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Politically Incorrect.

  1. Handicapped Chef profile image80
    Handicapped Chefposted 6 years ago

    Colorado Congressman (R) Rep. Doug Lamborn Calls Obama "Tar Baby!" The words has officially hit the fan! Post your comments.
    Congressman calls Obama a "tar baby"
    whitehouse.blogs.cnn.com
    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In the heat of the political debate over the debt ceiling last week, Rep. Doug Lamborn (R-CO) may have crossed the line when he said that being associated with President Obama would be similar to touching a “tar baby”...

    1. Randy Godwin profile image96
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Not surprised at all to hear one of the western cons has shown his "true colors."  lol

      1. Doug Hughes profile image60
        Doug Hughesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Racist comments by a political figure in public is not 'politically incorrect'. Its vulgar. Not surprisingly he's a Teabagger.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image96
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Gasp!  LOL!  lol

        2. K9keystrokes profile image93
          K9keystrokesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          big_smile big_smile LOL!!

    2. Ralph Deeds profile image65
      Ralph Deedsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      And Doug apparently is a Scum Bag.

    3. Sally's Trove profile image84
      Sally's Troveposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Hope you are having fun with all that's going on here.

    4. Ms Albert profile image62
      Ms Albertposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      definitely not surprised at that one

    5. profile image65
      logic,commonsenseposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Just reading your post, it says to me that the Congressman said associating with Obama would be like touching a tar baby.  Apparently you haven't read the story by Uncle Remus.  It has nothing to do with being black.  It is about touching something you shouldn't and getting caught up in it.  The more you struggle, the more you are caught.  The fact that tar is black is not relevant to the story or the moral of the story.
      You can find whatever you want in any comment.  But at least try to be honest about it.  It wasn't a racist comment.

      1. thebrucebeat profile image59
        thebrucebeatposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        You should read the thread before you post.  We have covered all that ground long ago.

  2. kateperez profile image72
    kateperezposted 6 years ago

    Ok, Uncle Remus has now become political!

    It makes sense, and not in a racist way.  What was the Tar Baby?  It was a baby made of tar.  When he was hit, the hitter stuck to the baby.  Every time he was hit, he drew the Brer Rabbit closer in.  He drew him in by being so sticky in his refusal to budge.

    Because the Tar Baby was not talking (Mr. Obama does not tell anyone what his wants on Budget, or Health Care Reform are) people keep getting more frustrated, thus hitting him again, each time the hitter is being drawn in, closer and closer, and the mess that he is in, because of the inaction of the Tar Baby, gets deeper and deeper.

    I hope no one is trying to make this about race, it is not.  It's about inaction by a creature (Tar Baby/Mr. Obama) that is causing frustration in others, yet the inaction continues.

    1. Doug Hughes profile image60
      Doug Hughesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      From Wikipedia

      "Term Although the term's provenance arose in African folklore (e.g., the gum doll Anansi created to trap Mmoatia, the dwarf), some Americans now consider "tar baby" to have negative connotations revolving around negative images of African-Americans. [2]

      The Oxford English Dictionary (but not the print version of its American counterpart) lists "tar baby" as a derogatory term for a black or a Maori."

      But despite the obvious truth, this was a racist crack, there are Teabaggers who will try to redefine the meaning.... so the Tea Party can use racism at the same time they deny it.

      1. aguasilver profile image81
        aguasilverposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Tar baby
        From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
        For other uses, see Tar baby (disambiguation).


        Br'er Rabbit and the Tar-Baby, drawing by E.W. Kemble from The Tar-Baby, by Joel Chandler Harris, 1904
        The Tar-Baby is a doll made of tar and turpentine used to entrap Br'er Rabbit in the second of the Uncle Remus stories. The more that Br'er Rabbit fights the Tar-Baby, the more entangled he becomes. In modern usage according to Random House, "tar baby" refers to any "sticky situation" that is only aggravated by additional contact. The expression tar baby is also used occasionally as a derogatory term for black people (in the U.S. it refers to African-Americans; in New Zealand it refers to Maoris), or among blacks as a term for a particularly dark-skinned person. As a result, some people suggest avoiding the use of the term in any context. [1] The tar baby is a trap that should be avoided.

        Hmmm two opinions on the same site!

        No sorry, you just forgot to quote the whole context!

