I lived on a farm for 2 years. Anyone want to explain to me why animals are viciously tortured by flies everyday? I'm not kidding. I've seen cattle thrashing on the ground trying to get rid of them.
I can't say that I have ever seen a cow thrashing on the ground fighting flies. I've seen a lot of cows.
I would think everything was in some type of balance here on earth. If we got rid of one thing we consider a nuisance something else would suffer because of its removal. I wonder how much smaller the web of life would be if we deleted every species we considered more trouble than we considered it to be worth.
Why is the construct such that species have to be combative? Kill or be killed, that kind of thing...
I don't know. Ease your mind. Sprinkle some flea powder on the cat.
You can't answer my op series. Can you? If you can, please do! I could use it. Logic only.
What I consider to be logical might not be something you consider to be logical. I view all life as being interdependent. You have to take the good with the bad if you want to participate. The other species do.
As to disease...some are a necessary part of life. As crappy as that sounds. Some are of our own making. Which sounds crappier. If we didn't have the things in life we complain about we'd complain about something else. We compare. We label. We categorize. It is what we do.
Why is there the bad that we did not self-induce?
Be very careful here...
I don't know. I guess because we aren't all that? Seriously. The world is a whole lot more than us.
But, if you think about it; you think fleas are bad. How do you think the fleas feel about that?
Personally, I don't think there IS the bad that we did not self-induce, or at least fall into temptation of.
Mankind's Garden of Eden was perfect. The Garden was perfect; the man was perfect; and I think it's safe to assume the animals were perfect; at least they were under Adam's dominion. Perhaps there were no fleas and gnats there; maybe they were just in larvae stage etc. Or if there were, they must've happily carried on with life without "bugging" the other creatures!
But once Adam and Eve fell to sin, that changed everything. They were expelled from the Garden with the promise from God that they'd live much different lives than what the Garden provided for them.
Enter----all the consequences of sin, from painful childbirth for women, to men having to sweatily work for a living, to ........... even those little ants and gnats and wasps and mosquitoes etc. becoming the pesky disease-carrying creatures they are today.
Hey, that's my explanation for it. It's as good as any I've heard yet. And even though I can't prove it definitively, it is entirely possible and quite probable.
God didn't intend for mankind to be in pain and suffering. Mankind's choices are what makes us suffer. The poor animals? Well, in the end they are just that----animals, for us to have dominion over, to use for food or whatever's needed. We are not, however, to hurt them just for the "fun" of hurting them for no reason nor to kill them for no good reason. It hurts me when I see an animal in pain, or even the irritation of fleas that they go through! But I can't help 'em all.
Paradigm, I'm with whoever said get some flea powder and try to help that poor kitty!
I do not agree that we're all just a big "experiment". We are more than lab rats. We were given the opportunity to Love the Creator, the Savior; to make a choice between good and evil. That has eternal consequences. The thing that makes it more than just an experiment is the fact that that Creator Loves us.
Interestingly enough they have long tails with tuffs of fur on the end for the purpose of swatting the flies! Horses really have it made with manes and their wonderful fly swishing tails!
A good healthy body has what it takes to get rid of harmful microbes... developed through the process of evolution of course. We mostly cause our own suffering through ignorance.
Why do we must have knowledge to not be tortured? Especial as to the animals. There is no point. Yet there it is.
Yes, we must have knowledge in order to avoid being "tortured".... (by not being proactive.)
Animals have joy in life... especially when young. Adult cows really love standing around filling up their many stomachs. Having to swat flies is just the price they pay, I guess. Joy is obviously not free.
That IS hard to accept.
And just what is this whole disease construct thing!?!
I mean seriously. I'd love to hear an explanation.
Yes. I am in rant mode. My mind is wide open. So do explain to me the torture and disease thing. I really will listen. Tell me.
What brought this on is I seemed to have been adopted by an outdoor cat. Fleas and torture... I have seen this poor cat scratching, scratching, scratching. And even rubbing itself over rocks no less. Everyday. Day in. Day out. Why? Why such continually inflicted pain everyday of this cat's life? What is the point or purpose?
Aww, cat needs help. Need to find a shelter or veterinary clinic to help get that cat treated for fleas/ and find a home for it.
If I had the bucks, I'd really do that!
I know vet is expensive. Some will do humanitarian work or put you in touch with society or agency to help.
Catch the cat. Get a good pair of leather gloves and a long sleeve shirt and give the cat a bath. Have the bath ready before Kitty ever sees the water.
Rub orange peel on it afterward to keep the fleas away. Or just rub orange peel over the cat without the bath. The orange peel will work either way. Things may be out of balance, but you don't have to leave them that way.
The good news...
I shall lose interest in this thread fairly shortly...
The bad news...
My current feeling is that I will resurrect this thread until infinity.
Get your cat some Program (lufenuron). I have a hub about it. It works great. You can get a six-month supply of generic lufenuron from Amazon for $19.99 plus 5 bucks shipping. It's not poisonous and it gets rid of fleas wonderfully.
As far as why there is pain in life, it's just the way it is. Happiness, sadness, joy, pain. It all goes together, for some reason, which I don't know.
"My grandfather always said that living is like licking honey off a thorn." ~Louis Adamic
I didn't say that. Things just are what they are. If I thought something was going out of its way to manipulate our environment I'd be miffed.
I will grant that we are an experiment.
I knew my lab rat theory was correct! I'm looking for my previous thread.
Here's a song while you're waiting (lyrics included):
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And again. We can figure out what "dea m c" is/was/are" was/is.
It seems if we care, we feel pain for others suffering (including animals). caring=pain. Caring about the cat in distress, but what about the bird it killed? You are right paradigmsearch, it makes no sense to witness so much pain and be unable to change things. Life is brutal.
Life must consume other life to survive (unless you're most plants). And so, life (including most plants) comes up with ways to avoid being consumed by other life. And then life (not including most plants) comes up with even more ingenious ways to consume other life, so life (including most plants) must come up with new defenses. Rinse and repeat.
We are lab rats.
It is so obvious.
I/you squiggle as we speak.
I don't feel I deserve the pain I have but
somehow talking about it helps
I forgot about the forums
cool beans! I'm back!
yeah it's not fun
But what are ya gonna do?
And for the record. As far as my fellow lab rats go. You are all my favorites.
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