If I lord the scripture over you, is that not exactly as the pharisees, scribes and Sadducee did, which resulted in the crucifixion? If I love you without the scripture telling me to, is that not more pure?
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I just don't know what your point is. Read this 3 times.
Point is Eric, JESUS used Scripture & aren't we "supposed to be" like HIM?
You got me there, but I do not wear sandals and a robe. And Jesus did not cite the old testament He spoke it. He was a scholar of the old testament. He did not use it as the point He used it to emphasize a point. He did not teach the old testament.
Eric,Jesus believed theOldTestament was divinely inspired,veritable WordofGod.He said,‘The Scripture can't be broken’(J10:35).He referred to Scripture as‘the commandment of God’(Mtw15:3)&as the ‘Word of God’(Mk 7:13).&indestructable, Mtw 5:18
No doubt about that. But I cannot find a reference to him citing a verse. Repeating it and referencing it yes but not giving a citation. He knew his audience. I want to know what he thought and he provides that. I can read.
Citing a verse&reciting are the same thing.He wrote them,why would he give chapter&verse.A simpleGoogle search will tell you he quoted from the old testament often.http://blog.biblia.com/2014/04/which-old-testament...
No. The distinction between citing a verse and restating it for the audience is huge. Jesus' "parishioners" would not have a clue if he just cited a number verse. My point is that he talked about it without showing off the numbers he memorized.
Erick I can assist in the reference Jesus uses and read from the old testement.
One is Lu 4:18“Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me ...
Jesus Quotes : Isa 61:1, 2
Jesus Quote: Mr 12:36
Quotes Mt 4:4
Eric, what are you saying, why would anyone cite chapter and verse back then? It's not like they all had the Torah in their hands to look it up.He is the Living Word of God,fully God&yet fully man,who came to reveal God to man and redeem all
Sorry Norine I cannot understand you. I will probably delete as nonsensical. You do not get it do you?
Great to bring the greatest Thumper into this. And if you know rabbits you know it can get obnoxious. Your message is powerful in it's positive approach.
IF u r a believer, u KNOW II Tim 3:16 "ALL" Scripture is "inspired by GOD" & HE is not man that HE should LIE (Num 23:19)! I ask, what would u rather have for Salvation, 1's opinion or the WORD OF GOD? A lot of "rabbits" here thumpn v studyn!
Jesus himself read from the scrolls.
Lu 4:17 So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written:
Jesus read from God's word.
Isaiah also has God's personal name
Jehovah is HIS name forever which means "Was, Is, & Is to Come" or "I AM!" That name is His Characteristics which means EVERYTHING including ALL in Is 9:6!
Under New Covenant (where we NOW live), Philippians 2:9-11 applies & U will bow to JE
Interesting. You make a lot of sense. The Socratic method works for varied results. I give pause and wonder if the Bible only speaks to the discerned as you describe.
My policy is...if you're going to quote the Bible, know the Bible. Simply reciting scriptures you've read shows me nothing. Often they are taken out of context. Know the history and then you start to understand the real meaning behind it.
If our friendly "Bible Thumpers" followed your advice they would be well advised to give it time and let the good news soak in before spewing like they would any reference book. For me it is just plain interesting and fun to learn about the good book
And that is why in Luke 10:18 where Jesus said I saw Satan fall like "lightning from on high" it sounded just like BARAK O BAMAH.
Read: Did the Bible loose the moral of the story after all translations? Ex: "Eye of a needle"camel or (if perceived) person going thru needle, still "hard!" I then ask, do u not blv in Holy Spirit & HE can "lead & guide 1 into ALL truth?" WA
After many translations, Norine, you have inherent translator bias. Happens when u translate from one language to another, let alone through several before English as the Bible has. So, yes, the moral of story has changed - 2 fit the time of translat
"To fit the time of translation"
I would add to fit their religious doctrinal beliefs as well. The one with the money and power for the translation can guide it's meaning. The history of the King James translation is a perfect example.
Let me tell u guys the "secrets" of discerning chgs of Bible! 1) Holy Spirit guidance; 2) Matt 18:16; 3) Deut 19:15; 4) 2 Cor 13:1! As they chgd Matt 28:19 & added I Jn 5:7-8 to "witness," Holy Spirit reveals!
Why worry? Unless u don't believe Scripture? Did not Jn 16:13 say HE would "guide us into ALL truth?" U don't "believe?"
U ALL "talk" a good "talk," but where is your "belief?"
So a cop who cheats on his wife shouldn't be allowed to arrest murderers? Where will you spend eternity? In Heaven with the virgin-born, Son of God, Jesus the Christ OR in hell with the Kenyan-born son of a pornstar Obama the Antichrist?
A cop who cheats on his wife arresting a murderer has zero relevance to anything I said. As to where I will spend eternity, that is not your question to ask me.
How can a cop who doesn't live a perfect life give out a speeding ticket with a straight face? I am a sinner lost, but for Jesus, telling others the only way to eternal salvation.
