Washington (CNN) - Civil rights icon and veteran Rep. John Lewis, D-Georgia, said anti-health care bill protesters Saturday repeatedly yelled the "N" word at him as he left a heath care meeting and walked to the Capitol.
"I haven't seen heard anything like this in more than 40 years, maybe 45." Lewis said. "Since the march from Selma to Montgomery really."
"Yeah, but it's okay," Lewis added. "I've faced this before. So, it reminded me of the 60's. There's a lot of downright hate and anger and people are just being downright mean."
The incident was confirmed by Rep. Andre Carson, D-Indiana, who was walking with Lewis at the time. Protesters were yelling, "'kill the bill, kill the bill' and the 'N' word several times," Carson said.
Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Missouri, released a statement late Saturday saying he too was called the "N" word as he walked to the Capitol for a vote and that he was spat on by one protestor who was arrested by U.S. Capitol Police. Cleaver declined to press charges against the man, the statement said.
Protesters also hurled anti-gay comments at Rep. Barney Frank, D-Massachusetts, who is openly gay, as he left the same health care meeting that Lewis attended in a House office building.
A CNN producer overheard the word "faggot" yelled at Frank several times in the lobby of the Longworth building. Frank said he heard someone yell "homo" at him.
"I'm disappointed," Frank said. "There's an unwillingness to be civil."
Frank, who said he rarely hears such slurs anymore, said the health care issue has become "the proxy for a lot of other sentiments. A lot of which are perfectly reasonable but some of which are kind of ugly."
Yes and it is indefensible. Racial and hate slurs have no place in any circumstance. Well, at least the are perpetrators (protestors) were caught showing their true colors, and so the rest of can see the way these people really think.
I agree with you. Besides, making derogatory remarks is totally off subject and a distraction. The issue is not about Franks being gay, its about healthcare reform. (Maybe the protestors are trying to trying to distract? I don't know.)
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Besides, I'm so good looking I don't want to be bothered by the ladies, LOL. And too, serpents seem to be able to convince the ladies that they should eat the forbidden fruit even though God told them not to. Now that is the power of persuasion.
I am however educated enough, (as are most people with at least an elementary school education), to know that both Gay people and Black people are normal in every sense of the word. Neither deserves your hatred.
That has little to do with knowledge about morality. It doesn't take a formally (or experientially) educated person to know that the former is a behavioral choice and the latter is just a normal fact of birth.
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I'm a person. Of a specific species called humankind. Ya know, there's also animal kind, insect kind, etc....but we won't go there. So despite all the scientifically-twisted definitions and search for origins and all the hoopla, it's really vewwwwy vewwwy simple.
If I openly 'admit' to being black, does that make it acceptable to call me a N!#@er?
Your pathetic arguement promotes hate in the name of religion without a hint of hipocracy.
Take your sad views to the religious forums and preach there.
Your old pal Jesus used to treat the poor but it seems you conservatives think he should have first asked if it might cost others anything and if the answer was yes, "you're on your own leper." Oh I forgot. If Jesus is talking to a leper it would have been in modern day Israel which has a public health system like the rest of the developed world.
I would assume it came from the word Negro, which I believe was simply a descriptive term. It was used in the shorter term of "N--" as an insult, so yes that was really bad!
But it's getting very confusing these days, because so many people say that black people don't want to be called Negros, and it's been changed to African-Americans even though many aren't even FROM Africa.....and now I guess it's just "black", which, to me, shouldn't even be an issue unless used as a term of description when needed.
I compare it to the term Christian.
That term was used in a derogatory manner toward those who followed Christ.
But it doesn't stop ME from still calling myself a Christian, because I know it's NOT really something derogatory.
Would you like it if someone called you a "cracker" or whatever? I mean, we all know crackers are wonderful little crunchy baked goods covered in salt, but if someone points their finger, yells that word at you, and spits on you...you would know they were not calling you a baked good, right?
If this happened in a HubPages forum, it would qualify as a personal attack. Oh wait - it's a personal attack in real life too. A person who is open about homosexuality does not have to accept being slandered and insulted.
