Cancelling my account. Can't support Trump's America

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   Will Apseposted 5 months ago

   Hubpages was very good for me and I thank the staff for all their help but it really is time to go.
   
   I won't be involving myself in any discussion.

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      Nathanvilleposted 5 months agoin reply to this

      I know exactly how you feel; I've all but stopped "involving myself in any discussion" with a country that has suddenly become an authoritarian nation ruled by a ruthless dictator.

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         Ken Burgessposted 5 months agoin reply to this

         Wow... Not talking to anyone in the UK?
         
         Well that makes sense ...I hear they arrest people in the UK for posting anything the state considers offensive.  Best to keep quiet and opinions to oneself.

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            Miebakagh57posted 5 months agoin reply to this

            So the UK has a dictatorial bent?

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      Kenna McHughposted 5 months agoin reply to this

      Discussing ideology on the forum shows how non sequitur is not writing for HP because of Trump.

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      chef-de-jourposted 5 months agoin reply to this

      Matt Wells, Guardian of Protocol and Forum Efficiency, please transfer this thread to wherever it can find a home.

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      JerryFisherposted 5 months agoin reply to this

      Will it's been 21 hours and you still haven't cancelled your account. We're all waiting.

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         Kenna McHughposted 5 months agoin reply to this

         And waiting...

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            Miebakagh57posted 5 months agoin reply to this

            Waiting for...? It's useless.

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      Sharlee01posted 5 months agoin reply to this

      Will, I’ve been posting on the HP Political forum for many years, but I don’t recall ever seeing a post from you. Perhaps you meant to post your farewell elsewhere. If the discussions here bother you, you can always step away from them and focus on writing articles instead. It’s a shame to see you go, especially since you don’t have to engage in conversations that conflict with your beliefs. Not sure your farewell needed to be a full thread --- But it seems you wanted your farewell to make a statement. It seems to have worked. So long fellow hubber---

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      Kenna McHughposted 5 months agoin reply to this

      I thought I unfollowed this post. I am still seeing it. Do you have any tips on how I can unfollow this post?

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      Kenna McHughposted 5 months agoin reply to this

      He's gone!

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      TheShadowSpecterposted 5 months agoin reply to this

      I have no way to get to your account from here, Will Apse, so you must have already canceled your account.  I never like to see anyone cancel their HP account, even when they disagree with me on just about everything.  I'm sorry to see you go.

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   Rachelle Williamsposted 5 months ago

   Wait. What? What's going on?

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      Nathanvilleposted 5 months agoin reply to this

      Trump (the authoritarian dictator) is what's going on.

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   Miebakagh57posted 5 months ago

   How come Trump, is a dictator? Is that not another evil label on his person?

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      Nathanvilleposted 5 months agoin reply to this

      How come - have you not been watching the news?  Have you not seen the way he is bullying the leaders of the freely elected governments in the free democracies in Europe; including the UK, France and Ukraine.  Have you not seen him cosying up to other authoritarian leaders around the world, including Israel and Russia.

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         Miebakagh57posted 5 months agoin reply to this

         Of course, I get the news. Leadership has different styles.                                  In his first term, could you say his leadership style is different from this second term?

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            Nathanvilleposted 5 months agoin reply to this

            He wasn't such a tyrant then, but bad enough:  But he's had four years to plan and plot.  And knowing what Trump is like, it should have been obvious to anyone during the Presidential election campaign (for those who doesn't burry their head in the sand) what horrors was in store for America, and the world, if Trump got back into power. 
            
            The writing was on the wall....
            
            It's no different to how Hitler got into power - history repeating itself.

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               Miebakagh57posted 5 months agoin reply to this

               Yes, the writing was on the wall. Trump said: America have only two agena, male and female.

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   Venkatachari Mposted 5 months ago

   Canceling your account can't bring any good to your country.

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      Nathanvilleposted 5 months agoin reply to this

      No, but I don't need to put up with the BS being spouted by Trump supporters on HP:  I've got far better ways to spend my spare time.

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         Ken Burgessposted 5 months agoin reply to this

         Trump isn't going away anytime soon... Vance will step in if he does, Kennedy, Gabbard, etc have been sworn in and are getting to work.
         
         This is the beginning of the beginning of Trump. Not the end.
         
         No point trying to pretend otherwise.
         
         No point pretending your country is better...where if you say the wrong thing in a post on the internet your UK police come and arrest you for it.

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            Credence2posted 5 months agoin reply to this

            No Ken,
            
            For this country to continue as a representative democracy supporting the principles of national sovereignty and self determination of people, Trumpism must be eliminated as a stain on our national character.
            
