Western versus eastern cultures

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marwan asmarposted 13 years ago
Have you ever felt that western culture is a higher form than eastern culture and why?
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  For me it's the opposite. Eastern cultures are far older thus far wiser (higher) than Western culture.
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  DTR0005posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think if we were painfully honest with ourselves, the answer would be "yes." It is only "human" to view one's culture in the most favorable light. The problem arises when one culture acts adversely against another out of the flawed belief that you can make that culture more like your own...
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  qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Marwan:
  Pls define: "higher form."
  That's too vague a concept for me consider.
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  qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No reply? Why?
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  S Leretsehposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  qwark, I don't think your question has an answer.
  
  Western C. is largely associated with the arts, free speech in the political arena, philosophy, and science. Race, language and geography are also associated with Western Civilizations. Suffice to say Western Civilization countries today are undergoing a profound change ... mostly from multiculturalism (Romans and Greeks experienced this same process thru immigration, then cultural dilution ... and then collapse). Many immigrants /diverse people don't (or can't) relate to it - -and don't want it.
  
  Jesse Jackson at Stanford Univ 1988.: "Hey hey, ho ho, Western Civilization has got to go."
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  qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ...if it has no answer, why ask?
  The question is vague.
  I don't understand how/why anyone would attempt to answer it.
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  S Leretsehposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  it is a question worthy of a response. ones response doesn't hv to be an "answer"
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  qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Correct, it doesn't.
  If his question was vague, why respond with a response or an answer unless it is to ask for clarification?
  Makes no sense to me.
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  Hugh Williamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What is your answer to your own question?
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  One culture cannot be higher than another. Each are different/unique in their own manner. Each are made up of human beings, each based on individuality, governed for societal safety.
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  RachaelLeflerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Cagsil that was what I was going to say. We're all humans and what matters is not our differences that keep us apart but the similarities that bring us closer together.
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  psycheskinnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No.
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  RachaelLeflerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This kind of thing just invites a flame war, so I think it's a bad question. Also, you need to specifically define not just "better", but also what cultures ARE Eastern and Western? What are countries like Russia and Turkey, for example? And it's hard to lump neighboring countries or countries with the same language or religion in as part of a single defined culture.
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  andycoolposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What is culture, well I think it's all about social norms and customs that are practiced in a country, and how they are manifested in the lives of people. The basic difference between western cultures and eastern cultures lies in how they treat women and how open are they about sex. Most of the eastern cultures, particularly the Islamic nations, treat women as objects, to that extent the cultures are inferior.
  
  On the other hand the western cultures are vocal about women's liberty, and so superior in conventional sense. But here is a twist, lets's talk about sex. In western cultures sex plays an important role and they're far more open in sex matters. It's OK though, and since sex is such an intense desire people in the east are attracted to it in the western way.
  
  Sex was practiced in ancient India as an art and it was codified beautifully in "Kamasutra", an ancient Indian book. The book dealt with how to have a superior sex life.
  
  Today sex is sold in the market to earn customers... look at the ads, they use sex to sell goods. And when we talk about sex in ads it's all about display of female body. This is a concept of the western world. How do they then treat women equally with men?
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Kamasutra is a vile book that caused me to sprain my leg...
  
  among other things
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  andycoolposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  In fact Islam treats women far better than the west does (true Islam that is, not the fundamentalists or the religious nutters) Married women were allowed to own property whilst western women were regarded as chattels of their husbands and any property they had became their husbands.
  A lot of the constraints put on women were for their own safety where life was very tribal.
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  andycoolposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think it's not like that in general.
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You think!
  
  Try finding out then instead of just relying on your prejudices.
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  oldhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am an American and have studied Chinese for about 9 years. I feel that language and culture are very intertwined, and hope knowing something about another culture in a deeper than average way makes me a better human being. However, I think it is not useful to talk about one culture being higher or better than another. There are differences and similarities in all cultures. People all have some cultural background that flavors their outlook on the world somewhat, but the basics are pretty similar. People all have families, friends, hopes, aspirations, sorrows and disappointments in their lives.
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  andycoolposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your idea is truly brilliant, when you delve into cultures other than the one you belong to, you help yourself to get enriched and enlightened. Cheers!
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Evan G Rogersposted 13 years ago
nope.

Cuz it's not.
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lady_love158posted 13 years ago
No. Except that some eastern cultures treat women poorly.
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  As do some western cultures until recently, indeed it could be said that many eastern cultures treated their women better than western ones.
  
  But I think "higher" doesn't come into it. Different no doubt but when you think of how much we owe to the East, there are no grounds for claiming higher.
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prettydarkhorseposted 13 years ago
you can say however that a culture is more developed (in terms of technology).

But you can't say the other culture is better or otherwise.
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  marwan asmarposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, but from the stuff you read, branded here and there, have you ever felt, this is low as an example
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  there is what we call dominant culture mostly bec of its influence in other culture like the Western culture influencing people in different parts of the world through mass media
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lady_love158posted 13 years ago
Forced genital mutilation and honor killings are not indications of an enlightened culture.
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But not indicative of entire cultures and although we have no history of genital mutilation, we do have a history of mistreating women and treating them as second class people-for all their lives!
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recommend1posted 13 years ago
There are many facets to culture and the dominance of one over another by colonisation does not mean the dominant culture is better, some cultures or societies are more developed than others, it doesn't make them better.

