When the Holy Spirit directs us to pray for a lost person, the healing of a sick person, or for any need, we pray confidently. But should we claim a soul for Christ or pray for the healing of someone if we've not heard any direction from the Lord? I've "claimed" a soul for Christ based on the promises of God on a couple of occasions, with very intense and strange results. My desire is to pray for all people, but should I wait for the Holy Spirit to tell me who and what to pray for?
As prayer has been proven to be ineffective I would say it doesn't make any difference whether you listen to the voices in your head or not.
When you say "lost" - what does that mean?
I don't think Cat has voices in her head. I think she's faking it. For attention probably.
Who knows? Maybe she does hear voices that tell her to do things. In which case she needs help.
She's simply confused. She thinks that little voice in our head that tell us to be good and pray is a connection to God. She now appears to think God needs her direction.
This may be off topic a bit (nor not, I'm not sure) but I'll ask it anyway as I'm curious.
I've always been told that God has a plan for everyone; that nothing happens outside His plan for us all. If that is true, what is the purpose of praying for someone to get well, to find a new car, to get pregnant or whatever it is they want/need? If it is a part of God's plan it will happen; if not it will not regardless of how many prayers are made.
So why pray? To show humility to the god that already knows? To show other people how pious we are? To show how small we are compared to god, which He already knows? Why pray for things to happen, when it is already planned? Do we expect God to changes his plans for the future of all people because we want Aunt Cindy to live?
Why pray - because God has instructed us to do so; because we care; because it is His will and His plan that we be "fellow workers" with him, even though we don't deserve this honor; because while He foreknows what will happen he has permitted that we play a part and make a difference. Some things will happen no matter what - Jesus was going to be crucified no matter what because this was the needed plan, so even if his followers had prayed in err that he not be crucified, it had to happen. But some things may be left to us and depend on our actions, our obedience, etc. (they are still known ahead of time to God, but dependent on what humans do or don't do).
I'm sorry, but your answer is the same old ploy I've heard a hundred times: God knows all but we can still affect the future. You can't have it both ways, no matter how hard you try to avoid the inevitable conclusion of "God knows the future".
Yesterday, I left my change from a recent grocery store purchase, on the night stand. Gia is a lose change, and 1 dollar fanatic. All bills, no matter the number nor face, equal ONE DOLLAR, she so happily reports. But I digress...
I can be sure that she is very apt to collect her "salary" for being my kid (I guess)
Because no matter the threat, she has got to have that "one dollar."
Now, can she decide that this time, she will listen to her mother, and be sure to respect other people's stuff?
If she takes it, will it be my doing (because I know her)??? Or, does she ALWAYS have a chance to leave the dollar alone???
Whether she leaves the money alone or not depends on what God saw in her (and your) future. If he knows she will, she will. If He knows she will take it, she will. She cannot changed what God already knows will happen.
My former employer came to know that on Monday, I'd be late. Does it mean that I could not EVER get there on time on Mondays?
God knows what our decision will be. No matter how many times we change our minds. Reason that thing out a bit better. Just because he knows you so well, doesn't mean he takes away your ability to decide.
No man can know the future, so your employer can only guess. On the other hand, God CAN know the future (He is omniscient) and does.
So your employer cannot know if you will be on time (although can make a shrewd guess based on past performance), but God DOES know. And if He knows you will be late...then you will be late, with zero chance of being on time. You cannot change what God knows.
I feel like I'm on candid camera. Just a second ago, there was some semblance of reasoning. Now... nothin'! How in the world... it really takes some shrewd inspiration to do THAT kind of mental tumbling.
You are convinced that God is responsible for your decision because he knows what it will be... I guess it would kinda be a safety button. But Lord, you MADE me chose this!!!
I am sure that MANY are opting for that explanation.
I wonder how it will fare... well, no I don't.
So god is going to change his decision (what he knows will happen in the future), which was taken even before you were born, because of your prayers?
Or may be your god is not omniscient after all, he is simply making educated guesses like any human and made a miscalculation about jesus.
Hey! God dont make no miscalcifications!!! Lol...
He says, "If (did you hear that? He said if...) my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray; I will hear from heaven and heal their land. Or something like that...
So...moral of the story AGAIN is, it ALL depends on you.
His plan will go forth with or without...
So god is going to change the future he divined just because I pray? Does he frequently change his mind? Does he know before hand that he will change his mind?
But god didn't hear his son's prayer!! Oh now only I noticed that you too have changed your stance in the last para... so god does whatever he wants irrespective of your prayers.
Talk of contradictions, are you trying deception. ...??!!
