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   American Viewposted 11 years ago

   How many of you have had your hubs censored or been not allowed to post on forums despite not violating the TOS?

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      Jelly Bean 1posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      you mean here at the hub? I just joined, what was censored here? Ive been censored by unfair admin at other boards before, had to start my own to keep that from happening. <snipped>

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         paradigmsearchposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Here's your new avatar.
         
         

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      Doug Hughesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Let's look at some quotes of yours. This may be why you got banned. I reported it.
      
      "The bill H.R. 4995 was from the 110th congress by Eric Cantor. And the bill does not lower the Corperate tax BY 25% it TAKES IT DOWN TO 25% Huge difference. Guess it was a typo, NOT. You changed the words. " (bold my edit)
      
      Here's my response, which is about what I told HP.
      
      "Doug Hughes posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this
      
      Lets get something straight. I quoted a source and linked to that source. However, I am accused of changing the quote. Link to the original. I changed NOTHING! The accusation is a personal attack on my integrity as it suggests a deliberate act on my part to deceive. I can not object strenuously enough."
      
      In my post, I provided a link to the original. There was no legitimate reason to accuse me of fraud. There was an illegitimate reason.
      
      In the post, 'A lie is a lie', I caught someone - you guess who - in a 'misquote'. The false quote reversed the actual meaning and only after days of evasion was the actual quote provided, which you can compare to the original and draw your own conclusions.
      
      I have great respect for different points of view. That doesn't extend to respecting people who deliberately distort the truth. I'm not accusing anyone, but if the shoe fits....

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         American Viewposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Newsflash!. I knew it was you, it was very obvious.
         
         Why do you not show the truth for once. You still are making the same claims that you did then. Well here it goes and if I am sent to the sin bin again, so be it But I am telling the truth. Here is the link for all to see. This is the link YOU supplied
         
         http://crooksandliars.com/2008/01/17/mi … -two-jobs/
         
         Here is what you posted in connection with this link you supplied:
         
         Doug Hughesposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this
         I do agree - these are the kind of Bachmann issues we should be discussing..
         
         "TODAY, Rep. Eric Cantor (VA), the chief deputy Republican whip in the House, unveiled his proposal to stimulate the economy. His legislation -the so-called Middle Class Job Protection Act -does nothing for the middle class.
         
         Here was part of my response:
         
         “Did you look at the date on your source……. January 16, 2008 01:01 PM Unreal. And you try to pass this off as today”
         
         You still in this thread are denying you posted a link about a news conference that occurred 3 years earlier, yet you posted it with the words TODAY!!! You tried to pass it off as having occurred that day but it happened 3 years earlier. Anyone here can look it up since I posted the link here but you did not. Wonder why?
         
         You also claimed:
         
         “Instead, it reduces the corporate tax rate by 25 percent.”
         
         You said BY 25%. So I posted the actual bill showing it said TO 25%. BY and TO, big difference. Here it is again so everyone can see what it says:
         
         Congressional Research Service Summary
         
         The following summary was written by the Congressional Research Service, a well-respected nonpartisan arm of the Library of Congress. GovTrack did not write and has no control over these summaries.
         
         1/16/2008--Introduced.
         
         Middle Class Jobs Protection Act of 2008 - Amends the Internal Revenue Code to: (1) REDUCE THE MAXIMUM CORPORATE INCOME TAX RATE TO 25%; (2) increase the expensing allowance for depreciable business assets to $250,000 in 2008 and 2009; (3) increase to 50% the current year bonus depreciation allowance for certain property placed in service in 2008 and 2009; and (4) allow additional carrybacks for certain net operating losses and for excess business and foreign tax credit amounts arising in 2008 and 2009.
         
         To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to reduce corporate marginal income tax rates, and for other purposes.
         Overview
         Sponsor: Rep. Eric Cantor [R-VA7]show cosponsors (50)
         David Weldon [R-FL15]
         Addison Wilson [R-SC2]
         
         So At this point I did not care about not posting for 3 days, I do not live on these boards. I have other things to do. I was asking for I had 2 hubs unpublished, neither one violated their TOS. And I noticed other hubs I went back to were gone. When I emailed those authors, they all told me they were unpublished. I move both of mine to another site that is stricter than here, and they are still published. SO I was curious how often it happened. It had nothing to do with you. But since you wanted to attack me again and call me a liar(maybe I should report you, but I will not) I had to show it was not me who was not honest.