It is clearly obvious that the most dominant and advanced culture at this time is the most barbaric, using its dominant position to starve parts of the world for its own trade advantage, dropping radio controlled bomb drones onto houses full of women and children because some target 'might' be in there, carrying out illegal detention and torture as normal business, terrorising its own population and imprisoning more people per capita than any other nation or culture.
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Right as opposed to the rest of the "civilized" cultures that simply turn the other cheek when attacked unprovoked and enslave oppress and abuse their own people for the "good" of their "culture". Lol.
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Assuming that you are talking about the US, when has anybody launched an unprovoked attack on you?
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Civilization is not about what a culture 'has' or has not - it is what is in the minds of the people.
  
  Your mind seems to be empty of humanity and any form of advanced reasoning and is full of "Forced genital mutilation and honor killings" and "enslave oppress and abuse" and some idea that anyone with a social conscience is a liar or a fool. The eastern countries have been the centre of world trade and civilization for thousands of years, it is only in the last 400 years that the west has surpassed in trade, and it never seemed to bother too much with catch-up on the civilization front. Things will return to normal soon I guess, history tells us that this would seem to be the best.
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You continue to attack me! This isn't about what you think is in my mind or what you think my opinion is of others this thread is about cultures and which is better. I never said that western culture is better only that eastern cultures treat women as second class citizens and are in some ways barbaric (by western standards) in their treatment of women accused of "crimes".
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And I only repeated some of what you said. If you think that speaking your words back to you is attacking then you should take more care over what you write. You fill these forums with vile words, misrepresenations and straight forward lies - which pretty much echoes most of the problem with the drip feed of poison that is infecting what there is of western culture.
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And you litter the forums with hateful personal attacks that clearly show your intolerance for those that don't share your views which are nothing more than left wing socialist talking points absent of any truth.
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  OOOOOO! Get her!
  
  Unlike your daily personal attacks that show your intolerance for those that don't share your narrow and bigoted views.
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't make personal attacks!
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If you say so!
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's not very nice of you to say. What's being a left winged liberal got anything to do with your differences with some of these hubbers?
  
  Sounds like a p*ss poor excuse for bad behavior.
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prettydarkhorseposted 13 years ago
this topic should be under social issues - education. I didn't know it was classified under Middle east and Political Issues unless it was expounded into differentiating Middles East from Western culture. Eastern culture in general is differentiated from Middle Eastern culture mainly by virtue of religion, Muslim and Buddhism.

Unless the OP wants to differentiate Middle East from Western culture.
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spookyfoxposted 13 years ago
I've felt (some) Asian cultures have more wisdom. Don't they say the Chinese invented everything?
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John Holdenposted 13 years ago
Who was it when asked for their opinion of western civilisation, replied that they thought it would be a good idea?
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Home Girlposted 13 years ago
To understand fully the culture you have to live in the country, speak its language at least a little, know its history somehow, because external features might give you the wrong signal. it's hard to compare apples and oranges and people sometimes do that recklessly. They throw away,dismiss, laugh at things they do not understand. They laugh at "how" but they do not know "why", and "why" is very important. Civilization is a good thing but sometimes the price we pay for it is too high. Canada is a beautiful, civilised country, but... in some places it is so polluted by us, people who build it, that people living there have dirty rivers and lakes, you cannot swim in, with lots of environmental issues including their health, and I think it's the worst thing after the war and famine, that could happen.
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Greek Oneposted 13 years ago
Civilizations from all parts of the world have made wonderful contributions to the development of 'human' culture.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Greek One for President!
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S Leretsehposted 13 years ago
WOW. One can write a very lengthy book on this subject.

Researching the origins of Western C. has been a hobby of mine for some time. IMO, and for what it’s worth, the true genesis of Western C. is a single event in Lydia circa 700 BC: the invention of coin currency. The Chinese, and maybe even a few large tribes in India as well, may hv had coin currency but the effect on the Mediterranean societies (i.e. their respective aristocracies) was enormous. The very short of it is that it is this “effect’ that defines Western C. Also, you’ll notice “history” basically begins around this time. Capitalism also has it’s genesis here and with this culture.

Western C. isn’t superior, but all the world's people/tribes/male groups/ racial groups have been introduced to each other solely because of this Western C. It seems to me to be the one deciding and driving force that has prevented the human specious from stagnating. This culture still dominates.
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This would seem to be broadly true I would say,except that you use the word 'introduced' for invaded, conquered and subjugated
  
  Good post, useful and thoughtful information.
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dutchman1951posted 13 years ago
any Culture, that treats 1/2 of their population as property, is not an advanced society at all. East to me from all my travels seems to be caught in Religious Traditions that keep the people opressed.

once you live in some of those countries, you begin to understand why the Goverments insist on Islamic Law. It is a forcefull brainwashed way to contol the people, without the Goverments looking like they are doing it.