Policing is a job. Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, and even atheists can do the job. If the job does't require Jesus, then doing the job shouldn't be compared to being "holier than thou." A cop without God is a cop. A cop outside the law is criminal
"in a judgmental way" says it all. Remember the cop is not the judge. Quoting the Bible can be fine -- it is how it is done that really matters.
U need to learn WORD! I find no man in Scripture 100% but JESUS! Good luck in your belief!
There is some beauty with age. I know that most of it is hesitation and clay feet. But some is in the beauty of watching forms of nothing take shape into something. We get to see flowers bloom from the bud on. We are not just awestruck by the rose.
Age is also a time to appreciate every late sign of youth left in us - and like in my case, create it out of a thin air. Inspired by nothing but a sheer love for life, and a boyish curiosity to see what else I can be. Yes, with a dash of defying.
Guys: If 1 loves GOD, 1 will do as He says - Point Blank! May appear "ignorant, fanatic, paranoid, critical, shallow," etc., but have Scripture to back up! What do u have? Prove ur love when Scriptures "cited" proves GOD'S LOVE! Satan does "laugh!"
Norine: One difference between us is that Eric and I are human beings, and you are a schizoid robot programmed with one book, constantly bumping into reality of your mental illness and trying to sugar-coat it with Scriptures. Wake up.
Vlad: WOW! U continue to reveal yourself!
Read Jn 15:18-27!
You've proven again: "No one "hates" WORD like "SATAN!"
Naptime! Going to "rest" (peace) w/"Faith" in JESUS!
See u soon - SATAN!
Love your "handle"! it's befitting! The "Smog"="tsmog!"
Eric: What did I tell you? The guy is just a hopeless case. I hope to meet you again at a question where he is not advertising his catalog of verses. I wish I knew what's eating him so much that he is resorting to this fanaticism. Bye for now.
Vlad: SATAN (and anyone who condones his actions) has ALREADY been defeated and has been proven again!
You can't win so why try? You've been defeated! Fight against the HS? R u kidding? Get Real!
Norine: I love God, I love Jesus, I love life, I am a happy and robustly healthy 71, free-thinking man, enjoying beautiful things of life, with many friends, including Jesus and God. I don't hate you, hate spoils my digestion. Bye.
Val: Easily spoken but fm ur comments, not so! Jn 14:15;23 Jesus said, "If U love me, keep my commandments."
If not, you've proven yourself - SATAN (Jn 8:44)!
Well put Diane. We need to keep it "faith age" appropriate. Love will handle that if we allow it.
No need to lead someone into "twisted doctrine!" Still sin!
Who is the fool?
A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.
Proverbs 29:11 A fool gives full vent to his spirit, but a wise man quietly holds it back.
Diane: ALL that have been "bewitched" with "twisted doctrine" as JESUS stated in Galatians Chapter 3!
Prov 18:2 does apply to u guys "no pleasure in understanding..his opinion," so does Prov 29:11 "to his spirit"
I repeat WORD so who's the fool?
Norine, thank God no one is taking you seriously. I have never met a Jehovah's Witness to be as mean spirited and arrogant as you. Thank God no one is paying attention to you.
D: They will WISH they had! Being "RELIGIOUSLY CORRECT" will NOT save 1, only TRUTH in HIS WORD!
U wish I was JW!
IF u had Holy Spirit discernment, u would KNOW!
U need to "go back" & "WAIT" (Acts 1:4); otherwise, LOST!
Tim: I Cor 3:6 "I have planted, Apol'pos watered, BUT GOD gave the increase."
Great advice: "Suggestion: Stop...Pause...Ponder (Acts 17:11)!
"Beliefs are 'not' stagnant; . . they change.." (II Cor 3:18) "But we all...chg fm glory to glory.."
Most excellent. Really good food for thought. I look forward to a hub on this. How can I have a degree in Philosophy and I still had to look up a posteriori -- I like it. A better way of saying deduction.
Eric: With HS no need to "look up" for He "reveals!" Try Him v Philosophy!
Tim: R no need to continue "pondering" for He will "lead & guide u into ALL truth" (Jn 14:26; 16:13)!
After the hundreds of posts you have made mentioning the Holy Spirit, it has become very apparent that you OFTEN confuse your personal thoughts as though it was the Holy Spirit. A common problem with those that believe the Oneness doctrine.
Rich: U no I never knew of Oneness doctrine prior to HP then Googled! "Revelation"=Day of Pentecost (1st CHURCH) & after; Acts 2:42 or the Gospel of Christ (Gal 1:6-9)! Gal 1:12 "Didn't get fm man.." Matt 28:20 we were told to OBSERVE apostles-rt
You are attempting to brow beat with excessive out of context quoting of scripture, another thing you do a lot. Twisted comprehension of scripture is not the Holy Spirit teaching but your own incorrect thoughts.
Rich: "Out of context" or "Out of ur interpretation?" Matt 28:20 we were commanded to "OBSERVE apostles;" Acts 2; 1st CHURCH estab; "observation should begin; Acts 2:42! Do we?
