers as it funnels massive sums of money to the ridiculous — and, in many cases, malicious — pet projects of entrenched bureaucrats, with next-to-no oversight.”
  
  The news release then listed 12 examples, plucked from the websites of right-wing media. But the numbers cited — as low as $32,000 — hardly justify the claim that these are “massive sums” of money. In fact, they are so low that some of the funds appear to have been awarded at the ambassador level, without Washington involvement. At least one dated from the first Trump administration, and some were actually State Department grants, not USAID.
  
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … oge-usaid/
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  Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  "As a note, Musk has Billions in DoD contracts. Instead of viewing that as a plus, for both the DoD and Musk, you see it as proof he can't be trusted. That's twisted."
  
  I don't know... This sure didn't age well
  
  "When Elon Musk came to the White House asking me for help on all of his many subsidized projects, whether it’s electric cars that don’t drive long enough, driverless cars that crash, or rocketships to nowhere, without which subsidies he’d be worthless, and telling me how he was a big Trump fan and Republican, I could have said, ‘drop to your knees and beg,’ and he would have done it,”
  
  Have they come to a mutual agreement that benefits both?
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  Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  Your perception may not be accurate, only you presume that it is. If there is waste, fraud and abuse let's ferret it out.
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  "You have assumed the worst-case scenarios of Musk and DOGE, even though you have no proof or drivers for those assumptions beyond your political opposition (right?)."
  
  WRONG, in my world the only way to be certain that something won't be done is to make it so that it can't be done. Yes, I assume the worse case scenarios, because NO One is to be given a blank check or held beyond a standard of accountability. You never answered me, what about Musk, do you really believe that he could be objective about this project when he make so much money tied up with DOD on his "gee whiz" projects? How many sole source contracts, who is watching him, yet assuming that he would actually gore his own ox in this federal streamline process? You may think that he is a genius, just like your guy, Donald Trump, alias, stable genius. But, it more than about IQ, it's also about experience and wisdom, concepts the Right always ignores. So, no, I don't trust him and if I truly wanted to slander him, you can bet that I would have used more choice words. I don't care who he is, there is the consideration of conflict of interest first and partisan preference in the cutting right next to that. Your view has to be twisted to completely ignore what is obvious for most of us.
  
  Yes, the findings are disturbing, but let's go to DOD when he makes the same investigation finding and identify waste with as equally great zeal, then I will believe that he could be an honest broker. But, regardless of what he finds, on whose authority can he turn agencies and their appropriated spending upside down?
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  Ken Burgessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  Thats the key... defunding... as much as possible.
  
  If the Trump Admin has the authority to cut funding to this, or any Agency, then there should be NO court in the country with the authority to pause it.
  
  Its funny... Biden can sign America up for things like the Global Compact on Migration, the Paris Accord, or a war with Russia or Iran... but when a new President tries to cut expenses and fraud, look out, judges from everywhere pop up to stop it.
  
  But hey... Democracy must be OK still, despite Trump being President, again, if some half-wit politically biased judge can put a stop to something as simple as the President shutting down some minor Federal Agency that is clearly fraudulently using taxpayer money.
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  Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  "If the Trump Admin has the authority to cut funding to this, or any Agency, then there should be NO court in the country with the authority to pause it."
  
  But the Constitution vests the power of the purse exclusively in the legislative branch...Congress decides what deserves funding, and how much.
  
  "if some half-wit politically biased judge can put a stop to something as simple as the President shutting down some minor Federal Agency that is clearly fraudulently using taxpayer money."
  
  Where is the evidence of fraud?
  
  Is it within the president's power to shut down an agency that was created by congress?
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  Ken Burgessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  Now these are good questions.
  
  Hopefully many of them get answered in the months to come.
  
  I don't think much of it is very clear cut, anymore, many powers had been shifted over to the Presidency, increasingly so, since the collapse of the USSR.
  
  The problem with that... as we are all going to become much more aware of... is when the Presidency gets out of their control...
  
  They were able to weather the 1st Trump Presidency because he was going into that job relatively clueless as to how any of it really worked...
  
  They had to expose themselves to negate much of his efforts, they had to pull out every trick in the book, use intelligence tactics that had formerly only been unleashed on foreign governments...
  