When someone's openly proud of engaging in shameful behavior, it does indeed put them at risk for being ridiculed. Not that the ridicule is necessarily a good thing....but it's better than condoning the crap.
For me you are perverted for coming on here and spreading your hate in the name of religion.
I am impressed you manage to see your hate-filled self as somehow better than a peaceful homosexual who lets everyone go about their business.
Homosexuals don't come knocking on your door telling you how great it is to be homosexual and ask if you want to join up. Just as they don't threaten you with a life in hell if you don't see things their way.
Your arguement about choice is a joke. You choose to spread hate. Shame on you.
Actually, I made that up to illustrate a point. Nobody knows if the person that shouted out those remarks was associated with any particular group, but they will readily report it was a "tea bagger" without any evidence to back their claim!
Why? Because they want to disparage the opposition and discredit them. They want to change the debate from the actual issues to something else and what better subject to advance their cause than racism?
This is standard operating procedure for the left. Pull the race card, end the debate, change the subject and hide from the truth. You know what's disgusting? That tactic, and I'm frankly sick of it!!!
Hey Hubbers Does anyone know what a nigger is or why someone would be called that name?
There is an old saying , sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me.
Today we live in a different world when right is wrong and wrong is right, when good is bad and bad is good.
A Congressman ( black ) said that in this Congress (Democrat controlled ), there are no rules,we make up whatever rules that we need to pass legislation.
Democrats are good and Republicans are bad, a simple conclusion for all liberals and progressives.Democrats are right and Republicans are wrong.
We all will find out the truth when the Judicial Branch ( the Supreme Court ) of our government will decide who is right and who is wrong. Will the American people, both liberals,progressives and conservatives accept the law of the land,the constitution.
Jon, You just couldn't bring yourself to disavow the frothing-at-the-mouth yahoos who insulted the black congressmen, spat on one of them, and called Barney Frank a fag. You are trying to defend the indefensible.
I absolutely agree bad behavior is not acceptable from anyone Christian or not. The only point I was trying to make is that the Obama gang has really stirred up a mess by thinking they do not have to answer to the peoples wishes.
Obama was elected by a large majority and HCR was a signature item of the democratic platform. A lot of people don't know what to think about this bill because there has been a well-financed campaign of lies and fear-mongering starting with death panels that never existed in the bill and coverage for illegal aliens that never existed in the bill and coverage for abortions that never existed in the bill lies about igher premium rates when the majority will see a rate reduction or slowed increases, false claims of higher deficits when HCR will reduce the deficits 1.3 TRILLION.
The people don't know what's in the bill - because of a deliberate campaign of deception. Congress knows that the people want reform and this qualifies. The actions of the teabaggers in DC is disgusting, but the real vilains are the fat cats who dreamed up the deception that feeds the paranoia. May they rot in hell.
I will give you credit for you unwavering dedication to you beliefs. I personally hope that I am proved wrong if this thing actually passes but I do not really see where any good can come of this health care bill because the health care part of it is so lost and so mutilated by all the other crap that has been attached to it that even calling it health care reform is kind of ridicules.
For me personally, the immediate benefit is that my teenage autistic boys will be covered by my insurance until they are 26 years old. That is definitely an improvement, and is a great relief for me and for them.
That is just it- this is a moral issue and not a financial issue that the opposition has "cooked" it up to be. Studies in other countries have shown that universal healthcare has helped financially and in overall citizen health. I hope that this this is passed, so that you and your boys can do what you and they are able to- without the burden of worry.
" A lot of people don't know what to think about this bill "
Typical liberal attitude. Anyone who disagrees just 'doesn't understand.' No wonder these corrupt SOBs are so eager to give the American people the finger and ram this mess down our throats. They will 'make' us understand one way or another whether we like it or not!
It reminds me of the representative who commented on the suicide attack on the IRS office in Austin recently. He mildly condemned the act, then insinuated it was somewhat justified because of attitudes toward the IRS.
These cowardly acts are crimes - end of story. There is no justification, the victims are not at fault.
