But indeed the article says he's sorry. One can assume he's ashamed of something---either getting caught or else ashamed of his actual behavior. That's something many people have none of---shame for being involved in perversion. That shame leads to repentance if one is willing to do so. And that's the only salvation any person has.
Nicely put Mark.. Christians today are really complete fcuk-ups..
What annoys me the most is those that preach against something like homosexuality and in the end you find out they've been homosexuals for a gazzilion years!
Christians should learn to understand that its not their words that people listen to.. it's their actions that people see. I believe the book of James puts that very clearly that "be yea doers of the word and not hearers only"
Most Christians today are just hearers and hypocrites and thank God he doesn't judge us according to our sins
So do we know for sure WHY he was at that club? Does he actually have sex with other men or was he just looking to get the gay vote? Maybe he decided their votes count, too. Just like all those people out there who don't give a crap about illegal aliens because they can personally make money from them.
I just love pro-family, Chritian, conservative hypocrites. They are so much fun to watch get caught. In the men's room, in Argentina, in gay bars.
It's why they have a God that doesn't require anything but believing in him to be saved. If they had to earn it, they'd fail miserably. All this guy has to say is I Believe, I'm Sorry and his God says okay. And the Christian followers go along....
Maybe he just likes going to gay bars? I used to love going into gay bars back in Glasgow. If you bumped into someone on the way to the loo or when making your way through a crowd, the gay contingent always said sorry or graciously accepted your apology. In a straight bar you got growled at with "watch where you effen going!" I liked the atmosphere, it was much more relaxed. and p.s. I'm a straight as they come.
Yeah Izzy but you didn't then go on to a political career slagging off said nice gay community did you? Agree with you on the gay night out though. I used to enjoy a night out in Manchesters Canal Street, it was safe, fun and I made loads of good friends.
No you're right. I wouldn't be so two-faced as to say one thing in public and do another in private. But then all politicians are the same. That's why we hate them so much - none of them deserves our vote especially after the expenses scandal. The guy got a DUI too, he must have thought he was above the law. Typical politician!
Nope, nor do I understand where this christian movement came from. There are plenty christian churches in the UK and none of them are gay-bashers, as far as I'm aware. They all accept people for what they are. Even Spain, a Catholic country, allow gay marriages and you never hear of gay-bashing here; the people are tolerant of everything - laid back - when I say everything I obviously don't mean everything - like they hate pedophiles and rapists and murderers and the like - but ordinary people going about their business and not bothering anyone else, no probs.
Yeah, even the Catholic Church seems nastier here - just look at their recent behavior in DC. Apparently they feel that discriminating against people based on their sexual orientation is more important behavior for Christians than helping children and the needy.
Hehe that's true, one of the first questions my future american inlaws asked was what denomination of Christian I was, they did not even conceive that I might not be religious.
Over here in the UK and a fair amount of Europe, religion is much more of a background thing. I can't speak for the entirity of america, since my view is still fairly limited, but even in the liberal areas the religious intolerance seems just a little bit stronger than I am used to, it kinda freaks me out a little bit!
No, the intolerance comes in where I actually have to pretend to be religious to be accepted by her grandparents, just like my fiancée has to pretend to be religious if she wants anything to do her grandparents as well.
That is true intolerance. I don't care if they are religious, but they care if I am not religious.
He might have came....I'm not sure about came out though?? Why does it seem to be the republicans always getting caught with boys or in gay situations?....Or is it just my imagination that they are the ones we hear about all the time??
Kenrick Chatmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
I think a few Democrats have been busted in these types of situations... However, they typically do not vehemently protest this type of behavior like some if not several Republicans. Likewise, people tend to remember Republicans like this individual mentioned in the article.
To be honest the problem is not with the hypocritical gays who promote anti-gay bills, the problem is with those who would have never let them get to the position they are in if they were openly gay. The problem is that in many systems the people who don't let the gays in to power, are the voters.
He will probably be like that minister who was caught in a gay affair (can't remember his name) but his wife has forgiven him and he has said he is not now or has never been gay so all is forgotten now...
However, if he were a liberal politician people would still be calling for his head.
It is fine to be a gay politician but not admitting it to the voters out of fear of reprisal, it is another thing when you are constantly condemning gays and denying them rights.