East is not what it is cracked up to be. Thats why all those folks with money head for Europe and the USA, they are more educated and know just what it really is!

be carefull what you wish for; "You just might get it!"
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The largest Eastern culture nation is China. They believe in Buddhism, and the principles of Chi; not Islam. There are more Hindu's and Chinese Buddhist, than there are Christians or Muslims.
  
  It is my opinion that you might have confused Middle Eastern culture, with Eastern culture and traditions. China is the largest Eastern society on the planet. India is second.
  Therefore, I do contest your statement as being somewhat misconstrued and flawed.
  
  China is fastly becoming a stronger superpower than the USA.
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secularist10posted 13 years ago
There is some confusion about the word "eastern," it can refer to the Far East or East Asia (China, Korea, Japan) or the Middle East/ Southwest Asia (Egypt, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc). Sometimes it includes South Asia (India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka).

Comparing modern western culture to the modern Arab world, which is the Middle East and North Africa, of course western society is superior. It is superior scientifically, technologically, politically, culturally, socially, rationally, etc.

These superior qualities are not simply a function of "western pride" or familiarity with what we are comfortable with, it is a function of far superior outcomes in many areas: political freedom, equality between men and women, economic opportunity, superior health outcomes, greater scientific advancement, greater material prosperity, less violence, more stability, more rationalism in government and society, greater cultural expression. In all these areas, the modern west is superior to the modern Arab world.

Comparing the modern west to modern east Asian cultures, obviously there is not such superiority, because societies like Japan and Korea have standards of living and levels of peace and stability right on par with most of the west.

However, this is all in modern times. 1000 years ago, the western world was far inferior to the Arab and Islamic world. The latter had greater wealth and prosperity, more peace and stability, less violence and war, more scientific advances, and more economic activity and opportunity. That was also largely a function of different cultures and values.
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Onusonusposted 13 years ago
Western culture is better. More individual freedom, better technology, we've got a huge middle class, we put our the best movies, we are eco friendly, we've got more opportunities for learning, and a constitution which if emmulated by other countries would make the world a better place all around.
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
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  nickuptonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This is a joke right?
  
  More individual freedom? In general yes, but many Asian countries have far more freedom to get on with life without over regulation.
  
  Better technology? Errr, most of the best cars in the world come from Japan. Japan implements revolutionary technology like the magnet train, hybrid cars, digital cameras; mobile phones were commonplace in Asia way before the West. Not saying East is better here, just that it is wrong to say the west is.
  
  West has a bigger middle class. Yes probably, much of Asia is catching up quickly.
  
  More opportunities for learning. I am not sure that is true. I live in Thailand where there are huge numbers of universities, colleges, technical colleges, art schools, music schools, language schools, temple schools, royal foundations of education..........
  
  Constitution of the west???? I assume you are talking about Magna Carta?
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  Onusonusposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ok maybe you are right about better technology in Japan, But can you honestly compare our individual freedom to the East? Have you heard of a place called China? And how about all the middle eastern countries? I'm pretty sure alot of them treat their women like second class citizens. And can you deny that Thailand is known as the place where petophiles go for vacation to bad stuff to little kids? Talk about moral degeneration, this does not even come close in comparison.
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh dear.
  
  Just because poor people in poor countries can be bought does not say something about their culture, it says everything about the culture of the people who travel there to take advantage of that situation !
  
  Complaining that other countries treat their women like second class citizens is disingenuous when the US treats its second class citizens like second class citizens, we have so-called christians in these threads telling us that their wives are to do what they are told, and wives defending this practice, if you haven't got out and about among your own black sub-culture who mostly tell me they are treated like second class citizens then it is about time you did.
  
  Just because your culture keeps you under control by inducing terrorism and then making laws to protect you that only reduce your so-called freedoms does not mean you are less controlled than other countries.
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  Onusonusposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If you realy think that women in America are opperssed, or any other group of people, then I would have to come to the conclusion that you must not live in America. Black people are guaranteed just as many if not more job opportunities as any other race. The same goes for women, infact employers are required to meet a quota in order that this standard is maintained, even in areas which have a lower percentage of ethnic inhabitants.
  
  And what laws are you talking about that keep the unruly citizens under control of the arm of our so called mighty opperssive government? In America the people tell the government what to do, not the other way around.
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  A truly free and equal society would have no need for quotas.
  
  Try the PATRIOT act for oppressive government.
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  Hugh Williamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This has been a paid political announcement.
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This comment is in place of anything intelligent to say
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Correction, This post is in place of anything to say.
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  Hugh Williamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Having a bad day?
  
  Posting inane drivel will get attention but it doesn't enlighten.
  
  Google "paid forum posting" and see if any of it sounds like your buddy.
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  Hugh Williamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Intelligence is posting trash on behest of those who pay you? Your biggest industry is "internal security" and you budget more money for that than for your military.
  
  Why??
  
  Everyone is so happy in the peoples paradise so why do you need such a huge force? Who do they police?
  