This is what you can expect from the GOP from now to November. They will denoucne violence (wink, wink) and cater to these groupa and incite them to act intended to intimidate. I EXPECT and PREDICT that voter intimidation by gun-weilding teabaggers will characterize the November election.
That's because they will be protecting the REPUBLIC (which is not a democracy according to the new conservative narrrative).
I think the Teabaggers want to incite violence - the GOP will play to that crowd in an inflamitory way, because that group responds with violence to any hint of moderation. The GOP has pretty much driven moderates from their ranks - but for the mid-tems, the GOP and teabaggers will feed on each other in rage. Where the outcome hangs in the balance, I think there will be deliberate, orchestrated campigns of intimidation to reduce democratic turnout.
You got pictures of democrats with guns on their hips outside a rally where Bush is speaking? Unions intimidating republicans??? Yeah - and a lot of black men in hoods lynched white people in the South, too. Save that stuff for the south 40 where it might do some good.
Some in the south have changed. The "fundies" are still in strong force, though. I hear this anti-Obama crap all of the time. Many will only watch Fox News for their misinformation with the obvious results.
That's the way I took it...I used to hear it all the time when I was trucking, because of my accent and the fact I'm from New Orleans. People assumed I was racist. I grew up in a poor neighborhood played with african american kids. We are not all racists.
I don't ...I delivered a load to Kennedy Airport in New York. A New Yorker, inquiring about my accent, asked me, "You sound like you're from New Jersey." I answered, "Yea...south New Jersey smart 2$#^!"
The Shoe-thrower knew that if some security nut didn't shoot him, he might spend years behind bars. As an Iraqi patriot, he wanted to make a statement that was worth the risk. This is called civil disobedience, See Therau on the subject.
The spitter knew that at most, he was risking a few hours detention and a rebuke from a magistrate for his assault.
Yeah, I will buy the show-thrower a cup of tea or a new pair of shoes.
I'm not a member of the Tea Party, although I do agree with some of their points. HOWEVER, these actions were abhorent!! I think they stained the whole Tea Party image to those who might have previously been interested in the cause. It's sad that a few bad apples always have to mess everything up!
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I did not quote some obscure web site with an unnamed witness.
The article was from CNN. Video can prove what DID happen but it can't prove what did NOT happen. It could have edited out the spitting or simple been taken before or after the incident.
I'm amazed that you think anyone silly enough to think that video proves anything. Your fellow teabaggers are brown shirt nazis working on intimidating the governemnt of this country. Judging from the vote the next day it didn't work.
Interesting! ALL you cn do is call names when I point out that the incident reported by CNN and confirmed by THREE members of Congress who were THERE has mora authority than the assurance of MadamX that it didn't happen - when she wasn't there! Oh, and yess, I pointed out that the video might as well be Lady Gaga for all the value it has.
And the quality of response from you three is name calling and snickers because you are so totally wrong - defending the indefensable - and you don't want people to notice what kind of vermin you are associating yourselves with.
You are known by the company you keep. Considering the source, your insults are a badge of honor.
If they're right wing they're not terrorists. The very far right is anarchy, no government - the very far left is totalitarianism.
Only those who want to control others need to resort to those tactics. If someone, or a group, is doing this kind of thing and they are calling themselves "republicans" or "conservatives" it is a misnomer. Those who are genuinely on the right find these acts abhorrent.
I know I'm going to get all sorts of flak for this post but I don't mean it as simply as it comes across
I simply do not believe the N word was used. You cannot convince me that of all the tape and film of that day, some evidence would not have been caught on those records.
And yes. I do believe the dems would group up and play the race card. I do believe they, the dems and progressives, would say it happened regardless of if it did. Simply to assassinate the charactor of those protesting the Health Care bill.
That is their M.O. They have been doing it since McCarthy and will continue to do it. If it works. Why change it.
