ALEC may be the largest single source of evil in the United States. The acronym stands for American Legislative Exchange Council. It authored Florida's "stand your ground law" and engineered the introduction of similar laws in a number of other states. You may have suspected that Florida's law was introduced by ignorant yahoos. It was not. As outlined by Paul Krugman's column today, ALEC is funded by the Koch Brothers, EXXON-Mobil, et al. The organization is introducing bills in legislatures across the country to further the goals of its sponsors: union busting, tax breaks for corporations, privatization of prisons and schools and other public services, repeal of environmental protection laws and so forth.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/26/opini … ef=opinion
Why would EXXON want us all shooting ourselves?
ALEC works for EXXON on anti-climate change issues. It worked with the NRA to get stand your ground bills passed in 21 states. ALEC is a hydra-headed evil monster.
http://www.alternet.org/story/154689/ho … =1&t=5
besides...nothing eats oil faster than a really good war. Doesn't matter where, any place is just fine.
Exxon-Mobil could care less about guns. It funds ALEC to fight EPA regulations and to preserve the depletion allowance loophole. ALEC shills for the NRA on gun control issues. ALEC and NRA are responsible for writing "stand your ground" statutes in 25 states. ALEC is basically something out of Ayn Rand. Deregulate corporations and banks so that they can fxxk the poor and middle class.
Exxon(or the koch-******* wants to control you, Evan. Can you really not get your head around the "long game"
No, the largest single source of evil in this country is the Senate, closely followed by the president.
Yeah--the Repubs in the senate! Every single one of them voted for the Blunt amendment!
My god...anymore "freedom", from the "freedom pary", and we'll all be in jail!
Opinions are like axxholes. Everybody has one.
Who controls the senate, LCS? Do you honestly believe that they are acting out of complete free will?
""The number of shootings of all kinds, murders, drug wars, drive by shootings, accidental shootings, suicides, bar fights, car jackings, and so forth tells me that stricter controls on the manufacture, sale and use of handguns are badly needed. This is possible within the Supreme Court's interpretation of the Second Amendment.""
Really? Tell what law you would write that would actually stop any of that.
I would start with repealing all "must issue laws" and confine permits to carry handguns to people who can demonstrate special circumstances and needs to carry a handgun. A gun safety training requirement would be helpful. I would require that all handguns be sold with trigger locks. Large magazines would be illegal. Lists of people with handgun permits would be published on the Internet along with an invitation for anyone to furnish information about the individual that might indicate he should not get a carry permit. Possession of a handgun in a school, church, bar, courthouse or any other public building would be absolutely prohibited. Those are just a few items off the top of my head. I'm sure that I've barely scratched the surface.
Not one thing you suggested would have any effect on criminals or crime. It would only affect the law abiding, and not in a positive way.
Wouldn't it be easier to just shoot everyone carrying a gun, just like the US is doing in Iraq, Afghanistan, and wherever else is currently being trashed at the moment by US forces ?
ALEC is a giant step backward for the middle class and a giant step forward for the 1%.
the best thing is for as many people as possible to expose ALEC and to keep it in the light. The Koch Bros have already demonstrated that they freak out when they are investigated or looked at too closely.
"It authored Florida's "stand your ground law" and engineered the introduction of similar laws in a number of other states."
So you don't think Americans have a right to self defense? They should submit to criminals? You think standing up to thugs is evil?
Why do I suspect that you are also soft on crime?
Will, I believe in standing your ground when you have no chance to escape imminent deadly threats. One problem with FL's law, IMO, is that it's too vague. And in the Trayvon Martin case, Martin was trying to get away from Zimmerman, and Zimmerman was told by police NOT to follow him.
Of course Americans have a right to self defense. That right was established long ago in English common law. I don't think allowing every Tom, Dick and Harry walk around with a handgun is good public policy. The number of shootings of all kinds, murders, drug wars, drive by shootings, accidental shootings, suicides, bar fights, car jackings, and so forth tells me that stricter controls on the manufacture, sale and use of handguns are badly needed. This is possible within the Supreme Court's interpretation of the Second Amendment.
The problem with stand your ground law is--once they're dead...who can dispute you?
You become judge, jury and executioner. WAY too slippery a slope in a country that hands out guns like candy to any deranged individual.