  Your "culture" includes no freedom of press, no freedom for the citizens to use the internet as they wish. What are you afraid they'll learn?
  
  Your time is coming to an end. The Chinese people will take their country back.
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I can see now why the first comment, it WAS because you have nothing intelligent to say.
  
  I have told you this many many times before - and you can go back check my posts if you can hold attention that long - but you clearly have a short memeory issue
  I am not Chinese
  I have never defended China or what it does
  Is that clear enough ?
  
  I have pointed up the sickening hypocrisy and lies of idiots who post up 'photos' that are faked up, misrepresented and from a time before the Vietnam atrocities.
  
  I do live here and I rarely see a 'policeman' in daily life unless they are controlling traffic, or when a dignitary goes through when they appear to keep the traffic route clear through the city. The last one through was the Russian Prime Minister a week or so ago, it used to be americans like Clinton but these days the visitors seem to be the occasional Russian or Japanese, the majority all appear to be from the developing countries like Africa, Phillipines, Middle East, Kyrgistan, Uzhbekistan, Ethiopia etc etc etc etc., where China is contributing heavily to build their infrastructures so they have the chance of development denied them so long under western colonisation, abandonment and unfair trade agreements with the despotic little rulers the west supports and pays.
  
  I read the Chinese press which is clearly controlled as you say, but as you can see yourself I have no problems using the internet - except that pornography does not appear in everything, a good thing in my own opinion - I also note that kids still run around in the heat with open gusset pants, and nobody is stalking them, and taking photographs of them does not to carry a jail sentence.
  
  You should take of those fake ray-bans you seem so proud of and take a look with your eyes open - look at your own culture before spouting bull@h!t that only reveals your own hyposcrisy.
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Midasfxposted 13 years ago
I think the last thing the world needs is another USA.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not from a political or religious standpoint. No.
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Diane Insideposted 13 years ago
If you are talking only of the culture itself and not the other aspects that has actually changed its culture such as technology, I would say they all have their own unique attributes that make them all equal.

Such as cultures that place a high value on family, or cultures that value education or both, some cultures value religion more than others, and some value individuality more than others etc....

I particulary think that western US culture is unique because of the diversity of cultures mixed together like a big melting pot of sorts.

I observed one time to my father, that so many great inventions actually started or came from the US. Not really thinking about why this was. Inventions like the telephone, automobiles, first flight, etc....

His answer was fast as if it should have been obvious to me, well the US from early on, has been a great mix of many cultures from all over the world, it was like a concentration of all cultures in one area, so inevitably with cultures living here together and collaborating whether intentional or not will produce different forms of thought than when cultures where seperated.

So I in this respect I would say that western culture particularly US culture is superior because of diversity in cultures.
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Really! Telephone invented by a Scots man, Alexander Graham Bell, living in Canada.
  The automobile invented by a German, Karl Benz, living in Germany.
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  Diane Insideposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  your are so brilliant and of course overlooked what I was trying to say.
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh sorry, I thought you were saying that the US was responsible for the invention of the telephone and the car!
  
  What were you trying to say then?
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  Diane Insideposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  that cultures with diversity including canada and the like do seem to produce great technology that make advances that benefit the whole world. Than compared to many eastern cultures who seem to want to stay static and not move forward.
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hm, achievements of Eastern culture! Off the top of my head;-
  
  Gunpowder
  Algebra.
  Astronomy.
  Trigonometry.
  Printing.
  Decimal place system.
  Coins.
  The Compass.
  Kites.
  Paper.
  Paper Money.
  
  That do for now or do you want more?
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  Diane Insideposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ha, ha, ha, I see you like to argue, I see the pattern, well have fun with someone else. Bye.
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, I just don't like totally inaccurate statements.
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Diane Insideposted 13 years ago
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LeanManposted 13 years ago
Western culture is great, getting totally drunk and vomiting in the streets on a Friday night, children abusing and disrespecting any adult they run across and no one being able to do anything about it and so on.... I love western culture!!!

Maybe that's why I now live in the east, the kids ALL respect their elders, and you would not see the drunken behavior you see in the west! Things are not perfect but I feel a lot safer and more comfortable here!
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S Leretsehposted 13 years ago
Equality of women is equated with advancement? Nonsense. And how is this advancement achieved? By legislative threats.

Whenever you hv to force people to comply, monitor their behavior (EEOC), threaten them with mental conditioning courses (sensitivity training), in reality you've got something that doesn't work...and should be. Women should assume their natural place. Telling them, instructing them, forcing them to pursue manhood may be a boon for lawyers (lots of lawsuits), but it is damaging to business and to family. Again, females should assume their natural place. That will be accomplished by getting rid of these ridiculous Western Civilization civil rights laws.
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prettydarkhorseposted 13 years ago
there is no better or best culture - all things are relative if we talk about culture. If a certain way to live is the way that it is practice in a certain place, then so be it. It is condescending to argue that your culture is better than mine. Comparing whether using fork and spoon is better than chop sticks is absurd. Some practices, belief system, religion and technology affects the way people live. These are all rooted in their sense of being and becoming as a group.
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  secularist10posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So you are content with the Taliban's treatment of women? It is all relative?
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If the women doesn't want that kind of treatment, they themselves will work for it to change, it will take time. Information technology is a big influence. Here in the West, we always look at the way we do things as the basis on what other should do.
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  secularist10posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's kind of an odd thing to say. Why would any sane person who is given the choice, choose a life of domestic servitude and to be treated like a mangy animal?
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  it is part of their way of life. They were raised like that and that is the way they do things. They marry, they served their husbands, raised children and never complained. For some women who belong to rich family who have the wealth to study abroad, when they return to their place, they see the difference. They influenced other women and start to rebel, sporadically.
  
