Are you aware of the vast amounts of money false minister evangelists steal from

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   celafoeposted 7 years ago

   Are you aware of the vast amounts of money false minister evangelists steal from the sheep?
   
   Here is just a sample of a few.   I am compiling a complete(as is possible) list of televangelists, their income, net worth, homes value, plane value and Autos and brand. also what false doctrines they promote.
   joel osteen-home 17000 sf-17.5 million, net worth 40MM$-ken copeland-home 6mm$, airplane 17.5MM$, net worth 760MM$-- creflo dollar-homes (2) 3.5 MM$, Airplane 65MM$, net worth 27MM$.  This is just a quick sample.   feel free to ad to the list.   What do you think of these guys?

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   Michael Milecposted 7 years ago

   Not at all, and I do not care to know it's a lucrative business based upon a "legal" contract between the two parties a person and a group of people knowing each other well by established a mutual " trust." I would avoid to mention any names including you've listed here, Whatever  their activities are, it is between themselves and their " god " as it with anyone else. . .

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      celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      michael. no, we are called to expose false doctrine such as each of these promote.   i will be exposing them by name and showing their false doctrines.

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      Michael Milecposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      We might have different understanding " business " of the Kingdom here and now, charlie. If you are called and authorized to expose those charlatans , then you go ahead and do so.

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   dashingscorpioposted 7 years ago

   
   
   "Steal'?
   I read Joel Osteen doesn't even take a salary from the church.
   His income comes from book sales and other ventures. Granted a lot of religious followers purchase his products but that is not the same as a minister lining his or her pockets with church offerings.
   From the point of view of a lot Christians if one is truly following the tenants of the bible their life should be filled with prosperity and favor. "My Cup Runneth Over." Psalms 23:5
   There has been an internal battle going on among Christians as to "prosperity" teaching versus "fire & brimstone" teaching.
   Each side "cherry picks" the scriptures that serves their agenda.
   Both can point to scriptures that support their teachings
   Luke 11:9 and Mark 7:7-8 for example pretty much say the same thing.
   "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."
   James 4:2 ".....ye have not, because ye ask not."
   Some of these ministers are looking to teach their congregations how to get ahead in life by using teachings from the bible while others focus on preparing souls for the "afterlife".
   People gravitate towards the message that appeals to them.
   It's all coming from the same book. Most ministers don't teach both.

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      celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      are you aware the govt is investigating him for improper use of 501c3?

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      dashingscorpioposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      No one I know of has ever accumulated great wealth without being investigated or sued at some point in their lifetime.
      He may have to pay a fine...
      Ecclesiastes 7:20
      "For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not."

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   KingdomComeposted 7 years ago

   Celafoe- The U,S. national "average" income for a clergy is $ 57,000 a year. So you could say that a so called clergy spreads God's word for a price. And when their not doing that their writing books, "christian" related books that relates to biblical subjects which they also sell for a price. So what it all boils down to if you what to learn about God's word from a so called "clergy", it going to cost you money.

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      celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      and you get false doctrine for dessert.

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   bluesradioposted 7 years ago

   Yes, I have a serious problem with Prosperity Ministries....we have a few hear in North Carolina, like Upper Room and others...When the pastor is living Large, and the congregation is living average, or in some cases, small....and they are being sold Pie in the Sky dreams, I have problems with that......
   Never was a overly big fan of Creflo Dollar or for that matter TD Jakes for exactly that reason.....and it's not just black ministers...remember when Oral Roberts swore that he was going to be called home unless a certain amount of money was raised for him or that obscene amount of money that was raised by Jim Baker and his wife Tammy Faye.....and those are from history, there are current ones too...

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   gmwilliamsposted 7 years ago

   
   
   Of course, religion is big bu$ine$$.  Religion is one of the ways one can become a celebrity.  In fact, many congregants idolize their ministers & other religious leaders.  Yes, there are religious leaders in it for the money, status, & adulation they receive.  After all, the main purpose of religion is to subdue, control, & instill fear in the gullible, uneducated masses who refuse to see religion for what it......ACTUALLY IS.
   
   The wealth of the Roman Catholic Church is beyond immeasurable.  The Roman Catholic Church's net worth is worth....billions.  Yet the majority of Roman Catholics are poor, if not impoverished.  Religions preach the game that it is "noble", even "righteous" being poor in order to instill guilt & an anti-achievement mentality in their congregants.  The congregants feel guilty about amassing wealth so they give their wealth to their religious leaders in order for the latter to enjoy the wealth while the congregants live from the proverbial hand to mouth or more likely hand to elbow.
   
   There is a status, glamor in being a religious leader.  Such leaders are like the politicians.  They are self-aggrandizing & self-glorifying.  They care nothing about their congregants at all.  All they care about are.....THEM, THIEIR MONEY, THEIR CELEBRITY.......& what NEXT CAREER MOVE will they make.  Religion & politics are extremely lucrative bu$ine$$e$ in America these days, sad to say.  There is no longer the vocation of serving, teaching, helping, & caring for others.  The theme of religion & politics is what can one DO for & to PROMOTE self, not caring one iota about the people one is supposed to serve.  In fact, religion & politics in America are interrelated.
   
   People would be much better off if they realize & recognize their inherent spirituality & spiritual power.  One doesn't need religion to experience, believe, or rather KNOW God.  God is beyond religious limitations.  When people see the fallacy & folly in religion, they will LEAVE such toxicity & embrace their unique spirituality.

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      Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      "In fact, religion & politics in America are interrelated." WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING "THE CATHOLIC FAITH" (USA RELIGION) has DECEIVED MOST & ALL "spin offs" in TROUBLE!
      Last para defies WORD (Heb 10:25)!
      Not "Religion" but ONE SPIRIT/W/ONE ACCO

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   yecallposted 7 years ago

   I like televangelists a great deal.  The reason for this is that some people are home-bound and for whatever reason they cannot attend church.  Without the televangelists, these home bound people cannot experience church.  All ministries need money to operate.

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      celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      televangelists all preach a perverted gospel.   the home bound are better off with nothing than with a false gospel.  all they have to do is get born again, baptized & filled with the Holy Spirit, then read the bible and HS will reveal TRUTH

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