Is being gay and marijuana punishments worst than the crime.

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   Castlepalomaposted 14 years ago

   Discussing about anything is harmless. I’m not into same sex /SEX or buying marijuana, and wrote a hub on both and had my hub on marijuana removed. I understand that there are NO places left where it is legal to smoke, it’s not even legal in Holland, but tolerated there. The authorities are force to turn a blind eye to it because there are more marijuana smoker in the world than Christians. Also the number one agricultural cash crop in the democracy leader USA is marijuana. The other harden crime is- Gay, it is considered a mental illness in 76 countries and as a crime and it was once so, here in Canada in 1973.You Christian, better listen up because more Christian do smoke pot than any other group, I know. Would that not make you guiltier than gays?
   
   
   Personally, the punishment for both is far worst than the assumed crime and I think both should be legal everywhere.
   
   What do you think? Should we make both legal or make both illegal. Or should both be force to send time in hell here on earth and in the afterlife.

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      Julie2posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Isn't Marijuana legal in Amsterdam? Let me know if things changed because I'll have to cancel my trip...
      
      It should be made legal. Alot of people need it for medicinal purposes, for ex: people with cancer that have to go thru chemo. They have to wait for scripts or have to buy it illegally. I really dont think its cool to keep it from sick people like that.
      
      As for the gay question, the other forum we were on today gave me a headache. I dont have anymore left in me, sorry. I'm sure you will get enough responses on that soon.

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         Castlepalomaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         To boil down the information on two huge taboo topics is hard to do. Yeah, a few countries allow pot for medical purposes, proscribed by doctors, but none of them proscribed alcohol. Imagine if you could grow marijuana in your back yard then the large corporation couldn’t make a killing getting you hooked on their legal drugs, its would be sad to cut into their high profits.
         
         USA Christian keep getting very high on, ganja, guns and god and hoping for gays to just go away. Funny, the more your against something, the more you are part of the problem or greater than. People need an outlet for their desires and the jerkin for Jesus website is not the answers, in fact, it’s very gay for males.

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            Castlepalomaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I just had to have the top three topics on this forum to be gay.

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               Julie2posted 14 years agoin reply to this

               love ya for it!

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      MrNickposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Isn't your point as to Christian smokers of weed rather moot?  I say that as a non-Christian, non-smoker (dabbled with both in my time) straight guy (haven't dabbled there but have no issues with gay people).
      
      My understanding is that the 'problem' many Christians have with gays is it considered a sin whilst smoking weed is just against the law.  Not sure an entirely secular point is really going to be worth persuing

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         Castlepalomaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         United States holds 25% of the world's prison population, prisoner of marijuana tops the charts and they learn a new trade of crime worst than what they were first sentence for. On a per capita bases the highest % group in jail are Christains.
         
         You get three strikes against you like 2 marijuana charges and minor shop lifting in some States, you get life in prison. United States is once again into Drugs and Sex, and Rock N Roll and once again resulting to Sodom and Gomorrah methods’ rather than going with the natural flow of sweet Mary Jane laws of nature.
         
         The reason I know a fair amount about drugs is because I’m in the artist field. Artists double the rate of drug user than any other field except the paramedical fields. It is the legal drugs that are more dangerous than illegal ones, I'm even more concerned about from those drug pushing doctors.

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            MrNickposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Not sure how that relates to my point about secular law vs religious law?
            
            That is to say Christians are unlikely to see smoking weed which is a secular problem alongside homosexuality which is against (they believe) God's teachings and so a sin (one that, iirc, stops you being able to enter heaven)

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               Castlepalomaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Maybe that's why Christian smoke up most, they want to belong on to another world.
               
               Being gay would stop you from entering heaven, but is partly illegal on earth.
               
               Where weed is totally illegal everywhere by mankind, but is considered natural enough to entre the super natural world of Jesus
               
               
               Sin is quiltier than ever

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         Pandoras Boxposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I actually heard a really good argument last night which supported the idea that God was gay himself.
         
         Okay, true, this was a stand-up comic act, but still... the man had a few good points.
         
         Both should be legalized. But how do they admit they've been wrong? How do you go from persecuting thousands daily to saying "whoops, my bad."
         
         People aren't so great at admitting they've been wrong. It's just a testiment to the ongoing stupidity of the human race. Oh but again, they'll never admit that.

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            Castlepalomaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I think people can change, look at bewitching, slavery, Christain crusades many of the commandment and many other unethical rules in the bible, that have changed.
            
            Look at the last 60 years, and the thing that were illegal. Like interracial marriage, the wall, being gay in 1973 than gay marriage in 2000 and so on.
            
            Imagine imprison a man for being gay , and sentence him to send time with a bunch of hard core gay men. That should teach him a lesson.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You said more Christians smoke pot than any other group?
      
