Do you believe in spell casts that can transform your physical body?

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   jirelposted 11 years ago

   Well ,I believe in metaphysical things.I have heard of various stories of witchcraft and other supernatural powers.Some get power from spirits, some through angels, genies, etc.They use these supernatural methods for manifestations.There are many who even claimed that these things really work? However, do you think this can bring physical transformations.From, scientific as well as metaphysical point of view, our body is not substance but collection of energies that are vibrating.So things like gaining muscle mass, fair skin,height gain,hair growth, turning into werewolf etc..Can thesebe real?

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      A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Yet, not a single person has ever shown any of those things to work, most likely because they are just so much baloney.

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         janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Have you ever seen an electron? A graviton? A gravity wave?
         
         People have believed in magic for at the very least tens of thousands of years.

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            Zelkiiroposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            You know what ancient people believed to be magic?
            
            Being left-handed, knowing how to write, and being able to start a fire.
            
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               janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Yes I agree. Many things are supernatural. Until they are proven to be natural.

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                  A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Or, until we find out they are just nonsensical claims based on myths and superstitions, which is usually the case.

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               WiccanSageposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, they also believed that herbs magically cured people-- until we discovered they actually had medicinal properties. They believed drumming and chanting could prepare a warrior for battle, and now we know about how someone can get psyched up mentally for a task, become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Basically all it proves is that the techniques always worked, even before we discovered how.

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            A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Another very lame fallacy. Not a lot of thought went into that response, obviously.
            
            
            
            Another laughable fallacy. So, you;re of the mind that because people believed in myths and superstitions for a very long time, those myths and superstitions must be true.

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      Reality Bytesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The power of Majick  is not an external force, but an internal one.  Change your mind, change the world.  I recommend researching Carl Jung's archetype theories.  Nothing exists outside of the mind.  Perception is reality.
      
      "fair skin,height gain,hair growth, turning into werewolf ",  I do not think you would have much success with these types of things.
      
      "One must find out for oneself, and make sure beyond doubt, who one is, what one is, why one is ...Being thus conscious of the proper course to pursue, the next thing is to understand the conditions necessary to following it out. After that, one must eliminate from oneself every element alien or hostile to success, and develop those parts of oneself which are specially needed to control the aforesaid conditions." (Crowley)

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      Disappearingheadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I met a witch once. She turned me into a newt.......I got better though.

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         Reality Bytesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Well obviously, if she had been weighed, she would have weighed equal to a duck!

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            Disappearingheadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            

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   Zelkiiroposted 11 years ago

   /cast Magic Missile

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   Emile Rposted 11 years ago

   I don't know. I don't believe in magic, but if it were possible I would think you only changed the perception of another to make them see you differently. I don't think it would be possible to physically transform. But, there is a lot we don't yet know, so I don't suppose one could yet rule it out entirely.

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   Kiss andTalesposted 11 years ago

   Yes it is very true of such powers ,but the fact is there is a spirit force that is dangerous to all human kind ,their leader and ruler a  god he is satan , this title meaning a poser  of The Almighty True God, these spirit creatures lost their heavenly positions and where thrown out of heaven for good.To the earth ,They can no longer appear in human form ,but they can infuse in human living bodies. As unclean spirits. They have deceived many people to believe they are talking to dead loved ones, they make people feel they have powers while they are the ones making things happen to gain your involvement of there darkest spirit realm of death. They can actually cause your death as a sacrifice, and if you cross them, they have many personalities like humans, and you have those that will bother you sexually man or women. Many times God has had to rescue many humans from there hands ,because humans do not have the power to ward them off. There is a protection from them, King James list the name Palms 83:18  is true And guaranteed

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   WiccanSageposted 11 years ago

   I don't believe it's possible. I believe real magic is part of nature-- and that there are still things to be learned about how we can utilize natural forces and energies to help us along with our goals. I just don't believe it can alter physical matter like that.

