What is your idea of heaven?

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   schoolgirlforrealposted 9 years ago

   I think of heaven as being united to a husband, but that husband being God, who is so much more faithful and true.
   
   I imagine many men not wanting to serve in heaven, as even I do feel, but when I feel that way, I remember...that our God is an awesome God! (like the song)..and that in the gospels it says we would be like his FRIENDS...which is (not) slavery!!!!

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      Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Sounds like you have a problem with men?

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      gmwilliamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Heaven is a place where the highest levels of consciousness is reached.  It is also a place where one is totally merged and united with the Godhead or Ultimate Universal Consciousness.  It is also a place of supreme beauty and goodness in addition to the highest level of positivity.  It is a place where there is no more pain and other forms of negativity.  Heaven is bliss and the ultimate nirvana.
      

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         Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         That's just an opinion. That's wishful thinking.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Yep!

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   Zelkiiroposted 9 years ago

   My idea of heaven would be a deep, restful, eternal sleep.
   
   That whole "streets of gold and jade palaces" nonsense just sounds garish and flashy.

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   FatFreddysCatposted 9 years ago

   My idea of heaven would be to get locked in a room with the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders and a fifty gallon drum of Cool Whip dessert topping.
   
   ...am I the only one??

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      Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      No good if they don't find you attractive, so I'd add that to your wish if I were you.

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         FatFreddysCatposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Awwww c'mon, it's MY Heaven... of COURSE they'd all find me startlingly handsome!

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            wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Sorry, the whiskers are too long and the nose too big.
            
            The fur might make up for some of that, though.  Girls like cuddly things.

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   getitriteposted 9 years ago

   A place where there are no delusional people believing in illogical mythical gods....that would be a good start.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years ago

   Heaven is a place of love for reality, of calmness, of peace.
   It is being awake, yet peaceful.

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   schoolgirlforrealposted 9 years ago

   Um good answers, lol. Yeah I have a problem with some men, yes....

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      Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      It's rather obvious in your writings. I've found it a good idea to treat all people without preconceived notions. I'm sure you wouldn't make the same comments based on race.

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   schoolgirlforrealposted 9 years ago

   No, of course not.

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   tillsontitanposted 9 years ago

   My idea would of course be filled with love, happiness, and family, pets, and friends (not necessarily in that order).  But, of course that is an earthly view of heaven.  Perhaps God in his infinite wisdome has other plans and we might wind up as angels!

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   EncephaloiDeadposted 9 years ago

   Heaven would be a place where there is no ignorance, which means heaven, as a religious concept, would not even exist because it is a concept based on ignorance.

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Bliss.

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      Emile Rposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Every firmly held conclusion concerning the cosmos is, at this moment,  based in ignorance. Heaven is nothing more than a firmly held conclusion concerning the cosmos. Is it your argument that one opinion based in ignorance is less ignorant than another opinion based in ignorance? If so please explain. Because you appear to be pushing a conclusion based in ignorance in opposition to another.

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         EncephaloiDeadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Really? I thought it was based on observations. Perhaps, you should be addressing all cosmologists in the world with your insight.
         
         
         
         You appear to be the one pushing a conclusion based on ignorance.

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            Emile Rposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            I don't think any cosmetologist of merit thinks they know everything there is to know about the cosmos. So, in the context of my comment, your rebuttal lacks merit.

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               EncephaloiDeadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               You moved the goalposts, no one said anything about cosmologists knowing everything there is to know.
               
               
               
               The context has changed, you changed it.

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                  Emile Rposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Hi ATM. I'd go back and forth and back and forth and then do it again and again....but what's the point? I stand behind my statement which you either didn't understand, or didn't like. So firmly behind it I'll say it again. Any firmly held conclusions concerning the cosmos (this is a religion and philosophy forum so, the comment applies to religion and philosophy) is couched in ignorance.

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                     EncephaloiDeadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     Neither, your statement was invalid.

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                        Emile Rposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        No. It wasn't, although I certainly understand why you would hope it was.

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                           EncephaloiDeadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           Once again, you assign something that has no bearing on the discussion to your invalid statement. What I hope for or don't hope for does nothing to change your invalid statement.

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                     Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     You think E=mc2 is couched in ignorance? What about our current understanding of gravity? What about our knowledge of how old the universe is?