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         uncorrectedvisionposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         "I have great respect for different points of view."  Just typing that should be a TOS violation for some.
         
         As you typed that did your sinister under your breathe laughter frighten your family or Did you actually split a side while gaffawing out loud??
         
         Even more ironic, that sentence found its way into a reply about distortion and falsehood.
         
         Pardon me.   I was laughing again.

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            American Viewposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Ironic, isnt it. I get sent to the sin bin for 3 days for pointing out his inaccuracies. Now he comes here, admits he did it, and tries to pass it off again!! Unreal.

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               Doug Hughesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               If you got banned because of my report, HP agreed with me on this point - which you are trying to distort.
               
               You can NOT accuse a hubber of a lie (changing a quote) unless they did it. I showed that you did it, which is why my post stayed up. Your accusation was a transparent lie. Which is why you got banned.
               
               This goes to a larger issue. Some people don't see any moral obligation to factual truth. Only their ideology. When I am wrong, I admit it and correct it. Never have I deliberately written or repeated a lie, even if it favors my position.
               
               That's the difference between us.

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                  PrettyPantherposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Hey Doug, just want you to know I wasn't trying to say he was unfairly banned.  I haven't bothered to figure it out one way or another.
                  
                  Some people whine when they are banned and others don't. HP gets to decide because it's their website.  You'd think the libertarian/conservative lovers of corporate freedom would be fine with that.
                  
                  

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                     American Viewposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Pretty,
                     
                     I was quite fine with the real reason I got sent to the sin bin. It was for something I did wrong. But I have a problem with someone trying to say differently.
                     
                     I believe hubpages needs to police the pages here, I event think they need to do more. The problem as I see it is it appears that there are many hubs and threads that violate the TOS and nothing happens. I also see a problem with peolpe debating or not liking a view of a hub and then they report it. The people who make the decision on the report are fellow hubbers. There needs to be a neutrality to the system that I am not sure exists. So I was curious to see the reaction to this issue and what happens, I get attacked. I have recieved more emails than posts. What does that say? Was it because they were afraid to get suspended if they wrote what they emailed?
                     I am not saying Hubpages is a bad place, for if it was I would not be here. I am suggesting there can be improvements.

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                     Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     It's happened to me three or four times, mostly as a result of losing my temper at trolls, most of whom now have disappeared.

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                        Doug Hughesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Its happens to me more times than I can count. You, me, Ron.. probably a bunch more liberals.
                        
                        But we don't whine about being persecuted..

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                           American Viewposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Funny you claim only liberals get persecuted. Really? Ever wonder why you might get "persecuted", or is it just someone disagrees with you so you claim persecution.  A disagreement is not "persecution"
                           
                           Ask yourself this. Ralph is a level 6 commentator, I am a level 4 in just a few months. you are here for 18 months and you are not even a level 1. I do believe that says something about your posts on the threads

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                           Ron Montgomeryposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           You call me a liberal?
                           
                           Personal attack

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                        American Viewposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Ralph,
                        
                        I think we can all agree that we all have done that. It starts out civil but someone goes to far and we get aggrivated.

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                  American Viewposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  First, lets clear an issue. I was not tossed this response, it was for another you turned me in for, and it was for something I did that was in violation of the TOS. I posted a link to one of my hubs. I did not know at the time that was not allowed for I seen others do it. So you were once  more incorrect
                  
                  .And by the way, my post is still up too, so you implied my post was taken down while yours remained. But you copied some of it and included it in your earlier response. So you knew it was still up. Interesting
                  
                  "Some people don't see any moral obligation to factual truth. Only their ideology. When I am wrong, I admit it and correct it. Never have I deliberately written or repeated a lie, even if it favors my position"
                  
                  Yes you do, and you did it here again. Once More, you are trying deflect the issue from what really happened. Anyone here can read the link, read the law and see there is a change. They can see you posted an article 3 years old and tried to pass it off as if it just happend. You are the last person that should be talking about morales. Funny you say you cannot accuse a hubber of a lie, when you have accused others several times, you have even resorted to calling people names. You have called me a hound, a mutt and more. I guess you will deny that too. But hear is your actual quote
                  
                  "My comment was intended for that nose-picking hound dog "
                  
                  And another
                  
                  Doug Hughesposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this
                  
                  Lets get this straight. The section of the quote that I found important is the section I highlighted. So the point was not that Canter is a whore for big business.
                  