  Plus some women are happy doing those things bec. it is what their mother did and so on and on. Then here we are telling them about what happiness is all about and in the process we deem it necessary that they also do what we are doing. Overall, I see religion as the biggest influential factor in a culture.
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  secularist10posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Of course it's part of their way of life. That is precisely the point--their way of life is tragic and revolting to the human conscience.
  
  You said they can become "enlightened," thus you admit that there are some cultural standards that are superior to others.
  
  A culture that treats men and women equally--good. A culture that makes women the property of their husbands, to be beaten up and tortured--bad. Glad we agree
  
  BTW, I'm not sure you realize just how barbaric the Taliban were to women. This isn't just women humbly and meekly serving their husbands and staying in the kitchen like in 1950s America. Women under the Taliban rule are tortured in the most unspeakable ways for the most minor offenses.
  
  There is a story of a woman who tripped and accidently bumped into a strange man in the street. Her husband immediately chopped off her finger tips in public, in front of their child.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't particularly know what is happening there as media sometimes sensationalized it. In my own opinion, time can tell if the dominant culture like ours (Western) can influence them. While I respect their culture, I also acknowledge that women should be happier if they can have more time for themselves and can participate in decision making.
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  secularist10posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The horrors of the Taliban are very well documented, if you care to look into it. There are similar tendencies in Iran and Saudi Arabia and other countries, although not as brutal.
  
  I am sorry, but I do not respect any culture--western or eastern--that treats women as the property of men. It's interesting that you as a woman take such an agnostic attitude.
  
  This is not about some jingoistic narrow-minded "USA! USA!" pride. This is about basic human decency and human rights. Some cultures respect humanity and some do not.
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Just as some Muslims distort their religion, so do some Christians. That is extremism and does not reflect on the culture.
  The Taliban are a minority, a very vocal and dangerous minority, but not representative of Islam.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I realized that I can only do so much, I can't go there, forced them to do the things that I deemed correct in my opinion. Who am I to change one side of their culture? I applaud you bec. you will not do that to a woman.
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  secularist10posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You may not be able to travel to Afghanistan and single-handedly change their culture, but you can at least recognize it and affirm it.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I recognized their culture, respect it, and it is not the culture that I like but I just am not that powerful to change it. Time will change it and the people there.
  
  As this argument will go and on, I would like to move on and nice sharing ideas to everyone here.
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  secularist10posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't understand how anyone can "respect" the torturing, maiming, brainwashing and rape of innocent people. That's all.
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Now this I can agree with - get the US the hell out of all those countries and shut Guantanemo.
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  Hugh Williamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Get the Communist Chinese out of Tibet and stop killing them.
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And until very recently that would describe both the UK and the US.
  There is still a reluctance on the part of some police in the UK to intervene in domestic violence.
  Until very recently married women vested all their property in their husbands, and still mostly adopt their husbands name on marriage, I can remember my mother calling herself Mrs Edward Holden!
  
  We aren't really so far ahead to allow us too much pomposity.
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  secularist10posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's correct. The west has its own heritage of female oppression. As late as the 1970s there were laws on the books in Mississippi preventing a woman from selling property without the consent of her husband.
  
  Nevertheless, the Taliban seem to be among the all-time greats in the arena of female oppression. To say nothing of their other backward beliefs.
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But, once again, they are a minority and not typical of Islamic culture.
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  secularist10posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Who said they were typical of Islamic culture?
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well you've been implying that they are.
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  secularist10posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nope. Where did I imply that?
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Home Girlposted 13 years ago
Social, personal freedom and the law that generally cannot be bought, twisted or bribed are very important. Believe me, I lived for many years in the system that could be twisted, bribed, without personal freedom whatsoever. You have to keep your mouth shut, you have to know what you can and cannot say, where you can and cannot go. You are not a person, you are a little worm, any goverment representative can step on you and kill you. To live without fear, to be able to say what you think and not to go to a prison for 25 years for that. You, guys, who never experiensed that, HAVE NO IDEA, how hard it is, how devastating it is. Any country have problems, but there are problems and PROBLEMS. Give me 100 USAs for one CUBA, NICARAGUA or former USSR, I'll take them all. 100 USAs with all their corruptions, unemployment,discriminations,bad polititians, warts and all!
And Canada, my native land from now on. Not perfect but quite doable, very dull, very boring but safe and sound, thank you.
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Evan G Rogersposted 13 years ago
How about this:

I'll consider the comparison once the OP defines culture.
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knolyourselfposted 13 years ago
I always thought of the East as Asia.
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Hugh Williamsonposted 13 years ago
You seem to forget that most of the world has a free press and knows very well what goes on in PRC. Corruption is rampant and major projects are initiated just for the bribes to be had. You have no respect for international patent or copyright laws. Your industrial spying network is well known and doesn't exactly testify to any sense of honesty in dealing with others.