If not Gal 1:6-9="ACCURSED!"
Having only 250 characters is hard enough then Your out of context lack of comprehension makes it very hard to have a conversations. You bounce from one thing to another. Pick one point and see if others agree. You might learn something.
Rich: 1 Point: Did Jesus not tell us to OBSERVE apostles (Matt 28:20)? Yes, I can read! What did apostles do AFTER Christ's ascension? Read Acts 1 & AFTER! Baptize in JESUS' Name. Do u do that? Resolve this "Point!" Do u?
No!U might learn somethi
There are three appeals for argument - Logical (Logos), Ethical (Ethos) & Emotional (Pathos). At question when quoting verse for argument is which of those is intent while considering which of those is conjured. Then enters a priori & a poste
Tim: Stop being so philosophical & speak n communal terms for those of us who r "uneducated" (according to man)!
There is no "argument" here, if one believes for GOD has spoken!
John Wesley, the famous revivalist and theologian in 1756 delivered “An Address to the Clergy”. Among the various qualifications that Wesley thought a good minister should have, one was a basic knowledge of philosophy.
Tim: U've proven my point, again! Man would rather rely on 'his' understanding (Prov 3:5) than what the Holy Spirit said He would do "lead & guide us into ALL truth" (Jn 14:26;16:13). I BELIEVE! So, it doesn't matter what 'man' says, ONLY GOD!
Norine with all due respect you yourself are being philosophical with your own reasoning as argumentative discussion. After all that is what the question is about is it not. Remember you do not own my beliefs nor I yours. I seek not to change yours.
Tim: Nor I yours! You've missed the point! Although you may not understand such, if 1's a BELIEVER (n GOD) 1 must "obey" His commands & "teach all nations" (Matt 28:19). Therefore, not trying to "shove my belief down anyone's throat," but obey!
Norine, know that I do not hate you. I gave up hating about 20 years ago. It is fruitless.
N; Matthew 28:20 does not say obey the apostles. Matt 28:20 comes right after 28:19 where its says to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, yet you don't like that verse do you?
Eric: GOD'S def of "hate" is not man's def. If I BELIEVE, & u don't, u "hate" me! U've proven that trying to "get rid of me" or proving wrong or "out of context," rather than considering the dispensation n which we NOW Live-NC! Jn 15:23!
Wow Norine -- that quote says: "Whoever hates me hates my Father as well." Are you considering yourself as our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? Take it easy. I love you, you are worthy of my respect. I do not hate you.
Joh 15:23 "Whoever hates Me also hates My Father. The scripture is in reference to Jesus not us. I would hope none are claiming to be Jesus. It would seem some believe in a different Jesus but that is another story.
Eric/Rich: Scripture says ONE SPIRIT (Eph 4:4-6; I Cor Chapter 12) & either 1 is in or out & can perceive whatever!
Where do u guys stand?
What is your point Norine? You quote scripture, we read it, it doesn't imply what you want it to, you quote more scripture. You are the perfect example that His words are not yet to be written where He said He would write them.
Norine get your discourse under control. Calling someone a hypocrite is unacceptable. Doing it with a question mark changes nothing. Do not make yourself a fool..
Eric: Why try to use Scripture against Scripture ="fool!" (No Q mark!)
Read Gal Chptr 3! It starts out w/Word "FOOL" & since I AM part of that SAME "ONE SPIRIT" I AM an heir!
Eric: "Out of context" or "Out of Religion's interpretation?"
Satan is laughing!
Who can argue=Christ died, Promised HS to Help, Sent, Told us to OBSERVE apostles, & told us if we didn't we would be "Accursed!"
Does Scripture not say this?
Norine I pray for you
Eric: Please don't! I give TRUTH & IF u know Scripture, u know what I've posted is TRUE! It's only against ur man-made belief which u r to prideful to admit; therefore, I Jn 2:16 applies! If not fm the Father, fm whom? SATAN!
Norine let me try this real straightforward. I know scripture and I know the Holy Spirit. (I don't shame it by abbreviations) I disagree with you. That does not make me wrong and you right. It is that simple.
Law: We have "freedom of choice" (Josh 24:15), but GOD KNEW how we'd choose fm beginning (predestined)! Making WORD "inoffensive" is against WORD! Heb 4:12 says IT (WORD) "cuts" which feels very offensive! HS is always "in context!" Remainder: Above
Lawrence thank you for that thoughtful answer. Wouldn't it be cool if we had all the answers now, so we could stop learning? No it wouldn't. Every day I like to learn something new and learn something old and change my mind. Happy New Year!
Eric: We will NEVER "have all the answers now," (I Cor 13:12), but the wonderful thg about It, we have a HELPER (HS) & if we "ask" (Jm 1:5), He will give answer!
Today, U have "learned something new..." I like ur open mind re: WORD!
