Want the Truth About 9/11? Over 1120 Architects and Engineers do . .

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   sannyasinmanposted 14 years ago

   How can 200'000 tons of steel melt in 12 seconds?
   Why has no other steel building EVER collapsed like the twin towers?
   Why did building 7 collapse although never hit by anything?
   Why do the collapsed buildings look like controlled demolitions?
   
   These questions and many, many more still need answering.
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   Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth
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      Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Sure.
      But first I want the truth about the current Administration's ability to tyrannize the USA.
      ..the accusation against Bush (whether valid or not) is being used as a smokescreen to detract from what is happening RIGHT NOW in this country.  It's being taken over by those in power, for an agenda that is NOT in favor of the American people.

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         Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         

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            rebekahELLEposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            oh, I learned that technique in sales class. avoid answering the uncomfortable question by asking another one!!!!

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               Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Maybe one would ask a question about a question asked because the methodology or ideology behind the question is foolish, so it forces one to create a distraction, per se.
               
               The fact that there are too many unanswered questions about 9/11 and never been quite answered as should have been, for which, creates this freaking mess.
               
               It has nothing to do with the present administration except for the fact that it still perpetuates the on-going manipulation of society as a whole and very selective few have truly understood the basis or foundation for the many issues presently plaguing society.
               
               As I see it - there can only be one answer to the existing problems in America as a Nation and that would be a lack of knowledge and understanding of life itself and their role.
               
               Thus, creating the problem that exist presently.

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         sannyasinmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         It is worth pursuing 9/11 because there is hard, verifiable, objective scientific evidence that this could never have been caused in the way we were led to believe. It was planned under Clinton, executed under Bush and is now concealed inder Obama. All are guilty.
         
         This is the card that, once removed, could bring down the whole house on top of it. 9/11 is just one of many false flag operations which have been used, are being used, and will occur in the very near future, unless the TRUTH and the PROOF is shown, and the lies and hypocrisy are exposed.
         
         When ordinary americans, mesmerised by what TV, newspapers and their good politicians tell them to think, are shown beyond any doubt that their own government deliberataly murdered thousands of their innocent fellow americans, then blamed it on terrorists, then used this as a pretext to invade Iraq, Afghanistan, etc etc . . then maybe, just maybe there will be an awakening.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            So.......
            
            You think all 3 Presidents are tyrannical murderers with the same agenda, right?

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               Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               They only have the same agenda because they all go to the same lodge

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  haha
                  
                  But hey, we don't really know, do we?
                  
                  The Masonic one?
                  
                  The Bilderberg meetings?
                  
                  While I question the validity of some allegations about the Bush Administration,  I too do wonder exactly WHO or WHAT group really holds the power in the USA.    Pelosi seems to think she's becoming Queen of America and can "deem" whatever she wants to as Law.  And the "Law" is becoming "Obama's Law".
                  
                  I "deem" them ALL tyrants these days until proven otherwise.

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                     Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     What's the difference - names are for the "little people"
                     
                     "One Lodge to rule them all, one Lodge to find them,
                     One Lodge to bring them all and in the darkness bind them."
                     
                     

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               sannyasinmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               . and you think 9/11 was masterminded by Bin Laden in his cave in the Afghan mountains?
               
               Perhaps he was in Al-Laddins cave and found a lamp witha magic genie who carried it all out for him.
               
               I repeat. There is hard, verifiable, scientific evidence to prove that these buildings did not collapse for the reasons we were told.
               Have you watched ANY of the videos on the web? There are many to choose from now . .

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes I've watched some of the videos.
                  
                  Did Henry Kissinger sell the souls of Clinton, Bush, and Obama to the devil?
                  
                  Or was it some Chinese bigwig? (China seems to "own" the USA as of lately)...

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                     sannyasinmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     I realise how difficult it can be to see the big picture. Cynicism and ridicule are common reactions when something challenges your deeply held convictions. This does not, however, invalidate the arguments or the facts behind them.
                     
                     The gist of this post is that there are a growing number of professional architects and engineers, people who should know, who say that these buildings did not and could not, collapse for the reasons we were told, and they want to know the truth.

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                  Valerie Fposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Bin Laden didn't run and hide into a cave until he was certain we were coming for him.
                  