            There are gremlins like me that use tools with the precision of escavators digging for prehistoric artififacts. There are many and we keep working digging at the Trumpism edifice. We are small but our numbers will increase as the voters begin to understand the meaning of buyers remorse. We will chip away until we create a fissure that will turn into a crack and it all will ultimately collapse as pile of rubble. 
            
            With all of the town halls in Republican states and districts, with Republicans Trumper representatives doing everything they can to avoid hostile constituents concerning  Musk's overeach with his DOGE now seen as a vicious animal by many, it has not exactly been Muskrat Love.
            
            It will come down to whether this nation will ultimately survive or whether we will reduce ourselves to a post apocalyptic environment. Do we all return to Plymouth Rock and start all over? Rest assured that Trump and Trumpism will not stand......

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               wildernessposted 5 months agoin reply to this

               "There are gremlins like me that use tools with the precision of escavators digging for prehistoric artififacts."
               
               You would do far better to turn your tools and efforts to excavating the truth and the goals behind your liberalism.  Find the racism inherent in today's liberals and throw it away.  Discard the efforts to radicalize our morals and the very roots of our society.  Trash the demands to believe what isn't true, like men becoming women.  Protect those being harmed, like the sportswomen forced to compete against men.  Cast out the spending habits and build some that are sustainable. 
               
               Your distorted view of what you label "Trumpism", meaning to denigrate anyone finding anything good with Trump's policies, are what will destroy our country, not the actual, real things going on today.  The reason is that if you could dig it out you (and others like you) would replace it with liberal fantasies that cannot survive in the real world.  The end game of that is undeniable.

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                  Credence2posted 5 months agoin reply to this

                  My liberalism is on as solid ground as is your entrenched conservatism with its anachronistic attitudes and values.
                  
                  Musk is a blind man with a chainsaw, the very worse of what happens when extremely wealthy men are allowed to dominate the rest of us. Oligarchy?
                  
                  Because of the pusillanimous attitudes of so many, someone like Trump is allowed to slip through their hands like any slippery serpent. So many people that are cowardly and afraid to take a stand, that is not what we need now.
                  
                  Your crowd is ripe with racists and misogynists and I can only offer them and their supporters my utter contempt.
                  
                  I find as much good in Trump’s policies as you found in Biden’s, right?
                  
                  Your right wing DOGE is going to go too far then me and others will be waiting with our truncheons around the corner. I speak figuratively, but I will use every method that is lawful to bring Trump and his band of thieves to their knees.
                  
                  I do not denigrate you, but I will attack Trump as an enemy, and from my point of view that is what he is.

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         Kathleen Cochranposted 5 months agoin reply to this

         Nathanville: Amen. The few here who post every day have done a really good job of running off anyone who disagrees with them. It's a shame. This site used to have interesting discussions. Now it has diatribes.

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            Nathanvilleposted 5 months agoin reply to this

            Thanks:  Yes, I have seen discussions in these forums on HP deteriorate into diatribes by Trump supporters in recent times, which is a great shame.  It’s not just their lack of heart, and their lack of willingness to listen to others in debate; it’s also the BIG LIES that they live by and promote.

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               Kathleen Cochranposted 5 months agoin reply to this

               When I was a newspaper editor we had two rules that would do well to be applied here on HP discussion boards. The lede (opening paragraph) of a story should not be more than 35 words and no story on the front page was more than 500 words - the rest would be jumped to an inside page.
               
               Too many hubbers here like to use 1000 words when their point could be made in 500 - or better yet - 35.

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   Rachelle Williamsposted 5 months ago

   @Nathanville -  As a person who has loathed the man since the 80s, because I have always known that the content of his character is dark...this new reality is horrific. His second win has put me in somewhat of a state of shock and depression, so I've tried to keep my head down and ignore whatever he's doing, because there's nothing I can do about it except worry - I voted, it didn't work, what else can I do? Give me the time and place to protest and I'm there, but what else can I do? Let me clarify my initial question - what does Trump have to do with Hubpages? Why would someone leave Hubpages because of what Trump is doing?

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      Nathanvilleposted 5 months agoin reply to this

      I'm not actually leaving HubPages, because I do have 100s of articles on it which is earning me money.
      
      But I am certainly withdrawing from the HubPages forums because I don't need to put up with all the BS being spouted by Trump supporters on the HubPages forums:  I've got far better ways to spend my spare time.

