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   Willowarborposted 3 weeks ago

   It's interesting isn't it that certain posters who happen to be right wing are able to continually personally attack and assault others on this forum.  Not even to mention the condescension.
   
   I have been called a liar and that possibly I was born yesterday.... And that's just today lol.  Maybe I should go back and compile the others that have been hurled toward me and others here on the left...
   
   Had any rate, at least there's a place to compile them now.

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      Readmikenowposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      Guess what?
      
      That is kind talk compared to some of the things the left has said to me directly on this forum.
      
      I've experienced everything from questioning my military service, to my intellect, to my heritage, as well as sexual orientation.  Stupid, ignorant, crazy, pathetic, etc. are some of the things people have said to me.
      
      I say...SO?
      
      Let them say what they want.  These are simply words on a computer screen and nothing more.  I am not bothered by it because I can take it.
      
      I know who and what I am so whatever anyone on this form says about me doesn't matter.  I'm secure enough in myself that they can say whatever they want and it won't phase me.
      
      I welcome it because it says more about them than it does me.  It also shows the world the reality of liberals.
      
      I don't look for personal validation from other people.  I CERTAINLY don't look for it from other people on a forum on the internet.
      
      I think it's important to keep things in perspective and don't let people on any internet forum have power over your feelings.
      
      That is a bad path to travel down that only leads to lots of negativity.

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         Ken Burgessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

         We all know you're just a cry-baby Mike...
         
         Boo hoo, your feelings were hurt by the bad words they typed about you...
         
         Don't worry... when the Democrats get back in control the government is going to make hurtful words illegal... the equivalent to physical assault and probably policed far more intently.
         
         You know, like in the UK, where they arrest on average 33 people a day for  making hurtful or offensive posts online... and that population is far smaller than ours.
         
         Best thing to do then is not participate in the online insanity... problem solved.  Its going to be tough for a lot of people when they institute the Social Credit system that controls your access to your Digital Wallet.

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         Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

         The problem? The right wing posters here are rarely banned .

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         Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

         Your posts are among the most egregious. Condescending, rude and insulting

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            Readmikenowposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            "Your posts are among the most egregious. Condescending, rude and insulting"
            
            Yeah, isn't free speech great?
            
            AND nobody from the left ever has to worry about me reporting them for anything they say to me.  Like I said, I can take it.  I don't look for validation on the internet.
            
            Give me your best shot lefties.

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      abwilliamsposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      A few years ago, there was a guy who came along.... more of a wolf in sheep's clothing! He was instrumental in getting, at least two writers that I personally know of, permanently banned. He came looking for trouble, he sought out those he could work up, get a rise out of, then reported them. Afterwards, he disappeared like a thief in the night!
      I have been with HP for 14 years. There have been a lot of writers/forum participants, come and go. Many, have been permanently banned. There are people on both sides of the political spectrum who often take things too far... it's just how it is, and has always been! Politics get people worked up, but for the most part (until recently, with article Stats) it has always worked out, and operated smoothly here at HP.
      I have never reported anyone and never would. When I was referred to as "sub-human", "half-human", and described as "not yet reaching the ideal of humanity", I did write an article around it. Actually, I have done that more than once. That's  how I choose to deal with it.
      
      If people come around looking for trouble, they can find it. If they are easily offended, it won't  take long. If they want to silence a different opinion, they can make that happen, but I would hate to see this forum disappear!

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         Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

         The problem? I am not able to make the same statements that the right wingers are making... I plan to put examples in this thread.  My first would be from wilderness... Just a day or so ago

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            abwilliamsposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            Don't make trouble, just move on if it's not the place for you.

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               Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

               I deserve respect in this form as much as the right wing.

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                  abwilliamsposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Respect has to be earned.
                  Let this go...

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                     Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                     So you're agreeing with the comments that have been level toward me?

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                     Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                     Are you implying that I haven't earned the respect and the insults hurled at me are perfectly okay? Is that what you're saying?

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                        Sharlee01posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                        I have politely asked you to provide the posts that you have complained about. I would like to see them and see the full context regarding your complaint.  You claimed this occurred in he last 24 hours. Please offer links.

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                           Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                           Can you see what's been posted here?
                           
