what u think about this Sri lanka Vs LTTE War .?
What kind of result are u like ?
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Those fighting for their basic/ fundamental rights will always win over those fighting for pride and prejudice. That is history. Examples: Indians fighting for independence before 1947; Israel even now continue fighting Arabs and Palestinians for their own existence.
It's nice you gave a response, but I think Mathi needs bit more of english knowledge for being here
Ms.web, why are you changing photos? Your first picture was good. Will you keep it?
I have all my sympathy to Srilankan Tamils, as they are our brethren and blood. The last King of Srilanka before England spread its empire in Srilanka was a Tamil, for whom there is a tomb even now on the banks of Palar river at Vellore.
But I have to hesitate as a group, among ourselves is dead against them for their own reasons.... "If Tamils get independence... if Yelam is created... that will happen and this will happen." They dont understand what will happen if they continue their tirade against Tamils. Periyar will come.
i agree with you. I am behind the yelam tamils. yelam is a must to solve this problem.
iam from tamil nadu (in india) , But i don't know , what kind of activity doing on there.seriously am watching this problem on last one month .my heart touched with Tamil Ealam . But i dont agree .
Becoz iam not getting some clear answer about , Tamil nadu is comes to tamil country after the tamil Yealam ????? becoz our tamil directors stage meeting clearly shoot that tamil nadu.
am tamil , so not clear that grammer . so ask this question to Mr.Venugopal( translate that question and answer me) .
Go ahead ....
Here at hubpages forum, you can't be chatting in local languages. Try to understand english and reply in english, be practising
hi sukkran ...
just answer the above guessing ..
Thanks Venu. I keep changing profile image, just for fun. I agree with your post about Tamil Eelam
Your school-time photo, I think. It is also good.
L O L .... just watch her eyes ... its remember one of the bolly queen ( Kaj..).
You are seeing through Genelia's eyes, so what do you do here?
Do you want EVR back? Why?
And, do you think LTTE is alright with their terrorist activities?
(Don't get me wrong; I'm not against Sri Lankan tamils)
yes , iam try to improving my knowledge with hub fan .
" Israel even now continue fighting Arabs and Palestinians for their own existence." Israel actually stole Palistine and continue to fight to steal more.
Mr.Knowl, Israel did not steal any place belonging to Palestine. History says that Jews crucified Jesus Christ in Jeusalem. That means the present Israeli territory belonged to Jews even before Palestinians came there. Even if we take your argument, Israel did not steal that area. The allied countries, at the end of WW-2, restored them their original place. There was a war with Arabs in 1948, when Jews, persecuted by Germans all over Europe were yet to settle completly. At that time, there was no organised army or anything called government machinery. With the help of Christian nations, they re-established Israel, which existed there before 2000 years. No need to steal their own place.
Mr. VENUGOPAL: "History says that Jews crucified Jesus Christ in Jeusalem. That means the present Israeli territory belonged to Jews even before Palestinians came there."
Have you ever read a property deed? Since when has any
property ownership been based on someone having lived somewhere a couple of thousand years ago.
"Imaginary descriptions help only to create hatred."
Mr.Knowl, do you have any property deed in support of Palestinians? Please say where did Israel existed when Jesus was crucified? My policy is to stand behind the oppressed and not the oppressors. Had America not supported Israel, those sinners would have thrown it into Meditteranean. That is why I like America, which supports (sometimes) the oppressed. Mind this... oppressors will always try to suppress some facts and establish falsehood.. At last, they will suppress themselves. Truth alone triumphs.
P.Mathy: You cannot understand Srilankan problem in a month. It is 60 years old. It started with the independence of Srilanka. Because we are not affected, or know nothing, we should not take sides with the oppressors. LTTE is made up of Tamils only and isolating them will prove senseless. Terrorist activities... I also dont like it. If a struggle emanates from genocides or oppression, it wont die down till the problem is settled.
Dingdong: Periyar died on 24-12-2003 and he cannot come back. Someone will resume his struggle for creating self-respect among Tamils and make them more sensible.
I knew that EVR is no more and nobody can replace him.
I hope you know what LTTE has been doing for ages: How do they get men for their mission? You know, not all the tigers are volunteers, many of them are tamils forcefully trained from their childhood. That is the point I was trying to make, they are not so good for us to support them. They are fighting in their own style, but we should not forget the fact that they are also being a problem to Sri Lankan tamils who really want to migrate to India.
Mathi: You are almost correct, sources say that tamil people are the natives of Sri Lanka and the sinhalese went from somewhere in Orrisa, India and settled in Sri Lanka few generations back.
Why indian goverment not like to helping LTTE ?
any problem to continue the after elam ?
Come on, Mathi!
Indian govt(any govt) can't support the terrorists like LTTE, even though they are freedom fighters in some other viewpoint. Don't you know? Indian government was helping Sri Lankan govt. which still continues to be a boost for their military forces against LTTE and tamil people there. If our govt can really do something, that will be their serious attempt to request the Lankan govt to stop the war - That's highly impossible, LTTE won't stop even if the military stops forwarding.
Ya .. iam here ..
What are u saying > its making more freedom fighter from Tamil .
How to full stoping that problem ?
Ms.web, Do you know that I know Srilankan Tamils issue for a very long time.... May be from the beginning. You would not have been born at that time. Each fighter has lost one or more persons in their family. This same Indian govt. supported LTTE and helped its growth.. They gave military training in India. Only with Indian moral and material support did the LTTE grow to this extent. Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi were on their way to create a Tamil Ealam in Srilanka. It all turned upside down when Rajiv Gandhi was killed. (Killing of Indira Gandhi has nothing to do with LTTE, as Mathi says.) But that case has ended in the Court, after awarding of death sentence to those involved. Just to keep some heat in their party, some political parties are playing something for their gains.
yes , i agree that how to Extent the LTTE . But currently breaking all support from tamil nadu that good . But they are supporting Sri lankan army , its very bad happit na ? . wanna directly war with LTTE , and save Tamil People .
I am not like this Indian Govenment Direction .
Thanks for endorsing India's help to SL govt. against LTTE and Tamils. If LTTE stops fighting, the whole Tamil population will be routed in Srilanka, placing a burden on India. India has created Bangladesh on the same circumstances which prevails in Srilanka today. But it has reservations to repeat that glorious feat.... because there is no Indira Gandhi in India today. Political leadership should ascert itself instead of caving in to pressures.
I wonder how did you completely redirect/twist my point to somewhere!!!
What is your point? Do you say Indian govt. never helped directly or indirectly to them?
OK. What did I say wrong?
Did I say LTTE should stop fighting and surrender? The war will actually be stopped only when both sides give up and find a way for peace. Do we have a solution? WE, I mean Indians and our government
I have approved your point. You have misunderstood it.
It's OK, Venu. I apologise if I was wrong
But, I don't want that way. They won't feel nativity here. Tamils have their right in Sri Lanka, they can have their own land there themselves. That would be the ultimate solution, and Sri Lankan govt. has to come to the right conclusion
That is my basic policy. Let them live there peacefully. Let there be no refugees on Indian soil. We all are concerned only because of these refugees. If no refugee comes here, we need not interfere in their affairs.
Ms.ding, Do you know LTTE for "ages"? It was formed only in 1983, when senseless genocide was unleashed by Sinhala thugs in 1983. There were 5 or 6 separate Tamil organisations fighting for freedom in Srilanka. Each one was supported by a political party here in Tamilnadu. LTTE was supported by MGR. He even officially sanctioned Rs.8 crores in 2 instalments in 1984 for their struggle. MGR himself was a Srilankan repatriat. Then LTTE suppressed all others and remained sole representative of Tamils till date. If they stop fighting, the whole Tamil population will be routed in Srilanka and add a burden to India. The so called terrorist activities is not our concern. It is Srilanka's concern.
Do you have any justification for LTTE? Better you don't support them; Violence is not the right way. I know, I don't care if they only attack the militarians. But, don't you know that Lankan tamils get affected by military forces as well as by the LTTE? I don't say LTTE must give up, I just expect them to stop giving troubles to civilians.
IT IS our concern too...see the title of the thread
New story ? LTTE giving trouble to civilians ? which civilians? Tamils ? Then why do they follow the LTTE into the jungles ? You are misquoting. A member of Srilankan parliament last week came here and discussed with the authorities. They affirm that the only people guarding Tamil civilians are LTTE, and requested the Indian Govt to demand ceasefire by the SL government.