Public executions in China are common and you know this well. That's the price you pay for safe streets? And you're proud of that? You lie about photos of Tibetan executions being from "Viet Nam". Nice try. Anyone can google the subject (anyone outside of China, that is) and find plenty of other pictures of atrocities. Telling the truth has never been a communist strong point.

A good liar needs a good memory. You should go back and read what you posted in the past before digging your hole any deeper. Try being truthful for once -- you might even like it.
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am not sure what all that blabbering has to do with my post - which you clearly did not read, in the same way you didn't read the caption that came with your photos bleating about 30 year old Chinese violence that clearly stated it was in India
  
  You clearly don't get the point at all that since that photo was taken (in India) you have trashed Vietnam, Iraq, paid mercenaries to kill all over South America, destabilised parts of Africa - but lets have a good round of crocodile tears for the Dalai Lhama - though even he admits they are unnecccesary.
  
  The situation of the Tibetan people is an issue that has nothing to do with your infantile rantings and pus bag of preconceptions courtesy of Fox news I guess. I am set to visit Mongolia and Tibet next summer, both places where me and Chinese and Tibetan people are free to come and go. In Tibet I will visit my good Tibetan friend who moved back there from Wuhan and got married last year, and from whom I prefer to get my news and views about it all.
  
  You just keep on with masturbating your indignations while overlooking your own faults - it has already sent you blind
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Hugh Williamsonposted 13 years ago
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/18283/
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This is like having a disagreement with my dog, whatever I say it just looks at me and repeats "go walkies" - except that my dog displays a better grasp of things than you. Posting up lots of 'stuff' while ignoring my points is infantile.
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  Hugh Williamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You offer nothing except personal attacks because you have nothing else to offer. Evidently the health care system in PRC doesn't provide anger management classes.
  
  Execution buses? That's advanced technology for you.
  
  I know it hurts your brain to read, but maybe someone else will be interested in Amnesty International's report on your human rights record.
  
  http://www.amnestyusa.org/annualreport. … &c=CHN
  
  You have a dog? For what...supper or dog fur on exported clothing?
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Come on !! walkies
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  Hugh Williamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Don't do your walkie near this guy.
  
  http://www.examiner.com/animal-welfare- … s-incident
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Still nothing to say, no reply to any of my points ? you are just another mindless troll.
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  Hugh Williamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You have no points. You do no research.
  
  No response to the info I provided you with?
  
  You choose to be led around by the nose rather than to think for yourself. You're probably living in the right place.
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But Hugh, what point are you trying to make?
  Surely not that eastern culture is somehow inferior to western culture?
  Virtually everything that you accuse China of can be applied to western countries can't it.
  
  From the invasion of foreign countries (Afghanistan and Iraq)to censorship and intrusion (the patriot act). You really have no grounds for taking the high moral ground.
  
  I'm reminded that people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
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  Hugh Williamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  John - the OP inquired about "culture." I saw no posts about such things as music, art, philosophy, etc. just accusations. That's why I joined in the fray.
  
  It's fashionable in some circles to blame the West in general, and the U.S.and UK in particular, for being the cause of the world's problems. Well, communist China, of all places, can't be held up as a model of what a society should be - at that point things go from uninformed to ridiculous. Your "glass house" analogy cuts both ways.
  
  Read back - none of my posts held up the West as an ideal for anything - although we certainly are for individual liberty.
  
  The U.S. elected a president from a minority group; minorities don't fare too well in many eastern countries. We legislate equality for women also. We have no barriers stopping those who leave and try their luck somewhere else. We aren't perfect; we are a work in progress.
  
  What do you want in your life - order, obedience, managed economy or freedom? Think long and hard before you surrender your freedom.
  
  No one gets to claim the high ground based on their geographical location. I have no problem with the Chinese people, it's their government that's the problem.
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But culture is much much more than music and the arts. It's the food you eat and how you eat it, it's the way you interact with your fellow man, it's shared values, attitudes and goals.
  
  I don't blame the west, the US and the UK for all the worlds problems but that doesn't mean that I'm blind to the faults of the west either. Neither do I hold any country up as a model. And neither do expect every country to have reached the same level of development all at the same time.
  It would be much fairer to compare the China of today with the US and UK of 100-150 years ago.
  Would you castigate an eight year old for not having the depth of knowledge of an 18 year old university student?
  
  Freedom is a chimera, we are all free to do what we are allowed to do, no society actively encourages disorder, disobedience or a mismanaged economy, though you could argue for the last point if you live in the UK or US who could both do with a touch of managed economy.
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  Hugh Williamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I respect your viewpoint.
  