                           I have also responded directly to the posts...

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                        abwilliamsposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                        Not at all. You stated that respect is deserved, but it's not, it's earned. It was a clarification; nothing more, nothing less.

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         Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

         Easily offended? My point is that I am not able to say the same things, the same condescending, nasty things that the right wingers are on this forum...

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            Readmikenowposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            "I am not able to say the same things, the same condescending, nasty things that the right wingers are on this forum..."
            
            Not with that attitude.  You need to put some work and effort into it for these things to happen.

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               Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

               What attitude?

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      Sharlee01posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      Not to be disrespectful, but you’ve made some serious claims — you mentioned that you’ve been called a liar and even that you might’ve been “born yesterday,” and that was just today, lol. I’d like to see the links to those accusations. I think it’s fair to see the full conversation for proper context.  I think it’s fair to ask you to provide the posts.
      
      And yes, "Had any rate, at least there's a place to compile them now." Willow

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         Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

         I've never implied that someone is ignorant or lying....

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            Sharlee01posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            "I've never implied that someone is ignorant or lying...." willow
            
            
            What? That was not my question, nor did I imply you anyone was ignorant or a liar.
            
            Sharlee01 wrote:
            Not to be disrespectful, but you’ve made some serious claims — you mentioned that you’ve been called a liar and even that you might’ve been “born yesterday,” and that was just today, lol. I’d like to see the links to those accusations. I think it’s fair to see the full conversation for proper context.  I think it’s fair to ask you to provide the posts.

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               Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

               How many times do I need to repost???????

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   Willowarborposted 3 weeks ago

   

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      Sharlee01posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      "I have been called a liar and that possibly I was born yesterday.... And that's just today lol. "   Willow

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         Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

         Yeah.. so that's fair huh?

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         Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

         I responded directly too the wilderness post where he says I was potentially born yesterday....

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            Sharlee01posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            This is why I hoped to see links to follow a full conversation. When you can see the exchange in context, it’s clear that as some discussions progress, frustration builds and snarky remarks appear. That kind of back-and-forth doesn’t really promote meaningful conversation, though I can understand why it happens in a political forum. Personally, I don’t like it, and I always call out a poster if I feel they’ve insulted me. I think that’s a fair and constructive way to handle it.

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               Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

               I've provided the screenshot..... What was said... Was said.  I don't think the conversation prior to the statement makes the statement more okay... But please go back and review the conversation and find some way to defend it.
               
               "You might have been born yesterday, I wasn't"

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                  Sharlee01posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                  I just had hope to point out that a conversation can build and result in insults. Perhaps it was a two-way street.  I think it's just smart to avert conversations that one pretty well realizes will end up in disagreement.

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                     DrMark1961posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                     I do not understand why the adults on here can drop things so much more simply. Even when I traded personal insults with Eso, which resulted in both of us being banned, we just dropped it. He was an adult about it, even if I had been making nasty comments.

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                        Sharlee01posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                        Doc,  I actually agree it’s usually best to let things go and move on when discussions get heated. Political conversations seem to reach a boiling point faster than ever these days, often hitting a wall where no real understanding can happen. Over the past few weeks, I’ve started picking and choosing where I join in. I’ve learned to draw a line; if I can already tell my views are so far apart from someone else’s that there’s no chance of meeting in the middle, there’s really no reason to engage. The divide in ideologies has become the real problem. I can’t move beyond what I believe, just as I’m sure those on the other side feel the same.

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                     Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                     If someone ends their conversation and insults.. that's on them.  I'm not averting conversations because someone else doesn't know how to converse civilly.... Sadly I'm the one who ends up sanctioned though that's quite clear.. and I am unable to utilize permalink here

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                        Sharlee01posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                        Gosh, not sure what to say--- I feel this is more hurtful for you than you have shared.
                        
                        I get that—it’s frustrating when conversations end in insults and you feel like you’re the one taking the fallout for it. None of us enjoy that. Still, it can help to step back and look at how the exchange built up before it reached both walking away pissed off.  Sometimes it’s not just what we say, but how it comes across in writing that shapes how people respond. This is a chat, and context can get very messy.
                        