Not a story, tamils get affected by LTTE, even though LTTE shows like they are the saviours. You know how it is like? "Be here fools, we are fighting for you. Don't be running for your life seeking help(may be in Tamilnadu/India)" - See, I'm trying to say this is how they dictate the SL tamilians.
And, as I told already - they take tamil kids and train forcefully to become a terrorist (freedom fighter in their justification) Is it not true?
One more indirect trouble that you may be aware of - let me try explaining, LTTE hides in some places during war - say schools. What happens? There will be no single LTTE warrior at the time of military attacking there, only the civilians get affected. Do you say it's not happening?
Nothing wrong in dictating Tamils not to run for their lives. They should stay there and face the problem. If they take the kids and enrol them, why should you worry? Let them fight with the LTTE. They may hide anywhere in their own land. It is not for us to say where to hide. It is not a fight with swords and spears... it is with modern weapons. They will not come out in the open and show themselves before the guns. If the civilians are really affected, they should fight with LTTE and not give refuge to them. Your arguments are like those of some anti-Tamil people in Tamilnadu. Tamils need no support from them.
You have a serious problem - you ask a question, and when someone answers it you take it(rather divert) to some other direction.
Set your focus clear: Who is your target? Tigers or Lankan Govt? Your posts are totally confusing.
Do I sound like anti-tamil? This is the greatest insult...So, if I'm not supporting terrorists like LTTE, you give me an anti-tamil label?
What's wrong? What is the justification do you have for LTTE activities? Who are they to transform innocent kids to terrorists? And, who are you to acknowledge them?
I can ask so many like that, first of all set your focus and come to arguement, of course a healthy discussion.
Why are you confused? My support is for Srilanka Tamils and whoever comes to their rescue.
I have not given anti-Tamil label; but your arguments are against Tamils.
Do you want innocent kids being killed in bombings? Or should they be abandoned? No harm in making them defend themselves.
You are fiercely against LTTE. But they dont need your support or care for your tirade.
Completely wrong... I'm sure you will never get my point. And, I just don't care if you are supporting any terrorist like LTTE. You will be behind the bars if you speak like this in public, but I hope you won't go to that extent.
Violence is not the right way, that's all I have to say! Note it, I won't care if their violence is totally, clearly aimed at Lankan military force and govt. I see their wrong only because of the tamil civilians get affected, I don't want to repeat - I have explained already.
Thanks for cursing me ! Dont you know what is happening around you? A Srilankan MP is in India canvassing support for Tamils. The political parties in TN are gathering to go to Delhi and demand stoppage of military action against Tamils there. When all are tuning one way, you are tuning differently. No one will support terrorism as you think. We want terrorism to be stopped in Srilanka. Your words will fall on your head soon.
I think you have the habit of cursing abusing all who come across you. It is not good. Try to be reasonable and try to respect others.
A king thundered "all the world remains under my feet !" The clouds and sky thundered "We remain on your head".
You don't want a woman to think on her own, just recalling what you said on the other forum. And, when someone thinks in alternative way, there comes your flame-throwing comments. Well done!!!
I think you have serious problems in understanding my english, let me blame on my choice of words - not to personally attack you. Mind it, Venu, I never attack you, on the contrary you are attacking me. Re-read some early messages that show obviously.
Coming to the point, one who supports terrorism(LTTE in this case) has to go behind bars, that is the fact. I was NOT CURSING you, and you can't be so dumb to forget or deny the fact - you know who are the people arrested for the charge of supporting LTTE recently in Tamilnadu. Directors Ameer, Seeman, politician Vai.Ko. remember?
Hmmm, quote any of my message where I have said something against Sri Lankan tamils....Can you? Yes, I don't like the way LTTE is acting, but how can it mean that I don't want tamils to retrieve their land?
I can see memory-loss and confusion is common for old men, but this is forum. Take enough time to read the messages before you go on adding your assumptions. The messages will still remain as evidence of the misunderstanding, remember, you can't edit any message after a given time. You seem to be an expert in TWISTING others words. I have been witnessing in other forums too!!!
Ms.ding, The lawyers of Madras High Court have celebrated V.Prabakaran's birthday today (26-11-2008) in the High Court campus. They distributed cakes. Praised him and prayed 100 years of life to him.
When anyone say a thing, I try to explain how many ways their words can be taken. That is not twisting. I myself edit my comments before publishing.
You mentioned Ameer, Seeman (Simon), Vaiko, etc. I am not a politician and do not intend to be one. I want truth to triumph, and it will.
Prabhakaran's aim may be right, but I'm strongly not OK with his path. I would like to see peace on Lanka, but certainly Prabha is not going to bring it. Some other intervention is needed
Mathy: Only those who are ready for analysing a fact can effectively take part in forums like this. Pre-motivated persons will find no justification any where. However, taking you as a person with free mind, I furnish below an incident which occurred on 27-7-1983:
Dr.Nathaniel and his wife were both from Malaysia settled at Bandarawela, Srilanka. On 27-7-1983, Sinhala thugs surrounded his house shouting "Kill the Tamils". They tried to enter his house and pelted stones. Police removed the Doctor from his house and put him in a jeep. Then Obadellal, a Budhist priest who headed the crowd stopped the jeep. The thugs pulled the doctor and his wife out of the jeep and attacked with iron rods. The priest jumped on the couple, stabbed him shouting "Tamils are finished; today is our festival". This is one example, one day. (Page 29. "Srilanka: July 1983 violence against Indian Tamils" published by Tamil Information Centre, Madras in 1984.) These things happened for a long time.
Let us not participate in their struggle. But no sin in giving moral support.
ohhh .. its very cruel incident , that making terror.
but our indian goverment not forgot that Rajiv Gandhi killed .
same government dont remember that Indira Gandhi Killed
1. my small questions ? that srilankan (singkala person) mostly dispatched from north india . its correct .
2.and i trust that srilanka tamilans are real classic sri lanka tamilans . some people only dispatched from tamil nadu .
3. I think . indian government think...suppose , rised a tamil ealam . after tamil nadu ? why not asked tamil country (dividing)? so , india not like new tamil ealam .
Venugopal - I don't really want to talk about the Middle East on a Sri Lanka thread, but I would ask you to cast an eye towards Gaza,where I think you'll find that the Palestinians are being wickedly oppressed, having been under blockade for months, and depending on tunnels under the closed Egyptian border for basic supplies of food, medicine and fuel.
Mr.Paraglider, Wherever people are oppressed, Indian govt. supports them, That is why we have always supported Palestinian cause; India has also recognised Palestine as a separate nation.
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Well, I don't need any ideas/tips from you. I deleted my previous message, now I want you to DELETE my message that you have QUOTED in your message (after all it's good for you to remove it)
its going wrong way ,
My points ; how to helping Sri Lankan Tamils and getting Belief .
Ding : your point is LTTE having terrorism so don't help to Terror . they are not helping tamil people , how to prove that points ?
Can and will a 25 to 60 year old struggle be reversed... because ding does not like it and have some personal animosity towards SL Tamils and their leader? Can a whole organisation which has created a govt. and runs till now be wiped out because people like her does not like it? I also hate their terrorist ways. But what can we do? They are standing before an enemy, ready to wipe them out. So, an emergency like situation will prevail among the people under their control. We should patiently wait and see how events go. That is all we can and should do!
Neither your support, nor my hatred is going to affect the LTTE, now they can't get back. I already said I just don't care about them. And, when the people in power can't do anything, what is in our hands? We are no authorities to give any solution
Let me enter here and tell one thing to all. Lets say LTTE is a Kannadiga's organisation or a Telugu or a Malayalee or even a Hindi speaking organisation.
I have to take sides with LTTE against Sri Lankan Goverment and its military. This is because I have read the whole histroy of this Eelam struggle.
It is very emotional one and Tamilians were treated to such a slavery and such brutality by reading those your blood gets hot with anger. And these are true facts. Leave aside they are tamilians they are too human beings. That all methods to change Sinhalese Government through Gandhian way and in a peaceful way met with utter failures. It was under Prabhakaran that Tamilians saw in them their protector and that they could live with self-respect.