  In the West we don't see the full impact of human rights abuse. In some cases women are treated as property (disposable property) - this is is just wrong. There is no cultural justification for killing or cruelty. It isn't justified because you are a newly developing country and you haven't learned your manners yet.
  
  Freud is credited with saying "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." Sometimes cruelty is also uncomplicated.
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Indeed, there is no justification for killing or cruelty. We've learnt to ignore the bible when it advocates such things (and it does) but had we even 150 years ago?
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  Hugh Williamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  150 years ago few people spent a lot of time worrying about the human rights of others. (But some did). Shameful acts of savagery were committed, followed by savage retaliation.
  
  No one alive today is to blame for what others did back then. We have enough on our plate today to keep us busy but I agree we shouldn't repeat the mistakes of the past because we now should know better.
  
  Making a claim of superiority never fixed anything nor did it make the claimant one iota better or more moral. But it's easier than trying to “Be the change you want to see in the world.”
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, you're missing my point completely. You are assuming that all nations develop at the same pace and the whole world should be at the same stage of development.
  
  Not justifying or excusing but to liken 21st century China with 21st Century US or UK is wrong, it doesn't work.
  China was still a peasant economy while we were starting to sort out our civil liberties.
  It makes more sense to compare them with the 18th century western world.
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Home Girlposted 13 years ago
I just wanted to add 2 more pennies into this pot of different opinions and experiences. Being a visitor in any country, you can never tell what exactly is going on there. You have to live there, work there, experience the social justice/injustice on a local person's level. Then you know, no rosy glasses for you there, no misconceptions. It's especially true in communist countries. They are very well prepared for turists, the whole world should know how well they do live, how prosperous they are!
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Greek Oneposted 13 years ago
What about Northern and Southern Culture?

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  Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I like it. Those girls seem to like it...
  
  what's not to like?
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Home Girlposted 13 years ago
What about it, mighty Greek?
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Hugh Williamsonposted 13 years ago
"No, you're missing my point completely. You are assuming that all nations develop at the same pace and the whole world should be at the same stage of development."

There's one major difference in China today and the "developing" countries of 150 yrs ago. China is controlled by communism and it's chief aim is to preserve itself at any cost. They aren't murdering native populations or people in weaker countries - they kill their own citizens for real or imagined reasons. Their stage of development, or morality, is whatever the leaders say it will be and their personal values don't come into play. Not yet, that is.

The Chinese people are well educated and, unlike 150 years past, well informed...despite the gov't's attempts to control all media. They will be heard from - and it probably won't be any prettier than uprisings were 150 years ago.
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, Communism! Well there you have it, it'd be all right if they were good capitalists.
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  Hugh Williamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Where did that come from?
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  " China is controlled by communism and it's chief aim is to preserve itself at any cost."
  
  There.
  
  Is it not the aim of the US and UK to preserve itself at any cost?
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  Hugh Williamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The last estimate I read was that Chm Mao offed 35.5 million Chinese to weed out the reactionaries.
  
  That's a pretty big number. No, The US and UK never did anything comparable. If you want to make us look bad, China is a bad comparative to use.
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Er, Mao Tse Tung died in 1976, that's 35 years ago!
  
  Things have changed in that over quarter of a century.
  
  I'm not trying to make us look bad, I'm just trying for a sense of proportion and reality.
  
  BTW, the East is far more than China.
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you ! This is the single point I have been trying to make in all my posts from day one.
  
  A sense of proportion and reality.
  
  In those 35 years the US, the UK, France, and other western nations have committed atrocities and still are, have 'murdered' umpteen millions and are still in that business, have violently invaded other countries etc etc - so ranting on about the same or similar issues with China is hypocrisy at full volume.
  
  If this is about democracy and communism then that is a different argument with different issues.
  
  If this is about Capitalism and communism then that is a different argument with different issues.
  
  As the Chinese often say when people get angry "go and do some self-reflection".
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually it is about neither.
  It is about capitalism and state capitalism.
  China, as is the US, is a republic.
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I know, I see my post was a little confused in direction I was pointing up the various ways in which culture could be argued following your pointing it out in the first place. And the end line was an auto-response directed at Hugh !
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Rafiniposted 13 years ago
If we want to compare eastern cultures with western cultures all we have to do is accept the fact that one, which has been around a long, long time, is quite set in its ways while the other, which hasn't been around nearly as long, is quite young and still trying to determine which way is best.

So, to answer your question - no, I don't think one is better or "higher" than the other.
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IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years ago
There is so much more to a region than their politics. Considering just the political side of a cultural, in my opinion, is being extremely short-sighted.
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Hugh Williamsonposted 13 years ago
"Er, Mao Tse Tung died in 1976, that's 35 years ago!

His victims are still just as dead.

How can a nation or region or ethnic group or whatever -- claim to have a high degree of "culture" without personal and political freedom?

In a democracy you can work toward fixing what's wrong. In a dictatorship you want what you're told you want. Benevolent dictators are an extremely rare commodity.

The only benevolent communist leader I ever heard of was Alexander Dubček, and we know how long that lasted.
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Hugh Williamsonposted 13 years ago
Thank you ! This is the single point I have been trying to make in all my posts from day one.