                  And it doesn't take melting that much steel in 12 seconds to bring down buildings.

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                     sannyasinmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     The Bush family and the Bin Laden family have been friends and business partners for years. Bush is hardly likely to put one of his best friends' son in jail now is he -  especially when he had absolutely nothing to do with the event in question.
                     
                     As for the buildings, 1120 architects and engineers, plus those who designed and constructed the building, don't agree with you.

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               Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               NO! It's the so-called "democracy" and it's perpetuated hoax of such. The U.S. isn't a democracy and was not intended to be one.
               
               The simple fact that America is suppose to be a republic, which many people apparently forgot or don't understand.
               
               In a Republic Government- Government worries about only domestic threats and outside foreign threats, and are to prepare our defense based on it.
               
               Healthcare, social security, employment, and minimum wage programs are designed to CONTROL the people and should never be offered by the Government to anyone.
               
               The more people depend on Government for everything in their life, the easier it will be for others to destroy what America has built up.
               
               Government dependency is something that shouldn't happen, because it only leads to Communism and Socialism, which are completely destructive in and of themselves.
               
               Just my thoughts.

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                  Ivorwenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Precisely!  We are a Republic... At least we are suppose to be!

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                  _cheryl_posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Exactly Cagsil!! The government only gains when people learn to rely and depend on it more and more. All of these things that are "given' to "aide" the people are the very things that are contributing to the distraction of learning the truth. America's freedom is dwindling, and being attempted to be yanked out from under our very own eyes.

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      JON EWALLposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      HUBBERS
      
      I  watched the planes hit the buildings on TV that morning,
      If you were in the construction industry and have worked on high rise construction, you had a simple answer to the collapse.
      Many high rise buildings are built with steel frame construction, others in years past were built with reinforced concrete.
      totally different in scope and nature.
      Applying  heat to steel creates a weakness in the steel and the steel loses its temper ( strength If the planes would have hit on higher floors ,the structure below may have been able to carry the additional dead loads.
      The planes were fully loaded with high octane fuel,crashed into the buildings spreading fuel in a concentrated area ,probably falling to lower floors,thus weakening the steel columns with the weigh of floors above  creating a domino effect and extra loading as each floor collapsed onto the floors below.
      The architects and engineers are well aware of the problems and conclusions. Buildings are designed for load,wind situations  and building foundation support.
      A wake up call?

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         sannyasinmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I also was watching TV as the news broke. My first thought was, it looks just like a building demolition.
         
         I saw engineers interviewed immediately after. None could explain the collapse. They said it was impossible that the NY towers could collapse in that way, also they had been designed to withstand a direct hit from the biggest plane of the time. The next day, they all either had no comment, or had changed their minds. Why?
         
         Burning aviation fuel does not reach a high enough temperature to melt steel so quickly - NANO THERMITE does! This was found in the rubble of the building, but all of the steel was shipped out of the USA so that it could never be examined. Why?
         
         Apparently the fires burned for weeks after the building collapse, and no amount of effort from the NY firemen could put it out. Why?
         
         Not suspicious yet?
         
         http://news.bbc5.tv/story/nano-thermite-used-911
         
         Finally, yes, architects and engineers are well aware of the buildings construction, and that they could never have collapsed like they did, for the reasons given. This this is why over 1120 of them have signed petitions, created websites etc to demand the truth. They know that there is a cover-up.
         
         Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth
         http://www.ae911truth.org/

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            Daniel Carterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            The steel in the buildings did not have to melt to create a collapse. It only had to be weakened to a specific point. And I disagree about temperatures. Jet fuel is extremely explosive and reaches very high temperatures extremely quickly. Add to that, flammables which will will burn for hours, and you have a perfect storm. I don't see a conspiracy in that.

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               sannyasinmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               There are just too many facts, eye-witness reports, glaring contradictions and scientific impossibilities about the 9/11 event for me to list here.
               
               Anyone who doubts that 9/11 was an inside job really needs to watch the video "Loose Change".
               
               I do get the impression that a lot of people take the time to comment on the events surrounding 9/11 but don't take the time to watch the evidence for it being a false-flag operation.
               
               If after watching you still agree with the official version of events, then so be it.
               Here is the link again:
               
               http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE

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         Daniel Carterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I tend to agree with you, Jon Ewall.
         