It was bad luck that Rajiv Gandhi interefered and gave a tacit support to Sri lankan Government and their Military that the whole thing has turned tops-turvy. The IPKF not only went on war with LTTE but raped young tamil girls and killed many for which no punishment has been given to them here in India nor tried them here in a court of law.
Trouble is already there... no need to stir.
If supporting LTTE is stirring trouble, what is about supporting Srilankans?
The dividing line is very, very clear. Some support Tamils' struggle. Some oppose.. because of motivated analysis of the whole issue.
Tamil pride, Tamil honour will never die, even if LTTE dies. It will rise up like a phonix with more vigour. Capturing Prabakaran and thinking that the LTTE will die will prove false. There may be more than one Prabakaran in a 70 million Tamil population.
I didn't mean anything like that, I was trying to say reactivating this forum thread IS like stirring trouble. Tell me, what do we(you, I and others) get from this? What is going to change by our supporting or objecting LTTE?
It is the same thing when the neighbour is being robbed everybody locks themselves inside their house. No one goes out in support of the victim.
Next day the dacoits turn to the other house and you see no one is coming to help them too. The criminals are having a field day.
That is what is happening in Sri Lanka, except true Tamilians no one is raising voice against Sri Lankan Government. Sri Lankan Government is a terrorist Government and it is shame on Pranab Mukerjee to have tea with Rajapakshe.
Again I feel that no one Tamil leader should visit Sri Lanka, since some stage managements will take place and all their terrorist activities will get some endorsements.
This world boasts of having organisations which supports human values. But now I see all these organisations are there just for name sake. When there is no value for human lives then this world is a HELL to live with.
Tell me, does this forum discussion change anything? That's my straight question. Simple
Yes it will if not you others who are going through these discussions. A light is being thrown on what really is happening in Sri Lanka.
People reading these discussions will know that the real terrorists is the Sri Lankan Government and not the LTTE.
Now Rajapakshe has called Karunanidhi CM of TN. It is a tricky situation either to go or not. If Karunanidhi goes then it is like endorsing all that is being done by Rajapakshe is correct. If he does not go then what really is happening there will not be known. Maybe by going if it gives a real solution to Tamil ethnic issues then it can be taken upon. But in all discussions LTTE should be a party to it. LTTE has calculately moved out of the war zones and is still strong to take upon any military. If no solution comes out then you will see the back old days when LTTE once again will go for guirella warfare for which they are famous. And then Sri Lanka as whole will be in danger. Their economy will never grow and see its heights. More human loss more bombings and so on.
Sri Lanka has been CURSED by someone that war has to go on in that Island. It is better that to find out what really is that curse and try to remove it. Contact some great Swamiji he may have the solution.
Discussion never changes things. Only action. There are men in action on both sides. We are only discussing. No wrong.
Will going to a cinema and seeing it change anything? This is like that. That is like this. Only for consolation of mind and heart.
Yes, trouble for military men of IPKF who had indulged in rape, tortures and killing of innocent civilians in LTTE controlled areas.
If these military men who had gone as IPKF are brought in to book.. then some startling facts would come out of how inhumanly they have behaved with the civilians in LTTE controlled areas.
It would be more appropriate to open a commission under a Supreme Court judge and ask the affected families in Srilanka to cross over to India and give in their woes of sufferings that they had undergone at the hands of IPKF. No crime committed by anybody on any human beings anywhere should go unpunished. By this Justice will be restored to those souls who had seen the brutal acts in front of their eyes. Indian Government has to compensate them later to set right the wrong done to them.
The cause of the LTTE may be just, but the means it used to achieve were far from admirable. Suicide bombings are the worst advertisement you can send to the world. Perhaps, their time has come now, the last I heard their second bastion had fallen as well.
First bastion or second bastion,, they have fallen many times to Srilankans and recaptured by Tamils. This will never end till justice is established.. A group in Indian establishment is strongly in favour of Srilankans, only because, they will be wiped out if Tamils get the upper hand. Because of their fear, they speak against their own conscience and against justice. If there is a single person of their liking was amongst the Tamils, they will support LTTE.
Suicide bombings are undertaken normally by women. Those women think it is better to die at the hands of Srilankan soldiers rather than honourably killing themselves.
If there are specialists on II WW, you can find a Japanese pilot jumping with bombs around his body into the chimny of the largest (British) naval ship in the world, and destroyed the whole ship. Mass killing with less effort. It is war. To vanquish the enemy, soldiers do these things. We should blame only cilivilian killings (women and children). Srilankan army is killing only cilivilian women and children and not the LTTE.
Suicide bombings...it can be... only done on some important times. That is REVENGE. I like Rajiv gandhi, beautiful and smart person, but as a politician he was a failure. On diplomatic front he was a failure. And now Pranab Mukherjee is a failure.
Why I will tell you.. remember before, I am not a friend of LTTE nor do I advocate voilence, as a true follower of Mahatma Gandhi I very much advocate non-voilence. But to follow non-voilence there should be a leader like Mahatma Gandhi to lead us. And NON-VOILENCE was successful against British Regime who were kind enough to give in to the demands of Mahatma Gandhi.
Mind you, again I have my own family and my own problems and I just was watching everything these days in silience because Sri Lankan tamils are no one for me. LTTE is not a friend of me, if I am in trouble they are not going to help me out.
But I like to share my knowledge, otherwise this life could be useless. Having immense knowledge and if I do not share then those knowledge will die along with my death.
Now there was non-violent agitation against Sri Lankan humpty number of times in the early part of Tamilians struggles. During British Regime in India their laws were met in strongest terms through Non-voilence by Mahatama Gandhi. The laws of the Srilankan Government was worst and more severe than this British Laws.. and when that law was not followed, young boys girls were stripped naked and tortured and finally killed brutally. A terror phychosis were created on tamilian people. There sprouted many leaders among tamilians but no one could stand against mighty Sri Lankans. At last a ruthless leader Prabhakaran came in handy to the large tamil population. He was a challenge to Sri Lankan and he ran his own Government were the tamilian population lived with self-respect. Read their history and I am sure you will never support Sri Lankan Government.
Now diplomacy part....
Rajiv Gandhi was a failure in diplomatic front and now Pranab Mukerjee has failed in diplomatic front. He has left for Sri Lanka having given a foolish statement like... I have no sympathy for LTTE.
When your neighbour is strong and still not wiped out any word uttered against him you better be careful.
LTTE is recognised as one of the most trained and dangerous terrorist organisation. They are disciplined in that they concentrate their activities only on Sri Lankan soil and use their terrorist activities for the cause of getting a seperate Tamil Eelam. They have friends in every part of the world, for example even World Bank had recognised them and funded them.
Now.. when LTTE HAS EXTENDED ITS FRIENDSHIP HANDS AND ASKED FOR LIFTING ITS BAN IN INDIAN SOIL deal it diplomatically.
If LTTE tells Pranab Mukerjee that we have no sympathy for Indians, then Pranab is putting the whole nation in danger especially Tamilnadu. Or maybe if LTTE sympathises Tamilnadu then other parts of India. Maybe it will never be so but why take risk.
And again Pranab Mukherjee has put his own Government at the centre in danger.
Resign Pranab Mukherjee resign you are not a diplomatician you could be a politician. Any wrong done by politician they have to resign.
The other thing is now DMK has no any other option then ask his people to resign from parliament. And this is because of Pranab Mukherjee's wrong diplomacy and arrogance. Otherwise Karunanidhi will carry a black mark on his head during his tenure of his. Nearly 80% to 95% of tamilians are backing LTTE.
Again I am not a supporter of LTTE but only taking its sides and will be taking its sides as long as the other opposite sides are not truthful and do not see the things in its right perspective. I want to share my knowledge and the things that I know to be truth.
Mr.Pranab Mukerjee, does not think the Tamils' problems are hurting the Tamil sentiments in India and the whole world. He, being a Bengali, has no reason to analyse the sufferings of Tamils. His utterances in Srilanka supports only Srilankans and not Tamils.
During the uprising in East Pakistan, the whole West Bengal boiled like anything. They brought the story to the frontlines of every newspaper. They made the Central leaders to support the Bengali freedom fighters in Bangladesh. Every one was made to contribute to the cause of Bangladesh in the name of "refugee relief". All postal articles carried one special refugee stamp. But now, the same Bengalis question the need for the freedom of the suffering Tamils.