If his plan is for me to be poor ALL my life... then I can forget my millions. But he is no micromanager.
He does not pull the strings of our lives. There are an infinite number of options for carrying out his plan of saving the world and bringing us unto himself.
My opting to polish my toenails or not; or take a walk to the corner store is not factored in.
Foul!!! Water animals. Not feathered! You have GOT to play this game more often! Youmay be getn rusty.
You were using a Red Herring and then "playing" ostrich!
Foreknowing is not the same as dictating.
Somehow our puny human minds have to reconcile these truths: 1) his ultimate will is going to be accomplished, and yet 2) we are given choice and freedom and he will act according to our choices and actions. Those who give their lives to the Lord and submit to him have their steps guided by him. They no longer resist his will, but work with him and allow him to work in and through their lives.
Some things MUST happen no matter what. So Jesus's life HAD to be maintained until the time of his crucifixion and then he HAD to be crucified. We have free will and things will play out, but it MAY be that at times God "overrides" someone's free will for his divine purposes. We're told that he "hardened" the hearts of people on a few pivotal occasions. Seems it's the exception, done to ensure something of the utmost importance comes to be. We could also be translating and understanding this in too human a way. If all hearts are hard until softened by the Lord, then by him not softening, he is in one sense "hardening" the heart. Yet the hardening is still of the person and his own natural way and inclination.
That's right, do as you super-ego asks. It has you convinced you are simply a zombie to your super-ego.
Which is exactly what I said; that the two cannot be reconciled. You choose to ignore the dichotomy and pretend it doesn't exist, which is certainly your choice, but pretending doesn't make it true. It simply means you don't want to recognize the problem.
The limited human mind's need for everything to be "either / or" does NOT mean the two are not reconciled. The ultimate, grand will of God will be done! Yet we make our decisions and the consequences result.
So let's take, for example, the exhortation in Scriptures for us to pray that the plight (fleeing into the mountains) does not take place in the wintertime. Either we listen or we don't; and it seems this will determine when it takes place. God foreknows what will happen, but may allow it to happen either way, depending on what we do or don't do.
"God foreknows what will happen, but may allow it to happen either way, depending on what we do or don't do."
Not possible, and all the cries that we just can't understand won't change that. Faith does not produce truth, and believing the impossible, by definition IS possible doesn't make it so.
The "impossible" in the natural IS POSSIBLE WITH GOD, who is not bound by the natural, but exists in the supernatural and is all-powerful. You can believe it or not. If you have faith even "the size of a mustard seed" then you will see those naturally "impossible" things occurring, which we do according to our faith; but if you do not have any faith, you will not.
God is infinitely wise and all-knowing. All the pieces fit together for him, though we cannot begin to grasp it. He is not constrained by our time, but is eternal and knows the beginning as well as the end. We make/made our choices; he is looking over it from another dimension.
Replace holy spirit with super-ego they are the same thing.
Wilderness makes another excellent point. Do you think your God is not capable of knowing what to do next?
When we talk to God, we're praying. When God talks to us, we're schizophrenic. ~Jane Wagner
God is capable of knowing. Please see the response to Wilderness.
If you pray, you should pray for all. Aren't you directed to love your neighbor as yourself? If you feel someone is in need and you think prayer would help you should consider yourself obligated to offer assistance.
Thank you, Emile R, I appreciate your thoughtful response. We are to love our neighbors as ourselves. I've always thought we should pray for all as we see need as well. But I was wondering if maybe we should wait for the direction of the Holy Spirit, at least for what to pray. For example, if someone is sick, should we pray for healing, or should we simply lift them in prayer to God (not praying for healing or anything specific unless directed to do so). And should we pray for the salvation of others, or again simply lift them in prayer to God for his will to be done?
Pray for all, at all times. Claiming a soul is different. if the Holy Ghost gives you a specific person to pray for, then by all means pray for that one person.
Pay no mind to the naysayers. They are blind to the truth.
This thread is hilarious.
I especially like the self righteous "claiming souls" stuff.
GOD .........is.......ALL..........THE ULTIMATE..............PEACE.......BEAUTY.........ABUNDANCE.........HAPPINESS..........GOODNESS.................
It's a wonder that some people have stayed in it so long.
Thank you, Sir Dent. Your encouraging and wise words are always appreciated.