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      Kiss andTalesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      There are many people who have involve themselves in magic and sorcery ,Even the bible have listed those who practice and seek these powers and used them, but there is a warning, just as bad medicine ,has side effects, and poison, if you consume, it is written at
      Deuteronomy 18:10-12 says" There should not be found in you anyone who...
      employs divination, a practicer of magic or anyone who looks for omens or a sorcerer ,or one who binds others with a spell or anyone who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events or anyone who inquires of the dead. For anyone doing these things is something detestable to Almighty God ,YHWH ,JEHOVAH"  this is clearly stated something detestable to him the true God , this ends in death forever, Galatians 5:20  says those that practice such things will not inherit God's Kingdom, meaning you will not be granted future existence. or to live in his favor in the future paradise.

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         WiccanSageposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I don't believe the Bible is anything but mythology, Kiss and Tales. If you believe it, you follow it. Some people believe Scientology. I say good; follow it. Follow what you believe. Just don't expect other people who don't believe it to worry much about it.

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            Kiss andTalesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I find it very interesting that you believe in things God Almighty has created ,food resources from the earth life itself ,and other human creations, as you express communication with them , You believe in human existence , if not why communicate ? All these are written in God's word the bible , even the subject of what you believe in magic. I would rather believe in a source that gave me info on all things vital to life and how to keep living ,your source tells how to die forever.

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               WiccanSageposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               That's silly; that's like saying "How can you believe the Earth exists if you don't believe the Great Mother Gaia invented it in her tinker shop?" 
               
               I believe in the world and people and communication, of course, because I experience them.
               
               I do not believe in your idea that your God created them. Not even a little bit. The Bible is a book of mythology compiled by Bronze Age Hebrews and Roman/Greek Pagan converts, so the Bible saying "God created everything" is like Greek mythology saying "Gaia created the world." Stories.
               
               When it comes to beliefs, what I'd 'rather believe' is irrelevant. I seek actual truth; when I find it, I accept it, whether it's what I'd rather or not. My (or your) personal preferences really have no bearing on what's reality.
               
               Believing what you'd 'rather believe' is essentially self-delusion, but if that's how you choose to live you are certainly entitled. But you're telling my how to live my life by criteria that I deem fictional, I gotta say no...

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                  Kiss andTalesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  You are correct in that you have a right to believe what you wish!  And so do I and many others , But what I will say is  based on my experiences and others and that is , we also have had experiences that are truly real and unforgettable , You believe in a spirit realm that has been sentence by the highest Judge in the universe to everlasting death, which is satan and his demons . They are powerful , yet they do not have a good standing  nor a future . You certainly believe in this because that is where your magic comes from and spells. Yet is so hard for you to accept the spirit realm that is of the true God Jehovah ,which is good and is at peace and that will give life to many in the future forever in a paradise on earth . Your believes can not help people in the future there is no hope to believe in spells and magic ,all it shows is demon power, but it does not help people for the future. Many that have died will return to this earth cleaned up. Many will not be sick any more, many will build houses and not pay money to owned them, many  that are old will be young again, All these are promises that are soon to unfold, This is the Truth ,this is what is right. There is no value in magic other then a short term trick. Isaiah 65:21-25 ,

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                     WiccanSageposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Goddess worshipers have experiences that are truly real and unforgettable.
                     
                     Hindus have experiences that are truly real and unforgettable.
                     
                     Buddhists have experiences that are truly real and unforgettable.
                     
                     I have had experiences that are truly real and unforgettable.
                     
                     So what's your point?
                     
                     By the way, please don't put words in my mouth and **assume** what I believe-- I don't believe in a 'spirit realm'. I'm fairly agnostic about whether spirits exist. 
                     
                     I don't believe in Satan or demons. at all. Not even a little bit. Just like I don't believe in your God. Or other Christian myths.
                     
                     You are an advocate of trusting other people's experiences? Let's see if you are willing to trust mine. In my experiences-- magic comes from nature and psychology. It is not supernatural power-- it is not good or evil. It is simply neutral, natural energies and the natural human brain at work.
                     