Those who are following the events in Srilanka may notice a strange change in the attitude of Rajiv Gandhi towards Srilankan Tamils in mid-July,1987.
He was very sympathetic to the Tamils, demanded that all help including food, clothing and shelter be provided to affected Tamils. He even despatched plane loads of food packets, medicines and clothes to Tamil areas. That was from 1985 to mid-1987. In July, 1987, Mr.R.Venkatraman, became President of India. The attitude of Rajiv Gandhi began changing for the worse. He sent the IPKF first for protecting the Tamils and then to "disarm" them. That change was purely on the advise of the then President, who belonged to a coastal village facing Srilankan shores.
Only maybe your own mind.
Yours or mine or whoever - would think would be the idea.
The links in the below webpage speaks volumes about the atrocities committed by Indian Government on Sri Lankan Tamils. No doubt Rajiv Gandhi had to pay the price for it quickly as a revenge. If only there was strong police to punish the guilty then a fair trial should have been taken upon prosecuting Rajiv Gandhi for his war crimes as it was done to Saddam Hussain. If Rajiv Gandhi had lived and was prosecuted for the crimes done on Sri Lankans then Death Sentence to him would have ensued since he had been responsibe for the long list of deaths that you see in the links. But there seems to be a tacit understanding working between USA and Indian Government to wipe out Tamilians and pave way for establishing a base in Sri Lanka. No doubt Rajiv Gandhi would have never been prosecuted and even if prosecuted he would have escaped from offences committed by him.
If you had read all the links then you will know that Rajiv Gandhi had been a worst enemy of human beings specially Sri lankan tamils His army under his instructions created much havoc on Sri Lankan tamils which when read makes ones blood to boil with anger. It is shameful that people still praise him in our country especially in Tamilnadu. By praising him it only shows that there is no value for human lives. In other words people are living without conscience. Having said that what else you can expect from Congress Government who worship Rajiv Gandhi, it will be only massacre of tamilians. They are speaking something like saviours of civilians in Sri Lanka but it is all only a eyewash. They waited till the last baston of LTTE is captured and many civil casualities to happen in the process. They virtually have no respect for all the feelings of people living in Tamilnadu. There are cries all over tamilnadu to stop war immediately, there is a relay type of hungerstrikes but no congress men at centre cares nor the congress men at Tamilnadu. For them if a single Tamilian dies it is one more death for rejoicing. Obama the new President if he has any moral values and as a heart then he will interfere and will put a stop to these genocides. Otherwise the fate of 2.5 lakhs tamilians in Sri Lanka will be famine, draught and deceases. With no medical help, food and other basic needs they are going to die.
Mr.Muldic need not strain so much. There are anti-Tamil infiltrators in all the political parties. They make false statements and hyjack their parties to their liking. Even Communist parties, which I respect verymuch are not immune from this caste-divide in their parties. Eg: CPM Ramamurthy vehemently opposes Tamils and Tha Pandian supports Tamils. Do you understand the underlying caste-divide? Who are Cho, SubSwamy, Jayalalitha and others? Are they Tamils? But our ignorant Tamils blindly follow some of them for personal gains.
But what hurts me most is the grandchild of a renowned social reformer who has laid a firm foundation of rationalism in Tamilnadu pretends to be a true congressman. Congress leadership will soon understand him and drive him out to his eligible place.
Please dont blame Congress party, Rajiv Gandhi and others. They get their feedbacks only from anti-Tamils. Let it go as it is... Tamils will have the last laugh.. they WILL win. "Kannadasan in 'Rathathilagam' = Naan nirantharamanavan azhivathillai"
LTTE reduced to mere 2000... Prabakaran on the run... will be caught and handed over to India.... some people get consolation from these news.. According to Karuna alias Ettappa, there should be at least around 10000 with LTTE. It was not known why they were not pressed into service. There may be some reasons. What is disturbing most is that the Tamils "held hostage" by LTTE were persuaded to come out by Srilankan Govts' ceasefire for 2 days. When some came out, a heavy arillery shelling killed 300 and wounded 1500. How will the remaining come out? It is better the Congressmen go and bring them out, because, there party is the main reason for all Srilankan atrocities. These crimes of Srilanka and Indian Govts. will be paid militarily in Srilanka and democratically in India.
Actually India has gone on war against LTTE and the Sri Lanka Government is acting like a puppet in the hands of India.
You only have to be intelligent to closely watch the happenings and you will know. How can the Defence secretary Gotabaya Rajapaksa warn the diplomats, aid agencies and media, including the BBC, that they will be expelled from Sri Lanka if they seem to favour the Tamil Tiger rebels. He has guts to become a dictator overnight warning the world to keep off.
It is India that is tacitly going about wiping out Tamil population in Sri Lanka under the guise of waging war on LTTE.. Who will be their next target? Is emergency in the offing? If it is then it will be second by the Congress Government. The next target under emergency will be Tamilnadu and all tamilians in India.
All Tamils will have to suffer heavily until they get the ability to differentiate between friends and foes. Anti-Tamilians are able to differentiate. It is from time immemorial that Tamilians are put to hardships and after a long struggle, they will come to senses and drive out the Tamilian enemies. Absence of Periyar is very sad at this time. His grandchild could have taken his mantle. But unfortunately, that child has gone to the other house., leaving Periyar's dignity in the lurch.
The fighting has come to the last phase. The savage bombing by the Srilankan army with cluster bombs and naphalm bombs on civilians are new to the civilised world. The Islamic terrorists' idea of changing names frequently could have helped the LTTE to some extent.
My respects to the brave LTTE men and their leader....
Your souls will see a better Srilanka in a few years.
Make your mind up VS.
US kills civilians/terrorists = Good.
Sri Lanka kills civilians/terrorists = Bad.
One man's terrorist = one man's freedom fighter.
That is the problem with blind warmongering. The Sri Lankan government listened to you and others like you and decided to do as you asked.
Be careful what you ask for. It could you next.
Mr.Marks desperately wants me to be caught in a war. Mr. Friend, I have been here since India became independent. We have seen 4 wars with our neighbours. 1962 (China), 1948, 1965, 1971 (Pakistan). We were succeeded in all the wars with Pakistan. You need not imagine a war with India by any other country at present will be so simple as in Middle-east, or Srilanka or Iraq or Afganistan. I, as you think is not so great to be targeted by anyone. I am one-billionth part of Indian population. My Govt. will take care. We are free to express our opinion here. (but not in HP, because Mr.Mark is there).
Thanks to Mr.Marks. You try to put terrorists and freedom fighters in one basket and throw it out. Terrorism, I think is an act of vengence which creates unimaginable destruction just to subjugate the opponents.
The LTTE and Tamilians in Srilanka are fighting for equal rights only. The Tamilians there are denied higher education, Govt. jobs, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and other fundamental rights. This is going on for centuries, since the Europeans entered Srilanka. The Tamilians' self respect made them enemies of the colonising people. First understand the history of the fighting people and then only you can come to a just conclusion.
The Indian Govt's indifference in this issue is due to a few peoples' advise against the Tamils, who they fear will destroy them. The class- caste- colour divide was due these people who are against Tamils and they find place in the present Govt. We wont fight with arms as in Srilanka. There come the elections in 2-3 months and we will set things right.
Just because our former Prime Minister, Rajiv Gandhi was killed for unknown reasons, presumably by LTTE, that too when Rajiv Gandhi was not in office has made the ruling party angry with LTTE. When such a large country supports the Srilankan Govt. against LTTE, they are bound to be defeated. But it is a great feat that they pulled on for 26 years with their struggle.
No where in the world has freedom struggle sustained for such a long period against heavy odds. The history of the Srilankan Tamils' freedom struggle will be gold-plated in the minds of Tamil society. Their valiant struggle will be an example to be quoted to our future generation..(in the lines of Veerapandia Kattabomman and Marudhu pandiar brothers). Let the world know this: pure Tamil language exists only in Srilanka, not even in Indian-Tamilnadu. In future, Ealam will be the holy place for Tamilians all over the world.
The kind of tragedy happening in Srilanka is not new to India and Indians.
