I got my water bill for the year the other day....$118.78. For the entire year.
That is less than one month of basic cable and internet. One month.
Could it be because the head of Comcast makes so much money? That's what business is all about: making money.
And people actually want business to take over the running of this country! If they provided my water, I would be forced to do without. We will be crushed if business gets its grip on the gvt.
Because with business, inevitably comes the banksters. And inevitablly comes profit over people. And inevitably comes a third world.
Business + Gvt....wonderful!
Business - Gvt....rip off city!
Cable is a privileged utility, regulated by the state. It has no competition
Competition drives down prices, and the more companies that compete, the lower the prices. That's why we can now buy a 35" HD TV for less than $300.
Water is a commodity, regulated by my town....why don't they jack up the price for a huge profit, like cable does?
What's stopping them?
Will, what is Dish and Direct, for 2 examples, if not competition for cable? Greg
LMC, it sounds like you are complaining because the water company doesn't charge you more. Greg
No, I'm pointing out how much I get for so little $$ with gvt, versus how much it costs for so little with business.
My cable bill just went up again. I get basic cable which went from $9. to now $15. Doesn't sound like much but I use it for Internet, too. They give me 8 channels which show the same programs over and over, sometimes on two different channels. But I have to have something. It's still a ripoff. Everytime they raise the price, they say they added technology but I'm not using any of it with basic cable and non HD tv.
My water bill is $23.00 a month, but five miles from my house the Town of Oak Island has a minimum of $80.00 a month!! It is just crazy how on town differs from another.
In England, some of us have water meters. United utilities charge me on average about twenty pounds per month, that's when I'm careful. Once privatised, water bills become scandalous!
Maybe you should grocery shop at the Big Gov Grocery, my water bill is $90 a month and it too is from my local municipality, could it be your being subsidized by those of us who pay a higher rate?
We tried to get satellite TV but were told that a huge tree in front of our house would interfere with our reception.
I put a bucket out side yesterday and caught a bunch of cable television. Who needs cable when it is naturally falling from the sky.
Uh huh...guess you don't have children.
Internet is a must. For school, that is.
Basic cable sux...that should be free!
I get a years worth of water for less than a months Comcast. My my, that gubmint sure do take too much of my money. MY MONEY. M Y M O N E Y.
Really uncorrectedvision...hope that bucke cable was good broadcasting! lmao!
I like your point about cable "falling from the sky".
While I despise the way we are treated, cable companies do have to put money into the infrastructure, negotiate with broadcasters and film studios, and cover all the costs of a huge, somewhat labor intensive business.
AT$T is doing nothing to improve, while Comcast has tried to get better. Technology is expensive, not just for the equipment, but for the rest of it.
I thing what we should petition for a la carte programming and for clean billing to be put into law!
Wasn't it in Bolivia that the people felt stripped out of their "material inheritance and natural resources" when French private companies thought that they could come and take over the distribution? They rioted and ousted them! It is a lesson for us!
LMC - Government provides and subsidizes the water supply, thus it is cheaper.
Regarding your Comcast - if you're upset about it, then you can easily cancel your services. You could even sign with a competitor.
Heck, you could even start your own company.
The fact that you don't do any of these things merely shows you agree that the service is worth the price to you.
Often there is no real competition.
Google may change that.. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Internet access become a public utility eventually. We all need it and we all benefit from it. It is close to a necessity already.
IF there is no real competition, then start your own competition.
The government hasn't made THAT illegal, yet. Although, it does put up heavy "start-up fines".
Not a single person needs the internet. T'is a fact that will forever be lost on the mind of a liberal. When the internet becomes a public utility, then it will end up being of poor preservation, poor delivery, and it will be heavily regulated.
It's completely ironic to claim that you are against SOPA & PIPA, yet you want it to be a public utility.
Wrong. Kids need it for school...homework is posted on it, grades are there now, and they have to type eveything...nothing is hand-written anymore. If you have kids in school, it is a neccessity. Unless you can go to the library every day, and try to do your home-work while dealing with 30 minute sessions.
And I do believe it was Gates who put the kibosh on competition...was it not? Intel?
Seriously, Evan, you know I love you but this is a bit over the top even for you.