                     As for as whether my beliefs can help people in the future-- that's for other people to decide. If they believe they will help they are welcome to learn; if they don't I would not consider preaching to them and telling them what they should believe. 
                     
                     Your beliefs can't help people IMO because they are not true. So again, what is your point? Why do you keep preaching to me as though your beliefs are true when I have told you that in my experience (you say trust experiences) I know they are not?
                     
                     Lots of prophecies from lots of religions say this and that will happen... I don't actually believe yours any more than I believe Scientologists or Hindus or Native Americans or any other 'prophecies' invented by humans. Even  broken clock is right twice a day, that's the extent of it.

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                        A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        The point is obvious, those experience are all bunkum.
                        
                        
                        
                        Sorry, but our understanding of energy does not include magic.

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                           WiccanSageposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           I'm not talking about physical energy measured in a lab. I'm talking about figurative energy, the kind that doesn't actually exist on a physical level but has an impact on us. The way certain art, or music, or poetry, or nature-- whatever-- can psych a person up, make them feel "energized" and inspire them. If you learn the common triggers (like the psychological effects of color or sound) as well as your triggers that you've individually developed through association, you use those feelings deliberately and with purpose to prepare yourself to achieve a goal.
                           
                           If you don't believe in magic by all means, don't practices it. I'm not asking you to, and I'm not asking you to even believe. But to call my personal experiences 'bunkum' would not only be wrong, but pretty arrogant since you don't even know me.
                           
                           I personally am not a Vulcan or a robot. I don't live my life by lab results and don't feel the need to do so. I have a "right brain" and a "left brain". I believe experiences  can be meaningful whether we interpret the literal event correctly or not. Myths have meaning, even if they didn't happen. Actions and beliefs can touch us and change us, no matter if something is going on that can be proven in a lab or not. Which means they *do* work-- just as a placebo can work on a sick patient even though it contains no medicine. If I can make something work for me, I'm pretty happy with it; even if it's a 'spiritual' art. I'm a creative person, I can't think in terms of lab reports and facts. If I needed an explanation for how something works before I could use it, I would never have touched a computer.
                           
                           To say magic cannot do anything supernatural, break the laws of physics, etc. I would agree and accept it. To say it doesn't work or doesn't exist is like saying Judaism doesn't exist or fulfill a person because you don't believe in the Torah.
                           
                           You look at magic from a scientific standpoint only, and how it affects the physical. I look at it from a philosophical/psychological standpoint, how it affects the mood/emotion (utilizing things that speak to something deep and primal in our brains) to bring about change.

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                              A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              But, that is the only energy that exists, the energy in reality.
                              
                              
                              
                              Sorry, but invisible and undetectable energy has never been shown to exist.
                              
                              
                              
                              That isn't energy, that is something entirely different.
                              
                              
                              
                              It doesn't matter whether I know you or not, you are not special and have no magical powers. You are human, like everyone else.
                              
                              
                              
                              Again, you're just talking about things that have never been shown to exist that make you happy, they are not part of reality, despite the fact they make you happy.
                              
                              Others find happiness in reality and don't need fantasies to make them happy.
                              
                              
                              
                              Delusion and indoctrination are powerful tools. And, unlike Judaism and the Torah, magic has not been shown to exist.
                              
                              
                              
                              Yes, reality vs. fantasy. Understanding reality brings about change, fantasy brings about delusion.

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      A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      And yet, nature does not demonstrate, reveal or show any forms of magic whatsoever. Perhaps, you are confusing the ignorance of those who have no understanding of science and believe it is all magic.

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         Kiss andTalesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         What you see and what you believe is real to you, and what some one else see's and experience is real to them. So you comment is good for you.

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            A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            So, you are saying you are "special" amongst others in that you have experienced things that others have not and those things have led you to believe reality is not what it appears to be, but something entirely different?