Even in epic times. such things happened. Here is one: The five Pandavas, with the help of Lord Krishna, fought with the 100 Gouravas in Kurukshetra (now in Haryana). At the end of 18th day of the war, all the Gauravas and their army were killed. The father of 100 Gauravas, King Dridarashtra got so enraged that he called the first Pandava, King Dharma and tried to kill him on the pretext of embracing him. But Krishna prevented the kill.
Queen Kandhari cursed Lord Krishna, (the brain behind the whole episode) that he will die in a forest, unknown to anyone and eagles and other birds will find pray in his body. That went true.
That same anger prevails in the minds of pro-Tamils who cant do anything because of the indifference of very few people who have hijacked the govt. policies against Tamils in Srilanka.
Epics can't be seen as historical happenings. It'd be better to talk only about current happenings, without citing religious books.
Epics are only for taking examples for our daily life.. Dont mess up things and hyjack the real issue. It is a very sensitive issue and no critical comments please.
Oh, what a surprise ! The real peoples' leader MGR (easegiri) has at last enrolled himself in HP. Welcome ! MGR was the original Srilanka born Tamilian, personally affected by the fighting there... in his childhood. We miss him very much at this time. Had he been alive, the Central Govt. would not have dared to go against the Tamils.
I twisted nothing, but you are well known for the same. Go ahead
You are overstepping the issue. Twisting need some intelligence. But Baby, you better come up with a decent Indian dress.. it makes me close my eyes..
Now, Mr.Venu you are redirecting the issue. Our problem is not about a hubber's profile image or the outfits. Everyone has their own right to keep as they wish.
Ms.Web, if you say I am wrong, it is ok.. I'm sorry. But intentionally, Ms.ding, who has consistently commented against LTTE previously tries to mess up things even at this stage. It can't be tolerated. Just to denigrade our opponents, it is the practice of some people in our state to step into lower issues. This forum should be used only to comment about trouble in Srilanka. (However, I am not happy with her posture.)
Continuing our views and enlighting the people on issues is more important then to worry about the comments made against our views. Everybody are just rejoicing acting as if they are against terrorists and are thus saviours of human beings. Thus they are easily targeting LTTE and are twisting the real issue of the innumerable sufferings of child, women and age old persons at the hands of SriLankan military. One thing becomes certain that they are happy that the population of the world comes down by these killings. Again it comes to this, that there is no real LOVE on human beings. Everybody is having only a mask telling that they love every human beings. Inside everyone are terrorists themselves who are supporting these killings, so why call LTTE as terrorists, who now are the real saviours of tamils.
Mind it...You brought funny religious examples and kept commenting on my posture. Now, we know who is diverting from the main topic! Be you are the saviour, don't assume all others are fools.
Religious examples are funny only for you. Not for religious people. You may shape up your posture as you like... it is upto you. I have already said sorry in this to a comment by weblog.
Sorry to you also.
I am not diverting... the position of King Dridarashtra is very much similar to that of old Tamil people like me. I, like many others, can't do anything except to curse the killers. A case has been registered on Srilankan authorities (for their killing-spree) in a US court.
Siva, my friend, I have enrolled 2 years before and have 97 hubs.
My friend MGR @ easegiri, I joined only 4 months ago and this is the first time I see your comment, that too because of MGR's picture. I speicialise in political forum only, at times religious also, if it entertains false faiths. And some other forum here and there. I have not posted any hub so far. Initially some of my hubs were struck down for some strange reasons and felt unnecessary to follow the issue.
I was a fan of MGR and seen almost all his old films before his entering politics. We miss him very much.!
I really appreciate your vast knowledge and the cause that you have taken on behalf of suffering tamils. People who really lead a happy life and are blossoming with full of love in their life will feel for the sufferings of human beings and will acknowledge your topics here. On the other hand it is pure phsychology that people will always see the other side of the coin and will pass on what the majorities say just to tease. They feel happy to be one among the majority. Our job will be to give informations of what really is going on in SriLanka and the sufferings that people are put to there. Presently I do not know much about the sufferings in other parts of the world but I do know that there is. But I confine to SriLanka. Even if one or two get enlightened about the sufferings of people in SriLanka that is a success for us.
I am an ardent fan of MGR whom we miss much under present situations.
It will be quite enough to talk about current issue. Do you think the world can understand if you compare this to epics that are not familiar to all? Actually it seems unnecessary and irrelevant to the topic.
Some Indians are familiar with Greek epics. Some others may be familiar with Indian epics. And HP itself is familiar only to a few. So, my comments are to whomsover it may conceren. But continued criticism on a topic by anyone is not in good sense, while a whole community is preoccupied on a particular issue. If you dont like, you may skip it. Just to pass some bad comments, no one need to enter the unwanted topic.
Both Indian Politicians and Sri Lankan Politicians are taking Sri Lanka and their people to a never ending war situtation.
History speaks volumes that when people do not like a Government and raise against it, you have to tread cautiously. But SL Govt. has gone about with its iron hand with American and Indian leaders support and have started walking on dead corps of tamils. Lakhs of ghosts from the dead will now rise and there will be no sleep to many living in Sri Lanka including Rajapakshe.
Lots of repenting prayer and good souls are the need of hour if at all Sri Lanka has to see a peaceful country. Bad men thrust with power. Sins committed by bad peoples either it is Sinhalese or Tamilians have to suffer. For the last 30 years Satan has taken over the Sri Lankan Government. Unless the powerful God is pleased with prayers from good souls and good people either it is Sinhalese or Tamilians, God will not come for help to chase this satans. For God to come each individual has to change, give importance to human lives. Show love on fellow human beings. Love and only love on human beings is need of the hour. The sweetness and happiness in love can be realised only who have experienced it. It again is a God given gift. Love can't fail. But hatred will bring misery. Angry will eat the person in and out. Ask Rajapakshe and you will know until his death there will be no peace to him. In his previous birth he has committed sin, so God has rejected him and satan has taken over him. Now only a powerful and good soul where God resides will be able to overpower the satan that is inside Rajapakshe to chase it out. But for this Rajapakshe should have done at least one good deed to the people either in his previous birth or in this birth unless that period gets invoked he will never meet the Sadhu or the God.
Thus Rajapakshe will only have to live a wearing mask of victory but defeated in his real life taking along more sins. The next birth of his could be worse, he has to suffer. And these cause and effect is the same for everyone, either it is you or me. Rajapakshe is only the tool in the hands of Satan. Satan is born to give punishments and now punishments are given to Sri Lankan Tamilians. So Sri lankan tamilians have committed sins in their previous births hence they are suffering.
It is better that we realise ourselves for what we have come to live in this world and not give ourselves into the hands of Satan. Chase the satan in you by doing good deeds and invoking the power that is within your soul and heart. Very difficult task indeed.
To start with LOVE LOVE AND LOVE and then you will see the change in yourself and will know what is this life and so sweet is this life.
My friend MGR@easegiri, I dont specialise just on one issue. Wherever people suffer, I will feel sorry and express my feelings.... if only it is out of suppression of one people by others. But people here combine unequal and different things and say "if this is so, why not that?"
Some people find pleasure in simply teasing and blaming the Tamils and sometimes, they engage in personal accusations.
With Tamil blood, I will always stand with Srilankan Tamils. If they had done any criminal acts, let them deal with it normally, (Many Tamilians in Tamilnadu also commit offences and the police is dealing with them.) Citing it, the whole community should not be penalised.
Is there any precedent for a govt., in the name of catching a so-called murderer, the three forces are used and the whole community is reduced? May be equal to genocide of jews in Germany. All misdeeds by anyone will invite equal and opposite reactions... be it now or later...
The simmering discontent among the Tamilians in India can be compared to a few instances:
1. The (combined) Pakistan Govt neglected the aspirations of Bengalis in East Pakistan prior to 1971. That culminated in a bloody war, and created Bangladesh. Now, Pakistan is a failed state.
2. The Somalian govt. neglected the aspirations of Eritreans and it culminated in separation and Eritrea is now a free country. Somalia has become totally bankrupt and its people are pirates on the seas !
So, in the Srilankan Tamils issue also, our discontent will lead to a huge loss to the Indian govt., which no one likes. The main purpose of formation of governments by people is to satisfy the aspirations of each and every section of the society, from which that government collects taxes. It should not rely on a selective selfish people.