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   PaulGoodman67posted 5 months ago

   Making such a dramatic announcement without any real explanation, along with posting "I'm not going to discuss this" in a discussion forum is not what I would have expected from Will Apse.
   
   The Trump/Musk menace to the US and world is real, in my opinion, but this announcement feels like attention seeking.

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      Nathanvilleposted 5 months agoin reply to this

      I know exactly how Will Apse feels; and it's not attention seeking - it's anger.

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         PaulGoodman67posted 5 months agoin reply to this

         If you know exactly how he feels, the obvious question is why don't you stop discussing it and shut down your account?
         
         Seriously, though, there's a politics section for the stuff you want to say. Whether it's driven by anger or another emotion isn't really the point.
         
         Will Apse hasn't been active here for many years, so it's mystifying why he believes that he's been helping Trump by having an old account. But I guess we'll never find out.
         
         Maybe he wanted to burn out rather than fade away.

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            theraggededgeposted 5 months agoin reply to this

            Mystifying

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            Kenna McHughposted 5 months agoin reply to this

            It's not rational, that's for sure.

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   Rupert Taylorposted 5 months ago

   This doesn't belong in this space, which is supposed to be about the craft of writing, although these days it does seem to be more of a platform for those seeking to sell untested supplements, courses at Indian seats of learning, and how to deal with dubious cryptocurrency peddlers.

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      theraggededgeposted 5 months agoin reply to this

      Exactly. Maybe this thread/form is being mistaken for a different one?

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   theraggededgeposted 5 months ago

   This is the writing forum. Maybe this thread should be moved to Topical?

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      Credence2posted 5 months agoin reply to this

      Hello, I remember you, nice to see you again. I want to apologize, you had invited me to check out a publication of your 2 or 3 years ago and I never followed through.
      
      We were in the midst of buying a new house and I had to deny my spouse the new dress she wanted, and what is good for the goose had to be good for the gander.
      
      I was putting out more than a few fires at the time and many promises and obligations fell by the wayside.
      
      Best regards.....

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   FatFreddysCatposted 5 months ago

   "I'm cancelling my account because of Trump"
   
   ...yeah, that'll show him. Way to go.

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      Sharlee01posted 5 months agoin reply to this

      Yes--- great comment

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      Kathleen Cochranposted 5 months agoin reply to this

      I believe he said because of these discussions about Trump.
      
      Those kinds of comments won't slow down the nauseum commenters here.

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    PaulGoodman67posted 5 months ago

    Posting to a discussion site and saying I don't want to discuss this is incoherent.
    
    I thought Will had maybe already left as he'd done the "thank you to the staff, I'm leaving" message before.
    
    It's not uncommon for the "I'm leaving" people to do it repeatedly, often over relatively long periods (weeks, months, years), which is interesting, I can think of quite a few other examples of people who've done this.
    
    Whether this will be the time of leaving or another false alarm we can only speculate.
    
    I find myself in the "fade away" camp. It's quite some time now since I published anything new but I can't see myself closing my account, though I could see myself moving some material elsewhere if I thought there was a better alternative.
    
    I don't see the continuation of my account as a significant matter in regard to US politics, though.

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       Kenna McHughposted 5 months agoin reply to this

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          Willowarborposted 5 months agoin reply to this

          It's posted in "Politics and Social Issues". What's the issue?  A little harsh to call someone's statement idiotic.

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             Kenna McHughposted 5 months agoin reply to this

             It's more direct than others but was under tutorials for a bit. You have a point.

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    Kathleen Cochranposted 5 months ago

    I feel ya, Will. How many times have I said I'm walking away from these frustrating discussions where facts and logic seldom make a dent.
    
    But then I'm back. Somebody has to push back against the tide. Take a breather, then come back and help.

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       Credence2posted 5 months agoin reply to this

       We need your voice to challenge a malevolent force in our governance and politics. Just as Madison Avenue does it, we do it, repeating themes in the hope that reasonable people, non-Trumpers, might be encouraged to think on matters just a little bit.

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          Kathleen Cochranposted 5 months agoin reply to this

          Unfortunately the ones we immediately hear back from are not the reasonable people.

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    Rachelle Williamsposted 5 months ago

    Ah, I see... so my question was answered. OP is leaving because he doesn't want to put up with reading discussions about Trump in the forums. Well, I can't stand Trump or his supporters either, but I don't think Trump or his supporters who post in the forums would care. I say, stay, write, earn your coins and forget about the Trump cultist who post here.