        Silly me!

    2. Randy Godwin profile image96
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Oh, I see.  So if I referred to Sarah Palin as a "hoe" it would mean she was symbolic of a gardening tool used to remove unwanted weeds from the symbolic government garden.  Okay, I get it. lol

      1. TMMason profile image69
        TMMasonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        It is called context, Randy.

        ie;

        Sarah is out back in the garden hoe-ing.

        Sarah is down on the corner hoe-ing.

        See... simple.

        Sarah is a hoe.

        Sarah is using a hoe.

        See... simple.

        The PC extremism in this country is retarded.

        1. Ralph Deeds profile image65
          Ralph Deedsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          But Sarah is actually a Faux News Ho. It's all a matter of context, Joe.

          1. TMMason profile image69
            TMMasonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            That wasn't the issue Ralph.

            Context is.

            I know you are smart enough to understand that.

            1. Doug Hughes profile image60
              Doug Hughesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              Lets look at context. The Teabagger said,
              "Now, I don’t even want to have to be associated with him. It’s like touching a tar baby and you get it, you’re stuck, and you’re a part of the problem now and you can’t get away."

              The comment was pointed at a person, the President of the United States.

              Yet conservatives want to claim that unless the quote includes, "and I mean this in a racist way", that they can deny that racism is a factor.

              1. TMMason profile image69
                TMMasonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                That comment was toward associating with an individual in a certain situation... and the result of being trapped in that association... not the individual.

                "It’s like touching a tar baby and you get it, you’re stuck, and you’re a part of the problem now and you can’t get away."

                As in your trapped in an association with him and are seen now as part of the problem.

                Good try, Doug.

                You know I would gladly pay off the entire 14 trillion dollar debt, if they would give my country back its common sense as change.

                1. Doug Hughes profile image60
                  Doug Hughesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Your version of common sense got run out of Washington on a rail with Joe McCarthy and John Birch. The newest incarnation is the Teabaggers and they are becoming exposed, not only for casual racism, but hostility to programs (Medicare and Social Security) that are dear to groups that formed the base of the Tea Party.

                  1. TMMason profile image69
                    TMMasonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                    What is being exposed is the blatent bias of the left wing media in this country. Americans see the tea party for what they are... regular hard working folk who are not in the mood to be turned into a socialist regime and be drained of all their pay to support generational welfare and BS liberal policies.

                    The American Left is a joke, and real America, the silent majority, see them as what they are.

                    So enjoy your leftist socialist govt. while you have it, Doug.

                    It will all be over soon.

        2. Randy Godwin profile image96
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          I've asked you previously not to address me anymore, TM.  I made it clear I would do the same for you.

          1. TMMason profile image69
            TMMasonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            I will answer any comment I want.

            If you do not want to answer mine... fine.

            But you do not get to dictate which comments I speak to, or not.

            If you do not want replies to a comment... don't make comments in an open forum.

            Have a good day.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image96
              Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              When I originally asked you not to address me you agreed to do so.  Now you don't want to keep your word.  Harassing fellow members when they are opposed to it is prohibited.  But you've been warned twice, so carry on if it's worth it to you.

              1. TMMason profile image69
                TMMasonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                I am not harrassing you, and I have not harrassed you, Randy.

                So get over it.

                I responded to a comment in a topic... -rather politely I might add- you don't want to reply to my comments, then don't.

                Simple.

                1. Cagsil profile image60
                  Cagsilposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  And baiting is again forum rules. When you reply to someone's post, when you both agreed to not converse is baiting.

                  Simple to understand. So, grasp it already. roll

                  1. TMMason profile image69
                    TMMasonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                    I am not baiting, Cags.

                    And to be honest i didn't even remember talking about such... 

                    So again... you all get over it.

              2. aguasilver profile image81
                aguasilverposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                Public Forum?

                So if I ask Mark not to address me and he ignores me, is he in the wrong?

                I don't think so, even if he had agreed to ignore me, I cannot complain that he writes comments on a public forum.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image96
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes, he would be in the wrong if you both agreed not to converse further.  I also have this same agreement with other members here.  A Mormon priest and a homophobic fundamentalist.  I keep my side of the agreement and I expect them to do likewise.

                  But then, some people cannot keep their word and I suppose this is fine with you, Aquasilver.

