The Aethist adverts on British buses at the moment

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   Mark Knowlesposted 16 years ago

   Ah, well in Italy the church has managed to have these ads stopped.
   
   Looks like the catholic church has a bit more clout than the anglican church
   
   http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/4287979 … verts.html

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   Elena.posted 16 years ago

   I'm hailing from Barcelona, and yesterday I sighted one of the two buses that display the message here!  What a hubbub, people scrambling to get a shot with the cell while the bus went by!  Fun!

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   Andrew0208posted 16 years ago

   Funny enough as they seek ordience in their little sentiments thru the ad. Does it really matter since it's also a choice.

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      Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Ordience? Not often I come across a word I do know know and cannot find in a dictionary.
      
      What does it mean please?

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         Paragliderposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         Audience, by Liza Doolittle, maybe?

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            Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            Cor blimey !
            
            I fink yer righ guvnor
            
            A great argument for atheism right there.
            
            The sooner we get these believers on board the sooner we can start a genuine education program.

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               mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                  count me out

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                  Paragliderposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                  I don't know Mohit - Mark & I could do a good cop / bad cop double act. The perfect learning environment...

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                     mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                     I like you both so I wonder who will play the bad cop 

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               Andrew0208posted 16 years agoin reply to this

               Hahaha! Sorry for that mistake in typing, i do know the spelling ok. Anyway, i said earlier if it matters about the atheist rantings thru the ad. It may be taken serious of them when i see it inscribed on your foreheads including you Mark. Funny enough! Hahahaha!
               Atleast it will not cost them that much advertising their sentiments.

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                  Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                  
                  
                  We all make typing errors.
                  
                  Interesting though isn't it.
                  
                  That when you shout GLORY! and your cult plasters posters and tv ads all over the place this is acceptable.
                  
                  Yet a couple of gentle posters pointing out the worthlessness of your beliefs and it is a "rant." The Catholic cult is so scared of them that they managed to get them banned in Italy - for now.
                  
                  Not sentiments Andrew, merely attempting to educate people.

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                     aka-djposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                     Teach them EVERYTHING, and let them use their critical faculties to choose what they want out of it! Wouldn't that be the fairest way to do it?

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                        Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                        EVERYTHING?
                        
                        Sounds wonderful. I wonder how long it would take to learn EVERYTHING.
                        
                        Or even if your brain could hold it............
                        
                        Which religion should we start with? FSMism?

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   aka-djposted 16 years ago

   Give them an introductory lesson.
   Start with scientiffic atheism. I don't care, just expose the others.
   I hear the human brain can hold a LOT.

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      Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      What makes you think anyone wants to prevent anyone from learning anything?
      
      Although - I think my brain is full and every time I learn something new, something else drops out the back

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         aka-djposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         I got the impression you oppose teaching "religion", and even call it child abuse from time to time.

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            Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            I certainly oppose teaching religion as facts and keeping your children at home to ensure they do not learn about evolution - yes. That is child abuse.
            
            I think religion should be taught in schools - but not as factual information, merely as "Some people choose to believe this."

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   aka-djposted 16 years ago

   Ok, lets see.     
   The Bible says, God created everything in 6 days.
   This is not a fact, just what (some) believe.
   
   Evolutionary science says, everything came into existance, from nothing, we just don't know how, (yet). And all life came from non-living matter, we don't know how, etc. This in not what some (the majority) believe, but is fact.
   
   Did I get that right, or close at least?

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      Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      No. I heartily suggest you take a look at evolutionary science again. Perhaps even read that book I suggested which you decided not to read because it contradicts your beliefs and you once saw the author in a TV show and decided it was all rubbish.
      
      Do we really want to go into this argument once again?
      
      There is more than one religion. More than one creation myth. And even you christians cannot decide what your book says.

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      Sufidreamerposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Howdy, aka-dj.
      
      Not even close - evolution says nothing about abiogenesis, the creation of life. This is one of the many misconceptions about evolution. It is the best theory we have for explaining how organisms adapt to fit a changing environment. As Nick says, it is a constantly changing theory, but I see no compelling evidence leading me to question my paradigm.
      
      The problem is that people have created so many strawmen that very few understand even the basics.
      
      http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1 … tions.html
      
      From experience, I find New Scientist to be a reputable source.

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   aka-djposted 16 years ago

   I must be close though. You seem to take evasive action at times like this.
   I did not read your suggested book, for lack of time, not because of classifying it rubbish.

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      Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      I am not taking evasive action. You do not seem to understand what evolutionary science says, but you have refused to read the thread I started explaining evolution, you do not have the time to read another good book I suggested. You have already decided that god created the world in six days.
      
      So, I do not see the point in repeating the same discussion with you once again that is all.

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   Nickny79posted 16 years ago

   Evolution as it is understood by scientists today is NOT the end of the story, science is ALSO evolving, and theories change and get refined.  Sometimes they get thrown out and totally revised--e.g. Quantum Mechanics in relation to Classical Newtonian Physics.  Our current theory of evolution might well experience the same upset--so don't be too quick to accept as "scientific fact" what people tell you is fact--most of science is theory.
   
   One of the main scientific criticisms of the Classical Darwinian model is the discovery of what is called "punctuated equilibrium" where certain species suddenly appear and disappear in the paleontological record. 
   