Yes, NRA lobbyist brought the bill to the attention of ALEC after it was pushed through the Florida legislature while Jeb Bush was governor. It was a rather extremist NRA lobbyist, Marion Hammer, that presented the legislation to ALEC. It then used it as a model for other states. You have to wonder how one woman has so much power, (no, not really..) I can easily believe the Koch brothers are behind this 'network' of conservative state legislatures which have adopted the bill.
"FL Rep. Mark Pafford (D) on "stand your ground": "Every year, the NRA gets a gift."
Nothing surprising there. What bothers me is that people don't react.
All but Olympia Snow. Last Moderate left--on her way out: Now it's all Tea Baggers. Owned by Koch.
Deal with it!
I'm sorry to see Snow leaving. We need more moderates in the R party.
And Americans for Progress is trying to defeat two other principled Republican senators, Philip Lugar from Indiana and Orrin Hatch from Utah. I wouldn't call them moderates, but they are decent senators who are willing to work with Democrats in the national interest.
I'm puzzled at the lack of media coverage and lack of political dissent being expressed, while ALEC is being (seemingly) quietly rushed through. That makes me wonder if there's a Washington consensus that it may be needed very soon.
Does Washington expect some sort of major dust up shortly? Is Israel ready to have a go at the Iranian nukes? N. Korea...?
Nobody 'gives' guns to crazy people, and I don't understand the 'drunk' reference.
Gun buyers have to pass a background check, and that has been in place for years. Please know what you are talking about so you don't look so foolish.
Do buyers at gun shows have to pass a background check? How about if an idividual sells to another individual with no dealer involved?
All kinds of criminals and mentally ill people like Rick Perry are walking around with guns. The background checks aren't working.
So how do people like Loughner and Zimmerman get guns?
I could go on and on and on about idiots owning guns....How they do it?
and stop with the personal insulting --I know its hard for people on the right, but please try, mmmmmkay?
"Do buyers at gun shows have to pass a background check?"
A short answer that is not only untrue but also grossly misleading. In most states, only licensed dealers at gun shows are required to perform background checks. None of the many ‘private’ dealers who attend these shows perform any checks beyond the buyer’s residency.
In December 2010, Jared Lee Loughner shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ), a federal judge, a nine-year-old girl, and sixteen other people in Tucson, AZ with a semi-automatic pistol equipped with an illegal high-capacity magazine. About two weeks later, investigators attended a Crossroads of the West gun show in Phoenix, AZ “to see if they could purchase guns and high-capacity magazines without background checks. New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg (R/I) announced the findings at a news conference…indeed the investigators got their weapons easily.
Bloomberg played the disturbing videos at the press conference — first showing a gun purchase with no background check, and then showing a purchase of a gun even after the undercover investigator told the vendor “I probably couldn’t pass” a background check — and then blasted gun show sellers who “continue to flout the law” by selling weapons to people who “have no business buying them.” Bloomberg said the footage highlights the need for a “better system that respects the Second Amendment while upholding the laws designed to protect innocent Americans.” (1)
Anyone who claims that background checks are performed at gun shows, or that there is no need for further controls, should just watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWfGE93L … r_embedded
Opposition to stricter controls coming from the NRA, gun manufacturers, and enthusiasts is making it harder to keep guns out of the hands of the wrong people. Their reckless, macho, self-serving rhetoric promotes their own interests without expressing any empathy for the many victims of gun violence.
(1)http://thinkprogress.org/security/2011/ … ?mobile=nc
My understanding is that gun dealers at gun shows have to do background checks, but not individual sellers who are not registered gun dealers. Moreover, enforcement is lacking.
"The NRA participated in drafting the Castle Doctrine and supporting it through the process," Marion Hammer told Media Matters. Hammer was president of the NRA from 1995 to 1998, remains a member of its board, and is a longtime Florida lobbyist for the group.
In 2005, Florida Today reporter Paul Flemming reported on the "Stand Your Ground" legislation before it was passed, writing that the NRA "wrote the bill."
Asked again last week about the NRA's role, Flemming -- now at the Tallahassee Democrat and still covering the statehouse - reiterated that statement.
"There is no doubt about it. Marion Hammer, the NRA lobbyist here, former president of the NRA wrote the legislation and she would tell you so," Flemming told Media Matters.