                  1. aguasilver profile image81
                    aguasilverposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                    Personally I would love to never hear again from all the trolls who only offer repetitious rubbish, often in baby talk language or in words designed to look like a moron spoke them, but it IS a free forum, and when the kiddies get too silly, I simply leave them to play alone for a while, though I do leave the door open so that I can hear if they start getting too boisterous.

                    I guess it's best not to take these things too seriously, the whole forum stuff is just a laugh, nobody changes their opinion, no change occurs in the world because people blow hot air, it's just a laugh, that's all, just some harmless fun!

    3. wilderness profile image99
      wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      When I first read the OP that was my reaction, too.  A sticky president.  Only after reading some of the other posts did I find the racist angle.

      I guess I'll never make a politician - I'm just not into spinning, twisting meanings and slinging mud whenever possible.

    4. Ralph Deeds profile image65
      Ralph Deedsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      You are a mindreader, of course. As usual trying to defend the indefensible.

    5. Sally's Trove profile image84
      Sally's Troveposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I understand exactly what you are saying, but most people today have no idea how to analyze a literary work by placing the work within the context of history and psychology. (Correction: most people today have no idea how to analyze a literary work at all, because that kind of education went out the door with No Child Left Behind.)

      The fact is that Lamborn's comment is unquestionably racist. If he's educated enough to know the symbolism behind Tar Baby, then he's educated enough to know the racist fire his words would spark, and that would be very clever. But if he's not educated enough, then he's a stupid racist, not a clever one.

  3. TMMason profile image69
    TMMasonposted 6 years ago

    Link please.

    1. kerryg profile image89
      kerrygposted 6 years agoin reply to this
      1. TMMason profile image69
        TMMasonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Thank you, Kerry.

        Well I do not like the word and would not use it, the context of the conversation and its use clearly does not intonate any racist connotation.

        So to say he was being racist is untrue... to say he poorly chose his words would be more correct.

        If I am to understand correctly, I believe the tar baby was a character in a novel, and he was using it in its proper context. As in someone who when dealing with... sucks you in and traps you to them.

        Poor choice of words... yes.

        Racism... no.

        1. wilderness profile image99
          wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          How is this possible?  You and I in agreement?  The world will surely end! lol

          Well said.

  4. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 6 years ago

    Politically incorrect? Well, to begin with political correctness is wrong in the first place.

    However, the statement this particular jacka$$ made isn't political or even part of political correctness(or incorrectness).

    It was just flat out racist. roll

  5. BobbiRant profile image60
    BobbiRantposted 6 years ago

    Awwwwwwwwwwwww!  Come on!  I've been told,on HP 'America is soooooooo beyond that after all these years.  Are we?

  6. Randy Godwin profile image96
    Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago

    So the maker of the statement had no idea the term was derogatory? Remember the guy who referred to a reporter with a slang term for a monkey?  Something like "macawca" or something similar.  I wonder where he is today.  A simple mistake that time too. lol

    1. thebrucebeat profile image59
      thebrucebeatposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      He is running for the U.S. Senate in the state of Virginia, and has a good chance of winning.
      George Allen.
      Racism is not dead.

  7. Ron Montgomery profile image61
    Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago

    At least the congressman has now humbly apologized and asked for the President's forgiveness.  Obama has graciously accepted and agrees that terms like "Tar Baby" and "Nigger in the woodpile"  are perfectly acceptable as long as they are used in a subtle, not overtly racist way.

    his apology

    1. aguasilver profile image81
      aguasilverposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      That's the spirit! I love satire.... stops people being anally retentive over stupidities!

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image65
        Ralph Deedsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Are you sure it's satire?

        1. aguasilver profile image81
          aguasilverposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Well if it's not satire then I feel sorry for the guy having had a sad exposure to the world as seen by his social grouping, but hey, the worlds a big place and it takes all kinds.

          Personally, it never bothered me when folk called me 'honky' or 'right wing fascist bastard' in the 70's and 80's and being told that 'come the revolution you will be up against the wall' was only showing the depth of their idiocy.

          If 'the revolution' had ever happened, or looked likely to succeed, I would have morphed into the epitome of a Marxist Leninist troll and shot a few bloated capitalists myself.

          I was born just as poor as anyone else, and I'll take nothing with me in the coffin, but you can chose whether to have fun in between or get all riled up about how stupid folk are.