If Indian govt. is so much concerned about the sovereignty of Srilanka, why did it not honour the sovereignty of Pakistan in 1971 and sovereignty of Sikkim in 1976? Why not repeat it once more for the sake of 70 million Tamils?
You have compared the discontent of the Tamils to (1) East Pakistan, now Bangladesh and (2) Eritrea.
Your thesis is full of faults! I will correct just one.
Eritrea did not separate from Somalia. At no point of time, Eritrea was a part of Somalia. It was declared a separate country in 1991, carved out of Ethiopia.
Let it be Ethiopia; but Eritrea became independent after a lot of struggle with Ethiopia. Thanks for correcting me. Accumulating more and more information in mind sometimes results in mistakes, which are common.
Otherwise, if you find fault in other things, you are just one among the opponents who are scattered even in Tamilnadu.
Differences in policy matters should not be termed as "fault". If you are put in that place, you will fight more. Mind it.. I am not personally affected. Many in India have this attitude: "I am not affected... why should I support the Tamils?" This attitude creates strange thinkings.... that we have been isolated.
A Prime Ministter who took the matter with another country for keeping beards and long hair by Sikhs and restored the practice, and a Prime Minister who paid a lot of govt. money for Sikh terrorists (as compensation), who combinedly plotted and killed Indira Gandhi, for her sin of "protecting India's sovereignty'' by Operation Blue Star, has no time to look into the grievances of Tamils... Is it not strange? Is not the killing of Indira Gandhi, who ruled India for 17 years and changed the face of India more heinous than killing of Rajiv Gandhi, who ruled for 5 years only and entangled himself in a lot of corruption cases?
Of course, no killing can be justified. It should be put to judicial process only.
You say you are not justifying the killing of Rajiv Gandhi, yet you are doing precisely that. Fact is the killing of Rajiv Gandhi was the turning point. How can you expect any sympathies from any Ind Govt. after that outrage. As I said earlier, in the good times, you didn't remember the Ind Govt. Now, in the bad times, you expect the Ind Govt to come running to save you. Why should they? For what reason? If the Tamil civilians are indeed being killed in large numbers purposely by the Sri Lankans, then the UN will take it up.
How can you compare the uncomparable. East Pakistan and Tamil Nadu - which world are you living? Tamil Nadu isn't ruled by the Central Govt. You have your own State Govt. Sri Lanka is a seperate country - it isn't a state of India. For your own self-interests and the interests of the LTTE, Ind Govt need to do anything. There are no grounds for rewarding terrorists who thought it fit to kill an Ind PM.
At last, the President, has in her Parliament speech on 12-2-2009 has stressed the need for halting the military action in Srilanka and need for settling the problem. This makes the Tamil population rejoice... that at least one, that too the President has cared for the welfare of Tamils. Continued neglect of Tamilians and indifference to their aspirations is not good for a developing country. When one man from a particular society can change the policy of the Government, 13 Tamil ministers in the central cabinet could not make the govt. atleast to look into the aspirations of their own people. It is a curse on the Tamil people.
Almost the LTTE has been completely routed. But throughout history, the Tamil honour has suffered severly and it will one day come back galloping and vanquish the enemies. The indifference of the whole world to the inhuman sufferings of Tamilians is strange. Just because Indian Govt. says so, have all the countries forgotten human rights? The present Indian govt. is premotivated by a very few selfish hooligans, who turn black into white and white into black. They will certainly one day understand the dubious behaviour of the authorites in the Indian Govt.
Even after complete routing, some comedians keep on saying "drop the arms and come to the table". Only the Lankan soldiers are killing the Tamil people and Tamils are hiding and running. Where does "drop the arms" come here?
Talk in Right Place : Indian Popular Political Site :LKAdvani.in/forum
LK Advani is not a pro-Tamil person. He never took up the cause of Tamils. Better to stay here.
No amount of revenge can match the sufferings of the Tamil people. All their curses will go to the Indian rulers first and then only to Rajapakshe.
Why the "Indian rulers?" When things were going well for the LTTE, nobody remembered the "Indian rulers" did they? Now that things are going badly, suddenly you remember the "Indian rulers?" How ironical!! If I remember correctly, there is no IPKF in Sri Lanka. If I remember correctly, the Sri Lankan Army fought the battle against the LTTE.
We have to analyse things only when there is a need. If everything is normal, what are there to discuss? Now IPKF is not in Srilanka, they were taken back in 1990 itself. Srilanka is fighting LTTE... with the help of Indian arms, Indian surveilance systems, etc... they get help also from China and Pakistan, which are India's enemies.
please don't claim to speak on behalf of all tamil people. talk about your own views.
anyway, their curses will first go to you. because you just talked and did not actually fight for them.
Did I ever say to you that I am speaking on behalf of Tamils? I am myself a Tamil and my words are the words of millions of Tamils. My policy shapes up on the basis of what is happening around me.
First, Sri Lankan Army vs LTTE is an internal issue. According to me India should not interfere. As we Indians used to say to Pakistan that Kashmir is integral part of India so Pakistan should not interfere. Likewise India should ignore any attempt to resolve Sri Lanka Tamil issue. I ask our politicians to give harmony to our home first, they we can share our tears for any neighboring homes. There are plenty of issues around the world where human rights are thrown out in air other than this Tamil issue, even in India we have troubles in the form of religion, caste, language, state-hood etc.
We, Indians should first need to be united in our internal harmony and growth. Should not fell as prey for fake emotional crocodile tears shed by politicians.
LTTE = LeT = JeM = Al Qeada. Any terrorist organization to be eradicated. LTTE is not geninue to Tamils. They killed tamils for their growth. Look back in history, LTTE killed all other Tamil groups leader in Sri Lanka in order to gain supremacy. Didn't they kill fellow tamils. They do not have ideology.
Mr.KRK's observations are contrary to natural justice.. In Kosovo and Iraq, recently, the killings were condemned by almost all nations. Citing LTTE, how long will you justify the genocide of Rajapakshe? LTTE is not the criterion in dealing with the Srilankan issue. As long as one of our caste/ race / religion is killed, we will say like this. Closing your eyes to the sins on our doorsteps will be treated as siding with the villains. For today's happenings, previous things wont be justifications. The Tamils are now affected and the ruthless barbarian Rajapakshe has planned to wipe out the entire Tamil people from Srilanka, which will never happen. Srilanka is the land of Tamils and those who came to occupy it later has no right to do like this. Keeping people like these in mind, Mr.Vaiko has uttered something dangerous. We should not try to swim against the tide, or we will be swallowed by the tide.
Ms.Shil1978 is certainly not living in this world. Tamilnadu is a state... Srilanka is another country.. all those are not subject for discussion.
Pakistan- West & East were another country in 1971 and India intervened to bisect that country and relieve the sufferings of the East Bengali people. The same criterion is not used in Srilanka's Tamils case.... because it is Tamils who suffer!
Killing of ex-PM is a criminal murder case, which has ended after sentencing 26 people to hanging. Even after that, why should unrelated people be killed? Did they come all the way to India to kill? The killers were trained in Europe as per reports of that period. They did not come from Srilanka.
The people of Tamilnadu and Srilanka are inter-twined by blood relations and it is natural that we rise up when our brothers are subjected to merciless genocide on a strange pretext.
Sri Lanka is another country - hence one cannot impose Indian views on them. One can only advise - as the UN is advising.
Killing of Rajiv Gandhi was admitted to have been the turning point - even by the LTTE themselves. They admitted it was a mistake. Why accept it was a mistake -- if it was not ordered by them. You are the one living in fools paradise by not choosing to face the reality of the culpability of Prabhakaran. Its the person who orders the killing who is responsible - then the poor brainwashed woman who carried out that dastardly act. Even Nalini was pardoned by Sonia Gandhi and her children. It speaks of the magnanimity of them, that they chose to forgive Nalini.
Genocide is a big word to use - look up the dictionary and understand the meaning. Learn about the term before you choose to use it at your whim and fancy. Everyone is concerned about the Tamil civilians in Sri Lanka, there is no debating point in that. But, I don't understand this fascination for a murderer that is Prabhakaran!!!
There is no example anywhere in the world that a whole community is castigated for a political murder.
