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Tea Party types more generous than liberals?

  1. habee profile image91
    habeeposted 6 years ago

    I'm not a TP member - I find many of their views a little scary. I did, however, find this article interesting:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 … 11064.html

    I have Democratic pals who are all for giving tax money to the needy, but they NEVER contribute their OWN money to charities. Do you think that's because they expect the government to take care of it? What if the people I described don't even pay income taxes? Do you think they're being hypocritical, or are they just following the income redistribution strategy? If these people don't have the money to donate to charities, should they at least donate their time?

    1. profile image60
      C.J. Wrightposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Who knows. I have only known one hard core liberal that was a big giver. She gave of her time and money. She was very wealthy. She was constantly helping needy children in her own community. She routinely re-decorated her home and gave the old stuff to the needy.
      What she told me is this. Conservatives give more money. Liberals give more time. Conservatives give to the world, Liberals give to the community. It was her take on the issue. She was extremely distrustfull of large charitable organizations.
      I do think that on the whole, center right people give more money than center left. I do think that for the most part liberals do believe that it's up the government to ensure the welfare of the citizen. They see income redistribution as a vehichle to achieve that. Of course the conservative sees this as robbery and encouraging irresponsibility. I believe it's a little of both. There will always be those who need help. The key is help, not a hand out. Liberals would do themselves a favor by encouraging responsibility and honoring achievement. Conservatives would do themselves a favor by becoming more involved in the community and therefore more understanding of those in need within the community.

      1. habee profile image91
        habeeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Good analysis, CJ! We seem to have similar ideas - I'm a right-of-center moderate on most issues. I also know some liberals who are very generous, along with some stingy conservatives.

        I don't trust a lot of large charitable organizations, either. I mostly contribute to local charities. I like to know where my money is going and who is helped.

      2. PrettyPanther profile image85
        PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        I think this is a pretty accurate assessment.  In my experience, many liberals distrust the ability of private charitable organizations, especially religion-based ones, to fairly distribute money.  We also are aware that a good percentage of private charitable organizations are fronts for their founders to rake in money.

      3. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Well said, CJ!  I think there's an awful lot of truth in that post.

      4. Ralph Deeds profile image74
        Ralph Deedsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        How about Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, George Soros, Bono and plenty of others?

        1. Doug Hughes profile image61
          Doug Hughesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          If only the majority of the ultra-wealthy - and I'm talking over 250 of folks in the Fortune 500 list - were like Bill and Melissa Gates. They have not only committed most of their huge fortune, but their considerable management skills to finding the projects worth doing , and recruiting the right people to make those projects work.

          Though the Gates' have company, most people who commit themselves to making huge fortunes are unwilling to part with any significant portion. These misers are not tea party folks - they are the top 1 percent and they OWN 38%  of net worth in this country.

    2. Ralph Deeds profile image74
      Ralph Deedsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Why is it so hard for you to recognize that the "redistribution" has been going mostly one way--from the middle class and the poor to the very richest Americans?

      1. habee profile image91
        habeeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Ralph, you completely missed my point.

      2. lovemychris profile image79
        lovemychrisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        And it's the conservatives who support the policies that do this.

  2. I am DB Cooper profile image73
    I am DB Cooperposted 6 years ago

    The Wall Street Journal article doesn't seem to address the fact that conservatives tend to be older than liberals, and that affects their ability to give. A young adult just starting out in his career of choice likely has student debt higher than a full year's salary. That's probably going to prevent that person from making a considerable donation to charity. Although they might not give monetarily, I see plenty of liberals (almost all of whom could be described as modern "hippies") working at the local food bank.

    1. habee profile image91
      habeeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Good point, DB. I hadn't thought about age. BUT...I think I read somewhere that as a group, liberals make slightly more money than do conservatives. I need to find that.

    2. habee profile image91
      habeeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Conservatives donate a larger % of their income, according to this:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opini … r=1&hp

      Of course, if they earn more, they have more disposable $.

      1. uncorrectedvision profile image59
        uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        The Salvation Army Kettles are a more insidious plot to separate you from your money than the IRS.  They waste a much larger percentage of the money given to them freely than the federal Government does of the money it compels from you.  Who honestly thinks that the insulated, distant, bureaucratic federal government is more compassionate, more connected, more efficient and more "charitable" than a private organization but the delusional.

        Time and again, story, report and study demonstrate that the typical, Mid-westerner with those out dated middle American values that have come to be called conservative and religious and intolerant give more of everything than those who willingly call themselves liberal or even moderate.

        I am puzzled how we have come to despise the values embodied in our national foundation.  Perhaps what frightens people about conservatism, religion, the tea party, Constitutionalism is that all of these espouse a standard.