What do you think of claiming a soul for Christ? I've only done it a couple of times, but I think there's so much more to spiritual warfare than we realize, and I started questioning the approach recently. The first time it was like it suddenly dawned on me that I could claim a soul for Christ based on the words and promises of God - the word that it is not his will that any should perish but all come to repentance, and his promise that if we ask anything according to his will, it will be done. So I said with confidence that since it was his will that all come to repentance, then according to his will I asked/claimed "Joe's" soul for Christ. It resulted in an experience unlike any others. You may have heard me mention this before - I went to bed hours later not thinking of the prayer, but jumped awake in the night seeing hundreds of demons hovering near the ceiling with a single thought that the demons were "all here pissed off about Joe". I experienced this three times in the night - waking to see hundreds of demons hovering overhead, with the single thought that they were all here angry about Joe. Joe was a person who at the time went around work telling everyone that the bible was just a bunch of made-up stories. I never told Joe or any co-workers about the experience. Recently Joe's been crying out "God help me" in the presence of co-workers and has now expressed belief in God and a desire for / praise of God.
I more recently claimed someone else's soul for Christ and received a strange instruction regarding them, and almost sensed I should not have prayed the prayer. I'm thinking maybe I stepped out of line in a way and should have waited the Spirit's instruction (though that was not the sense I got with the previous person). I was wondering if any believers had any words, insights or knowledge in this area.
We have been given power, in Christ. The Holy Spirit empowers us and guides us into all truth.
After reading your post, my mind went to Elijah. Elijah had power to shut up the heavens so it did not rain for over three years. He told Ahab that it will not rain until "I" say it will.
EDIT: I forgot to say you are welcome. Also, the young woman that followed Paul around and had devils cast out, her handlers or owners, (whichever they were) became angry and threatened Paul. They lost their meal ticket.
Unclean spirits do get mad when one of theirs is moved over to God's side. Imagine the rejoicing in heaven over one soul, and the opposite in hell over that same soul.
We can also go into the New Testament. Words have power, when spoken in the Spirit. The tongue can speak life or death. It can bless or it can curse. There is power in the tongue.
I understand sometimes we speak out of turn, been there and done that. That doesn't mean God doesn't hear us and sometimes he will honor it anyway. Each situation is different, depending on the person.
Funny. Weren't you like that you were not born in a muslim family? ?
And you are here for???? Need prayer? You do not believe in prayer so it must be just to mock. In the words of Job, let me have my say, then mock on.
I love to read your words, Sir Dent, they are always a blessing to me.
When I consider the power available through the Holy Spirit and the power of the tongue, I am simultaneously humbled and motivated.
So true! I'm so thankful to God for his Word, and thankful to you and all those who speak them.
He is speaking from the Word of God, through the power of the Holy Spirit who gives understanding, knowledge, and all that is helpful or needed.
Yea if he is speaking my opinion he is holy spirit. What else can he be? It's my opinion, mine!!
Wasn't RadMan god's voice?
The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit. His people recognize his voice, whether in another believer or within us where He resides.
When someone speaks their own words, rather than the words of God, their words may have some value related to earthly things, but not related to spiritual matters.
So god has a spirit and body, what will happen to god's body when the spirit is away? Will it function normally?
You are speaking your own words, only you are claiming holiness to your words by attributing it to god.
If there is a god you have no way to know what he thinks and wants. Mistaking some books written by ancient charlatans as god words while discarding all the others is dishonesty and ignorance.
God is Spirit (John 4:24). His Spirit is everywhere; in this way God is everywhere. So it is with him (Father) on the throne, and also with us and throughout the world. Jesus Christ came to earth in a human body (God in the flesh; God with us) to save us from sin and the resulting death, and to reconcile us with God the Father. The Christ was killed to make atonement for us, raised to life again, and given a new spiritual body. Jesus now sits beside the Father on his throne. He will be returning in his spiritual body for his people and to reign on earth. This earth and "heavens" (skies, universe) will be destroyed and the new earth and heavens created.
I haven't mentioned holiness. But I'm glad to see you understand that God's words are holy. In the natural we have no way of knowing the mind or will of God, "but God has revealed to us by [his] Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God" (1 Corinthians 2:10). We know the truth of the Scriptures because the Holy Spirit has revealed them as truth to us.
And yet...I have asked several in these forums how they distinguish God's voice from that of their own intellect or conscience. None have given any answer - do you have one beyond "I just know"?
God's voice always agrees with what is written in scripture.
Could you close your eyes and know one of your children from the other?
When you get a report that one of your children has done something to the neighbor's yard or house; can you imagine in your head which of your children definitely did NOT do it? Which one possibly did? Do you treat all of your children the same? If no, like everyone else on the planet, why the difference?
We distinguish God's voice through the Holy Spirit. To recognize his voice and distinguish it from our own, we must listen with "spiritual ears". To hear his voice, we must abide in him. The Spirit within us will confirm what is from the Lord.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
Just your super-ego talking you into doing what it desires. What's it like being fooled by your own mind?
