What do you think of this Bill to create Civillian force and new Draft

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   TMMasonposted 13 years ago

   It is all alright people, once this great nation is broke they can draft us all and waste our lives as they wasted our monies. From what I understand this Bill is set to emerge from committee and be brought back to the floor of both Houses of Congress.
   
   ---Congressman Charles Rangel, a Democrat (NY), introduced on 14 February 2006 a bill in the US Congress which requires:
   
   "all persons in the United States, including women, between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform a [two year] period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes."  ---
   
   
   http://www.examiner.com/city-buzz-in-lo … now-debate
   
   Full text of the Bill here....
   
   http://www.examiner.com/city-buzz-in-lo … now-debate
   
   I would think many would want to call their Reps and Senators and scream about killing this bill in committee.
   
   But!... I would be very interested in hearing what people think of the re-institution of the draft and this new Civillian force?
   
   I do not like it. I do not think the president, any president, needs his own army on America soil to control the populace.
   
   Bad idea in my estimation.

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      Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I'm against the draft full-heartedly.
      
      But I kind of feel like we need to have it so that the wars will finally end.
      
      If you take away enough freedom in a short enough period of time (a draft law), then the public will finally get pissed off.
      
      I have mixed feelings about the law, but I know that if they ever came for me, I'd be waiting in my home with my rifle cocked and ready.

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         Jeff Berndtposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         "But I kind of feel like we need to have [a draft] so that the wars will finally end."
         You're right. Someone once said that the USA didn't go to war. The US Marines went to war. The USA went to the mall. And that's why (most) people haven't come out against the various wars--there's no danger that their kids, their grandkids, their big brothers, or they themselves are going to have to go--unless those people happened to volunteer.
         
         It's hard to get people to act when the people who are being sent to die are strangers who volunteered. Why should I worry about strangers who volunteered to do this, people think. For most people, especially most people who thought invading Iraq was a good idea, If there was a chance that they would be drafted, they'd sing a different tune. It'd go something like this:
         
         "Sarge, I'm only 18, got a ruptured spleen, and I always carry a purse
         I got eyes like a bat and my feet are flat, and my asthma's gettin' worse
         Think of my career and my sweetheart dear and my poor old invalid aunt
         Besides i ain't no fool, I'm goin' to school and I'm workin' in a de-fense plant!"
         
         --the chorus of The Draft-Dodger's Rag

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            Aficionadaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            
            (Army) Psychiatrist-Author M. Scott Peck, credited as one of the most influential people of the twentieth century, wrote that one of the main factors that ended America's involvement in Vietnam was the draft - for exactly the reason you mention.

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               Jeff Berndtposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               And the repeal of the draft has led to the disengagement of many Americans from political life. When policy decisions no longer directly affect your life, many people can't be bothered to pay attention.

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      paradigmsearchposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I am over 42 and am now returning to my nap.

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         Sherlock221bposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Don't say that, 42 is stll in the spring of youth, and certainly not an age when a nap is needed.

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            paradigmsearchposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Come to think of it, if all the whippersnappers get drafted, companies will be forced to hire the over-40 crowd.

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   Sherlock221bposted 13 years ago

   The idea of "civilian service" is a good one.  It would bring together different people in a common aim and would be to the benefit of society.  There aren't too many shared experiences in modern society, and this would provide one, and hopefully would create a deeper appreciation of other people.

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   TMMasonposted 13 years ago

   I wonder if the "Civilian" force is exempt from the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878?

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      Aficionadaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      When this same subject was discussed in a different thread, that was the one-and-only positive feature of the civilian force that was mentioned. (At least, the only one I saw.) But, like everything I have ever seen or heard from any government, something that sounds like a good idea in one respect can turn out terribly, when it is in the wrong hands.

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   stclairjackposted 13 years ago

   2006?

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      TMMasonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yes they put it in committee and it is about to emerge, from what I understand. I am under the impression Rengal and some others are bringing it back to the floor.
      
      So yes, 2006.
      
      I searched everywhere for a link about it being re-raised again... but the media isn't talking. One of the pols spouted something about it the other day on C-SPAN and it peaked my interest again.

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         Aficionadaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         
         I wrote a Hub about the correct spelling and usage of peek, peak, and pique.

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            TMMasonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            You have nothing better to do than point out a misspelled word in my comment today, Afi?
            
            Are you that bored?
            
            Besides man... I am an American... and we are known world-wide for butchering the English language in ever new ways.
            
            I am upholding a great time honored tradition.

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               Aficionadaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               
               
               Haha
               
               I am an American too, but I don't take pride in the particular tradition you mention.
               
               So, it seems maybe you are too busy to notice that I really did have better things to do than point out a misspelled word.  Three posts in a row, and that's the only one you saw?
               
               Great post.
               
               But, in fact, I really am too busy to continue this, so TTFN. 

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   Reality Bytesposted 13 years ago

   Slavery!

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      Paul Wingertposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      What is the purpose of extra manpower in the army when it's been downgrading in the last decade? Makes zero sense.

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   SpanStarposted 13 years ago

   I was drafted for the Vietnam war.  There is a lot wrong with war and when I was one of the lucky one to leave Nam I felt we should do all we can to keep people from having to face this horror BUT over the years I have listened to some Americans complain, critize, put down others to the point where I say we have become to soft, we act like we have all the answers, we never stop telling others where they are wrong, things has to always be our way- maybe we should have the draft again and that way when soldiers are coming over that wire and bullets hitting all around you then you can show us just how smart you really are.

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      Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Not a bad idea. It would discourage unnecessary, foolish, costly wars and would put some young people to work on useful projects.

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         SpanStarposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I agree with you Ralph Deeds

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            Moderndayslaveposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Maybe it should be a "must" for political office.

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               SpanStarposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Sounds good to me

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               Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Good idea!

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   Evan G Rogersposted 13 years ago

   instead of this bill, let's just end the wars.
   
   Sound good everyone?
   
   Cool! Vote for Ron Paul!

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