Lawrence, I see the distinction of using scripture as to show where one is coming from and using it as argument. I avoid arguments because I realize that we may all have different ideas and attitudes about these things. Happy New year.
PF: U r against Scripture the only thg that is TRUTH by saying "I realize that we may all have different ideas and attitudes about these things!" "True Worshipers" should be one ONE ACCORD! Did Paul not "withstand" (argue w/) Peter (Gal 2)?
Norine: I forgot to make my "good-bye" a little funny. You said how you "may be a religious fanatic, but you have Scriptures to back you up". Now, it's like an alcoholic saying: "I may be an alcoholic", but I have my wine to back me up". Bye now.
Val, please quote to Nor the verse of "Old Fellas 1:3---for those of ye that fail to take ye life as but a journey of self discovery, and not one of mind controlled experience---wake up and Smell the Roses, before it's too Late!!!"
Thank you Allen, you are like a breeze of fresh air in this highly unhealthy atmosphere. As always, it's a pleasure to hear from you.
Vlad: No! He displays ways of drunkenness to back him up v I display benefits fm the Holy Spirit (WORD) to back me up! Consider "the effects!" Stay! U might learn something!
Ali: I see u guys r on "ONE ACCORD" w/SATAN!
BELIEVERS: Why can't we be?
Norine: Thank you for the offer, but there is nothing that someone like you could possibly teach someone like me, because I have no plans to go nuts. With thousand non-fiction books, and decades of meditation, I would be an idiot to consider it.
Val: U'd be a "fool" not to consider it! Eternity in (the lake of fire) hell is a looooooooong time!
JL: Human 'love' is not forgiving, holds grudges,etc. Rm 8:7-8; II Tim 3:5;
Human 'love' is not Agape "love" but Phileo 'love' which is not GOD'S Spiritual "love!"
If 1 "loves"GOD,he keeps His commands & "teaches all nations" (Matt 28:19) w/WOR
Jacqui, what marvelous words of tolerance and love. We Christians have much to learn from our friends who are not. And I hope it is the other way also. Perhaps the purest love that man can show is that which is his alone.
Eric - thanks. I agree
Eric: R u an atheist? U've created ur own def of love? Then proclaim "Christianity?" U hypocrite!
I expect this of them, but 1 that proclaims "Christianity?" There's no other word - Hypocrisy!
Nor, did you even read my answer? Your style of beating people around the head with screeds of unintelligible scripture turns more people AWAY from Christ than to Him.
And name calling is childish
Norine you have lost certain things and one of them, most regrettably is love. I pray for you.
JL"unintelligible scripture?" (Jn 8:44) Unbeliever, why r u here? Satan's advocate? If yes, U've already been defeated!
Eric: Until ur def of 'love' aligns w/GOD'S, don't speak it to me nor "pray for me" for I don't need prayer from Satan!
Nor - you abbreviate so much your answers make little sense - to believer and non alike. I'm here to learn, not be beaten around the head with scripture. But hey, you'd know that if you'd read my answer. Again with the name calling?
JL: IF u were here to "learn," U'd listen instead of calling "judgmental" when WORD judges, not I! Who says we're not to judge-not WORD! I Cor 6:3 "Do u know we will judge angles?" So who is man?
gathering you may have read the answer this time. Being called a sinner or fool by someone who is NOT God is judgemental. It's not word. Quoting screeds of scripture makes it difficult to learn from you, becus it lacks context. Thanks 4 trying.
Jacqui, if there is a Christian version of Taliban, u can expect Norine to be somebody who join it and become a suicide bomber, :D
Peter - Ha!
I'm just saddened for people like Nor, who do not realise that their behaviour is turning more people away from the God they wish to encourage people to seek out. It's not the unbelievers - it's the over zealous.
The understanding of that gospel truth differs depending on how God's "products" perceive the scripture. Those that believe and read their bibles don't question what they read, but what others "imply" into what is written.
Rich: "that gospel?" (Gal 1:6-9) "perceive" the Scripture?" (Prov 3:5) "Imply?" (Is 55:11) IT IS WRITTEN!
Word: "rather humorous?" Explain!
Yes, "Be careful," because not of Norine but the WORD of GOD, which she gives & believes Jer 23:1!
Everything you quote (usually out of context) is YOUR perception that it applies. Knowing when to apply what is written takes discernment, something that seems to evade your interactions for some reason.
Whoa, this is a new term I have not reconciled with previous understanding. A human "gives" the word? Please give explanation. I would love to give the word.
Rich: Any "fool" knows Christ died, told us before ascension to "OBSERVE" apostles (Matt 28:19), Promised HS to help (Jn 14: 26;16:13), Sent HS Acts 2:2; but BEFORE-chose Paul to finish work (Acts 9:15)! R u "OBSERVING?" If not, Gal 1:6-9!