I must have a pretty impressive superego, then! It can even tell me things that are about to happen and things that are occurring unknown to me - like when I will win a victory, when a new season will come (before it comes), when a "storm" or attack is about to come, where to go look for something, what someone is up to behind my back, what someone's unknown need is, and on and on. But then I do also live a life of amazing and wonderful "coincidences". If it's just me and my superego, and if I'm just experiencing coincidences, then WOW!
AND I'm not the only one! We Christians so often have amazing superegos and amazing coincidences on a regular basis! That is, if it's us and not the Lord. What can I say but again - WOW!!
LOL, I know when it's going to storm as well. Sorry, but if you had magic powers you would be able to prove it.
Relying on your own abilities, you do know it's going to storm when you see threatening clouds. But when it's sunny with no sign of any storm and you're foretold or given specifics about an unexpected, sudden storm, that's a different story. And when your life is one coincidence after another WHEN YOU WALK WITH THE LORD BUT NOT WHEN YOU DO NOT, that's something else.
Ahhhhhhh, no it's not. I've done it many times. That's what intuition is for. We pick up changes in air pressure and relate that to what's happened in the past. Hell, I don't even have to predict a storm myself, I can just watch my dog and know when a storm is coming. He knows it's coming way before I do. Anyone with a dog will tell you that. Your super-ego has a hold on you.
Some storms have been brand new to me. Couldn't have predicted them, never experienced them before. Some at work, some at home...
If they've been telling you X over and over, and then the Lord says they're going to come tell you Y because I have a new season for you, and right then they come and tell you Y...
So even if you want to convince me I have great intuition and it's all my superego, what's up with all these coincidences?
LOL, my dog predicts storms better than you or me. If you had a dog you would know that.
Coincidences? I've seen them as well, they are just that, coincidences.
You are being had by your own mind.
If we were talking about literal storms, then your comment about your dog predicting them better than us would make sense, but it's a little strange when we're talking about figurative storms. Btw, I do have a dog and am aware that they can sense storms coming (literal storms, that is, which we weren't talking about).
Really? You've had "coincidences" of the magnitude I discussed in that long post to Wilderness which you probably didn't read. And did you even have a peace ahead of time because your super snazzy superego told you ahead of time that your needs would be taken care of by super coincidences?
Did you read what the idea of "coincidence" is deemed to be? A family of 15,000, daily winning the lottery. What are the odds???
Go ahead and find me another extended family that are all individual billionaires. You guys think getting a cheque in the mail for $1460 is an act of God. LOL.
I do not know a family of 15,000 people. Though I would LOVE to see THEIR chances in Illinois.
Yes, figure out the chances using the exact missing and needed amount ($1480 btw) of all amounts, the exact needed time of all times... Consider every two weeks of my forty years of life when such checks are not needed and don't come... Consider that it happened all over again the following pay period and factor in the chances of that...
Nope!!! You had ME at 2+2! that's all I need... now others may need a calculator. But I can do math...
Whatever be the chance, it is greater than winning a lottery three times in a row or certainly greater than jesus being a historical person.
Considering christians are not reliable in faith related material and considering christians are prone to create "miracle" where there is none, I think, the story is, consciously or unconsciously, embellished. RadMan will, I guess, say that super ego is playing tricks.
My super-ego tells me not to cheat on my wife and take good care of her and my children. 25 years and going. Your super-ego perhaps should have told you to dress down with your around young troubled teens.
So you have nothing to say about being foretold of the coming storm/battle out of the blue and being foretold of the victory, as God had me where he wanted me.
Good to know you support sexual harassment (and here you try to pretend you're such an advocate of what's right). I hear administration there has just accused another youthful female therapist of having an affair with coworkers based on gossip. She may get a lawyer. I did, but for another situation there (direct sexual harassment by a top person). More testimony there: I was told by my employers that I should keep silent about it based on his position, as he was more powerful than I; then I was told by a lawyer that I wouldn't be victorious in a lawsuit, as I was fighting those much more powerful than me - fighting two government agencies. But God told me something else. In fact, he gave me a promise of victory. I doubt you know much about sexual harassment cases but they are VERY, VERY RARELY SUCCESSFUL AT ALL, and when they are you get VERY LITTLE out of them (barely enough to cover court costs). But all went just as God promised - with no money I got a lawyer on contingency (rarely done), relied on God and won against the two government agencies I was told I couldn't beat. Got a settlement of $80,000 and maintained the right to talk about my case (something that almost never happens, as they're attempting to buy your silence in settlements). But I guess to you it's ALL coincidence and a super superego.