Mahatma Gandhi, father of the nation, was killed by Hindu chavunists in 1948. The case ended with the hanging of the killer Nathu Ram Godse.
Indira Gandhi, PM for 17 years, who is responsible for a strong India was killed in 1984 by Sikh terrorists. The case ended after the hanging of killer Satwant Singh.
In the above cases, the killers were hanged legally and did not result in castigating a whole society to which the killers belong. In the case of Tamils only, some selfish elements, who feel that a vibrant Tamil society will be against their interests. They are ready to do anything to decimate the Tamil society.. and so the Tamils also.
No community was castigated for Rajiv Gandhi's killing. Fact demonstrated by the Gandhi family themselves when they took a humane view in the case of Nalini.
Once again, Sri Lanka is not India's colony. They are an independent country. One cannot impose your wish of a Tamil State within Sri Lanka.
By turning a blind eye towards Srilankan genocide of Tamils by the Indian Govt., the whole Tamil community feels alienated in their own country. If the Congress party loses the present elections, it will be due to the indifference in this issue.
For saving a whole country, we can sacrifice a small community. This present Indian Govt. is sacrificing the whole Tamil community to save the Srilankans. It could have sacrificed Srilanka and ensured the sovereignty of India. Indifference is the practice of all Congress Governments.
We can kill any number of people to ensure our existence, which the Srilankans are doing. The next turn is for Tamils to do that. Tamilians are known for their ferocity... In different periods, they have established their rule from Gangetic plains to Cambodia (Kamboja). Their pastime glory will certainly be revived one day.
Don't project yourself as the spokesperson of the Tamil people. Say you believe so and so - why the need to appear to speak for all Tamils?
If the Congress loses this election - it will be because of 100 issues - definitely not because of the Sri Lankan Tamil issue. Think logically and don't be driven by emotions!!!
No one is sacrificing any community. What do you propose - send in the Indian Army to Sri Lanka?? Is that what you want?? As I said before, Sri Lanka is not India's colony that they would stop their attempt to finish the LTTE at India's request.
You can advocate Tamil militancy - I don't know whose purpose that will serve. History has now shown that military options don't work in solving crises - only talks and discusion bear fruits!!! Not blowing up other human beings!!!
Last week, it is understood that the son of Velupillai Prabakaran, LTTE chief, Mr.Antony met Srilankan Tamils in Netherlands. On seeing the videos of wounded people suffering without medicine, even first aid, they wept openly and made Mr.Antony himself to weep.
This kind of response to the sufferings of hapless Tamils is missing in Indian leaders and they stick to the old saying "Rajiv killers... Rajiv killers..." What happens there is not fighting as widely reported... it is genocide, with one side killing and wounding unarmed civilians.
Indira Gandhi killers, ie., Sikhs last week held violent demonstrations for nominating Jagdish Tytler, as candidate for Parliament elections. HE is himself a Sikh, but accused of leading the killings Sikhs in 1984 after Indira Gandhi's death. Even after killing a great Prime Minister, and even after making their own man as Prime Minister, their anger has not subsided and they oppose all who are said to be anti-Sikhs.
This self-respect does not find place in Tamil leaders in Tamilnadu! They are blind to the Srilankan happenings. They are actively engaged in catching a glimpse of Sonia, Rahul and Priyanka Gandhi.. In this elections, they are sure to smell the mud. Their party may just wrap up and pack up from Tamilnadu.
Why do you just focus on "Indian" leaders. Do you have some kind of allergy to them? What about Tamil Nadu leaders themselves. What was Jayalalitha's position on the LTTE and Prabhakaran? Now, she's turned 180 degrees to mint votes, smelling a political opportunity. Its easy to blame India for everything. However, instead of constantly whining - provide some solutions. What is your suggestion - that India go to war with Sri Lanka?
At last, the cats are coming out of bags. Chief Minister Dr.M.Karunanidhi says that Prabakaran is his best friend and he is not a terrorist; if he is killed, the CM will regret. A Central Congress minister says, those are Karunanidhi's personal views; personal views of party leaders constitute party policies. Even now, Congress does not understand the ground situation in Tamilnadu. Even Ms.Jayalalitha, ex-CM has said that separate Ealam should be established, if there is no equality in Srilanka. Mr.Vaiko, Mr.Tirumavalavan, Dr.Ramadoss, P.Nedumaran, and K.Veeramani all are fully supporting the Srilankan Tamils. But Congress party thinks LTTE and Tamils are separate. They cant think how innocent civilians will be protected if LTTE is vanquished.
The only parties playing different tunes are BJP and Congress.
At last the political opportunists are coming to harvest votes in Tamil Nadu. The very same Tamil politicans you speak of were making opposite statements on LTTE just a while back. But, now they want to win - so they've changed their colors like the chameleon. You admire that quality in the Tamil politicians --- do you?
My politicians are not chameleons. In a war-ravaged country, things change faster than imagination. One Christian religious man (Kasbar, I think) came from Srilanka and explained the first-hand accounts of what is happening in Yeelam. That changed the hearts of many hard-liners, especially Jayalalitha. The war is going on for 25 years and the election & vote, you talk of is only now. The Srilankan govt. wants to wipe out Tamilians in the election period so that attention will be on elections only. But we are not so ignorant to differentiate between election and genocide.
While analysing an event, you should be with impartial heart. Pre-meditated analysis will make you look like siding with oppressors.
jayalalitha is targeting voters just like you - who would believe in her change of heart.
I am not such a person to be targeted by politicians like Jayalalitha. But she was CM for 10 years. Her words should not be taken lightly. After Karunanidhi, she will have no target to stay in politics. Atleast for this she will stick on. Moreover, she is very stubborn and will never change, if considerable proof is not provided to change her mind. Now, the happenings in Srilanka was explained by a Srilankan bishop... he explained what he saw there and she changed. Moreover, to change her mind, there are PMK, MDMK and others on her side. Only when she is convinced that her earlier stand was impractical, she will change.
My politicians are not chameleons. In a war-ravaged country, things change faster than imagination. One Christian religious man (Kasbar, I think) came from Srilanka and explained the first-hand accounts of what is happening in Yeelam. That changed the hearts of many hard-liners, especially Jayalalitha. The war is going on for 25 years and the election & vote, you talk of is only now. The Srilankan govt. wants to wipe out Tamilians in the election period so that attention will be on elections only. But we are not so ignorant to differentiate between election and genocide.
While analysing an event, you should be with impartial heart. Pre-meditated analysis will make you look like siding with oppressors.
The Srilankan President today (20-4-2009) has set 24-hour deadline for the surrender of LTTE's Prabakaran. If the civilian killings were meant to capture him he should have surrendered long ago. His continuous elusiveness means that he is arrogant and do not care for his people.
But we should not forget that he led a government for 26 years since 1983! No one in history has led an un-recognised govt. for such a long time except Dalai Lama! He led his govt. in his own land and cant be said as govt.-in-exile.
Let him die for his dreams... he will be one among heroes in Tamil history. But Tamilians are used to see their own men being hanged right from 1797! (Kattabomman).
For the last one year, the Srilankan military could not do what it says... closing in... will be over in a day or two.... he will be caught... he will be hanged... he will be handed over to India.... just to use the military and economic aid it receives from India, it is wantonly dragging on without tracing Prabakaran. Even whe IPKF was in Srilanka, they refused to hand him over to India... if caught alive... because he is their brother and he will be tried in Srilanka only. Without knowing their intentions, Indian govt. is wasting its resources.
It will be better if the whole of Srilanka is annexed to India.
Annexed - wow - are you living in a fantasy world??? Get real!!!
You are living in your own world of fantasy. Come to practical world.
In Pakistan, the Talibans want to take the whole of Pakistan and enter India, to take (annex) Kashmir.
If the Iraqis did not oppose the presence of US troops, they would have annexed it as the 51st state.
Wars and battles are meant for annexing others' territory. Here, to bring peace and equality in Srilanka, it is better if it is annexed. One of our politicians have already demanded it 18 years ago.
You're talking about world tamil solidarity like muslim radicals talk about ummah.
It's amazing to see you eulogizing a man who killed your own country's PM ? Despite tamils being treated equally by the constitution in India, you're siding with a killer just because he is a tamil. Shame on you ! Jayalalitha is against Prabhakaran. If he kills her - will you side with him ?