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       Sharlee01posted 5 months agoin reply to this

       I can agree with your sentiments. I don't think the insults of Trump supporters were necessary --- but that is what of a gimmie from a leftist that posts here. We on the right as a rule don't find it necessary to insult those that don't agree with our views. No really, it's odd but true.
       
       I must also say, I have posted on this political forum and never picked up even one post from this gentleman. I think your advice to him is pretty dam wise.

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          Kathleen Cochranposted 5 months agoin reply to this

          "We on the right as a rule don't find it necessary to insult those that don't agree with our views. No really, it's odd but true."
          
          Seriously? Talk about having a one-sided point of view.

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             Sharlee01posted 5 months agoin reply to this

             This is genuinely my perspective: Those of us on the right typically don’t feel the need to insult those who disagree with us. It may seem odd, but it’s true. – Sharlee
             
             I have every right to share my opinion, just as you have every right to dislike it, debate it, respond vaguely, or simply move on. I must say, after all these years, you’ve finally learned how to engage with a comment properly.

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                Kathleen Cochranposted 5 months agoin reply to this

                "Those of us on the right typically don’t feel the need to insult-"
                
                And yet, you just did it again.

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                   Sharlee01posted 5 months agoin reply to this

                   I don’t see any direct insult. You seem to have no trouble adding a sarcastic remark or two—often off-topic—and commenting on others who post here. Yet, it seems you struggle to handle a bit of sarcasm when it happens to reflect the truth about you.

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                      Credence2posted 5 months agoin reply to this

                      What appears to you as sarcasm can be seen by others as a veiled insult.

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                         Sharlee01posted 5 months agoin reply to this

                         Sometimes truth can be very biting. And sometimes uncalled for, in this incident I feel it was called for. Hyppocrcy pisses me off, sorry about that. Thankfully, free speech lets me express agreement and disagreement. Just got to be careful who one directs disagreement to these days. The word of the day is placate, it's always the safest, more gentle way to go.

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    Rachelle Williamsposted 5 months ago

    @sharlee01 I will agree. It's not nice to insult people who disagree with our views, so I sincerely apologize. But I will completely disagree with any such nonsense as "we on the right as a rule don't find it necessary to insult those that don't agree with our views," because I have witnessed otherwise on numerous occasions. I realize engaging in this debate any further would be a complete waste of time, as it seems unlikely that we will find common ground, so have a nice life.

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       Credence2posted 5 months agoin reply to this

       Rachelle, I will virulently attack the ideas of Trumpism and the Right as part of an education. While no holds are barred, it is not personal. I cannot be intimidated not to call out what is clearly a malevolent trend in American politics.

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          Sharlee01posted 5 months agoin reply to this

          Cred, I have no problem with that style of reply. But let's be truthful, most here that represent the right are not as apt to use inflammatory name calling. I mean it's free speech, but when someone makes the claim it's the other way around --- I am speaking up. I don't like to be referred to as a "cultist".  I pointed out a clear fact... Which I can now that I spoke my truth can walk away.

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             Credence2posted 5 months agoin reply to this

             No one is calling YOU a cultist, Name calling against my Republican adversary is small potatoes compared to the composite attacks from the Right against the Left on this forum which includes insults that are just as offensive, but gift wrapped. Trump behaves in a tyrannical way regarding our established system of Governance, thus the term “Tyrant” is appropriate. What you might call “name calling” is evaluating and describing behavior as I see it. But, you don’t have to agree with my assessment, yet without Trump doing a 180, it remains mine.
             
             I have spoken my truth and your views are not necessarily universally accepted as gospel….
             
             It’s got to be strong to last long….

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       Sharlee01posted 5 months agoin reply to this

       Hey, just say it as I see it. Please take a moment or two to read a few of the comments on any of the threads on the political forum. I respect your stepping away. Sometimes this is the best thing to do. But, please have a look at a few of the threads here. I have no problem, just spoke my truth. Respect you for speaking your. We just use a different way of communicating out thoughts.

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          Credence2posted 5 months agoin reply to this

          I have been trying to tell you that for a few years, that your views are hardly the only correct ones.We on the left think in a different pattern regardless of  the fact the Right tries to discredit it.  And there still remains quite a few of us out here.

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       Kathleen Cochranposted 5 months agoin reply to this

       Rachelle: You are not alone. Best to post your opposing views without interacting with some on this site.

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    Rachelle Williamsposted 5 months ago

    @Credence2 Clearly, indeed. Carry on.

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    Miebakagh57posted 5 months ago

    Let's not bring mucky politics into it.

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