That's like saying no one really needs a phone. Yes, in theory, we don't need either for survival, but really? In this day and age, no internet? Why don't we go back to changing the ribbons on our typewriters with gloves on and cranking the car's engine from the front of the car with a wind up handle? Better yet, how about using horses for transportation, pony express for mail delivery, and the general store to make a phone call. That's if the recipient town has a general store with a phone.
I can agree that I don't like all this dependence on technology and have fought it for a long time. Now I have to play catch-up. And as you can see, part of my life is consumed with this utterly soul sucking forum crap.
Nothing personal to anyone. Where's that poetry forum.
It's a fact that some Conservatives never see the need for anything until long after all the intelligent people have realized how important it really is.
Municipal water? Dig a well.
Public roads? Let some company build them and charge tolls.
Police force? Buy a gun.
And so on..
Whether you understand it or not, Internet access is becoming a necessity. It already is for most businesses and for many individuals.
Ayup. We could go on and on. That type of conservative is always on the wrong side of every argument about progress that has ever been made.
Look, I'm not one to say all conservative thought is wrong. Slow and cautious is sometimes exactly the right course. But the knee jerk refusal to consider any new idea that is so prevalent really gets wearing after a while..
I understand what the major difference between us is. You see government as faceless others controlling your life and I see it as all of us reaching consensus.
No doubt this is true for you - your opinions are way out of the mainstream, so of course you feel that others are "controlling" your life. I have some "out there" positions myself, but for the most part, I'm in sync with what most recognize as common sense. I therefore see government as helpful whereas you see it as your enemy.
If we ever do turn the Internet into a public utility, it will be because people want to do it. They may do it at a local level first - our town created a public gas and electric company years ago for exactly that reason. That utility benefits all of us and we pay lower rates than towns that have to deal with the for-profit companies.
That's why we will eventually have public Internet. We'll gather together and realize that we'd all be better off to invest the money to do that. It has nothing to do with SOPA or anything else.
Business already owns the government. Who do you think pays all the lobbyists and in turn buys off all the legislators as well as the President? Do you think the nearly billion dollars that Obama raised last election and the over billion dollars he will raise this time came from the little people such as yourself? The large part of it came from....omg....businesses and the people that run or own them.
Not true....his biggest donors were Wall Street, and they have now run to Romney.
He had much support from small donors....and he does now as well.
And as far as business owning gvt...they sure got a boost with Citizens United.
Now who is for and against that?
As long as money rules, the whole thing is tainted. And a community organizer who actually tried to help people is looking pretty good right now, in the face of a candidate who reps the monied class.
Because you asked, here is a list of his top donors. Check out who is number two, six, seven. Hmmm are those bailout recipients?
University of California $1,648,685
Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
Harvard University $878,164
Microsoft Corp $852,167
Google Inc $814,540
JPMorgan Chase & Co $808,799
Citigroup Inc $736,771
Time Warner $624,618
Sidley Austin LLP $600,298
Stanford University $595,716
National Amusements Inc $563,798
WilmerHale LLP $550,668
Columbia University $547,852
Skadden, Arps et al $543,539
UBS AG $532,674
IBM Corp $532,372
General Electric $529,855
US Government $513,308
Morgan Stanley $512,232
Latham & Watkins $503,295
Hmmm, interesting...don't see any big oil in there...
And in case you didn't read my prior post, I mentioned that wall street has abandonded Obama for Romney.
So, I guess if you don't like bail-out recipients, you will have to take it up with him now.
08 is ovah.
Well, I'll be hornswaggled! I just hit up my twitter, and looky here: Obama campaign funded by small donors!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ … print.html
After I thought about it for a while it seems that this is one more example of government incompetence. Your low bill is preventing some hardworking city employee from getting a raise. You should pay your fair share..
your water bill was less than 120$ for the whole YEAR???,.... sorry,... i'm stunned,... and jelous! ha!
Yes, I know some communities where the bills are extremely high...guess I would have to amend my thread then...I just reacted because it WAS so low!
And...they give HUGE lee-way in paying it too...not like tv/internet, who shut you off pronto. AND charge you a month in advance!
Guess there could be a case made for both...I just get so sick of hearing about the horrible horrible gvt..I over-react.