   Further, evolution is not necessarily contrary to one's spiritual beliefs unless one is an incorrigible literalist about what the Bible says.  Jewish scholars from the earliest period always acknowledged that the Bible had several layers of interpretation--with the literal interpretation, at times, being the least interesting or important.  The Bible is a code as much as it is a narrative.  Even my old biology teacher, a Catholic priest (now Bishop), taught evolution without any reservations and explained how its not necessarily incompatible with the most important tenets of the Catholic faith.

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      LondonGirlposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      I agree - lots of religious people have no problem with the concept of evolution, geological time periods, and all the rest of it.

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         Andrew0208posted 16 years agoin reply to this

         LondonGirl, I just want to know, are you an atheist? If so, i should be seeing you having inscribed on your very forehead the slogans advertising the sentiments of an atheist. Are you one?

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            LondonGirlposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            What does that sentence actually mean? I can't make head or tail of it.

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               Andrew0208posted 16 years agoin reply to this

               Are you an atheist?

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                  LondonGirlposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                  No, agnostic.

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               Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

               Apparently Andrew seems to think that having an opinion other than his requires you to have a tattoo or something on your forehead
               
               Andrew - you still didn't respond to my last statement. Why is it OK to advertise god all over the place, yet when some one attempts to educate people to the truth, you consider it "ranting."?

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                  Andrew0208posted 16 years agoin reply to this

                  God is never advertised! He's been there from the foundations of the earth, but you know very well the promotion and play of Self and Religion. You did hear it, you also read and can quote the scriptures but this SELF SELF thing is so terrible among you.

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                     Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                     You still did not answer my question. The religions advertise god all the time. Why are you so upset that an opposite viewpoint is being advertised? Of course god is advertised. You think your religion would be so far spread if not for the forcible conversion with weapons and the constant barrage from the TV and advertising hoardings?
                     
                     If he came down and announced himself, that would be a different matter. But he seems to have a big marketing department
                     
                     SELF SELF thing? I take responsibility for my SELF. I do not blame it on god. Why is this so terrible?

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                        Andrew0208posted 16 years agoin reply to this

                        Hahahaha! eehh! Never upset Mark, look I don't play religion and it's associated politics but tell me what are your(atheist) aims for the ads, are you seeking what?

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                           Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                           Of course you play religion and it's associated politics. You are doing so right now. I asked you a straight question, and you have avoided answering. That is almost an exact definition of politics.
                           
                           What is wrong with advertising that there is no god exactly and why does it upset you?
                           
                           We (although I had nothing to do with these ads) are seeking to create a rational thought process by educating people to the fact that there is no god and that religious dogma is dangerous and ultimately destructive.

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                              Andrew0208posted 16 years agoin reply to this

                              You're an atheist for now right? Why will you be disturbed on the existence of God. You rightly said "I take responsibility for my SELF" I have many atheist lovely friends. I did tell them earlier last year that the very secret they've kept for years will fail them just as the world economy will fail completely beyond human reasoning and understanding. Mark, mark it today 23rd January, 2009. You see Self, World economy, Science and Religion will totally fail the very players, then the supernatural will lead...We will locate ourselves respectively.
                              
                              The OBAMA history of histories will have to teach so many a very BIG lesson. Expect more to come for sure, especially the SUPERNATURAL which you defile.
                              
                              Time will tell...Watch it. This is never in any way a threat but a reality. The question is, will you stop the clock from ticking?

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                                 Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                                 What on earth are you talking about?
                                 
                                 I agree the SELF destruction of the financial services industry is well under way. I saw that coming from a long way back and sold my property in the UK in 2006.
                                 
                                 You still have not answered the question though.
                                 
                                 What scares you so much?

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                                    Andrew0208posted 16 years agoin reply to this

                                    Do you also see yourself selling more? Never scared Mark. I did answer your question; God is never advertised, even if the believers do not propagate Him, Stones will do.
                                    
                                    Why will the atheist be disturbed on the existence of God?

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                                       Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                                       Laughter medicine against the fearing fool on the hill leading knowledge is science and stones god was would show the fearing fool and advertise the noneness the center would become the middle and the truth of the way to the none propagation of the believer's wrath ending neverending.
                                       
                                       I like this new way of communicating we have developed and I am certain this should clear things up. Now you can let go of your silly fears.
                                       
                                       You are welcome.

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                                          Andrew0208posted 16 years agoin reply to this

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                           LondonGirlposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                           I'm willing to be corrected, but I don't think he's actually responsible for the ads.

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         Leta Sposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         I think, since Londongirl posted this thread, and the way she responded here, that she is like many of us--not necessarily an atheist or even an agnostic, but someone who does does not have literal beliefs and doesn't have a problem rectifying the concept of evolution with the concept of God.
         
         And for once, I think Nick is not being especially coy in saying what he actually thinks.  Good to see...
         
         
         ooops....  Coming in at the same time of these other postings.  I stand corrected....  The above are now simply MY beliefs... 

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            LondonGirlposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            Actually, that is pretty much what I think!

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   knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

   " If so, i should be seeing you having inscribed on your very forehead the slogans advertising the sentiments of an atheist."
   Sounds like the 'Mark of the Beast' to me.

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   LondonGirlposted 16 years ago

   I've now seen several buses, and here is a link to the tube adverts:
   
   http://www.humanism.org.uk/bus-campaign/tube-cards

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