What do you think of this Bill to create Civillian force and new Draft

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  1. TMMason profile image67
    TMMasonposted 8 years ago

    It is all alright people, once this great nation is broke they can draft us all and waste our lives as they wasted our monies. From what I understand this Bill is set to emerge from committee and be brought back to the floor of both Houses of Congress.

    ---Congressman Charles Rangel, a Democrat (NY), introduced on 14 February 2006 a bill in the US Congress which requires:

    "all persons in the United States, including women, between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform a [two year] period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes."  ---


    http://www.examiner.com/city-buzz-in-lo … now-debate

    Full text of the Bill here....

    http://www.examiner.com/city-buzz-in-lo … now-debate

    I would think many would want to call their Reps and Senators and scream about killing this bill in committee.

    But!... I would be very interested in hearing what people think of the re-institution of the draft and this new Civillian force?

    I do not like it. I do not think the president, any president, needs his own army on America soil to control the populace.

    Bad idea in my estimation.

    1. Evan G Rogers profile image69
      Evan G Rogersposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I'm against the draft full-heartedly.

      But I kind of feel like we need to have it so that the wars will finally end.

      If you take away enough freedom in a short enough period of time (a draft law), then the public will finally get pissed off.

      I have mixed feelings about the law, but I know that if they ever came for me, I'd be waiting in my home with my rifle cocked and ready.

      1. Jeff Berndt profile image84
        Jeff Berndtposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        "But I kind of feel like we need to have [a draft] so that the wars will finally end."
        You're right. Someone once said that the USA didn't go to war. The US Marines went to war. The USA went to the mall. And that's why (most) people haven't come out against the various wars--there's no danger that their kids, their grandkids, their big brothers, or they themselves are going to have to go--unless those people happened to volunteer.

        It's hard to get people to act when the people who are being sent to die are strangers who volunteered. Why should I worry about strangers who volunteered to do this, people think. For most people, especially most people who thought invading Iraq was a good idea, If there was a chance that they would be drafted, they'd sing a different tune. It'd go something like this:

        "Sarge, I'm only 18, got a ruptured spleen, and I always carry a purse
        I got eyes like a bat and my feet are flat, and my asthma's gettin' worse
        Think of my career and my sweetheart dear and my poor old invalid aunt
        Besides i ain't no fool, I'm goin' to school and I'm workin' in a de-fense plant!"

        --the chorus of The Draft-Dodger's Rag

        1. Aficionada profile image81
          Aficionadaposted 8 years agoin reply to this


          (Army) Psychiatrist-Author M. Scott Peck, credited as one of the most influential people of the twentieth century, wrote that one of the main factors that ended America's involvement in Vietnam was the draft - for exactly the reason you mention.

          1. Jeff Berndt profile image84
            Jeff Berndtposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            And the repeal of the draft has led to the disengagement of many Americans from political life. When policy decisions no longer directly affect your life, many people can't be bothered to pay attention.

    2. paradigmsearch profile image88
      paradigmsearchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I am over 42 and am now returning to my nap. smile

      1. profile image0
        Sherlock221bposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Don't say that, 42 is stll in the spring of youth, and certainly not an age when a nap is needed.

        1. paradigmsearch profile image88
          paradigmsearchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Come to think of it, if all the whippersnappers get drafted, companies will be forced to hire the over-40 crowd. smile

  2. profile image0
    Sherlock221bposted 8 years ago

    The idea of "civilian service" is a good one.  It would bring together different people in a common aim and would be to the benefit of society.  There aren't too many shared experiences in modern society, and this would provide one, and hopefully would create a deeper appreciation of other people.

  3. TMMason profile image67
    TMMasonposted 8 years ago

    I wonder if the "Civilian" force is exempt from the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878?

    1. Aficionada profile image81
      Aficionadaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      When this same subject was discussed in a different thread, that was the one-and-only positive feature of the civilian force that was mentioned. (At least, the only one I saw.) But, like everything I have ever seen or heard from any government, something that sounds like a good idea in one respect can turn out terribly, when it is in the wrong hands.

  4. stclairjack profile image80
    stclairjackposted 8 years ago

    2006?

    1. TMMason profile image67
      TMMasonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Yes they put it in committee and it is about to emerge, from what I understand. I am under the impression Rengal and some others are bringing it back to the floor.

      So yes, 2006.

      I searched everywhere for a link about it being re-raised again... but the media isn't talking. One of the pols spouted something about it the other day on C-SPAN and it peaked my interest again.

      1. Aficionada profile image81
        Aficionadaposted 8 years agoin reply to this


        I wrote a Hub about the correct spelling and usage of peek, peak, and pique.

        1. TMMason profile image67
          TMMasonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          You have nothing better to do than point out a misspelled word in my comment today, Afi?

          Are you that bored?

          Besides man... I am an American... and we are known world-wide for butchering the English language in ever new ways.

          I am upholding a great time honored tradition.

          1. Aficionada profile image81
            Aficionadaposted 8 years agoin reply to this



            Haha big_smile

            I am an American too, but I don't take pride in the particular tradition you mention.

            So, it seems maybe you are too busy to notice that I really did have better things to do than point out a misspelled word.  Three posts in a row, and that's the only one you saw?

            Great post. lol

            But, in fact, I really am too busy to continue this, so TTFN.  big_smile

  5. Reality Bytes profile image84
    Reality Bytesposted 8 years ago

    Slavery!

    1. Paul Wingert profile image68
      Paul Wingertposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      What is the purpose of extra manpower in the army when it's been downgrading in the last decade? Makes zero sense.

  6. SpanStar profile image61
    SpanStarposted 8 years ago

    I was drafted for the Vietnam war.  There is a lot wrong with war and when I was one of the lucky one to leave Nam I felt we should do all we can to keep people from having to face this horror BUT over the years I have listened to some Americans complain, critize, put down others to the point where I say we have become to soft, we act like we have all the answers, we never stop telling others where they are wrong, things has to always be our way- maybe we should have the draft again and that way when soldiers are coming over that wire and bullets hitting all around you then you can show us just how smart you really are.

    1. Ralph Deeds profile image63
      Ralph Deedsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Not a bad idea. It would discourage unnecessary, foolish, costly wars and would put some young people to work on useful projects.

      1. SpanStar profile image61
        SpanStarposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I agree with you Ralph Deeds

        1. Moderndayslave profile image59
          Moderndayslaveposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Maybe it should be a "must" for political office.

          1. SpanStar profile image61
            SpanStarposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Sounds good to me

          2. Ralph Deeds profile image63
            Ralph Deedsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Good idea!

  7. Evan G Rogers profile image69
    Evan G Rogersposted 8 years ago

    instead of this bill, let's just end the wars.

    Sound good everyone?

    Cool! Vote for Ron Paul!

 
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