Not really. Your posts are an exercise in denial and anger. Period.

A sense of proportion and reality.
In those 35 years the US, the UK, France, and other western nations have committed atrocities and still are, have 'murdered' umpteen millions and are still in that business, have violently invaded other countries etc etc - so ranting on about the same or similar issues with China is hypocrisy at full volume.

Are phrases like "have 'murdered' umpteen millions" your idea of "a sense of proportion and reality?" Why don't you narrow that down a bit instead of making it up as you go along. If you think it's important then tell us how many, when and where.

As the Chinese often say when people get angry "go and do some self-reflection".

Good idea. Did you ever try it? Maybe some Falun Gong - oops - forget that.
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How many people do you think died due to the unneccesary US war in Vietnam ? Never mind those from the random carpet bombings of Laos and Cambodia and the millions of mines still littering up the place ? We discussed this in a previous thread and the conservative estimate from the time that the US officially entered the war (or were forced to disclose their secret participation would be more accurate) was in excess of 6 million people. This figure is from the 'official' admitted US government source. The real figure that encompasses the deaths caused by the southern dictator with full support of US armaments and money is far higher, and it does not include those deaths and maimings by the landmines that still goes on. And yet we consider that the similar number of Jews and various 'different' people was a 'holocaust'. This is not to diminish the horror, hatred, genocide, murder and outright lack of humanity of the holocaust - it highlights the hypocrisy of your statement.
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Hugh Williamsonposted 13 years ago
I would think that Viet Nam would be a rather touchy subject for you. You occupied them for 1000 years - that must be some kind of record. You don't seem to remember that in 1979 you launched an armed invasion to settle border differences. That's in the past, you say? Well so is the Vietnamese war.

You can't use Mao's Little Red Book as a history book.

When you posted under "China Man" you claimed to be American. Evidently things went badly for you here, but remember - Communism has been booted out in most countries and China will soon do the same.

Don't burn any bridges.
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  They'll have to take it up then, rather than just use it as a name for state capitalism.
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  When I posted as China man I did not make any claim to be American - you seem to make up crap as you go along. His profile clearly stated who he was, and who else he was in Hubpages.
  
  China man was extremely successful in puncturing the trite drivel that gets posted in these threads, pointing up hyposcrisy etc. I dumped that name because it attracted the attention of every moron and blabbering idiot around who wanted to have a go at China for their own bigoted and mindless reasons. Like me he never supported any Chinese policy or promoted any political or ideological Chinese stuff - just pointed out the infantile hypocrisy of many of the criticisms that scream and bleat about what China does, while their own culture does far worse.
  
  You accuse me constantly of things I have not said or supported - unless you can put up any post I have made to support what you say - I suggest you stop lying your face off in a playground level attempt to support the bigotted garbage you post and your lack of any reason or argument.
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Hugh Williamsonposted 13 years ago
Nice hateful rant.

As "China Man" you claimed to be an American in China teaching English. Good liars need good memories.

When you jump into the forum threads, as you did with this one, your first post is usually an inflammatory diatribe of accusations and vitriol. And you are outraged when someone takes issue with your angry propaganda posts.

Read back. You get what you give.
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So you can't find any post and you are making up the issue of me claiming to be an American - as I said you are a liar, in case you find this hard to read and want to try to twist this
  
  YOU ARE A LIAR
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  Diane Insideposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I remember in a post a long time ago would have to search awhile most likely but you did say you were teaching in china and I remember you saying you stood much taller than the chinese population, whether you said american I can't recall but you did say you were not chinese.
  
  I know not my arguement , but I thought I'd say I do remember you saying that somewhere.
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You are right! I think it was a thread about how our brain works, and I was describing how when I first arrived here from England to teach, that everyone seemed shorter than me, then after a year or so everyone 'appears' to be the same height as me. And to add to that, I am an inch under 6 foot, but when I visited back to the UK for the first time after 4 years I felt like a midget for the first few days with people towering over me. It is all about sub-concious perceptions it would seem
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, it's an invasion of aliens! I used to be tall at a shade under six feet but now I find myself craning to look up at 13 year-old kids who all seem to be at least seven feet tall.
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Hugh Williamsonposted 13 years ago
Busted.

I think we're through here.
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AnnCeeposted 13 years ago
Culture is the expression of a group of people learning to live in their particular environment. That's why cultures vary. They reflect the environment of the group and the group's response to it.

The most fascinating culture to me is the Tibetan. Those people were probably forced to live higher and higher in the mountains and to learn to survive in an extremely harsh and unforgiving climate that gives very little sustenance freely.

It is amazing how those people moved not only physically into a high place, they move spiritually into their minds to a high place.
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AnnCeeposted 13 years ago
If the question is Eastern (Muslim) culture versus Western (Christian) culture I'd say the proof was in the pudding. Which allows the growth of individuality? Which allows the growth of creativity? Which allows the increase in opportunity? Which allows a beggar to become wealthy? Which raises up love as the highest virtue? Which results in open, many windowed dwellings set like birthday cakes on open lawns with no walls around them?
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