I am not defending CNN trust me. That makes them a-holes, but I am not sure how you get to "liberal" from this little piece of history... I think you are mixing up the words "liberal" and "bad" (like, I think this milk has gone liberal... see, doesn't work for EVERY CASE)
Some of the Tea Partiers, in their naivete, referred to themselves as Tea Baggers. I don't pretend to know who was the first to use the term. I recall Ron Reagan joking about it on one of the CNBC talk shows. He would know, I assume.
It should be noted that the term “teabagger” appears on Oxford’s list because of the usage cited on that list, not because of any other meaning. Citations for the political sense were found in a number of legitimate sources throughout the year. As a reference to members of the currently active Tea Party, the word has been used in speech and print by both liberals and conservatives. In this context, the term “teabagger” is a reasonably conceived informal name for an affiliate of the Tea Party, and as a word in the news, it earned a mention for the year 2009. Having deliberated carefully over the word-usage evidence, Oxford’s lexicographers are confident in their judgment that “teabagger” the political term stands distinctly apart from “teabagger” the vulgar term.
OK. Let me get this straight. You want to convince an impartial observer that thre US Congressmen conspired to discredit the Tea Party 'patriots'. The Capitol Police were in on the plot, because they heard and/or made an arrest. And we can believe this because thegroup has a history of such good manners.
Someone posted the link to the story today. The Tea Party 'patriots' posted the incorrect address for a member of the US House of Representatives who voted fot HCR, inviting people to 'stop by'. Someone did and cut the tank to his propane which fortunately did not result in a fire. (The address was to the brother of the US Congressman.)
The defense that if someone gets killed as a result of posting addresses with the veiled suggestion of violence, it's not their fault is bull. The Tea Party Movement at its core is a bunch of thugs who will incite violence when they strike out at the polls.
One the cut gas line was a grill on the back porch, not the houses main. And no I do not condone it.
2 there were no arrests in Wa. for any of the incidents they claimed happened. NO ARRESTS. And the police did not hear anyone say anything or spit on anyone. no witnesses except the accusser and another dem congressman
3 I do believe the dems would stoop so low as to create this story to annahilate the charactor of the tea partiers.
And I have yet to see the tea partiers go anywhere near as extreme as the leftists and SEIU and the abortion folks.
Now if you can believe those things happened in WA. over the weekend, yet the teapartiers were clever and lucky enough to get it done without getting it caught on film or tape, then feel free.
I cannot believe all those things happened and none of them were caught on tape or film. It is an impossibility. And I am speaking here of the event alleged to have happened at the rally in Wa.
As far as a brick thru the window. Who threw it? no one knows. Could have easily been a lefty.
"The abortion folks." I seem to recall that one of the anti-abortion folks murdered an abortion doctor in his church. And a whackjob who was having a hard time with IRS flew his plane into an IRS office building. Not to mention Tim McVeigh, former militia man who blew up the federal government office building in Oklahoma City.
The part that gets me is these guys are protesting because they believe no one should impose on their rights, in this case their rights not to have insurance I guess. So if their rights are so important, why arent everyone elses?
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I understand how yucan demostrate against thegovernment, but how does that excuse the name calling and spitting onother people? Also if you cherish Democracy, doesn't that imply majorith rule? Isn't that why we have elections? And if so, then if a politian wins an election based in part on fulfilling a promise, how do you spit on them for fulfilling that promiose to those who elected him democratically? I don't see how youget it both ways.
There's no point. The woman is tortured by the fact that the Christian doctrine she purports to follow to the letter spells out an eternity in hell for her transgression of divorce and remarriage.
She's desperately trying to point out the sins of gay people (since she doesn't know any) in order to "distract" Jesus so he'll look kinder on the fact she's living, by Christian doctrine, in a state of unrepentant sin.
She knows she's condemned but is basically pleading with the judge at this point.
Nobody should be spat on regardless of who they are, being a Christian remember you have to always love the man, but you can hate the sin. A person should never be taunted, belittled or destroyed. Although I realize you believe it is immoral remember forgiveness is the key to life.
I never "taunt" anyone for things they can help. Mr. Frank can talk well if he wants to. He has, after all, been touted as being so very "eloquent" by the libs.