      Where'd you get that idea?

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         Castlepalomaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         By my own personal experience and if you read 3 posts above, more Christians are in prison for weed than any other group. Of course claiming to be Christian and being Christ like could change the numbers, but who is judging

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            Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            You're right I bet.  The numbers would change.

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   habeeposted 14 years ago

   Both should be legal - and I'm a Christian, by the way!

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   WryLiltposted 14 years ago

   Just a small correction - in ACT, Australia, it's legal to grow ONE marijuana plant for 'personal use'.

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      Castlepalomaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Well, one tiny step for mankind. I wonder if you can grow your own Christmas and birthday presents gifts for your friends and family.
      
      Maybe some day, I can read a hub about reefer madness without having it trashed

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         Julie2posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Lets move to Australia!

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            Castlepalomaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I have a few friends who are into the pot head culture. I like my head clear, but would not mind for once, to take one toke without the concern of a bust from cops at the door.

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               Castlepalomaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Lwa enforcement starting againast marijuana in 1929, the budget claim to 1 billion dollars in 1950
               
               9 Dec 2010... over one trillion tax dollars, of that more money has been spent on marijuana
               
               Legal Pot Means Big Savings on Law Enforcement

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                  Stump Parrishposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  The equipment for the war on drugs is being supplied by same companies that are supplying our armed forces. What do you suppose is more important to them, the truth or profits. Canidates have to kow tow to those who appose the legalization of marijauna in the same fashion they kow tow to the religious right. Doesn't matter whether they agree with them or not. Votes are more important than the truth.

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                     Castlepalomaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     By far the worst thing about pot is that it is illlegal, it makes people too frighten to talk about or to vote on it.
                     
                     Make it legal for at lease the people who need it for medicinal purposes. Imagine all the suffering for people who can't access pot for medcinal purpose due to law nonsense.

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      Rafiniposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      How is ONE marijuana plant enforced?  Illegal marijuana plants could be grown in the wilderness where nobody would find it except the grower who then could sell it at a lower cost that the legal stuff in the stores.
      
      
      just curious.

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         Castlepalomaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Grand NEWS Folks
         
         They just legalized Marijuana in California for personal uses.
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         To me, that's like knocking down the Eastern Block Wall, except it will have a slow domino effect like the change in gay legalizing.
         I wouldn’t say legalize all drugs, but, the legalization of marijuana is the right thing to do. Marijuana is not as addicting as tobacco, hasn’t killed anyone, its medical uses are proven. Most importantly by legalization marijuana would reduce the prison population by a significant amount, and cure much of California debt, by taxing marijuana.

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         psycheskinnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Legal users are growing them in the living room in plain sight.  In that context it is as easy to enforce as having a TV or dog license.

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            Castlepalomaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I know cops, give a blind eye to it, but now they can't bust you and destroy your life over it.

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   klarawieckposted 14 years ago

   You are not supposed to be promoting sex in these forums. You need to go somewhere else if that's your intention.

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      Castlepalomaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah,!!! and it's not even gay.

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         klarawieckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         LOL

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            Castlepalomaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Just kidding, they did remove both xxx porn.

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   brimancandyposted 14 years ago

   I spend a lot of time around large groups of gay men in the summer months, (Thousands) and, I find it very sad that a majority of them are pot smokers. If it is not pot, its chain smoking, or an over abundance of alcohol and various other means of getting high.
   
   I only tried Pot once when I first came out in my late teens, and didn't care for it one bit. I also didn't start drinking until I was in my 20's, and I only drink mixed alcohol, no beer, and will only have a couple drinks, unless I know that I am going to be staying wherever I happen to be drinking at, and I never do it at home. Being drunk, or hungover is not fun at all.
   
   The reason I comment on this, is because I know guys, and have seen guys that get so messed up on everything that they are doing, that I often wonder if they are going to survive the night. They can also get very scary.
   
   However, I think alcohol is 100 times more dangerous than pot.
   I notice that most guys will limit it their pot smoking, because it's not cheap, where as they can go out drinking at a bar until they get
   thrown out, and move onto the next place where they drink even more. Some of the guys at my local campground have more booze than the local tavern. I know because they share it with all who come around, as drunk men are easy.
   
   I have seen some stuff that would shock the crap out of you.
   
   I forgot to mention that straight drunks are even worse.

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      Castlepalomaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I rarely get high, its fun or a delightful escape sometimes. In nature, bees get high on some poisonous flowers. I once even saw a bear fall out of his tree from getting too high.
      
      A small or certain amount of sex or drugs can be healthy or recreational enough, but too many people can get addicted and unbalance them selves over it, so I know what you mean.

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      Castlepalomaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I was on  gay master swim  team for three years and I was the only person not gay. I did not get ask out for drinks or become gay or become mad..
      
      It might be different if I was sent to prison for three years.