Pointing out that we are Fools and hypocrites doesn't sound very much like the Jesus of Scripture. In fact there is caution about calling people fools. Your self actualization has gotten a bit out of hand. Read 28:19
Rich: As part of that ONE SPIRIT!If Paul says "Fool" (Gal Chptr 3) GOD doesn't deny me! "Hypocrites?" Matt23:26
Eric: Prophets (men) gave WORD in Scripture because JESUS has always used us (men/Paul Acts 9:15) as His hands & ft since He's SPIRIT
Shall I define that spirit you are part of or just let you remove any doubt in everyones minds?
"But whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire."
So Norine Williams a humble and simple servant of the lord you have been chosen to lead us?
Eric: If u were "filled with the Holy Spirit," U wouldn't have to ask!
Did He not say He would "lead & guide us into ALL truth?"
Either U believe or not!
He (Jesus) said the Holy Spirit would lead and guide us.
Rich: And what better ONE to know that He would, since He was speaking of Himself (Jn 14:26="...in MY (JESUS') NAME...")!
U can't deny Scripture or of SATAN!
Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
This doesn't say Jesus is the HS or that He is God.
Rich: U r so complacent in "tradition" even when given Scripture, u refuse to obey! My GOD! U cont to say "I say" when all I do is repeat WORD! U cont to call "my spirit" as 1 of Satan although I give WORD! Therefore, I ask, "What spirit is in u?"
The common MO of spiritual manipulation is isolate “proof texts” + “cherry pick” them to persuade the credulous that their interpretation is right even to the extent of claiming they alone hear from God having “the truth” and everybody else is wrong.
"Cherry pick" chrono events of NT! Christ born, ex on earth fulfilling some law, Promised HS, DIED, comm OBSERVE apostles & WAIT, HS came, do we OBSERVE apostles r "WAITED?" If so, don't baptize in F,S, & HS they didn't! "Cherry Pick" that!
Interesting answer. For some reason atheists quoting the Bible does not seem wrong to me. There is faith and there is knowledge of the Bible. One does not require the other. Certainly there are degrees of understanding and one should recognize it.
"One does not require the other." We don't need theBible?How in the world did u come up with that?Show where,cause blind faith is not in the Bible,I quote"without faith it is impossible to please God,""Study to show thyself approved unto God
Easy buddy. There are plenty of Biblical scholars that are not Christian. Especially Jewish ones.
Barack H. Obama said "Be still and know that I am God!" without citing chapter & verse.
That is amazing. But it does not surprise me at all.
Who is this Kevin & where does Obama fit in? GOD! Take it easy man ur roots r showing! The ONLY TRUE WORDS spoken r fm Bible & IF u don't believe that, u r not a TRUE WORSHIPER!
Paul that speaks to my heart. Very cool indeed. Thank you much.
Eric: Being facetious against WORD="BLASPHEMY!"
Hilarious 2 u because u don't know the POWER of GOD (HS)! GOD (aka JESUS) has ALWAYS spoken thru ppl & Paul is no exception!
Yes, "very cool indeed" & you're welcome for ALL I tell is TRUTH (WO
Norine surely you jest in using that scripture to prove your point. The heading for that chapter is "benefits of Wisdom" and/or "Wisdom bestows well being". Perhaps you did not read the entire chapter or you are just pulling our leg.
Eric: I give so many Scriptures, which one? Prov 3:5?
GOD'S "WORD will not return void" (Is 55:11)!
If IT IS WRITTEN, IT IS SO!
Do u wish to cont "leaning to YOUR OWN understanding?"
R u trying to find justification for doing so?
King: Amen! I didn't understand "If I lord scripture over U" either! "Lording Scripture" over 1 is what Scripture says we should do (II Tim 3:16) & why he's so "far" fm WORD!
Thanks, your comment makes more sense than my question. I like how you word your position and think it makes a lot of sense.
Eric: HS told me to tell u: I Jn 2:15-17 (v16) "For all that is n the world, the lust of the flesh, & the lust of the eyes, and THE PRIDE OF LIFE, is not of the Father, but is of the world."
Read vs 15-17!
Well Norine, if you are having direct conversations with God then you don't need the Bible do you?
Eric: Stop "playing!" The WORD is GOD & I don't need GOD (aka JESUS/Holy Spirit)?
Being facetious underminds GOD=BLASPHEMY!
Funny? U think?
GOD will remember!
U should "STUDY" (II Tim 2:15) as those n Acts 17:11 rather than remaining "complacen
Norine, I think you got me. I do think you are funny. Funny is good it makes us laugh and be happy. The biggest problem is with your citations. I checked 20 of yours and they do not say what you say they say.
Well, I'm sorry if u use a "version" not according to revelation fm HS! U should have "WAITED" (Acts 1:4)! Say that's not there!
Rich: Were we not commanded to "OBSERVE apostles" (Matt 28:20)? MOST believe everything but, saying, "If Jesus didn't say it, not so!"
Acts 2 when 1st CHURCH estab, AFTER His ascension, is where "observation" should began! Do we? If not, Gal 1:6-9!
Rich, you remind me of that song: Peaceful Easy Feeling. The more I read and get comfy the more the citations escape me. From my old life, I can liken it to learning code sections which through time just morphs into knowing the law.