"She is a very powerful lobbyist in the state house in Tallahassee and they pick a number of priorities in the legislature to go after," Flemming explained. "One was a couple of years ago, guns at work, they had the concealed carry previous to that and that year, in 2005, they wanted to take on the Castle Doctrine."
"You helped elect my brother"--Jeb Bush to the NRA before he signed the law.
NRA, AARP, AIPAC.....3 most powerful Lobbies. At least they were--don't know if they still are.
FYI Department: Exposing the ubiquitous Kochs . . .
http://truth-out.org/news/item/8152-how … 0-election
"I notice that the anti contraception and anti voting rights bills and anti union bills brought up in the Repub states at much the same time had much the same wording. I think the TPers elected in 2010 were not able to write legislation: hence ALEC "
Koch Brother Info/Ammo:
There is a song called Shadowland by Crosby Stills Nash and Young...it pretty well says it all: If I remember! Problem is--you have to buy it now to hear it, and thanks to HAPPILLI, I can't punch up the lyrics.
– The 47 senators voting against the bill have received $23,582,500 in career contributions from oil and gas. The 51 senators voting to repeal oil tax breaks have received $5,873,600.
– The senators who voted for Big Oil’s handouts received on average over four times as much career oil cash as those who voted to end them.
– Overall, Senate Republicans have taken $23.2 million in oil and gas contributions. Democrats received $6.66 million.
– Since 2011, Senate Republicans have voted seven times for pro-Big Oil interests and against clean energy three times.
getting boring by now....2-by-4, where ARE you?
FYI Department: ALEC Exposed's Lisa Graves Explains History Of The American Legislative Exchange Council on Media Matters Radio . . .
Henry Hyde?? That b*st*rd.....it figures.
Imagine....they started out to oppose people's rights....and now have gotten themselves classified as people!
"It's a big ole Club, and you ain't in it!"...Imagine the crimes under their belts....Edwin Meese must have been part of it too.
ohhhhhh, the burn of anger. Must turn it into something positive.
This is very interesting....and in here is proof that Geithner was indeed arrested! People were mocking me for stating it, but it was true.
http://eclinik.wordpress.com/2012/03/11 … -continue/
"Across the country, state branches of the Republican party are making a thinly veiled attempt to disenfranchise the young through “voting reform.” The trick is simple: Require government-issue photo ID before allowing somebody to vote. Eighteen percent of young voters don’t have current photo IDs. Scott Walker in Wisconsin has signed this “reform” into law. So has Rick Perry in Texas. Similar new rules are going forward in roughly thirty other states. Restricting out-of-state IDs is a natural next step, already under way: That way, thousands of college students won’t be able to vote. The Advancement Project, a civil-rights advocacy group, calls the move “the largest legislative effort to scale back voting rights in a century.”
wanna bet ALEC is involved??
Hey all you young women....like the freedom you have now to control your own reproductive life? Vote Democratic.
Hey all you young men....want to be foot the bill for your parents medical care, and skip going to college, unless your folks are very rich?
Don't buy the Quadrillion Dollar Hype that they are throwing your way!!
"The burden of the Romney-Ryan budget will be borne by those who can least afford it. Analysis of the Romney-Ryan budget by the non-partisan Center on Budget and Policy Priorities shows that the planned benefit cuts, such as the block granting of the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) would primarily affect low-income families with children, seniors, and people with disabilities, and could lead to a significant increase in hunger and poverty.
In Wisconsin, this translates to cuts of $1.89 billion to SNAP over the next 10 years; 844,000 program enrollees would be at risk of losing vital nutrition assistance at the same time their health care coverage is at risk and drastic cuts are made to public education – the single greatest tool for lifting children out of poverty.
At the same time, Scott Walker and his Republican Party have slashed a staggering $2.6 billion from public education and more than $500 million from healthcare programs to pay for $2.3 billion in tax giveaways to out-of-state corporations and the super-rich."
My daughter has seen the light....she has taken for granted the things we all fought for.
But....if we show them what will be taken away---there really is no choice at all.
It's self-preservation for them.
Unregulated capitalism and corporate power will lead to the fall of America. Once the American dream is destroyed there will be no more liberals and conservatives, just poor and hungry people with No constitutional Rights. The Military will offer food for guns because under Marshal Law there will be no right to bare arms. Then the people will see what they supported and allowed to happen and they and their love ones will suffer. I hope I'm wrong, but it look like I'm right,now.