          I choose to enjoy the ride.

  8. TMMason profile image69
    TMMasonposted 6 years ago

    Gee would that be baiting?

  9. Ron Montgomery profile image61
    Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_fnsOmb0Fvog/SlMZOX1xKpI/AAAAAAAABhk/IRL_UV8i3z0/s400/green-acres.jpg

  10. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    I am sure great literary study of metaphors and great knowledge of the subject and context went into his statement...

    I also believe in the Tooth Fairy...

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
      Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      lol

      Don't forget piss on the poor, er...I mean trickle-down economics.

  11. TMMason profile image69
    TMMasonposted 6 years ago

    Wasn't he running against that, Aucaca, guy? (or his name is something like that?)

    Seems a simple mistake to me. Another BS manufactured incident via the mass media.

    1. thebrucebeat profile image59
      thebrucebeatposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      That's not even close, Mason.

      Allen was on the stump at a campaign stop in Virginia when he was running for the senate with an eye on a presidential run.  A young dark skinned Indian man was videoing it and was not a supporter, but rather a tracker for the competing Jim Webb campaign.  Allen turned on him and used an epithet, macaca, that was a well known racist slur

      http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=geo … ;FORM=LKVR

      I am amazed you have no memory of this.  It unwound his presidential hopes and lost him the campaign to Webb.  He is running for the same seat now as Webb has decided to leave the Senate.

      Not only do you have no memory of it, you make up some kind of story to excuse it from the pit of your imagination.

      At long last, sir, have you no shame?

  12. thebrucebeat profile image59
    thebrucebeatposted 6 years ago

    Not usually my place to be the voice of reason, but the Congressman's words, when taken in context, DO seem to be a reference to the old folk tale.  However, for him to be that out of touch with the inflammatory nature of the phrase is ignorance of an order I have a hard time understanding.  If he isn't an outright racist, he is an uncompromising moron.
    I see no third option.

  13. MelissaBarrett profile image61
    MelissaBarrettposted 6 years ago

    wow, a whole bunch of white people getting worked up because another white person said something that could be racist.

    Seriously, I brought my son in to ask him his opinion.  He's a rather well-read young black man.  I asked him what he thought and he said (and I quote) "Actually, its a rather apt comparison" I do so love him smile

    That's what I felt too, btw.  And I am about as liberal as you can get without becoming incapacitated by it.

    Are we also not allowed to say that the president "black listed" something or that he used "colorful" phrasing?  Dear lord help the press if he has to go to Nigeria.  They'll have to rename the country.

    1. thebrucebeat profile image59
      thebrucebeatposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Not remotely similar references that you use for comparison.  Those do not have a racially charged history, and "tar baby" for the vast majority of the country has only a racist connotation, as the literary reference has long gone out of popularity.

      He may not be a racist, but he is profoundly ignorant if he's not.

      1. TMMason profile image69
        TMMasonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        How about he, as many Americans are, is just sick of bowing to PC.

        1. thebrucebeat profile image59
          thebrucebeatposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          That's fine, but he does so at his own peril, as George Allen discovered.
          I for one hope he revs up his idiocy.
          You sure you're thinking this through, Mason?

          1. TMMason profile image69
            TMMasonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Have you read my replies?

            I stated clearly I would not have used the term. But I won't just jump to ascribing a racist motive to the use of an analogy by someone. As you yourself agreed to the fact that he used it in its proper context... so.

            Just that, bruce.

            I would think from here on he would think a lil more carefully about his choice of words. But many Americans are tired of not being able to speak plainly and in the words we want to use, for fear of offending some thin skinned sissy who wants to twist the intent of said vernacular into racism.

            1. thebrucebeat profile image59
              thebrucebeatposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              And others are sick of angry, vitriolic people who twist stories to excuse their use of charged and disrespectful language toward others.
              Why did you make up the story to protect George Allen?  Why not call him out and show that you have no tolerance toward that kind of behavior either?  Why defend him with a total bs story that whitewashes the truth?  If you did call him out,then we could take your stand seriously.  As it is, it comes across as a defense of those who wish to denigrate others verbally and have no cost for their actions.

              1. TMMason profile image69
                TMMasonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                All I stated was that the guy he was running against was named Aucaca... and Allen called him macawca... pretty simple mistake to make if you are not familiar with the name, or the word macawca.