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                        EncephaloiDeadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        Emile, like so many believers, is of the "all or nothing" mindset. If science hasn't answered every single question imaginable, then science is obviously ignorant. She refuses to acknowledge just how much science does know about the universe, but that could also be a result of ignorance on her part.

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                           Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           I've met so many people who think that everyone must think just like themselves. My father in-law is narcissistic with Alzheimer's. He refuses to admit he has memory problems because he thinks everyone else does as well. He is also afraid of being alone at night and swears everyone is. I'm not saying Emile has Alzheimer's.

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                        Emile Rposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        I know you don't understand. Unfortunately, wishful thinking doesn't change the fact that our level of knowledge is only the tip of the iceberg of information we will eventually obtain. Years from now, they'll be discussing how backward and ignorant their ancestors were (us being the ancestors).
                        
                        Sorry. We don't know everything. I can't live the delusion you and ATM appear to wish we all could.

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                           gmwilliamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           Emile, there are realities beyond the worldly.  Yes, there is an afterlife and afterworlds of higher and lower consciousness.  Religionists and theologians based upon their limited purview and knowledge cosigned such worlds as the heavenly and hellish realms which we go to based upon our level of earthly consciousness.  You are correct that as humankind becomes more evolved, our consciousness and knowledge will become more spiritualized, KNOWING that there there is a world beyond this realm.
                           

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                              Emile Rposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                              Well, i don't know that i can agree with that. I don't know of any information available, at the moment, which would lend weight to that opinion. It's like ATM stating definitively that there is no heaven. Who knows?

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                           Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           Oh I didn't say we know everything. I asked you if E=mc2 is couched in ignorance?

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                              Emile Rposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                              Out of curiosity, what does that have to do with religion and philosophy? Because that is the subject at hand.

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                                 Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                 It was you who brought up our understanding of the cosmos. Are you going to answer the question?

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                                    Emile Rposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                    Again. We are in a religion and philosophy forum. We are discussing religion and philosophy. You can't mix apples and oranges. Well, you can. I've done it and it's quite tasty. But, that isn't the point. My statement, which I stand behind, was in the context of religion and philosophy. You can't definitively rule out anything without full knowledge. To do so means you are coming to a conclusion from a position of ignorance. Now, this doesn't mean you are ignorant. It simply means you are ignoring the obvious fact that you are in the dark, on some level.

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                                       EncephaloiDeadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       Nice cop out.
                                       
                                       
                                       
                                       No one is ruling anything out and not having full knowledge about something doesn't mean we are ignorant about it if we do indeed have a great deal of understanding about it. Your statements fail.

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                                       Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       And how do we gain knowledge of the cosmos? We gather information and see if it conflicts or lines up with religion. The age of the universe, the shape of the earth, the shape of the universe, how it works. Some say the bible says the earth is 6000 years old, we can compare that with what we do know. The Quran says the earth is egg shaped, we can compare that to what we do know. The bible makes all kinds of claims about the shape of the earth and what the sun and moon do, we can compare those things to what we do know.

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                                          Emile Rposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                          Yes. We can certainly determine what we don't know and whether the things we claim to know are true or false. You appear to think I'm an advocate of religion. I don't see how you came to that conclusion by my statement. I am simply an advocate for honesty.

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                                 EncephaloiDeadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                 But, you were the one that said:
                                 
                                 

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                           EncephaloiDeadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           No one said we did, but you are dishonestly using that as your argument that scientists are ignorant about cosmology, which is certainly not true.

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    schoolgirlforrealposted 9 years ago

    Heaven exists because God exists and God exists because his grace is evident and also we are not animals.

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       wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Well, we certainly aren't plants!  Virus's maybe?

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       getitriteposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks for just making that up.  But for real though.... LOL

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       Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Grace like the guinea worm, a parasite that feeds off and causes intense pain and deformation to mammals including us humans.
       
       http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracunculiasis

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       gmwilliamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       We are SPIRITUAL BEINGS having a HUMAN experience.
       

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    awareposted 9 years ago

    heaven has gray  sky's in the morning. and hazel ones at night.it always rains when you need it most. and the fish always bite. heaven has not a gate or a fence to keep ones out. its a meadow a sea a desert  , vast all at once. the surf is always high  and the waves welcoming to ride. there's no lawn to mow or line to tow in sight.heavens not forever . for forever is to much time. heaven is brief. that's what makes it so sublime .

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