Young women....: HEED!
"Romney had created "severe problems" for himself by promising to end funding for Planned Parenthood and by supporting the Blunt amendment, which would have allowed any employer -- not just religious institutions -- to ban contraception coverage on moral grounds."
He also wants to overturn Roe v Wade, and if he wins, he has his hands on the Supreme Court Button.
Think young women....you do not know what this would mean to you.
I just saw him say that "These people over here should not be taxed to take care of you" (Planned Parenthood).....
Is there some reason that women aren't entitled to tax money?? I mean, we DO pay into it too. Don't we?
And we do pay for wars, oil and gas welfare, viagra, and the salary Mitt is hoping to collect?
Is there something about women that makes them undeserving? Mitt?
look at these two....lol very cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N63OzsdL … re=related
"The situation we're creating for young people and future generations is that we're handing them a climate system which is potentially out of their control," he said. "We're in an emergency: you can see what's on the horizon over the next few decades with the effects it will have on ecosystems, sea level and species extinction."
"We can't simply say that there's a climate problem, and leave it to the politicians. They're so clearly under the influence of the fossil fuel industry that they're coming up with cockamamie solutions which aren't solutions. That is the bottom line."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 … ate-change
"Anything else you’re interested in is not going to happen if you can’t breathe the air and drink the water. Don’t sit this one out. Do something. You are by accident of fate alive at an absolutely critical moment in the history of our planet.” Carl Sagan
Apparently, Koch is smearing the maker of that film...he sent a tweet out asking people to pass that documentary on.
And Color of Change...the organization of Van Jones that Beck targeted....they are the ones getting the word out about Koch, and asking businesses to reconsider supporting Koch industries.
AT and T is next.
You see----sometimes actions do have consequences...for the better. If Beckles the Evil Clown had just let Jones be Green Czar...he would not have as much time to devote to Color of Change.
Either way--Jones is trying to making the world a better place. For his children, and all of ours.
The Senate minority who last week blocked a vote on ending Big Oil subsidies received more than four times the oil and gas contributions than the 51 senators voting to end them. Exxon Mobil, the world’s most profitable corporation, has helped preserve these and other loopholes for oil and gas by building a Washington force tied intimately to conservative lawmakers.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012 … _fact_coll
Another one bites the dust....another one bites the dust-- hey hey-- another one bites the dust....
http://www.rollcall.com/news/gates_foun … ml?pos=hln
Intuit and McDonalds the latest to leave ALEC.
Dominoes baby---they're falling like dominoes.
Same way advertisers are leaving Russsshhhhhh. The pendulum shifts when freedoms are restored!!
The Liberal voice, which was silenced for 8 years, has returned. Not to be smeared as anti-American traitor, but as the Real America!!!
"2 dpd cruisers and at least 4 officers at occupydenver protest outside ALEC meeting"
If you read conspiracy literature--they say that Denver is going to be the capital of NWO America.
"It looks like we are seeing the beginnings of the breakup of one of the most anti-democratic groups ever to foist itself on the American public. Slowly but surely the wheels are coming off the behind the curtain, under the rock organization known as ALEC as major corporations like Pepsi, Coke and Kraft Foods leave the group. Billing itself as the American Legislative Exchange Council, ALEC has done its best to stay out of the light because the work they do is best done in the dark and behind the scenes. Much like any group that pushes an anti-democratic agenda, they know that once exposed, they will not last long."
http://www.blogforiowa.com/2012/04/14/r … e-exposed/
"ALEC is no ordinary group but consists of radical right wing advocates who have written a group of laws which are at the ready to be presented to state legislators when the need arises within the states, so they don't have to write their own laws. The ALEC laws are the most radical right wing laws, such as we have seen in Florida with "Stand Your Ground" type laws. These laws were no doubt sold to corporate america to distance it from the like of its source to give it credibility. When the heat hit from the Trayvon Martin case, corporate america began to see that ALEC was no ordinary group. Wake up America, smell the coffee. There is much brewing that needs to be paid attention to."
"ALEC is rampant in VA, home of Eric Cantor and Bob Mcdonnell[aspiring to be VP]. Va. celebrates the Confederacy. Why can people not see what these people are trying to do?"