If any outsider kills any Indian - even an ordinary citizen, he should be finished off.
Your posts are full of inaccuracies.
Manmohan Singh did mention the "pagdi" issue to the French - but the French have not agreed. That does not mean that Indian government has broken relations with France. Sikhs living in France are of no importance compared to the country's good relations with France. What matters is that Sikhs enjoy all rights in India.
And Indian government did not intervene in Bangladesh to help Bangladeshis. Indian government intervened to break up and weaken our enemy - Pakistan. Do you think Indian government will send troops to save people in Darfur, Eritrea and elsewhere ?
Indian Sikhs had to face riots on Indira Gandhi's assasination. Did the Indian tamils face any riots on Rajiv Gandhi's assasination ? Even the rioting goons realise that outsiders were the assasins.
Mahatma Gandhi and Indira Gandhi's killers were individuals. That is why the communities were not held guilty. Similarly, Indian government is after Prabhakaran and not Srilankan tamils.
China and Pakistan are supporting Srilanka whole heartedly. Do you think it is wise for India to lose Srilanka's support ?
And don't quote politicians - karunanidhi has gone back on the statement you quoted.
And please stop tamil jingoism - tamil military past and all. Do you think others are any less ?
Anyway you should know that the concept of nation state is dying. Read up on Europe.
When Rajiv Gandhi was killed, he was not PM. He was just an MP. The killing is not correct as well as targeting the whole Tamils for that. A criminal case was conducted and 26 persons got death sentence for that. Is it not enough?
Jayalalitha as well as myself are against Prabakaran for his earlier deeds. But he only should be targetted.. not Tamils as a whole. Jayalalitha has promised that she will send the army to Srilanka and create a separate Tamil Yeelam.
Why don't you just say --- you supported the killing of Rajiv Gandhi. Why are you hiding behind convenient words and excuses. Sending army to another country would invite international implications.
You just can't invade another country - whatever the reason!!!! Live in the real world, not in a make-believe world.
Who would like a killing? Be it Rajiv gandhi or a layman.... It is a murder case and should be dealt with legally. I need not hide behind anything. Several ignorant people like you hide behind Rajiv Gandhi killing to oppose Tamilians' very existence.
India has already sent army to create Bangladesh out of Pakistan due to the compulsions prevailing at that time. India has also sent army to Sikkim in 1976 and annexed it, because of its strategic location and as there is a famous Himalayan pass, (Nathu La) which will give way to the Chinese. America, ie, USA has sent their army to Iraq, Afganistan and several parts of the world. What impact did they had on you?
Invading another country would be a political decision and we should not talk about that.
you may not be hurt by rajiv gandhi's killing. but most indians are. by treating his assasination in such a casual manner - you're being insensitive to the feelings of others. don't expect others to be sensitive to yours.
I repeat.. No one will like a killing be it Rajiv or others. Every killing should be dealt only by law and not by motivation of hatred against a particular section of the people.
Rajiv sent the IPKF to Srilanka to "defend" Tamils first. Then he changed his mind and engaged in decimating the Tamils. It is said that more than 40000 innocent Tamils were killed by our IPKF... for what? Have you ever heard of a 9-month pregnant woman was raped and killed in any civilised society? Should I not be sensitive to the sufferings of fellow Tamilians, be it Srilanka or anywhere else? What policy is this?
I think we are in India and that my country is India. If others are not sensitive to my feelings, I will feel alienated.
I think sovereignty of Srilanka overtakes our own sovereignty in this case.
trial of pawns is not enough. by your logic, all the WTC bombers in US had died in the attack. so there was no need to pursue osama - the brain behind that. is that what you're saying ?
and do you really believe jayalalitha will send army ? is the indian army and national policy at the beck and call of a state CM ?
karunanidhi has recently conducted a fake 6 hour fast. can't you see they are doing this only for a few additional votes ?
this nation and nationalism thing should be stopped. today they are asking for a nation on the basis of a shared language, tomorrow it could be on the basis of a shared religion or even shared caste. already there is a divide between tamil muslims and hindus in srilanka.
i think people should fight for their rights and not for nations. wherever you are, you should be treated a full citizen with all basic rights.
and even that fight should be rule based fight - no killing of political opponents and no suicide bombings in public places.
I have been closely watching the events in East Pakistan, now Bangla Desh in 1971. Nearly one crore refugees were in India and the economic burden seemed to exceed war expenses. All the intellectuals in Bangladesh were killed. Nearly one lakh people were killed by the army on the first day of its operation against its own people, (25-3-1971). Students in Dacca university were killed by tanks and heavy artillery....
And most to be referred to.. the people of West Bengal in India and East pakistan were emotionally and culturally intertwined like Tamilians in India and Srilankan Tamils. That is why India intervened. But there is now a need for a benevolent leader like Indira Gandhi for India. She gave military training to the Srilankan Tamil groups.. but her death ended the fate of those Tamils.
you're right. culturally it's a similar situation. but politically it is not. as i said earlier, it was in india's interest to break up pakistan. but it is not in india's interest to break up srilanka. emotions should not dictate policies.
india's first priority is india's well being - and that includes peace in tamilnadu.
I reciprocate your feelings. Our priority is India's well being. If it is so, Srilanka is very much against us. The Chinese are constructing a naval base on the eastern coast of Srilanka. That is why they are so much arrogant to defy even the US and UK. In 1971 war, with Pakistan, India stopped overflights from West Pakistan to east. Srilanka served as a link for their mobility. When almost the whole world voted against India in the UNO, Srilanka also joined them. (Nepal, Bhutan, Sikkim, Russia, Poland supported India). Russian veto saved us from UN sanctions. With such a neighbour, do you think India's well being is assured.
How can peace prevail in Tamilnadu when our brothers and sisters are killed, raped, starved, amputated? Only if we are affected, we will be able to feel the heat. And a govt. should fulfil the aspirations of its people, if it thinks the people are their citizens and not foreigners.
After Rajiv's killing, there were large disturbances in Tamilnadu and some other places. But taking lessons from Indira's killing, the govt of that day effectively prevented mishaps. MR.R.Venkatraman of Tamilnadu was the then President and he never slept for 2 days after Rajiv killing till the situation became normal. Please avoid telling our own story to ourselves.
Mahatma Gandhi's killers were members of RSS backed outfit. Likewise, Indira's killers were members were SGPC. That is why there were disturbances against the Sikhs in 1984 October. After Mahatma Gandhi's killing also, there were large disturbances targetting muslims. Prime Minister Nehru had to broadcast a message that the killer is a Hindu and not a muslim.
Everyone know that China and Pakistan are supporting Srilanka, because, even if they unitedly oppose India, they cant win. They have just chosen to play Srilankan card for India-baiting.
Srilanka is 1% of India and 16% of Tamilnadu. It can never match India or Tamilnadu. They cant lose India's support for their very survival.
I dont think other are less than Tamils.... I said Tamils (Indians) defeated others in the past and are ready to repeat the same when time comes.
Wont you agree that the winner is better and loser is less?
no, winner is not better.
winner is better - only on the day of the win. the very next day, the winner could be a loser. one can't top in class 10th and claim to be a topper throughout. get out of your false superiority complex.
and please read about rajputs, sikhs, gurkhas, etc.
Even if one loses on the second day of win, his pride of his earlier win will stay. And all his descendents will rise up to match their ancestors' pride.
Do not we feel proud of Rajputs even now? .... their 1000 year pride in ruling and defeating everyone around?
We really feel proud of Sikhs for their bravery. If they are not positioned there.. along Pakistan's eastern borders, India would have succumbed to invaders. Whenever Pakistan comes to war with India, almost all the muslim nations send men and material to help them. (In 1971 war, a fallen pilot was identified as a Jordanian). We can feel like this: 'let anyone come, our Sikh brothers will look after them'.
Gurkas dont know what fear is... their pride makes India proud.
If we fail to feel proud of our past glory, there will be no nationhood for any country.
China may support Srilanka, because its own hands are dirty on the Tibetan issue. Oppressors will join one another... it is natural. Tibetan account with China is sure to be opened at an appropriate time.
Pakistan is dying... whether it supports Srilanka or not does not matter. Talibans will swallow whole of Pakistan in the near future, only to hand over to India. Those who sowed sins will reap the sins.
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