        I am puzzled by those who quake in fear that there maybe a real standard for living a good life.

        1. Pcunix profile image88
          Pcunixposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          We reject those things because they don't work, are intolerant, impede progress and have brought misery to millions.  Those seem like good reasons to me.

          1. uncorrectedvision profile image59
            uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            A wonderful demonstration of no shared universe of discourse Thank you for your continued contribution to my contention that conservatives and liberals live in worlds.

            1. Pcunix profile image88
              Pcunixposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              We do live in different worlds and we truly detest the others views.

              Fortunately those of us at the extremes don't matter. The vast, muddling middle is who actually determines our course,

              1. uncorrectedvision profile image59
                uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                You misinterpret my attitude toward liberalism.  I don't despise the views of liberals.  The liberal perception of the world makes me sad.  For exactly the same reason that schizophrenia, alcoholism, poverty, cancer and communism all make me sad.  What ever makes the full realization of our nature more difficult saddens me.

                1. Pcunix profile image88
                  Pcunixposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  The conservative view makes me far more than sad - it frightens me. 

                  However, on the "rights" issues,  I do recognize that your views might be 'right" if we define that as bringing general happiness to the most people. If we consider individual rights (as I do), then one persons misery is far more important than a little discomfort and accommodation by the majority.

                  1. uncorrectedvision profile image59
                    uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                    Individual rights?  Isn't liberalism predicated on the "we" not the "I?"  Isn't it collectivism, the direction of an elite, the power of centralized government that all mark liberal notions of how a society is to be run.  Aren't personal property, individualism, the citizen as sovereign all antithetical to liberal notions of society?  Isn't the pinnacle of liberal politics and economics the subsuming of all personal, individual property, effort, endeavor to the "common good?"

                    Aren't you the one who said that personal property only exists because "WE"(my emphasis) say it does?  Liberalism is poisonous to personal, individual liberty and there is yet another reason that it saddens me.

    3. Pcunix profile image88
      Pcunixposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      People tend to get more liberal as they age, not more conservative. Churchill didn't know that, of course.

  3. Pcunix profile image88
    Pcunixposted 6 years ago

    Conservatives tend to be more religious; their charity includes donations to churches,. Take that out and they are miserly.

    1. habee profile image91
      habeeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Not true, PQ:

      "According to Google’s figures, if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do. But Mr. Brooks says that if measuring by the percentage of income given, conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes."

      Conservatives still donate a larger % of their income, even to secular causes.

      Wonder how moderates rate??

      1. Pcunix profile image88
        Pcunixposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Well, my side still gives more. That's because we are smarter and make more money smile

        (please do note the smiley)

        1. habee profile image91
          habeeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Lol, PQ! Wish i cud be smarrt lik yu librals!

          Merry Christmas, PQ. Good to see you back and in good form!

          1. Pcunix profile image88
            Pcunixposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Well, you can wish, of course smile

            Intelligence is vastly overrated, anyway. When it comes to most real life issues, I trust my emotional response much more than what the rational side says it thinks.

  4. habee profile image91
    habeeposted 6 years ago

    Liberal families earn 6% more, on average, than conservative families.

  5. SomewayOuttaHere profile image61
    SomewayOuttaHereposted 6 years ago

    ...working within the charitable sector...social services...the people who donate come from a variety of socio-economic backgrounds....all i see is that people in general are very generous whether it is time, money or products such as food and clothing....i don't look or try to figure out what their beliefs are....for me, it doesn't really matter....as for age...i'm always amazed at how thoughtful children are...comes from their parents/teachers influence....

    ...on Monday a group (about 20) of mentally challenged adults (downs syndrome, etc) dropped by to donate food and gifts...it was amazing...everyone was so happy to bring some good cheer and drop off donations...it made my day...and brought a few tears to my receptionist...she was overwhelmed by the spirit of those folks....i see these acts of kindness all the time....and it always warms my heart about how people are generally good, kind and thoughtful....

    Merry Christmas all!

    1. habee profile image91
      habeeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with your general assessment of humanity! We're teaching such values to our grandchildren.

    2. uncorrectedvision profile image59
      uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I appreciate your good heart - Merry Christmas to you.

  6. Hugh Williamson profile image87
    Hugh Williamsonposted 6 years ago

    A Gallup poll concluded that religious people make less money than non-religious but they give more to charity. It also found that religious people make more of an effort to help a stranger or volunteer at local charities.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/111013/World … thers.aspx

    I'm not sure I completely agree, but they do have data to back up their conclusions.

 
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