AND he CAN help where he sticks his appendages!
So he's inexcusable.
As far as forgiveness?..........a person has to admit they're doing something wrong before they can accept the forgiveness that's always there available to them. Jesus Himself wasn't tolerant of the immoral crap like Barney's pulling. He called people things like fools and referred to sin in some very descriptive terms. I personally wouldn't spit on anyone, no. Unless I was driven to it by personal attacks on me, and I usually have a lotta patience, so it's hard to "drive" me to doing anything.
...When people like Frank go messing with MY country, especially the social atmosphere that influences MY grandchildren and the other children in this nation, then I WILL speak out about it just as strongly as the opposition flashes it in this nations face and tries to shove it down our throats. And no, I don't care if it IS his country too! Just because someone lays claim to citizenship doesn't mean they can defy the laws of God and man and twist the Constitution around to suit their hogwash.
Benda - I think almost eveeryone will defend your right not to engage in a lesbian affair. No one (as far as I know) has suggested you are reqired even to try it.. (Not a pretty mental picture)
If you were a guy, I would not suggest you engage in a gay (homosexual, not jolly) affair UNLESS you were inclined to do so. You are not getting any resistance for your beliefs for your own life.
The problem - and this is hard for you, I know - is that other people resent your attemts to impose your morality on THEM. Some of us are accustomed to FREEDOM, and nowhere is it more important than in our relationships. So do pursue yours, as you see fit.
Can you imagine being reared amongst hordes of these type of moralizers? And the women are the worst. The malicious gossip they spread through small communities is much worse than the sins they imagine taking place in their little hamlets.
Many were once the wildest girls in town, but now to hear them tell it, they were pure as the driven snow. Like the line in the old western movie goes, "the only thing worse than a lady turned whore, is a whore turned lady
Most of the Christians I know see sin everywhere but in themselves. Sound familiar?
U.S. Rep. Stupak, other Dems get threats over health care reform vote
By EMILY WAGSTER PETTUS ASSOCIATED PRESS
Editor's note: The audio of voice mail recordings left for U.S. Rep. Bart Stupak contains profanity that some may find offensive. The audio is under "related materials."
U.S. Rep. Bart Stupak of Michigan is among the Democratic lawmakers who have been threatened after voting for a federal health care bill.
Stupak, a former state trooper from Menominee, has received phone messages with profanity, his office confirmed today.
“I hope you bleed ... (get) cancer and die,” one male caller told the Catholic congressman between curses.
In another message, a female caller said, "There are millions of people across the country who wish you ill.”
Stupak received a faxed letter with a drawing of a noose. The note says, "All Baby Killers come to unseemly ends Either by the hand of man or by the Hand of God."
Another note to Stupak includes a racial slur about President Barack Obama. FBI investigates threats
Bricks have been hurled through Democrats’ windows, a propane line was cut at the home of a congressman’s brother and lawmakers who voted for the bill have received obscenity-laced phone threats in the days before and after passage of the sweeping legislation.
The FBI is investigating the vandalism and threats, which include the shattering of windows at four Democratic offices in New York, Arizona and Kansas. At least 10 members of Congress have reported some sort of threat, though no arrests have been made.
The brick tossed through the window of a county Democratic Party office in Rochester, N.Y., over the weekend had a note attached that said: “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice,” roughly quoting 1964 Republican presidential nominee Barry Goldwater.
A New York congresswoman whose window was smashed with a brick accused the Republican leadership of failing to denounce attacks against lawmakers who supported the legislation. The vandalism was at Democratic Rep. Louise Slaughter’s district office in Niagara Falls early Friday, two days before the House passed the health care overhaul bill.
Comment: Can we all agree I hope that things are getting out of hand?
Well, the vast majority of threats and violent acts have been happening against Democrats, which is unsurprising.
Why would someone threaten a Republican after the bill had passed? Something makes me think this will end up being exposed as an inside job (like the "backwards B" victim in Pennsylvania before the 2008 election).