That is YOUR incorrect take on things as usual. Cut and paste coming from you is nothing but confusion and discord. Again your thoughts not the work of the Holy Spirit as you claim.
Rich: I've done what HS asked of me & my hands r clean! It is up to ALL to STUDY "..to see if these thgs r so" (Acts 17:11)! They called JESUS everything & He said that u would hate me because u hated Him 1st (Jn 15:18)! Expected!
Hey Norine, what version of the Bible do you use? So maybe we can get on the same page. I have 7 different in print from Vulgate to New English so I can follow you. Do you have a Coptic Bible, Hebrew?
I've got a question. If we're spending time 'in the WORD' then won't it come out in what we write? If someone queries it then we can give 'chapter and verse' but doing it at the start, isn't that arrogant? 16,000 denominations can't be all wrong?
Law: "16,000 denominations can't be all wrong?" Really? Remember: Eph 6:12; Jn 10:10; Matt 7:13-14! Satan is shrewd! He has used RELIGION to KILL & believers (?) follow as sheep being led to slaughter!
Satan is ELATED!
Mano o Mano I hate being called a sheep -- but better than the wolf dressed like one. Maybe 35,000 denominations. Only a few have someone who talks directly to Jesus. We here should call ourselves blessed.
Eric: U can call urself whatever but TRUTH if u don't do as commanded in Matt 28:20 & OBSERVE apostle AFTER Acts 1 when 1st CHURCH was estab (where observation begins), & believe any other gospel (Gal 1;6-9) u don't KNOW JESUS & will be "
They did a lot of things to Jesus but until you get hung on a tree I wouldn't insinuate what you do. By the way no one hates you. Not agreeing with what you think is not hate. You generate and control everything that happens. A strange spirit indeed.
Norine -- which version of the over 250 different versions of the Bible do you study to learn the WORD?
Eric: Shoe fits wear it. Now I know U don’t KNOW JESUS if u’ve never heard His voice. Blessed? (Is 5:20)! KJV.Rich: If u hate His WORD & I love It, u hate me! U have “a strange spirit indeed”not 2 do what He said “OBSERVE” apostles (Matt28:20)
Nor - please answer his question re: version of Bible - as I'm also curious (This atheist even owns a couple) - I've been reading these answers with interest as I like to learn. Knowing which version you use will be helpful to me in understanding u.
I've a hub coming out (probably later tonight) called "The hardest parable" read it then call us sheep!
Jaqui I really wanted to answer your question but it got taken down.
Norine, you still didn't answer my question!
Lawrence - I took it down. Posted too quickly in a weird mood. Thought better of it. Sorry!
JL:KJV worst version=man! HS "leads & guides" me. Version irrelevant.
Law: My resp comes fm WORD= I didn't say IT, but GOD!
This? "If someone queries it then we can give chapter & verse but doing it at the start, isn't that arrogant?"(I Pet
Norine, repeating something you don't understand is common but claiming hate because others disagree with you is reaching for an excuse to be wrong. You attempt to echo Christ but your message is distorted and skewed by yourself.
I got the impression that someone wants to be hated and persecuted. The reasons are clear.
Loneliness cries for attention in different ways.
Nor - so it's KJV? Or are you embarrassed by the version you do use? I've got one in KJV, so if that's yr version, we might finally be able to follow yr thoughts. If not KJV - it is useful to know version, as translations vary greatly.
Norine: In this Post Scriptum to my "good-bye", I owe you only one apology: I just found out you are a female, not a male, hiding behind that male shadow, instead of showing your face to the world. So sorry, Your Femaleship.
Norine, calling people names is unacceptable. Curb your tongue please.
Eric: "Curb your tongue?" My tongue? I use WORD! Did GOD "curb His tongue?" Gal 3!
R u asking me not to use WORD? If so, I have not further discussion!
Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I (Jesus) tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper (Holy Spirit) will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. (The Holy Spirit)
Rich: And U don't believe that SAME "ONE SPIRIT" can't do that? If u believe, u r of GOD, if not, SATAN!
Did U also notice in Jn 14:26 who would send? If not, "the Father!" But in 16:7 (as u quoted) He (JESUS) said He would send!
JESUS is GOD!
If I believe what you believe then I'm OK I got it, I'm sure everyone has got it. If I don't agree with your thoughts on the scripture I'm the devil I get it. Thank God that it is not the gospel according to what Norine thinks and believes.
I didn't say IT, WORD did! Have u heard "One Spirit" & "on One Accord?" If not "on One Accord," then where r u?
You actually just demonstrated the point! Do you read Hebrew and Greek fluently? If you don't then how do you know your 'revelation' is in line what the Holy Spirit has previously said?
Because clearly your last comment is happening!!
Law: R u serious? Did not HS (aka Jesus) say He would "lead & guide us into ALL truth?" Remember: BELIEVE & HAVE FAITH TO PRODUCE ACTION FM HS!