So what exactly is the reason god decided to promise You specifically a victory in a minor sexual harassment case over actual rape cases and pretty much everything else that is much, much worse than sexual harassment?
See post to Rad Man for more details on the case; when overall corruption, people's careers, etc. are involved, it's not really so minor.
The reasons he would promise victory:
"Those who trust in the Lord will not be put to shame." (Romans 10:11; Daniel 3) A specific promise he gave to me.
When a person's "delight is in the law of the Lord, and on his law he meditates day and night...In all that he does, he prospers.” (Psalm 1:2,3)
"The Lord's unfailing love surrounds the one who trusts in him." (Psalm 32:10)
What of those who do not yet have victory? They need not lose heart. For the victorious One is coming soon and will come with justice for them!
I didn't know this was how Omri, Shalmanaser, Al Rasheed, Timur...... got their victories!
IF any of them were given a promise by God about victory and trusted him for that victory, then you can be sure He did bring it about.
Omri prayed to Baal, Shalmanaser to Asur and Marduk, Rasheed and Timur to Allah so they are all gods?
Baal is Yahweh's brother but what about Asur and Marduk, Yahweh's sworn enemies?
So not only none of them prayed to your god, none of them was promised by any god.
Can hallucinating god be taken as seeing god?
Doesn't sound like any of them prayed to God if what you say is true (and no, Baal is not Yahweh's brother). If you've been reading the posts, you'll see that it is not implied that ONLY God's people have victories. God sends the rain on both the righteous and the wicked, just as it is written. I doubt any of them ever believed they were given a promise by God or ever gave such testimony. The evidence of God doesn't relate to how much we get, but whether his words and promises are fulfilled.
They were praying to the gods they thought existed just like you do.
According to the bible Yahweh is the son of El and according to Israel tradition Baal is also the son of El.
If it is the fact, then all of them are figments of human imagination.
Tomorrow there will be rain says A, tomorrow there will be no rain says A. So whether it rains or not A's words are fulfilled. Your god is no different. You twist it such that whatever happens it is fulfillment of god's words.
There is no god's words but only words purported to be from it.
You say you won a case against two government agencies because someone asked you to please stop wearing provocative close around troubled teenagers and you expect me to believe it folded out as God intended? Sounds like you were very well liked there? I guess God's plan was for you to sue the governments for what most likely amounted to about 4 years of pay?
You must have been a great social worker with those trouble teens, what was it about a year ago that you told someone that was admitting that they were having hallucinations that those hallucinations may be real?
My super-ego doesn't tell me to sue the government for cash, it tells me not to cheat on my wife, not to steal and not to hurt anyone. But you go ahead and pretend you are not responsible for winning your own case.
You remind me of a pro athlete who thanks God for the win.
Now if you could just tell me something you couldn't possible know?
First, the problem wasn't what I wore. It wasn't that I dressed differently than the other women, it was that I looked different. I got a lot of attention in suits/blazers. I was being told to dress less professionally (big baggy sweater over everything), not more professionally. My supervisor had in her evaluations that I "always dressed professionally". Doesn't make sense to you? Maybe this will clarify. You probably know about bra sizes - a 32 is a very thin person; a DDD is a very large chested person. They rarely sell 32DDDs because it's so uncommon. Women who are 32DDD will get a lot of attention. If a superintendent decides that it's easier just to get rid of that person because of the attention, that's sexual harassment.
Nonetheless, my case wasn't about that (as I stated in my post, my lawsuit was about direct sexual harassment by a leader there; I guess you missed it). Another "storm" surfaced years later. My case was about a man who continually made sexually inappropriate remarks, acted in sexually inappropriate ways, and so on. Because he was a leader there, it affected my work more than any remarks by the staff who watched the kids. My lawsuit was also about retaliation there - what happened (and didn't happen) after I reported the harassment, simply asking them to ensure he stopped. Correctional facilities are often a little behind in this area - they didn't investigate and didn't ensure he stopped. When I involved my actual employers, they also failed and said I'd be better off keeping silent about it if I wanted to maintain my position because there wasn't a lot they could do (he wasn't their employee) and he was more powerful than I was. Both agencies retaliated in a variety of ways thereafter, including: prevented me from going to meetings at detention that all the therapists attended; had me doing three times the work of other employees, threatened to remove me from detention based on my reports of harassment and the situation; finally determined to transfer me. The detention center was full of corruption, deceit (even falsified documents) and inappropriate practices, which all came out. My harasser should have been fired long ago for child abuse, as CPS found him guilty of rubbing a juvenile male's face in his urine and scratching his face on the floor (boy peed on the floor, as troubled kids sometimes do) and recommended he be terminated. Instead, because this man was their "pet", they promoted him to a position not directly dealing with kids, and continued to promote him thereafter. He also had multiple reports of sexual harassment against him, none of which were investigated or dealt with. Just as God had promised AHEAD OF TIME, he upheld my case and held accountable those who engaged in a myriad of inappropriate behaviors. Such victories are EXTREMELY rare when it comes to sexual harassment cases, especially when someone has no money for a good lawyer, and especially when the case is against government agencies. Considering the rarity of success and all that was going against me, "chances" are that any "imagined" promise of God would have proven the opposite. But my God is faithful to all his promises!