         The conspiracy theories about buildings being rigged with explosives to implode seem totally bogus to me. Two building, over 100 stories tall rigged with millions of pounds of explosives. I'm thinking a big NO on this one. Not likely. That kind of inside job would take over a year or more to complete. And how on earth is such a plan going to be executed without being found out, especially after the previous World Trade Center debacle.
         
         While I do think there are plenty of other power and money conspiracies, I think the fall of the towers and surrounding buildings was due to a lot of luck on a very nasty gang of terrorists. Conditions were right. Security was weak. The list goes on.
         
         I don't think that acting like a bunch of Chicken Little's is going to serve anyone to empowering themselves about how to handle the realities of the world we live in.

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   MikeNVposted 14 years ago

   I don't know who the 3rd president is as Bush took office in January of 2001. I don't recall Clinton being dragged into the equation.
   
   But this really isn't a Bush Obama thing.  Clearly buildings that were not even hit collapsed.
   
   The architects of the Towers were interviewed and stated on the record the buildings were designed to take the direct impact of a Boing 707 (The jets used during the 70's when the buildings were designed).
   
   Bush and Cheney chose not to come clean.
   
   The American people were duped.  But it's not surprising with the level of Political Ignorance among the masses.
   
   George Bush in my opinion was a Terrible President and did enormous damage to the country.  Then along comes Obama trying to inflict even more damage.  Both are Terrible.  Both are puppets for the ruling elite. Both are dishonest.
   
   So take the Presidents out of the equation and look at the reality of what happened. And it wasn't just at the Towers... the whole scandal has been brushed aside.
   
   If you put your trust in the Federal Government you'll pay the price.

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      Valerie Fposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Buildings that weren't hit came down because the collapse of the twin towers was not a controlled demolition and therefore damaged surrounding buildings. It's really not that complicated.

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      Marisa Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Do you have a transcript of that?  I'm pretty sure they said it was designed to withstand impact from a plane, not a passenger jet.  And it was the amount of fuel carried by the planes that caused most of the trouble.
      
      I work in property and spoke to a number of architects after 9/11.  The collapse made total sense to them and they were able to point to buildings in Australia that would behave exactly the same way in the same situation. 
      
      All the strength of the buildings was in the skin, not in the core - so when the skin was compromised, down they came.
      
      That wouldn't happen to skyscrapers made of concrete, which is the usual material in Australia and elsewhere in the world where steel is too expensive.  There, the strength of the building is in the core, which would remain standing even if the facade fell away.

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         Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         http://markpknowles.com/zeitgeist-the-movie/

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   Will Apseposted 14 years ago

   I have a friend who is convinced the pyramids are alien spaceships. He also believes it is possible to live solely on air if you can master the perfect breathing technique. I notice that he eats like a horse, though.

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   mikelongposted 14 years ago

   The answers are out there...and none of this is "smokescreen" to cover Obama...as Brenda tries to put forward...
   
   The motivation for an invasion of Iraq pre-Sept. 11, 2001 is widely known....the liberal push for war by "conservatives" in the 1990's is brought into great focus in the Jan/Feb 1999 issue of Foreign Affairs....in the article "Can Saddam be Toppled? The Fantasy of Rollback" by Byman, Pollack and Rose...
   
   Then there is Operation Northwoods......the concept that the American government has actively worked to mislead and dupe the American people through false-flag operations based on the intentional creation of lies towards "rogue" nations...like Cuba and Iraq.  Of course, the United States played a large role in Saddam's rise to power, and in ensuring he stayed in place....
   
   Brenda, and to those who think like her.....you claim to want justice done towards what you view as criminal actions by a president....
   
   By not pushing for the punishment of men like George Bush and Dick Cheney.....by letting men like Reagan get away with abusing government to fuel illegal wars, drug/weapon smuggling, and all kinds of other shenanagans......you have ensured that future presidents have nothing to fear....
   
   If you want to set precedent...why not begin with the most obvious case of abuse and wrongdoing?  Why not start with Bush and Cheney...while they are still alive, and since they hold no office at this point...their incarceration will not put our nation in any bind....
   