                  It was the reaction by the dingbat Bachmann which I highlighted.
                  
                  At no time did I 'try to pass this off as today'.. which that hound dog accused me of."
                  
                  Your reply has 2 points First you attacked me, I did not attack you nor did I call you names. This was not the first time you have attacked me or others. THe second and to the point of it all. In order to try and deflect away from being caught, you claimed it was a quote from " the dindbat Bachmann"(do you have a problem with name calling?) Sorry, I do not see Bachmanns name in the "highlight" you posted. Show me where it says Bachmann here
                  
                  "TODAY, Rep. Eric Cantor (VA), the chief deputy Republican whip in the House, unveiled his proposal to stimulate the economy. His legislation -the so-called Middle Class Job Protection Act -does nothing for the middle class."
                  
                  So you attacked me, call me a liar before and here again now when we can all see what is really going on. Do not bother to try and come up with another deflection. You posted it, it was not accurate, you got upset because it was shown to not be accurate, resorted to more personal attacks, then tried to make me look bad here by reposting only part of what happened in an effort to make it look like it was me. But I responded with all the facts and once again everyone can see them.

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                  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  A bit more truth in Forum comments would be helpful.

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                     American Viewposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     It sure would. More truth, less twisting. Sounds like a future beer commercial

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      MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Nope.  It must be just you that gets punished for not doing anything wrong.  They are out to get you.

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   psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago

   I suspect you will find you did something against tos for hubpages or Adsense. They don't just block content at random

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      American Viewposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I have seen several hubs removed, including 2 of mine, that were not in violation. I had someone useing very hateful and threaten words in one of my threads. It was not directed at me, but I reported that person. Nothing happened and it continues today. I have seen many self promotions and nothing ever happens. But I had in one thread a debate with someone who was outright giving false infomation. I showed where they were wrong and cited goerment sources. He kept it up, name called me. All I said was to "stop whining" and was not allowed to post for 3 days for hate speech. I never knew"whining" was hate speech before. I know this for I emails as to why I could not post and they email me back and told me.  So I was curious if it happens to others. It seems to.

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         Jelly Bean 1posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         sometimes when they come upon posts where there is a problem, everyone gets censored with time off...the other person may have got a time off as well. to remove some posts and not the responding posts looks silly

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            American Viewposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            The ones I am talking about never got time off. They live on these threads. It would be obvious if they were suddenly not there

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         Aficionadaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         The "time out" (or banning, as it's called) from forums is usually a different issue from the removal or unpublishing of Hubs.  The reasons may overlap, but there are many different reasons why a Hub might be unpublished - many more than the reasons why a person would be barred from the forums for a few days, from what I understand.

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            American Viewposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Very true. But some of it makes no sense. I had one unpublished. When I showed them the reason they stated was not correct, I was told well we are not going to republish it. They agreed I was right, but they still refused to publish it. I posted it on another host site that is very strict. Ans there was no problem there.
            I can understand some of the reasons, we co not want the same hubs from everyone. But to stop a point of view is another thing all together

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   kmackey32posted 11 years ago

   I have never had any of that happen....Im such a good girl..

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      kmackey32posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Oh wait a minute, yes I have I had said the word pu**y to many times but I was talking about cats....

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         American Viewposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         LOL becareful, you might get in trouble now. LOL

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            kmackey32posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I did, but I fixed it...

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   psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago

   So what was the official reason giving for unpublishing the hubs, and why are you so sure it is in error? Because last time I thought an unpublish was in error I emailed the staff to point this out, and they reinstated the hub.

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      American Viewposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I showed a law to back my points. They said it was a copyright issue and used Wikipedia as a source for their reason. I went to it and read it Wikipedia clearly showed reposting from a Government site was not a copyright or a duplicate issue. Now we are not talking about a large law, or a lot of content. It was 2 sentences. They would not republish. So I was curious if it happened a lot.

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         MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         although it might not be a copyright issue doesn't mean it isn't a duplicate issue.
         
         Even if it is legal to copy a source doesn't mean that it isn't still copied.
         