U thk HS needs Hebrew & Greek or R U bragging that U know?
Jesus said "another comforter" not himself coming back! He doesn't need Greek and Hebrew WE DO! to prevent us getting it wrong and insulting other believers!
Law: "..whom the Father will send "IN MY NAME.." (Jn14:26; n red) & "...I will send.." (Jn 16:7; n red) If sent in HIS NAME, who is He?
Jesus sent n 16:7 & Father sent n 14:26=Jesus is God!
Need HS "revelation" for TRUTH not Hebrew & Gr
So it's someone but not Jesus or the Father? That much is clear from the text! Yet co-equal with them!
This is why claiming 'revelation' is dangerous!
Law: U NEED Jesus (aka HS)!
There is 1 SPIRIT (Eph 4:4-6) who operates in ANY Glory and/or MANY Glories;simultaneously, if He desires!
Therefore, HS'S Name is Jesus (Jn 14:26) who was sent fm THE 1 SPIRIT as PROMISED, as was Jesus (I Tim 3:16)!
Norine, I must admit I find you extremely fascinating. When you use the term WORD you capitalize it all. Does that mean you are shouting it, like that is generally used? And could you give me a definition of WORD as you use it?
Eric: I respect WORD which is GOD! If u knew the POWER of ALMIGHTY "I AM" u would not speak His Name (JESUS) w/o caps nor any of His "Glories!" But we have lost respect for what He is (GOD), but JESUS is who He is (Phil 2:9-11)!
WE HAVE FORGOTTEN!
Then to be consistent you should capitalize "he" and His" entirely. And you should not abbreviate (aka). Does disagreeing with you mean automatically that you cannot be wrong? Are you infallible in interpreting your revelations?
Eric: Did I not say "WE" have forgotten? As I tell other unbelievers, I have "proof" but in order to find out if I'm telling TRUTH, BELIEVE "rightly divided" WORD, exercise FAITH to MAX, for He's available to "ALL" & His desire is "NONE IS LOST!"
Norine, Mt 5:22 and whoever addresses his brother with an unspeakable word of contempt will be accountable to the Supreme Court; whereas whoever says, ‘You despicable fool!’ will be liable to the fiery Ge·henʹna.
Norine you must not have read this
k&t: Did U read it? "...WITHOUT A CAUSE...?"
When against WORD there's plenty of "CAUSE!"
"...shall be in danger of hell fire." God judges whether or not "in danger of," not u!
He looks @ the heart, not as u!
U continue as Scribes & Pharise
Excellent point Shadrack2. Please note that He did not quote it every time He spoke. And out of the possibly 70 or so times it is referenced it is alluded to and not cited. He may have quoted it about 20+ times. (rough only)
He quoted and had extended dialog to clarify. Eric, this is not like what we have experienced for the past two weeks.
Having education does not make you qualified to tell people what to do.
You can share your gift of knowledge but do not demand or taunt a person with a ego.
It is a big turn off.
We can not force a gift on anyone of spiritual content, we can shar
K & T, that is so true. My sister was laughing and taunting me because I believe there will be a rapture. She "visits" a Bible study so she can argue with the pastor. This is inconsistent with loving others and wanting to share the truth.
D: U agree w/JW=Satan?
"Birds of a feather do flock together" (Ps 119:63) both w/"TWISTED DOCTRINE!"
I think we have room to love. I know it is busy as a beaver out there. I don't always have time for law. But I always have time for love. Call me an old fool but I think that works all things right.
Carb: Man's 'love' doesn't equate to GOD'S "Love!" God's def of "Love:" If u love me, u will "keep my commandments." Now, who does that? They can't due to RELIGION which defies "The Gospel of Christ!"
So, then, there's no "Love" for GOD!
The Pharisees were hypocrits and wanted to be seen as holy. They were not concerned about being holy.
Norine your Christian youth and exuberance is admirable and welcome. But perhaps there is a time that when your elders speak you should contemplate and not show your youth in Christ so blatantly. We tolerate and love youth but-----
The two greatest commendments are 1) Love the Lord thy God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and 2) Love thy neighbor as thyself. They don't care how much you know until they know how much you care.
ET. Example of entern who studies many books to be a lawyer,should they look
At those books as Harry potter, lord of the Rings, if he or she does they will not make it
Through the Bar Exam,the most crucial of all exams.The bible is more valuble
GOD'S definition of LOVE is as mine = TRUTH! Whether IT displays love as man sees it or not (Heb 4:12) IT is LOVE! Would u lie to ur kids? Neither does GOD & why I repeat HIS WORD!
To continue , she was arrogant, haughty, till one day the principal kept calling her class, three times from the intercom.She was out as usual until he just made a special trip to her class no teacher the whole hour.
Jesus knows everything .
Interesting Diane of your experience with your sister , no one should be vexed because they know something, then the thing is ,the person could have wrong information. Why don't you also have your own private study as solid evidence. They are free
Pete: U wouldn't know a "Christian" if 1 came up & bit u on ur behind!