Mark, Why are you taking such an interest in lil' ol' me? I'm nowhere near as experienced as you around here. But anyway, hey, I do have a hub in the works, dedicated to you. I'm sure you're waiting with bated breath! (NOT) haha.
Not in the slightest. I am pointing out that you are in no position to be pointing the finger at anyone.
I have no interest in saving you whatsoever. But people who go around preaching when they are not perfect invariably cause srife and arguments.
As you do.
So - I am attempting to get you to be a genuine christian instead of a hypocrite in the hope that if I can get enough of you to be so - the world will become a better place.
As an example - The Arch Boishop of Canterbury has been preaching a LOT about the "ills of secular greed" and the need to "invest ethically".
The CoE just recently lost £60 million in a dodgy real estate deal that involved illegally evicting rent controlled tenants from their homes in NYC.
I guess the reason I am so against your religion is that it is very much a "do as I say, not as I do" religion. Disgusting really and has caused 1800 years of wars.
Take yourself as another example.
Publicly claiming to be scared of those who go against the Word - and doing so yourself. Defending yourself all the while. Hypocrites, Brenda - Hypocrites. Jeebus had a few words to say about them also if I recall.
What I'm asking is WHY? WHY do you want me to stop being what you perceive as a hypocrite? That's my question. You said the world would be a better place. How would it be a better place? You said I'm not perfect. I agree! How would the world be a better place if I were perfect?? Jesus was perfect, and yet you refuse to listen to Him. I am "perfect" in Him because I'm a sinner saved by His grace. What is it you're looking for, Mark? Perfection? Then you've missed out on it so far, because you ignore the One who is Perfect.
Absolutely! Obama has the same chance to get forgiveness as anyone else does. But forgiveness requires recognition of one's sin and being repentant for them. I see no indication that Obama is repentant of anything at all.
I wasn't referring to any "soft spot" for me. I mean there must be a soft spot somewhere in your heart for Jesus. But I probably was dreaming to think I could find it. He can, Mark. He can. I just hope there's one there, when He comes to find it.
Well I don't get it. Why can't you have openly gay politicians in the states? I find it funny when I hear the arguments about family values. What kind of family value is it to hate and condemn other people's children or possibly your own?
He's a politician. He has to say what the voters want to hear to keep his job whether he holds the same beliefs or not.
The DUI is what is serious here. That could cause actual harm to another person.
We do have a few openly gay politicians in the U.S., most notably Congressman Barney Frank from Massachusetts, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee. There are several openly gay mayors also. However, in many states and jurisdictions (Red states)being openly gay would mean the odds of getting elected near zero.
It's a list of the top 5 only in 2007... Of course, since then, there have been dozens more.
The intro is hilarious: "It’s gone past ridiculous and straight to the absurd. At this point, it appears your average public restroom has more gay Republicans in it than clean handtowels. The “holier-than-thou” party has spent an awful lot of time on their knees this past year, but they haven’t been doing a lot of praying."
Yes. I thought I made it clear that I think hypocrites are a bad thing and cause conflict and violence wheresoever they go. Was I not clear Brenda? I am not a big fan of deliberately obtuse either. I find it dishonest.
If Barney Frank got caught in the men's restaurant with his pants down and his **** in another guy's mouth, nobody would blink an eye, because Barney Frank has been out for years and doesn't pretend to be something he isn't.
But you can't go around preaching about "family values" and the evils of gay marriage and expect people to let it slide when you get caught in that situation. It's the hypocrisy people are scoffing at, not the orientation.
There seems to be such a focus in the forums between homosexuality and religion/god that I am now curious about whether or not gay people can be Christians in the same context as straight people can be Christians?
I have enjoyed many "debates" with folks here on the Hub, but in the long run, its seems those that believe still believe and those that don't still don't. Why is this?Could it be, Christians, that we allow the nay-sayers to have their say while we are trying to not be...
Quite a powerful story:http://www.danoah.com/2012/04/a-teens-b … e-gay.htmlI think this explains why so many of us are bothered by the "hate the sin, not the sinner" nonsense that many right-wing Christians trot out. Homosexuality is not an act, it's a fundamental orientation, and...
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