                And that is not BS... there is an Aucaca in the senate? right now... that is who he ran against. is it not?

                Myself I did not know untill then that there was a word macawca that meant something derogatory toward blacks. As i am sure many others did not.

                So?...

                And your personal attacks are uncalled for bruce. i have not attacked you in the least here today... so get over yourself.

                1. thebrucebeat profile image59
                  thebrucebeatposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  SO HE WAS RUNNING AGAINST A GUY NAMED JIM WEBB!!!!!!!!!!

                  The rest you made up out of your pathetic need to give this guy an excuse for his pathetic behavior that cost him the election against JIM WEBB and any hope of a presidential run.

                  Did you not read my post of what happened, that you would repeat this garbage ten posts later? 

                  Get it together, Mason.

                  1. TMMason profile image69
                    TMMasonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                    No bruce... I really thought he ran against that Aucaca guy. I even asked if that was correct in each post... so whatever.

                    No I didn't read that post i missed it... shit happens.

                    So get over yourself.

              2. Reality Bytes profile image85
                Reality Bytesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                Whitewashes?  How racist!

            2. Jeff Berndt profile image87
              Jeff Berndtposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              "I stated clearly I would not have used the term. But I won't just jump to ascribing a racist motive to the use of an analogy by someone."

              There's no need to speculate about the motivations of the speaker. I don't know (and neither do the rest of us) if he's a racist or not. We can't see into his heart and know whether he is racist or not, and we don't need to. We don't know what he is. And that's not the conversation we ought to be having.

              We do know what he said, and what he said was:

              "Now, I don’t even want to have to be associated with him. It’s like touching a tar baby and you get it, you’re stuck, and you’re a part of the problem now and you can’t get away."

              Is that a racial crack? Thinking about it, I don't think so, but I can understand why people reach a different conclusion.

              Thinking further about it, there are more important things to spend my time on.

    2. Sally's Trove profile image84
      Sally's Troveposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Your son's comment says everything. I don't think the esteemed Congressman is as intelligent or well-informed as you and your son and Kate.

  14. Friendlyword profile image60
    Friendlywordposted 6 years ago

    Change the tar baby subject for a minute.  Does anybody remember what a real reporter does? Here's one that let's us know we are being held hostage by big oil and the puppets they put into congress to rape and rob and destroy this country as fast as they can.  I always knew what they were up to and I would try tell everybody in a Friendly manner.
    Now listen to the plain truth from a real reporter.  And be glad we have at least one still left in this country to tell us the truth!

    http://current.com/shows/countdown/vide … -debt-deal

    1. Ralph Deeds profile image65
      Ralph Deedsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks. I miss Olbermann on MSNBC.

  15. Ms Albert profile image62
    Ms Albertposted 6 years ago

    Well, although Uncle Remus did use the term tar baby to describe involving yourself in a situation that you have no business in, the term inherited a derogatory connotation, we all know that.  My issue is, if you want to make an Uncle Remus comparison, and you are in fact calling President Obama a tar baby, then that would in fact make you either the Br'er Rabbit or the Br'er Fox.  Now if you are the Br'er Fox, then you are just a conniving and manipulative person whose only interest is to benefit himself.  If you are the Br'er Rabbit, then you are a self-centered bully, who will forego the use of perception and intellect to solve a problem, and instead elect to use agression and viciousness to forcably coerce a solution.  In addition, tar baby is being used as I stated earlier to  describe a situation that a person shouldn't get involved in.  As a congressman, you need to get involved in the situation.  In all, Uncle Remus was a terrible way to parallel the current state of affairs.

    1. profile image65
      logic,commonsenseposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      It's just a freakin story.  There was no hidden meanings except for what people dream up.  It was a sweet ol guy telling stories to kids.  He was telling stories as it relates to life.  Pretty sure he did not intend to psychoanalyze the characters the way you have.
      I've read them lots of times cause they are fun to read.  They also make you think about right and wrong but in no case did I ever read anything about racism it them.

  16. aguasilver profile image81
    aguasilverposted 6 years ago

    Stunning rhetoric, Oh that folks would listen!

  17. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    I love how threads go on and on because someone has to get the last word in...

    1. Sally's Trove profile image84
      Sally's Troveposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Yup. Then it becomes all about them and nothing about the topic. smile

 
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