Looks like Eric doesn't either! U can "run" but u can't "hide" fm TRUTH in WORD!
Very fascinating. I am sure you have exact scripture to back up your prophesy.
My favorite verses are quotations of Jesus. He said "You must be born again.", " The poor will always be with you and you can give to them whenever you want.", " When a strong man well-armed keeps his palace(or homestead) his goods are in peace."
Those are cool verses. It is interesting to get a glimpse of your point of view.
Ephesians 6:12 provides the key to what is happening in our government and banking. In Luke 10:18 Jesus said out of the blue "I saw Satan fall like lightning from on high." BARAK means "lightning" & BAMAH means "on high". John 3:16-18 is good t
Kev: If he is the anti-Christ, he's not doing a very good job but allowing what "the people" want! Rm 13 "Let every soul be subj unto the higher pwrs.For there is no pwr but of God; the pwrs that b are ordained of God." Now what, Kevin? Rd ALL!
Just to share , example I had a bad example of a high school teacher, she would not teach , but leave students to read assignments, leave the class room and return before the bell would ring. What did we learn from her ?she gave students F's.
"True anything in the wrong hands can be abused," U ought to KNOW! Nasty little demon, throwing rocks & hiding hand as usual! U r only here to lose souls (Jn 10:10) but using the WORD of GOD is unforgivable!
Norine you are the only one here saying things, calling people fools, ignort, demanding people to study , give book, you are the one that is acting out what you are calling others, not once have I called you the things you say. Not example of Jesus
Norine do not be sad if I delete your comments, it is just my personal taste. You called me Satan and now K&T little demon. Those are just over the top.
So do not feel bad.
Eric - screen shot them first, if you are deleting them.
Nor - your behaviour and name calling is in fact losing souls using the word of God - not gaining them. I wish you could see that, but sadly you don't.
Jlpark, I just went ahead and picked the ones -- that I hope Norine would be embarrassed about later. I did not alter the thrust of her position in any way. No one could miss her point.
It should be noted that Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians. They even have their own Bible, New World Translation. If it is noted that Norine takes that position, it shouldn't lead anyone away from Christ. They don't believe Jesus is God.
k&t: Did u notice I posted 2 wks ago & u followed 7 days ago? Record will reveal! U're the devil's advocate looking 2 find err in Holy Spirit!
Diane: I agree w/u Diane! K&T is your JW, not I! U guys need to read Is 59:8="No judgment!"
Very interesting answer. You have very clear stated views. It is good to hear other people's opinions so thank you for sharing yours. Judging what is in another's heart is very bold.
It's true Eric,onlyGod knows one's heart&He hasn't appointed anyone to be the judge of 1's heart.Because 1 fails at practicing Christianity doesn't necessarily mean they are not a C.but if there's reason to doubt theres reason to examine1self
Arthur, I just read your feature hub and left a comment. I will follow you. There is a tendency for people to want to make everyone Christians whether they want to be or not. It is a free will choice and God forces no one.
It is cool TSAD I just listened to a sermon yesterday On Paul's writings to the Corinthians about how we are all part of the same body, though each very different. I hope my head learns from my feet.
Eric: Do u know what "part of the same body" means? ON ONE ACCORD! 1st Cor 12:12 "ONE SPIRIT" "..SO ALSO IS CHRIST" = ONE SPIRIT, not Father, Son, & Holy Spirit but MORE & THAT SAME (ONE) SPIRIT!
I Pet 3:15 "ALWAYS ANSWER Q" if not, UnChrist
Diane I love that last expression of " until they know how much you care"
Is really what this is all about, Jesus said words , but the words were backed up by facing his death to purchase us a future.
look how much he cared,
Now it is our turn !
K & T, Praise the Lord!
We praise him by trusting in him and our New future, thanks for your sharing your up building words.
U fools! Until u consider the "chronological events" of the NT, u will cont in "twisted doctrine!" U believe as u please (Free Will), but u can't change WORD and/or the "chronological events" of the New Testament!
Appropriate Scripture responses to Jehovah's Witness - none are Christians. https://home.snu.edu/~hculbert/jehovah.htm
Diane: As u have "assumed" your doctrine (belief), u now "assume" I'm JW! Where is your spirit of discernment? Another trying to undermine the Holy Spirit as does K&T who is really the JW but lays it on so syrupy sweet, MOST believe!
Prz the Lor
Norine, when you don't reveal what you are, I use the Scriptures to test what you are. If not JW, you are possibly something far worse. You must live a miserable life. If you are not possessed, it is possible you are being oppressed.
D: IF JESUS is "something far worse," (for ALL I repeat is HIS WORD), where is ur Spirit of Discernment & what does that make U?
LYING SATAN (Jn 8:44)!
Neither "possessed" (as they called JESUS) nor "oppressed" (Jn 15:18)! I'm Christ-like! Amen
Norine I have warned you several times. I reported you to Hubpages less than 5 minutes ago.
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