Businesses bail on ALEC
Embarrassed by Bad Laws
Published: April 16, 2012
A year ago, few people outside the world of state legislatures had heard of the American Legislative Exchange Council, a four-decade-old organization run by right-wing activists and financed by business leaders. The group writes prototypes of state laws to promote corporate and conservative interests and spreads them from one state capital to another.
The council, known as ALEC, has since become better known, with news organizations alerting the public to the damage it has caused: voter ID laws that marginalize minorities and the elderly, antiunion bills that hurt the middle class and the dismantling of protective environmental regulations.
Now it’s clear that ALEC, along with the National Rifle Association, also played a big role in the passage of the “Stand Your Ground” self-defense laws around the country. The original statute, passed in Florida in 2005, was a factor in the local police’s failure to arrest the shooter of a Florida teenager named Trayvon Martin immediately after his killing in February.
That was apparently the last straw for several prominent corporations that had been financial supporters of ALEC. In recent weeks, McDonald’s, Wendy’s, Intuit, Mars, Kraft Foods, Coca-Cola and PepsiCo have stopped supporting the group, responding to pressure from activists and consumers who have formed a grass-roots counterweight to corporate treasuries. That pressure is likely to continue as long as state lawmakers are more responsive to the needs of big donors than the public interest.
The N.R.A. pushed Florida’s Stand Your Ground law through the State Legislature over the objections of law enforcement groups, and it was signed by Gov. Jeb Bush. It allows people to attack a perceived assailant if they believe they are in imminent danger, without having to retreat. John Timoney, formerly the Miami police chief, recently called the law a “recipe for disaster,” and he said that he and other police chiefs had correctly predicted it would lead to more violent road-rage incidents and drug killings. Indeed, “justifiable homicides” in Florida have tripled since 2005.
Nonetheless, ALEC — which counts the N.R.A. as a longtime and generous member — quickly picked up on the Florida law and made it one of its priorities, distributing it to legislators across the country. Seven years later, 24 other states now have similar laws, thanks to ALEC’s reach, and similar bills have been introduced in several other states, including New York.
The corporations abandoning ALEC aren’t explicitly citing the Stand Your Ground statutes as the reason for their decision. But many joined the group for narrower reasons, like fighting taxes on soda or snacks, and clearly have little interest in voter ID requirements or the N.R.A.’s vision of a society where anyone can fire a concealed weapon at the slightest hint of a threat.
In a statement issued on Wednesday, ALEC bemoaned the opposition it is facing and claimed it is only interested in job creation, government accountability and pro-business policies. It makes no mention of its role in pushing a law that police departments believe is increasing gun violence and deaths. That’s probably because big business is beginning to realize the Stand Your Ground laws are indefensible.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/17/opini … r=1&hp
Remarks By Governor Jeb Bush At The 2003 NRA Annual Meeting:
"You all should be just as proud of your involvement in the 2000 election, because if it were not for your active involvement, it is safe to say that my brother would not have been elected President of the United States. And things could have been completely different as it relates to the role of the United States in the world."
Pressured by watchdog groups, civil rights organizations and a growing national movement for accountable lawmaking, the American Legislative Exchange Council announced Tuesday that it was disbanding the task force that has been responsible for advancing controversial Voter ID and “Stand Your Ground” laws.
ALEC, the shadowy corporate-funded proponent of so-called “model legislation” for passage by pliant state legislatures, announced that it would disband its “Public Safety and Elections” task force. The task force has been the prime vehicle for proposing and advancing what critics describe as voter-suppression and anti-democratic initiatives—not just restrictive Voter ID laws but also plans to limit the ability of citizens to petition for referendums and constitutional changes that favor workers and communities. The task force has also been the source of so-called “Castle Doctrine” and “Stand Your Ground” laws that limit the ability of police and prosecutors to pursue inquiries into shootings of unarmed individuals such as Florida teenager Trayvon Martin.
The decision to disband the task force appears to get ALEC out of the business of promoting Voter ID and “Stand Your Ground” laws. That’s a dramatic turn of events, with significant implications for state-based struggles over voting rights an elections, as well as criminal justice policy. But it does not mean that ALEC will stop promoting one-size-fits-all “model legislation” at the state level.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/167425/al … mailNation
Former ALEC Supporters Now Find Connection Toxic . . .
http://truth-out.org/news/item/8649-for … tion-toxic
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