The prime issue here is the taxation of illegal immigrants, and that they actually ARE taxed... and how some of them are actually paying more in taxes than if they were legal citizens.
I know it's a highly controversial subject, but these are just numbers. So whatever your political ideology, the bottom line is what it is. And please, if you're going to comment or send me e-mails keep it about the subject matter at hand, and do NOT call me a racist because I chose to use the name Juan for the immigrant and John for the U.S. citizen... I've gotten some pretty incredible responses for that!
But I always appreciate feedback, and that is the scholarly way of reaching better conclusions.
Thanks for your time!
-Jarrod Haze, M.P.P. Economic Policy
Irving B. Harris School of Public Policy
University of Chicago
It is a tuff subject. When it comes to migrants, I love it, I like diversity, I like the different languages etc. Sometimes it does become annying but its still good.
The problems of course on undocumented immagrants...
In California, the population of mexican immigrants is 60%, they use up all our low income resources and take it back to Mexico.
They don't have to show proof of citizenship or green cards or visas or anything to live here. They pay taxes on stuff like food, gas, cigarettes and stuff, but they aren't paying state or federal taxes.
Most of them here work under the table, they hitch rides across the border to work and get paid cash and head home to Mexico.
Now, I don't dislike the work they do and I buy from a Mexican run truck the sells produce for cheap, so they bring lot of things.
The other things...
Every other day it seems, that a van full of illegals crashes and the citizens have to fit the hospital bill for these people that shouldn't have come that way in the first place, and then America gets a bad wrap. ????
Mostly I try to stay neutral but there are just some things that they should have to do to live here, taxes of course, but also valid drivers liscenes, speaking english and as you may not believe this is true,
they should not be able to live in a small apartment with 10 people and get away with it. Of course not because I think it is wrong, but because a citizen can not get away with it.
In an apartment setting like were I live, I end up paying for thier water usage.
Of course when I addressed the complex manager about it, they were well aware, but since they were illegal, there is nothing they can really do.
Of course they have a heart and wouldn't kick them to the street and I wouldn't expect them too, but at some point it states to put hardships on my own family, but I don't qualify for low income even though I need it just the same.
So as cruel as I sound, I do believe that it would be best now for illegal immigrants to get their papers and licenses to work here, that used to be the law, and it was fine for a while, but now it is becomeing a problem.
They're becoming road dangers, they are bringing their violence to my neighborhood, drugs etc.
Plus, I had a mexican yell at me for not speaking spanish in America. ??? Instead Americans are expected to learn spanish.
Very true. Undocumented immigrants are subsizing Social Security to the tune of, if I recall correctly, $5 billion a year. Also, most of them are working hard at jobs that need to be done.
Too bad that the OP here is just spamming other people's hubs to try and get his words across.
But it says in the "Internet Marketers HandEbook," that you have to open forum threads and leave comments on other people's posts.....
"Also, most of them are working hard at jobs that need to be done." A lot of Americans with little education or whatever other reasons could use those hard labor jobs. It's just that they do not get them because they know about things like minimum wage and other little perks that the immigrants could care less about. So the owners are like "hmmmmmmm pay minimum wage or 10 dollars a day?" And then those same businesses have flags and American pride signs hanging up. Makes you think.
I don't mind the illegal immigration, it helps offset the fact that our legal immigration system is ridiculously impossible get through. As for some of the jobs that immigrants take, there aren't to many Americans willing to do them. Growing up in an area with a lot of field work, I've rarely seen any white people wanting to go out and pick grapes or oranges for money. Personally I wouldn't want them out there anyway, white people complain too much, take too many breaks, and feel entitled to much more money than they're worth.
The only time immigration really becomes an issue is when the government is so screwed up that it needs a large distraction to divide the people against each other. They cook up the numbers on the supposed costs of illegal immigration to this country without letting you know that those costs pale in comparison to other forms of government waste. As cynical as it may seem, it's just politicians playing at the remnants of past racists strings in white voters, playing off white people against brown people has proved time and time again to be a useful distraction.
University of Chicago:
'Chicago School theories lay behind many of the policies of the World Bank and other Washington-based financial institutions, such as the International Monetary Fund and U.S. Treasury Department , which embraced free market solutions as the recipe for the reform of economically wrecked countries, as was expressed in the Washington consensus.' from Wikipedia..
I say the sacking of nations.
"Growing up in an area with a lot of field work, I've rarely seen any white people wanting to go out and pick grapes or oranges for money. Personally I wouldn't want them out there anyway, white people complain too much, take too many breaks, and feel entitled to much more money than they're worth." <<I'm originally from Florida, with it's multi-million dollar citrus industry. Now if you're running a multi-million dollar industry thats driven by the pure labor of picking the oranges, I would say those people out there picking the fruit are worth more than $10 a day.
This is laughable, downright laughable. White Americans as well as any other color of americans are some of the hardest workers on this planet, they just have been conditioned and raised to do a different sort of work. Hispanic people are some of the hardest working manual labors in this hemisphere. You clearly do not know what you are talking about, if you are raised to do manual labor then you can do it, if you are not, then you cannot. It is not because white/black/asian/native american americans are not worth their money, it is because overall they are conditioned to do different things than the Hispanics that come over.
Also indicative of the fact what what you have posted is an outright lie would be all the hard working farmers in, say, Wisconsin, most of whom are white and could probably outshuck the likes of you any day. Or the Blacks who have a history of some hard manual labor running in their familiy and have bodies that are athletically inclined, some of whom still work farm jobs in places like the Carolinas.
You are just dead wrong period.
Or what about Cajuns? Southern Louisiana folk that grow up on a farm and bale hay and tend to their cattle? If you do not think that is hard work you are silly indeed, as I have done it and can tell you it takes the life out of you.
I could sit here and compare the average american to your average chinese gardener and try to make the average american look lazy or not worth his money, but it is equally pointless. Different people in different cultures are conditioned for different things, and there is no need to go pointing fingers at each other. We as a human race are all in this together and I for one am proud of the fact that the Hispanics can work as hard as they do. I too think they deserve to be paid more for their labor, I have seem them work and they are damn good at it.
If you want a real perspective on Illegal Immigration, go watch a movie starring Leonardo De Caprio and Daniel Day-Lewis titled "Gangs of New York". That will show you the real basic issues at the heart of the "immigration issue" that never change, regardless of time and place.
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