Unlike the NES (Nashville Electric). They shut off the service down here if the bill isn't paid within the month. Same with Comcast. You pay the month in advance or they shut you down.
Liberals like to say "government makes things cheap", and in this example, LMC cites his water bill.
Then he turns around - an about face - and begins to demand that "government does something to prevent the slow depletion of our lakes and rivers".
O! The irony!!
If only we all had a good understanding of how it all works, like you do, the country might be better run. No sarcasm intended.
Mass must be making up the difference somewhere else. As in, the big water users pay much more so that you can pay what seems to be a reasonable amount for your water bill.
In comparison, your annual water bill is the same as my monthly city utilities bill for garbage and recycling collection, green waste (mower clippings, branches, etc.) collection and sewer.
We have zero control over what the city charges for these utilities. I have seen the amount go up at least 15% as the city, county and state become strapped for cash.
Cable or satellite TV is privately owned. They can charge what the traffic will suck up and pay. DirectTV, Dish Network, Comcast and ATT. Looks to me like we're heading into another monopoly situation with MaBell taking over the pot (Uverse trumps them all) until such time as it is deemed the industry must once again be regulated. Er, deregulated.
IT'S ALL A GAME.
Yes, well cities and states are strapped for cash because the feds give them less....so the Ubers can have more back in tax cuts.
It's a vicious circle, and one where I see one solution where no one gets hurt:
Tax the Ubers more, put more federal dollars into cities and states!
Unless someone can give me one good reason why Adelson, with a worth of 21.5 BILLION should be able to avoid 39% tax....can you imagine what that $ would do for a city?
Here in Wales, I pay £30 per month for water and £25 per month for satellite TV and internet. I don't watch the TV at all, I pay because it is the only way I can get the add-on for reasonably reliable, uncapped broadband.
They charge whatever they like.
For example, I get my broadband internet through ATT.
One day they capriciously started charging me $40/month. I called and asked why the rate had been increased and pointed out that I saw lots of promotions (ads) offering the same service to new customers for $19 a month. Why, as a loyal, many year (decade plus) customer could I not qualify for the lower rate?
You know why.
I'm not a "new" customer!
Then,out of the blue, one day they approached me and said they are going to change my internet rate to $19 a month. Part of me says, "All right! Sweet!" and part of me says, "What's the catch here? What rights am I signing away to accept this offer?"
Yay in my town we only have the option of Charter communications, and no one else seems to serve the area, go figure. I pay 59 a month just for internet, and don't have to many options unless I use dial up which is old fashion. Really sucks when they monopolize the area.
WriteA - That's a lot for water. That would be $45. month in the U.S. But your internet is cheaper at $37.USD.
"Will, what is Dish and Direct, for 2 examples, if not competition for cable? Greg"
Cable prices are competitive with both. The other factor is demand, and the demand supports the high price. We can always drop all of them and get free TV off the air. There is also free dial-up access to the internet if you don't mind advertisements.
If you think satellite is competition for cable, you've obviously never had it
"If you think satellite is competition for cable, you've obviously never had it"
Until recently, we had both, and satellite is better by far.
You must never get heavy rain..
We had satellite for a while at our vacation home. The only time we actually wanted to watch tv was when the weather was really bad and when the weather was really bad.. no satellite tv
It seemed to us to be an extraordinarily stupid thing to be paying for. Just our opinion, of course.
Satellite sucks more than cable. Same price and of course the dunes and trees in michigan get in the way. Of course we could just chop all the tress down, but again when it rains or snows, you shit out of luck regardless what dish company you use. Tried two different ones.
Pc - where do you live? In Middle Tennessee, everytime a cloud moves the lights go out, the dishes move, the cable goes out. It's like living in Kansas just waiting for Dorothy and the house to go up.
I read a bunch of replies and switch provider was the one I liked best. Here's the thing, they are all the same price after the "Teaser" period.I have seen the price rise about $75 in the last 8 months for the same service.They did send me a nice letter that I would be getting screwed though. Don't you call that collusion? Take a look at a Comcast or any other bill. Charge for the converter,(Shouldn't that come with service since you can't access it without it?)HD technology fee.If they didn't have HD they couldn't keep any customers with the popularity of flat screens.Digital access?,the whole country went to digital broadcast 2 years ago. Outlet fee,my house was pre-wired.There are many more taxes and fees. Comcast sucks and they are gouging the crap out of their customers,period.