   In my opinion, those who seek to minimize Bush and Cheney while focusing on Obama (who has yet to do anything on the scale of these two men) are simply biased partisans who, I believe, are less interested in justice than they are of other things, like race and misperceptions of economics....  If they really cared about justice they would have ensured that Bush never was reelected, and serious investigations would have been carried out into the pushing of false "intel"...knowingly false......onto the American people......
   
   China owning the U.S.?  I don't know, what does the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in Beijimg have to say about this?

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      Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Ohhhh yes it IS a smokescreen to cover Obama!
      
      How else would ANYONE get by with the crap his Administration is getting by with?   Not possible.

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         Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         With your limited vision/skew views, I can see how you would think like you do.

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   Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago

   Ordinarily I'd agree to start at the beginning.
   But in this case, we need to start at the "here and now", making our current Administration accountable for the crap they're pulling.   THEN the dominoes will all fall down.
   We might even wanna start with Rod Blagojevich.

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      Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I don't think that the dominos will ever fall down because they have been in place for too long. The earth has grown up around their base like concrete.

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   Jeramiposted 14 years ago

   Try to imagine that If a demolition team were asked to implode structures such as these. What are the chances of such perfection being orchistrated by knowledgable profesionals. 
      Any implosion team would consider the chances of a burning plane to accomplishing such a feat as imposible.
   
      I would tend to agree.

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   Arthur Fontesposted 14 years ago

   Something about 911 that I am not too sure about. 
   
   Cell phone calls were made from the planes even though experts claim that the technology that would allow calls from 10,000 feet or higher was not available in 2001.
   
   
   http://www.public-action.com/911/cellph … index.html

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      Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Agreed! The technology wasn't improved until after it was over. There was a .0001% chance that any cell phone would operate successfully at 5 miles above ground.

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   Jeramiposted 14 years ago

   Termites can drop a tree But for it to be done with this degree of speed and accurasy takes a chainsaw.
      An implosion team could not have succeded in a more perfect demolition.  Didn't lean even for a second???  Not once but twice in such a short time???

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      Faybe Bayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Switchgear rooms. How many switchgear rooms in the towers? Possibly one for each floor? Bus bars. Chain Reaction. An explosion like that causes metal to vaporize.
      
      One hot phase hitting the bus bar of the next phase would cause these explosions.

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         Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         This may be true and still not make since in my mind.
         It just doesn't seeb plausable that such a weekness would have been designed into such a structure as these.
           Anything is possible.  I just can't see it.

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            Faybe Bayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I have worked in switch gear rooms. You would not believe the safety measures that must be taken. I have tried to find video, but I will have to get it from school.
            
            A piece of switch gear is like a bomb, literally.  In the Airport, in west Palm Beach there are at least six of these rooms, the smallest containing twenty pieces of equipment. Thats twenty bombs in the smallest room. It is sub basement now. When we were putting them in it was ground floor and then the ground was built up around it. These cannot be hit by a plane or there would be no more airport

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               Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Are you describing the process in which a demo team brings the building down or something that is designed into the building?  I'm confused

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                  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Just Googled it and understand what you are sayina 
                  (a tinnie bit)  If it is what I think it is seems to have not been a good thing after all. amazing that they would have blown at precicely the same time on each floor.  But what do I know about it? (nothing!!)

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                     Faybe Bayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     They didn't. The explosion happens in one half of a cycle, which would be 1/120th of a second, faster than the human eye can fathom. The chain reaction and the way the structure is built would account for an incredible amount of destruction.
                     
                     this is small, just an arc in a single bus:
                     
                     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LZ0q78OWZE
                     
                     This guy is "racking in a breaker" .Notice the other guy leaves the area, this is a safety precaution so if something happens one might live to tell.
                     
                     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bBvmPRqfmo

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                        Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        So this would explain the explosions seen on video. as it collapsed but would these cause the collapse?
                        It is all more than I can comprehend. or need to.
                           
                            Sorry for delayed responce busy around here sometimes

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                           Faybe Bayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Okay, the thing is that the Architects supposedly say the building was built to withstand a plane, that is not true in this case. The architects or engineers built the towers after Japanese structures that "sway" which means the building was made to be Flexible. High winds, and Tidal waves go after high rises in Japan and they remain standing because they sway.
                           
                           These guys had to go to court for this. I remember it like yesterday.
                           
                           Okay, ever had one of those collapsible cups?
                           