                        You clearly care about the topics you discuss, and oh my, that passion shows. But a little patience can go a long way toward keeping things productive.

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                           Ken Burgessposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                           And a fond farewell...

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   Willowarborposted 3 weeks ago

   

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   Willowarborposted 3 weeks ago

   There are four far right posters here that I can go back and repost a load of very insulting commentary toward myself... Should I do that?

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   Willowarborposted 3 weeks ago

   

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      DrMark1961posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      You think it is okay for some leftist to come on here and challege my constitutional knowledge but not okay for me to do the same?

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         Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

         Your statement... "Wallow in your ignorance"
         
         Rude, personally attacking, condescending... If I would make the same statement.. I'd be suspended... Yet here you are.
         
         LOL and this isn't even the most egregious of your statements

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            DrMark1961posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            You are kind of proving your point. I always treated you with respect until you started to attack me. In case you do not choose to remember, I made a comment about the US judicial system and you informed me that I did not understand it. It was over, and yet once again you choose to pull my conversation in here to a thread I was not even on. Stop the attacks, no one wants to hear that from you.

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      Sharlee01posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      This is why I hoped to see the full context of a conversation --- I think it is wise to first read ECO's comment, it clearly was provocative, and opened the door to a provocative response.

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         Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

         Really? It opened the door to him saying "you prefer to wallow in your ignorance"
         
         That statement is not a personal attack? Rude? Condescending?

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            Readmikenowposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            But...is it true?

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               Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

               Is what true?

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               Sharlee01posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

               "Personally, I'm sick of and had enough of the condescending, rude and personal attacks from the right wing posters here... LOL I've been restricted for not staying on topic yet the right wing posters continue to hurl insults." Willow
               
               Mike, we need to keep things peaceful and focused on productive political discussion. This is a political site, and this thread isn’t about politics; it’s turned into a personal grievance. Please step back and walk away. Engaging further only fuels a conversation that has no political relevance. This kind of stuff is exactly what drags a political forum down, making it unpleasant to visit and participate in.

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                  gmwilliamsposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Exactly.

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                     Ken Burgessposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                     ... Fair ladies...

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               Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

               Is it true that I'm ignorant? Is that the question you're posing???

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   Willowarborposted 3 weeks ago

   Here it is again...
   
   

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   Willowarborposted 3 weeks ago

   And yet again...
   
   
   

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    Willowarborposted 3 weeks ago

    So it looks like it is perfectly clear that the statement...
    
    "You prefer to wallow in your ignorance"
    
    Is an acceptable response... Calling someone ignorant.  Noted.

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    Willowarborposted 3 weeks ago

    And also noted that it looks perfectly acceptable to make the accusation toward another poster that they are "lying by omission"
    
    

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    Willowarborposted 3 weeks ago

    And of course it looks like it is perfectly acceptable to state that someone was born yesterday.... Noted
    
    

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    Willowarborposted 3 weeks ago

    Personally, I'm sick of and had enough of the condescending, rude and personal attacks from the right wing posters here... LOL I've been restricted for not staying on topic yet the right wing posters continue to hurl insults.

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 weeks ago

    Attitude is everything. I avoid bad attitudes from others ... wherever they are.

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       gmwilliamsposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

       Hello Kathryn, haven't seen you in quite a while.  You are missed.

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    Willowarborposted 3 weeks ago

    What I find most troubling about the state of this forum is that moderation lets misinformation fly while suspending the more liberal posters we're not staying on topic LOL... Most of the right wingers here post misinformation daily

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       DrMark1961posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

       As opposed to the leftists on this forum, who post misinformation hourly.

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          Ken Burgessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

          Fact.

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             DrMark1961posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

             It kind of makes me wonder what else they do not have going on in their lives to have so many hours to spend here and waste so many hours a day worrying about Trump.

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          gmwilliamsposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

          Amen Dr. Mark.

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    IslandBitesposted 2 weeks ago

    Again, really? You snowflakes are laughable. So sensible.
    
    SMH

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago

    Thank you for your note, gm Williams.

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       Ken Burgessposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

       Once more. One final time...
       
       Into the breach... and then fare thee well.

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