"LMC - Government provides and subsidizes the water supply, thus it is cheaper."
Ahhhhhh, now if only we could get that in healthcare and higher education!!!
But here's another one I just noticed, don't know how long it has been going on....
Verizon charges a late fee now, like credit cards.
EVEN THOUGH they maintain the right to cut you off if you get too far behind.
Granted, a house phone is not a neccesity these days....but I'm hesitant to switch to cellular.
and, I just got a tax bill for a car I supposedy owned in 2006: mistake. But I'll pay it then go fix it...all of a sudden I appreciate the gvt so much more!
So many people I know have removed their land line phones and only use cellular. The down side is if the towers go out, you have no phone. The down side of landline is the same if electricity goes out.
Yes, me too..it does seem stupid to have them both. But I know with cell phones, you get into these "arrangements" that you are penalized for if you get out of....I hate that kind of thing.
The contracts. There are some companies that have no contracts now. Some of the smaller ones. The problem is you sacrifice service in remote areas. The bigger companies have more coverage because they are on more towers so be aware of that. Having worked for Verizon since its inception, I know just a little about how it works. I'm not an engineer though.
Then he turns around - an about face - and begins to demand that "government does something to prevent the slow depletion of our lakes and rivers".
If they privitize it, you will wish for 80 a month...that's the whole point.
Once profit is the motive, it's a wash.
THE DEPTH OF YOUR ILLUSION SCARES ME MORE THAN THE DEPTH OF MY GOVERNMENTS COMPLICITY.
Ahh, no illusion my man...the psychopath march.
Man who created Willie Horton add now working for Romney.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012 … fact_mayer
Now you will see. This is an a-moral, empty suit brigade. At least Gingrich has feelings and emotion.
You think Romney's dog liked being on the roof of a car for 12 hours?
You think he cared?
Watch out. The non-feeling are infinitely more dangerous.
This is Ariana Huffington 11/28/11:
"There was another big story -- the brazen dishonesty of former frontrunner Mitt Romney -- that received a lot less attention from the media. Instead of obsessing over whether an element of humanity might disqualify Gingrich with some Iowa voters, the media would be better served focusing on whether out-and-out lying should disqualify Romney with all voters."
It is now going to go ballistic...and we'll see which "media" calls him out!
Oh, and read up on psychopaths.
I thought you loved Romney, he was you guy, your Gov. He gave you so much, Romney care, more regulation, higher taxes, and more. Wait that sounds familiar, yet you love the twin of Romney. Go figure
might be because the planet, and you and i are 90% water. thus the lower cost due to such availability.
Aware gets it!!! supply and the cost involved supplying it. If Hollywood got involved with water like with TV productions we would pay $50 for a bottle of water in the store. I am not saying Comcast and then like are not making money, we know they are. But they are selling a product that cost so much to make. Maybe since Hollywood are so eager to back Obama and want to pay higher taxes, how about they pay a extra 10% tax on all their income, residuals and all the freebies given to them and use those funds to subsidize cable costs across the nation. That would lower the cable bill.
I was watching a panel on internet security this early morn...and a business woman explained just what was ailing America:
(paraphrase) "As with anything in these endeavors, we always make the same mistake; we work not for the benefit of the greater good, but for the benefit of the share-holders"
That is America's failure in a nut shell, IMO.
Here's Romneys current list of donors:
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/art … tt_romney/
Hedgefunders top it. But most hateful to me is Koch with his coal and gas....fighting the wind farm tooth and nail.
And the man who helped the swift-boat veterans....this is telling, since Mittens has hired the guy who made the infamous Willie Horton adds.
We have a WHOLE lot o Nasty to look forward to. Or backward, as I see it. Regress.
Once upon a time here in the UK, water was publicly owned and virtually given away.
Then we were told how much better our water would be if it was sold off to private companies, how much more efficient and cheap it would be.
Now my water bill is more than my electricity bill!
Still the same old pipes and even more shortages in the summer, so much for cheaper and more efficient!
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