Your response, Rad Man, is indicative of those who "blame the victim" and indirectly support sexual harassment and rape. You assumed I was the one in the wrong (blamed the way I dressed) and "corrected" me rather than holding the perpetrators responsible. It's the same underlying attitude that caused/causes men in other times and places to stone women once they've made a judgment on them. Yours is just a watered down version based on our specific culture. You might as well stop pretending your such an advocate of women's and others' rights.
LOL. I was directly asked to change my appearance (and dress down) when I meet clients by my boss a few years back because he wanted to be the only suite. I said okay. One of my kids has a job at an amusement part and he has a uniform that he needs to wear. You may have been dressed professional, but that doesn't mean it was appropriate. Of course I'm unaware of your can and don't really care, but it's silly to pretend your case was directed by God. I can tell you that it does make sense that you would think it would be promised by God just as it makes sense that the Saudi family thinks their riches were promised by God.
Oh, but Rad Man, if only I had not been victorious (and chances weighed HEAVILY on that side), then I would have been able to see that what I heard as a promise from God was only my "superego" or my "imagination". Too bad I lost that opportunity, and I'll just keep being deceived. Too bad EVERY time God foretells me something or makes a promise to me it comes to pass. All these wasted chances for me to see the truth!
And you did accuse me of dressing provocatively, placing judgment on me, not where it belonged, and showing yourself to be of the same mindset of those who blame the victim and minimize the harm in cases of sexual harassment and rape. You being asked to "dress down" is NOT the same. Maybe you'd benefit from a sexual harassment course, as well as some sensitivity training.
No you told me you are to distracting because your little waste and huge boobs and how everyone asked you to dress differently because you are to distracting to the troubled teens. Those are your words not mine, I've never meet you nor do I care to.
And next time God tells you something he will do for you can you tell the rest of us before it happens so we can check the facts. You sound like one of those pro athletes thanking for because he won the big game.
Your very words show your condoning attitude. The point is if you're treated differently because of your body shape, that's not okay. No matter how personal, I'll give the testimony (I give testimony of a supernatural healing related to my periods as well). And "everyone" didn't ask me to dress differently - my supervisor had noted in her evaluations that I dressed professionally and appropriately, and one of the top men there commented that they wouldn't be happy until I put a large bag over my entire body. Further, it didn't have much to do with the kids. The superintendent only tried to get rid of me after gossip began about me and coworkers; it was simply easier for him.
People are simply judgmental hypocrites by and large. They'll judge you if you're fat and they'll judge you if you're thin. They'll judge you if you dress nicely and they'll judge you if you don't. They'll judge you if you say nothing and they'll judge you if you speak up. There's no end to their judgments for this, that and the other thing.
As for the athletes who praise God for their success - Is it not God who gave them their very lives and their bodies, gave them strength and abilities to be honed and developed, gave them opportunities to be used. Their humility in praising the Lord rather than exalting themselves is honorable and excellent.
No, it was his/her parents who gave them the lives, bodies and abilities and money and support. It was also the rest of his/her team that helped with the win. If there was a God why would he care about some stupid can people make millions of dollars playing? Why didn't he support the other team? Utter nonsense.
Why do you keep changing the story about how God gave you 4 years pay and how he fixed your period. None of that can be checked. Why not ask him why he gave you all these problems in the first place?
Do you think we created our own sperm and our own eggs? No, God creates life; parents are the MEANS by which life is created.
There are many reasons God gives victories: our faith and trust in him, the season of our life (both victories and hardships are needed), the glory that will be given him when we're victorious, etc.
I have changed none of my testimonies. I told you various aspects of the sudden storms that God had foretold and the victories he promised. If you are having trouble following, I'll be happy to clarify.
I already know many reasons why problems occur: 1) we live in a fallen, cursed earth where trouble was part of the curse; 2) it is through problems that we learn to rely on God; 3) it is through problems that our faith is tested; 4) it is through problems that we exercise our spiritual "muscles" and gain spiritual maturity; 5) it is through problems that we have opportunities to rise above and gain eternal blessings...
