Is the wage of sin more than just death?

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   SwordofManticorEposted 10 years ago

   Once again, Romans 6:23 tells us that the wages of sin is death.Why does Christianity teach that the wages of sin is eternal torture?

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      wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      It's more scary and will convince more people to pay the church for salvation.

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      Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      SoM, I really do think that it is eternal torture. I can remember lies I told 40 years ago. I have bad thoughts of some years spent in robust sinful behavior.
      Guilt, anger, remorse, sadness and futility fill me when I let myself dwell on those times. The memories torture me.
      And I say all that knowing full well I have accepted, repented and for decades now have lived in love and devotion. I know those sins brought me to my knees, and help steer me toward living in Love and Christ.
      And so I am free not to dwell on the tortuous spirit bending wages of my sins: But even now I relive and suffer from them.

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         SwordofManticorEposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         So the wage of sin is not death eric?

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            Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            There are too many kinds of death. Euthanasia in pure form is a mercy death. Perhaps allowing us to die is more of a mercy. OTOH I cannot conceive how pure energy could die.
            So if I read Romans in love, I can see that Paul is saying that which is sinful in us will die. It just plain dies. That which is Love has eternal life. And perhaps those sins torture us.

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               SwordofManticorEposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Do you not believe that the guilt of sin will be removed? With that said, we will sin no more?

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                  Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  I would assume it would just die along with our sinful nature.

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                     SwordofManticorEposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     Not bad Eric. Our sinful nature or what I call our carnal nature will end with our deaths.

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                        Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        Do I look forward to that??? No but if this realm was just to tortuous yes.
                        
                        But I would not feel this way without Christ firmly entrenched not only in my psychie but also heart and mind and soul. And for to have happened to me, I had to walk through the Baptisms of water, spirit and fire. Repent and surrender to His will.  If I did not do that would my carnal nature survive my physical death?  Well I do not want to find out.

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                           SwordofManticorEposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                           i already know and do not fear death.

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      Zelkiiroposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Because it was a more effective way of making sure the illiterate peasantry wouldn't rebel against its corrupted government.

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      cheaptrickposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Ever been through a divorce?
      The wages of sin are alimony, child support, and long frustrating conversations with your EX about what you did with her sister....I heard.

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         Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Cheaptrick, I may have to get some counseling on that, perhaps it is why I believe in Hell on Earth. Not a sister thing, but close enough.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Because it's spiritual death.
      And sometimes, yes, literal physical death also.
      Both are our earnings, our wages, what we deserve.

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         SwordofManticorEposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         So you are telling me my beautiful 4 year old child deserves to die both physically and spiritually?

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            Brenda Durhamposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Nope.   But when the time comes that she's at an age where she's able to understand the facts of life, right and wrong, and repentance and forgiveness, she will have a decision to make then with eternal consequences.

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               SwordofManticorEposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               That's church nonsense trying to find excuses to justify their beliefs. A sinner is a sinner correct? David even said that when we are concieved, we are sinners. No one deserves this fate you believe in. It is insane to the core. Because if we all deserve eternal torture, your view of your image of god is a selfish hypocrite of a monster.

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Think what you will.
                  Keep a big ego.
                  
                  Me....I have no qualms saying that,  in comparison to the God who created mankind,  I deserve nothing from Him unless it IS hell.    But am soooo very grateful that He loves me enough to let me live and even offers me a home in Heaven when I die,  instead of that lake of fire.

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                     SwordofManticorEposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     Of course you have no qualms. that self-righteous pride of your is obvious. The reality of hell is secretly found in your hearts desires. I am a conservitive by nature in world events, but you extrem religous right winged legalist conservitive christians put nothing but yokes of fear of punishment on new believers and who fears punishment has not love.

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                     Disappearingheadposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     Why do you deserve hell Brenda? What have you done? Did you murder a small child, sell drugs to street kids, or commit genocide?

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      A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      It instills fear.

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