         Hubpages does not want any material copied from any source.  Ever.  Even if it is your writing.  Even if it public domain. 
         
         Duplicate content violates the TOS.  Therefore your hubs violated TOS.  Not to hurt your feelings, but you are not important enough for the HP staff to deliberately seek you out to harass you.  None of us here really are.  Hubpages is a big site and they have lots and lots of things to do.
         
         As far as banning you from the forums, forum rules state:
         
         Making Personal Attacks: debate and disagreements on points of substance are all right, but personal attacks, petty bickering, and thread hijacking will be dealt with swiftly.
         
         Do you honestly believe you haven't engaged in personal attacks or petty bickering?  Cause I would probably view at least 4 of your posts in this thread as at least petty bickering and quite possibly an accusation of the staff of unfair and impartial behavior specifically addressed at you.

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            American Viewposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Melisa.
            
            I can say I have not personaly attacked or name called anyone on HP. Petty bickering, I have to agree with that one. SOmetimes you do not realize you were doing that when you try to defend yourself from improper posts or attacks upon yourself. THen when you reflect on the postings, you realize, why did I waste my time lowering myself to their level.
            
            THanks for the Input, I appreciate it

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            American Viewposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Mellisa,
            
            UPDATE: I took your advise and changed the hub. used a link to the law and removed it. IT was unpublished again. I can show you the email It clearly states because there are 2 words together that were on a site they reference It was duplicate hub. The words were "including the" That is the reason given. Tell me what you think.

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         psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Okay so you had a difference in opinion whether it is against ToS or not.
         
         That is not them doing it 'for no reason'.  You just don't happen to agree with their reason.
         
         These things happen [shrug].  Just link to the law and paraphrase it and it will be republished.

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            American Viewposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Psyche
            
            Thanks for your input and idea. You are right, sometimes they do. I was curious as how often.

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   PrettyPantherposted 11 years ago

   People get banned.  Sometimes it's not fair.  Waaaaahhh.
   
   

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      American Viewposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Pretty,
      
      It's not an issue of fair or not fair. Sometimes people do get banned by mistake, nothing is perfect. I guess I am looking for consistancy in their actions.

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      Ron Montgomeryposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Your post displays a lack of sensitivity to the suffering endured by the persecuted martyrs of this community.  It is a type of personal attack.  Consider yourself reported.

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         American Viewposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Feel free to Ron, that is your choice. Wonder if you reported those who attacked you inprior threads when I stuck up for you HMMMM.
         
         Oh did you report yourslf for your responces to them? HMMM again.

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            Ron Montgomeryposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I have no idea what you are babbling about.  I'm going to report you just in case you meant it as a personal attack.

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         PrettyPantherposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         You know me so well, Ron.  Thank you for reporting me.  I must be stopped.
         
         

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            American Viewposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Pretty,
            
            LMAO

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      uncorrectedvisionposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Shouldn't there be a vast taxpayer funded program administered by an equally vast number of bureaucrats enforcing some political party and their emotionally crippled voters notion of fairness or would that just get in the way freedom.
      
      Oops we weren't talking about actual things that actually matter we were talking about Hubpages where unfairness is perfectly acceptable and natural but must be driven out of every other corner of life regardless of the cost in taxpayer money, citizen's livelihood, employment and lives.
      
      You are just mean - everything should be fair and would be if you conservatives didn't mess everything up and did the right thing by blindly following and supporting President Barrack Holy Obama.  If it wasn't for you mean conservatives everything would be nice and fair and everyone could have a pony and ice cream.

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         Doug Hughesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I have no idea what you are babbling about. But you have a right to be incoherent.

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            uncorrectedvisionposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Not directed to you.

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               psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               You mistook this for a one-to-one chat line?

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                  uncorrectedvisionposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  True enough.  Point taken.

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            PrettyPantherposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            He's just playing that silly game of falsely attributing ideas to liberals that are so ridiculous that he can easily argue against them.  Never mind that it's a load of bull hockey (to quote my southern-born blue-collar dad who can spot an intellectual phony a mile away).

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               American Viewposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Nice to see you were not stoped

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                  PrettyPantherposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Why, thank you, AV.  I've been banned before, but never for joking with Ron.  Ron knows I have a crush on him so he wouldn't really report me. 
                  
                  Right, Ron, honey?
                  
                  

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