- Oklahoma City (right-wing)***Yes - Atlanta Olympics (right-wing)***Yes - Anthrax in the mail (right-wing)***No - Holocaust Museum shooting (right-wing)***No - IRS building plane crash (right-wing)***No
Anthrax case was done by by Islamic terrorists, while considered right wing they represent a different right wing.
The actor in this case had a bone to pick with government in general and the Bush Administration, hardly a right winger.
Joe Stack flew his plane into the IRS building purely for personal reasons, however, his manifesto read like the ramblings of a diseased mind his anger was directed at Bush!
Not all the crazy Tea Baggers are "right wing" depending on how you define it. However, the Tea Party movement is providing a focal point and outlet for a variety of ordinary dissatisfied citizens sprinkled with more than its share of whackjobs and members of anti-Semitic, anti-gay, anti-government, anti-tax, anti-world government conspiracy groups, etc.
You are demonizing the Tea Party people for political reasons, a tactic used by the left constantly. Most people are aware that they are no more violent than the girl scouts, but that knowledge just doesn't play well for the lefties.
In 1981 Von Brunn attempted to place the treasonous Federal Reserve Board of Governors under legal, non-violent, citizens arrest. He was tried in a Washington, D.C. Superior Court; convicted by a Negro jury, Jew/Negro attorneys, and sentenced to prison for eleven years by a Jew judge. A Jew/Negro/White Court of Appeals denied his appeal.
Brunn is a White Supremicist, Anti-Semitic, Birther
Among the myriad of disturbing qualities of James Von Brunn, the 88-year-old man who shot and killed a security officer inside the Holocaust Museum on Wednesday, is his apparent belief that Barack Obama is not a citizen of the United States and therefore has no right to the presidency.
The reason it sticks out is that, even among Von Brunn's other characteristics -- including heavy streaks of anti-Semitism, disdain for the federal government, and threads of white supremacy -- being a "birther" has a modicum of political credibility.
Certainly, the vast majority of people who are skeptical of Obama's birth in the state of Hawaii tend to be harmless conspiracy theorists. And there has been no suggestion that Von Brunn's distrust of the president's citizenship solely drove him to this violent act.
"In addition to being a birther," said Abraham Foxman, National Director of the Anti-Defamation League, "he also believed that Hitler didn't kill enough Jews. He had a history of anti-Semitic, hateful views."
Indeed a "birther" mindset is more a symptom of extremism than a cause.
I'm not interested in quibbling about the difference between murder and terrorism. It could be argued that it was terrorism by murder. It's purpose was clearly designed to terrorize abortion doctors. There are exceptions but most liberals aren't involved in the anti-abortion movement.
No, I don't think it was a coincidence. I think he meant to kill Tiller, and? I think most murderers mean to kill their victims, what exactly is the point you are trying to make? You still have no idea what his intent was other than to kill Tiller.
• In April 1996, a 38-year-old Scott Roeder — thought to be the same man — was arrested in Topeka, Kans., after Shawnee County police stopped him for not having a proper license plate. Officers said they found bomb-making supplies in the car: ammunition, a blasting cap, a fuse cord, a 1-lb. can of gunpowder and two 9-volt batteries.
• At that time, police said Roeder was part of the antigovernment Freemen group, which engaged in a three-month standoff with the FBI from a remote Montana farmhouse in 1996.
• Roeder was sentenced to 24 months of probation. The conviction was overturned on appeal the next year when a higher court said the police search of his car had been illegal. Authorities have yet to confirm that the present suspect was the man in question.
• Posting on the website for Operation Rescue, which included a "Tiller Watch" feature, a man identifying himself as Scott Roeder asked in 2007 whether anyone had considered going to Tiller's church to ask the doctor about his work. (Operation Rescue's president has denounced the crime, calling it a "cowardly act." The group's founder, Randall Terry, issued a statement calling Tiller a "mass murderer" whose "hands were covered with blood.") Read "Right-Wing Reactions to Tiller Murder."
• Roeder reportedly subscribed to Prayer and Action News, a magazine that advocated "justifiable homicide" as a way of protesting abortion. Read "Understanding
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