  They might have been able to get away with it all... if Biden hadn't already become mentally incompetent, and the criminality of all that Biden had done prior to becoming President not so deep, so damning... hard to point at Trump and call him a criminal when everything surrounding Biden, family included, was a walking poster of felonies and fraud.
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  GA Andersonposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  Yes, I do believe Musk can be objective, even in the DOD arena. I don't know that he has any no-compete contracts—in areas where there is competition, but he has beaten his competition on bid contracts, ie. his Starship vs Boeing's Starliner. (ps. Trump is not "my guy" and you know it yet still use it as a slander, Tsk Tsk.).
  
  As a side note: I've been wondering what he will run into when he gets to DoD. If we can believe any of the 'news' we've heard in our lifetime about projects that should be canceled, bases that should be closed, and the Military/Industrial Complex, etc., that were kept alive by political influence, I'm thinking there will be some easy stuff at first, but there will be political bloodbaths over the big stuff.
  
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  Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  Understood, but Musk still stands to make a lot of money in the DOD arena. We all have to take oaths and be vetted to eliminate potential conflicts of interest particularely in the tasks that Musk has been assigned, and I make no exception for Trump or his nominees. You have faith regarding Musk that I don't have.
  
  Yes, there will be terror, terror, over upcoming political bloodbaths that are sure to come and I bet that Musk will back off before disturbing any Republican sacred cow.
  
  After the tsunami that he has been stirring up in London and Berlin, I like him even less.
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  GA Andersonposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  Fitting with your thoughts of blaming the Democrats . . . with a Musk tangent . . .
  
  What did the Democrats do to turn a solid Democrat-voting successful world-changing entrepreneur into an energized Republican voter and supporter?
  
  Or, would you argue that the Democrats didn't drive him away, he simply went nuts and turned Republican?
  
  I think If you looked around to confirm your reasons for your answers to those questions, you would end up less concerned about Musk making more money or succumbing to 'standard' political and oligarch corruption.
  
  What I found while looking for support was that he ain't that guy. He's not doing this for money. There is nothing typical about him. He might become 'over-enthusiastic' (ie. Germany/Britain) and go off the rails, but it won't be due to corruption or a thirst for power.
  
  We might find out fairly soon.
  
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  tsmogposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  "What did the Democrats do to turn a solid Democrat-voting successful world-changing entrepreneur into an energized Republican voter and supporter?"
  
  Oops! Just adding to the dialogue. Curious with the statement above I discovered many interesting articles on Musk's transition as well as some on his educational background in his early life laying his foundation.
  
  For instance he is big into German philosophers like Hegel. More modern philosophers he chose Douglas Adams author of the Htichhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. As far as authors two other favorites are J.R.R. Tolkien and Isaac Asimov. With Asimov think the Mars connection. If one explores those one should bear in mind the themes of the social and political commentary hidden within the literature.
  
  Anyway, choosing amongst the articles the one next gives a timeline of Musk and and his participation in politics that is a 'known'. In other words, public knowledge. I am sure more could be added as well is open to discussion. It is an easy, quick read and may be eye opening.
  
  When did Elon Musk become… this? by Crikey - Analysis/Politics
  Chronicling the transmogrification of a free market environmentalist billionaire to 'dark, gothic MAGA'.
  https://www.crikey.com.au/2025/01/31/el … ald-trump/
  
  "How did he journey from a self-described “moderate” who voted Democrat, sparred with Donald Trump and talked about climate change, to the “dark, gothic MAGA” figure we now see?"
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  GA Andersonposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  Your linked article chronicles events as I found them in my early look-abouts.
  
  I've seen his interview about his trans daughter. As he describes it, the mother and experts convinced him that his son would commit suicide if Musk didn't allow the transition. He agreed, but, after the fact, felt he had been tricked into losing a son.
  
  That could have been what pushed him into the MAGA camp. *shrug"
  
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  Miebakagh57posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  I'm laughing and rolling! So a big billionaire like Musk, can be tricked into doing something grazy or foolish? OMG!
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  Miebakagh57posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  Yea, very interesting indeed. Curiously, you're in many that lean to the Dem and expect Kamala, to swept off the poll. But Trump won. Why should not he?
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  Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  Why should he had what??
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Ken Burgessposted 5 weeks ago
Not for nothing, but the WaPo is little more than a rag of misinformation used by those who want to protect the corruption that is being exposed.
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  Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
  Can specifically point out the misinformation or the disinformation with sources of correction?
  
  Better yet, do you have any validation of the accusations of fraud Elon Musk has been making?
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Miebakagh57posted 5 weeks ago
Carpet crossing is a common nature of some politicians. Why their do it is best known to them.
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