Well, there is a promise God has given me that has not yet reached its fulfillment and is still in progress - an "open door" for Creator Day on October 18.
I create my own sperm everyday thanks very much, your eggs were made as you were developing in the womb where your mommy and daddy put you.
Wow, your very superstitious, which is brought on by confirmation bias which is an error of inductive reasoning.
I'll make a prediction that my wife will ask me to drive her to the subway station within the hour. At least it's not vague.
Let the evidence speak for itself.
EDIT: Permalink to the post rad made so no one can accuse me of editing to make it read different. http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/125419? … ost2649766
Indeed, let the evidence speak for itself
Being accused of looking too good would also translate to being accused of being too provocative, yes? What Rad Man said still stands, he never accused Cat of being provocative rather than re worded what she already said.. He certainly used the word yes, which I would assume is a synonym for "looking too good", if I have even a basic understanding of words that is. It was also in the context of where did he ever accuse her of being so, rather than where did he use the word.
Or am I just supporting sexual harassment? Seems I have a habit of doing so without actually saying anything that leads to that.
Rad Man assumed and stated I dressed provocatively in subsequent posts as well (assuming they were not deleted, you may find them in following posts). If someone's attack was that I "looked too good" for detention that does not translate to I was "being too provocative". The tendency to blame the victim is evident in this translation. I thought stating the specifics would enlighten as to why someone would make the statement REGARDLESS of how I was dressed, yet there has been just as much victim blaming. The statement was an unwarranted attack (professionals are actually offended not flattered by such comments), along with other unwarranted attacks, all occurring directly after God foretold and promised: "They will fight against you but will not overcome you."
As I said, your super-ego will not let of it's secret easily. It's got a good thing going and enjoys the control. You have to be prepared to asked the tough questions.
I am particularly sensitive to changes in air pressure and humidity levels as well.
DOES THIS MEAN THE LORD IS TALKING INTO MY HEAD?
Or have I taken the trouble to understand where these "premonitions" come from when I can predict weather changes before they happen?
Humans and dogs and other animals get bodily clues related to changing WEATHER. So we can predict natural storms. I was speaking of figurative "storms".
Here's an example: God repeatedly gave me the message that "they will fight against you but will not overcome you". Over and over it came and I was left asking, "WHO will fight against me? What does that mean?" No one was "fighting against me" at the time, no negative energy was in my life, my relationships were positive, everything at work was going well.
I was working in juvenile detention as crisis therapist for the troubled youth, where God had specifically placed me as a "light" in darkness, giving me 100% certainty that this was exactly where he wanted me. All had been well there for years. God's message that "they will fight against you but will not overcome you" was revealed as specific to work. And then BAMB, the attacks came. I was accused of "looking too good" for a detention center, was told not to even wear "church dresses", was told to disguise my body shape by wearing large sweaters over my clothes (though I already dressed more conservatively than most of the other therapists and teachers), was accused of having an affair with a couple of interested men at work (I was single, they were married), etc.. Acknowledging his concern was based on nothing but gossip and rumors of an affair, the superintendent (head) of detention (who had always been supportive and pleased with my work) suddenly indicated to my employers (I was located in detention, not directly employed by them) that he wanted me gone. Well, as you can imagine all this was very disturbing, stressful, upsetting, etc.
God let me know that he still wanted me in detention on "mission" there, and that though they were fighting against me, they would not overcome. And they didn't. The head of detention didn't get his way, my accusers didn't conquer. My employers said they were unable to remove me. Life went on. I stayed there more years in the work God had for me. The attacks came out of nowhere just as God had foretold, and just as he had foretold, they did not overcome. He maintained my position.
I wholeheartedly second.
A powerful voice that chases away fear and uncertainty; bringing wisdom so rare.
Always on time.
You guys really have marvelous gifts!!!
God is awesome!
You can pray for whoever the voice in your head tells you to.
What you shouldn't do is insist that they are wrong in whatever their way of thinking is because the voice in your head says so. Its probably best not to tell them you are praying for them, since that's basically saying you are specifically doing nothing for them.
It is my experience so far that the Holy Spirit will direct you on what to do. When I pray for others I start with my family, friends, coworkers AND the peoples that I don't care for. I have also asked for prayer on websites and churches where you can ask for prayer. I feel that God and the H.S. know your thoughts and prayers. I believe that God is divine and his revelation has a divine purpose. For example, I feel that I was blessed with certain qualities because God wants me to use it for His purposes. I also pray for others to get out of myself and self centeredness;especially when I'm obsessing and can't get over something.