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               Kiss andTalesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               example ,What I am saying if you never had a baby , you can not tell some one that has had one about the experience ! You can not tell them it is not a real situation ,because you never experienced this event. which means in reality you being a man never will, but does that mean it is not possible to have babies?

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                  A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  So, rather than answering the question, you provided something totally irrelevant.

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                     Kiss andTalesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     All things you do not agree with is irrelevant when it is clearly the truth ,you are not looking for truth you are looking for an argument as always, I just replied to you anyway knowing the out come of your answer is always the same.It is nice that you reply ,thank you.

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                        A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        You haven't offered any truths. You have only offered the false premise that you are special.

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                           Kiss andTalesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           that is is in your special mind! to give me such a compliment ,thank you.

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               WiccanSageposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               It's not in that objective reality is different; the difference is interpretation and how one views things through subjective reality.

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                  A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Sure, but reality does not care how we interpret it, reality will be as it is despite our interpretations.

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                     WiccanSageposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Of course reality doesn't care. That's what I said. Objective reality isn't different... it's the way we interpret it through our subjective realities that is different. In my subjective reality, things exist that your subjective reality tell you don't exist. Subjective reality has more of an impact on our lives in most cases than objective reality- and in most cases, people don't distinguish much from objective and their subjective reality because they take it for granted that they are one in the same.

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                        A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        In other words, you believe in fantasies and I don't.

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         WiccanSageposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         A troubled man, depends on your definition of magic. If you mean hocus-pocus like in movies and folklore (flying brooms, fireballs, making things go 'poof') I agree, nature doesn't show it.
         
         For me magic is a spiritual art rooted in nature and psychology. It works for me. But I have realistic expectations of what I can accomplish with it. If you don't believe it or don't believe it works, by all means don't waste your time on it.

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            A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Sure, if you want to redefine terms to suit your personal beliefs, that's fine, but nonsense is still nonsense no matter what label you want to assign it. And, if nonsense works for you, that's fine too. Whatever floats your magical boat.

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               WiccanSageposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Words are arbitrary; many words have more than 1 definition, which is what I'm referring to (that some definitions I'll agree are fiction yet others I do not consider fiction).  And words are often redefined; language evolves. I didn't redefine Witchcraft, this is came out of a 20th century movement that started before I was born.
               
               "Nonsense" is also an arbitrary term. If something makes sense to you, works for you, you get something out of it, it's not nonsense to you... even if it's nonsense to someone else.

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                  A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Really? So, which words are you referring to and what different definition do they have? Please explain.

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   Kiss andTalesposted 11 years ago

   Indeed, quite a number of those who practiced magical+ arts brought their books together and burned them up before everybody. And they calculated together the prices of them and found them worth fifty thousand pieces of silver. 20 Thus in a mighty way the word of Jehovah* kept growing and prevailing, Acts 19:19 ,the amount in silver at that time was worth $ 37,000 dollars, Really their love for the true God Jehovah was real !

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   FatFreddysCatposted 11 years ago

   

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   rasta1posted 11 years ago

   According to Einstein's formula and string theory it is indeed possible. Quantum theory supports the fact that everything you see is simply emitting energy at a different wavelengths. This is what gives each thing its shape and characteristics. String theory claims that if we can change the electromagnetic frequency of an object then we could change its mass and functionality. Einstein's formula E=MC^2 proves that energy can translate to mass and mass moving at the speed of light equates to pure energy. Therefore, it should be possible to convert mass to pure light energy and transfer this energy to another location, then transform that pure energy back to physical form.

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   gmwilliamsposted 11 years ago

   
   Man, where is THIS "conversation"  going?
   
   
   WE'LL see where this conversation is going!
   
   
   NOWHERE.........Thought Star Trek was strange, this is EVEN STRANGER..........

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    Kiss andTalesposted 11 years ago

    What you are saying makes sense to you I do not dispute that , and I will ended here ,you can not not control the powers concerning life and death nor the future, so magic does not have any weight at all.

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