                           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmpgpzieIrM
                           
                           The towers were built like that.
                           
                           http://www.ussartf.org/world_trade_center_disaster.htm

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      Valerie Fposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Watch the footage again. The south tower was unstable for a long time before it came down.

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   rebekahELLEposted 14 years ago

   the public will never know the real truth behind 911 as well as other significant events in our history. we find out bits and pieces as time passes, such as what really starts wars. 
   greed = money = power

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    habeeposted 14 years ago

    Okay - so are you saying a plane didn't fly into the building??

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    Greek Oneposted 14 years ago

    I thought we collectively agreed to blame the French??

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    IzzyMposted 14 years ago

    On the same subject matter, did any actually see the plane hitting the Pentagon?

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    awareposted 14 years ago

    im in the high rise biz . on 9 11 i stopped work and went to the nearest  store with TV s . which happened to be a target store.   i knew as soon as i saw the impacts . that the buildings were going to fail.   as the crowd grew at the electronics dept.  i said over and over get away from that building.  those towers are going to fall mark my words . i hate being right .  . engineers   think they know. architects  draw   things.  but we shell contractors and wall system  tradesmen we build the stuff.  its no mystery folks . no conspiracy . its concrete and steel  and it aint indestructible.

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    habeeposted 14 years ago

    Right, Aware. Buildings like that are close to 95% air and fairly easily implode.

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    Pearldiverposted 14 years ago

    The points raised by these 'Unbiased' Professionals I believe are extreemly valid.
    
    One must keep in mind that presidents and other political attachments survive only as a human life.  Great Architecture defies the lifespan of politicians... As we are all able to attest; if we are honest enough to consider such issues objectively.
    
    But of course the designers and builders of such structures have all had the ability to think outside of the box, as opposed to believing in the box or finding personal security within that box, as 100% of politicians would have us do!
    
    Open your eyes and see the world for what it is instead of what you are told that it is.
    
    "The sky is falling.... the sky is falling!"

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    mikelongposted 14 years ago

    A conspiracy would not require demolitions to be in the buildings....
    
    Simply the quieting down of information regarding something that was going to happen is enough....

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    habeeposted 14 years ago

    The steel was shipped out of the USA? I thought it was used to make a ship?
    
    The USS NEw York was constructed of steel from the WTC in Mississippi. Last time I checked, Mississippi was part of the US.
    
    http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=5340

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       livewithrichardposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       The bulk of the steel was shipped to China and India, but before that there was a pretty big outrage that it wasn't examined first and hauled off to a wreckage facility in New Jersey.
       
       http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html

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    habeeposted 14 years ago

    So Richard, is the Navy lying? Where did the steel for the ship actually come from?

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       livewithrichardposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       no Im sure they had plenty of steel to build the ships, there were something like 380,000 tons of it removed from ground zero. China purchased 50,000 tons and not sure how much India purchased but most of it was shipped right to a wreaking facility to be recycled.
       
       News stories in 2006 reported that 24 tons of steel from the World Trade Center was being used to manufacture a warship named the U.S.S. New York by Northrop Grumman in a shipyard on the banks of the Mississippi.

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    mikelongposted 14 years ago

    Again, a conspiracy does not hinge on what specifically brought the towers down.
    
    It was well known that Japan would attack Pearl Harbor.... World War II in the Pacific was recognized as an inevitability back in the late 1920's.....and the conflicts between Japan, the British and the United States were well accounted for....
    
    To top this off by having the U.S. embargo needed supplies to Japan while the U.S. remained neutral in the War (once it began) was simply the straw that broke the camel's back.....
    
    One simply has to have 1) a motive, and 2) the intelligence to know something is afoot....
    
    I don't know why people insist on meking the whole basis for collusion by gov't into 9-11 on explosives in the buildings.....
    
    Firefighters from within the buildings did believe (at least a few of them) that there were explosives planted...but I was not there, and I will never really know.......but, having served a short period of time in the intelligence field, I know that the likelihood that the U.S. didn't know (at some level) about what was going to happen is hard to believe....
    
    It just fits too perfectly with too many other things...

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    habeeposted 14 years ago

    Gotcha, Richard!
    
    I don't spend too much time on conspiracy theories, including "truthers" or "birthers."

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