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   Stump Parrishposted 14 years ago

   When did they make being gay a crime again here in the land of the free? I missed that one. Homosexuality is a randomly occuring fact of nature. Marijuana is A natural plant. We Americans love making nature illegal for the financial gains of a few who use this money to keep these laws and get new ones passed when they happen to think one up. Nothing like a large contribution to a re-election campaign to get some laws passed for your benefit. Don't the lobbyist's check books running around Washington out number the elected officials like 3 to 1. Marijuana fuels too many government agencies and budgets for it to ever be legalized. Making hemp legal to grow would drastically reduce the profits of the companies that hire the lobbyists. No chance of a conflict of interest or kick backs here huh?

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      Castlepalomaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Stump
      
      In 5 states in the USA, out of 10 countries in the world, have legal Gay marriage .
      
      ILGA said in a May 2010 report that 76 nation criminalize “consensual sexual acts between persons of the same sex in private over the age of consent.
      
      A total of 7 deeply religious countries who do serve up the death penalty to gays

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         Castlepalomaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Could I have an o and a W - Wow

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         Stump Parrishposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         The caring and loving christians of this country would like to see the USA be number 8. I'm not sure if I understood your point or not. I dont think that simply because there are numerous barbaric countries around the world, is a reason for this country to become one, do you?

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            Stump Parrishposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            After re-reading some of the previous posts I realize I did misunderstand your post, my bad. Back to the weed part again. I smoke almost daily as it is the only thing that controls a condition I suffer from. I tried the legal drugs and discovered two things. 1, they didn't work and 2, the side effects would require more harmful yet legal drugs. It is impossible to OD from pot. Cops would much rather deal with a couch potato than a raving drunk. There is no valid reason for weed to be legal except for the loss of revenue to those who cant patent a plant.

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   kimberlyslyricsposted 14 years ago

   

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      brimancandyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Not me. Never.

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         Castlepalomaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I envison a day where gays and marijuana will be totally legal.

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            brimancandyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I see the marijuana being legal first. that way the senators who are secretly getting high and doing crack when they are not passing laws against it can do it and claim they are not the two-faced bastards everyone thinks they are.
            
            Eventually the pole smokers will follow. And, that was of course a joke. My motto could be...I would rather smoke a pole.

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               Castlepalomaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               OWWPs I found out the TV news cast that said marijuana is legal, made a mistake, 53% are not for it.
               
               Wait some more time, I guess.

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         Castlepalomaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I thought more people would cared.
         
         The worst thing about pot, is that it is illlegal and the punishment harms people greater over all.

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      Castlepalomaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      How marijuana is is legal and where it’s legal
      -Australia
      Cannabis laws state by state. Decriminalized in Western Australia & South Australia. Tasmania, Victoria, & Queensland policies involve ticketing for below 50 grams-
      -Canada {small amounts of less than 3 grams for personal use by adults are
      -Netherlands certain cafes/coffeeshops are allowed to sell cannabis and hold 100 grams behind the counter and another 500 grams in the back Possession of less than 5 grams or growing of less than 5 plants will not be prosecuted.
      - Jamaica, Canada and the USA {by medical prescription ONLY, for relief of nausea and vomiting associated to chemotheraphy treatment; for religious ritual purposes in Rastafarian places of reunion and/or worship}

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   fit2dayposted 14 years ago

   There's a debate about legalizing marijuana in the U.S. I'm against legalizing it for a few reasons. One reason is I don't like to be around marijuana smoke, but the main reason is because of any benefits that it may currently have would be thrown out the window once it's industrialized.
   
   Cigarettes have  multitude of poisons in them, but if people just smoked tobacco by itself, there would be less addiction and far fewer cases of lung cancer.
   
   With that said industrialized marijuana would be pumped full of chemicals to make it more addictive and harmful

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      Castlepalomaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Tobacco per capita has been cut in half from the 1960s and Marijuana is not as addicting as tobacco. It's been proven that marijuana is a medicine for some and can be grown in your window box or garden cutting out large cooperation and the war on drugs. People are going to do weed anyways and it’s a big win for the people.
      
      Throughout human history people are the true leaders, not the corrupted militartary complex and Governments
      
      Harry Anslignger outlaw marijuana and said it was The most violence drug in the history of mankind. WOW MAN!!! In Vietnam the largest problem was motivating pot smoking troops to kill well enough, alcohol worked far better. Half of all auto traffic deaths in America due to alcohol. Reefer madness will never match the harm that alcohol, tobacco, and prison has done to us. Harry Anslinger primary reason to outlaw weed is an addictive drug which produces in its user’s insanity, criminality, and death. Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men and leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing. Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind. Well the darkies part is a bit true, my last trip to Russia was like a flash back of our wild flower power 1960s and 70s and  saw darkies dancing with Russians

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