I understand the urge to defend obvious good intent, drug through the mud. I have been there many times.
The argument has bordered on silly throughout.
But I must speak until MY heart is content. Only I answer for my disobedience.
Many do not understand from the outside.
My help always comes from the Holy Spirit. I may only hear HIS, "be still..." He always comforts at some point.
The wall is completely UNpowerful. It just stands there, UNthreatening... it DEFINITELY will not listen to reason. How can it??? It's just a wall...
Those powers are persistent. No way, do they want the children of God at peace. No way do they want you talking about glory to God when there is convenient distraction.
Talk, talk, talk until YOUR heart is content. Then stand back and behold...
Our God is amazing. The fortress is totally solid. The peace he gives, unmatched. When he is for you, he is much more than the whole world against. The big brother we all wish we had in grade school.
Words of truth and words of comfort!
I believe the Spirit gave you what to write in the post (though I know he does often). He even had you say, "When he is for you...", while ALL day he's placed within my head the song, "God is in us, God is for us, God is with us, Emmanuel."
I struggle much in my flesh. My persistent, exasperating personality is both a blessing and a curse - I do the work he gives and persist in faith when all looks hopeless, yet I know I need to trust, lean in, rest... He is for us, and his presence is so very calming!
This forum op was very touching. I wrote out a long response to it, though I must've forgotten to post or something, because I don't see my comment.
This reminded me that I should make a point to pray for others, as I only very scantily do, yet I do pray without ceasing, as Sir Dent pointed out, we should. I even quoted emile's biblical quote, earlier.
I personally feel weird about the idea of "claiming" a soul for Christ. It seems to self-glorify; as in, "I did that."
Please don't get me wrong; I know your voice, it is my savior's. I so appreciated the reminder to pray for others. This light revealed my dark corner. I will do better.
Thank you, Cgenaea! I do want to guard against any self-glorifying, and yet in claiming a soul for Christ, it didn't feel like it was about me, but about them and God's words/promises. But I can see this concern in it. To me it feels better (safer?) to simply plant a seed along with many others planting seeds and have the seeds watered by others, and trust/know that God is the one making them grow (though either way it's ultimately his doing). Sometimes people will ask "How many people will be in heaven because of you?", which I HATE, because it's NOT because of us, but because of our Lord and Savior!
Claiming a soul for Christ leaves me with the feeling of being in over my head in a sense. I guess I'm seeking insights from those of you who are Spirit filled because I'm a little unsure of all this spiritual warfare, unsure if I'm going about this the way He wants, thinking maybe I should be listening/waiting more for his voice and direction... I guess this is odd, but it's almost like He's thrown me in deep waters recently and I'm a little panicked out here. Maybe relying on myself too much and not enough on Him?
I'm glad you're encouraged in prayer. I'm just starting to be more of a prayer warrior after being rather resistant to God in this mission for awhile.
Oh yeah! I spoke about the planting of seed too. Dang, it was hours ago, but I must've neglected something.
We were instructed to plant. The Lord promised that all will have an opportunity to know. That is our part. It is then up to the seed recipient to fight the hungry birds.
Now WHAT to pray for, I think we may be led in certain circumstances. But at other times the holy spirit intercedes!!! I love that idea.
Relax. You are covered in all circumstances.
Thank you, and I really do need to relax and trust!
God may do as I ask. But his plan is so versatile, he lets no monkey stop his show. He will work around my little ten million dollars in the bank. Lol...
Sorry, I just noticed there was actually a thread I hadn't posted on, so I'm just throwing this out there to make sure I'd swept the top half of the topical side of the forum.
I'm on my way to actually do real life things now, so please no one post anything til I return. I'd like my name to remain intact.
It is God. I know you know.
There are so many things that have happened in my life, that I know were directed. So many things that are unexplainable by mere chance. Things that I haven't the power to do...
I have a continual assurance that confirms. It is the blessing of the Lord. It makes rich, (my faith) and adds no sorrow (but joy).
I am grateful to be able to testify.
Unexplainable by mere chance...because you think the probability is low or you don't know all the facts behind the incident. Unfortunately a low probability does not mean a god did it; it means it happened by chance. People DO win the lottery...
People don't win the lottery 3 nights in a row.
Any of em Christian in need of a wife and children?
Better yet, what lottery are they playing? I could use a hot ticket.
So, it appears their prayers work and yours don't. Perhaps it's time to do as they do.
Sounds super silly to me, Rad...
I hate the unnecessary roads we must travel to say nothing of value.
Where is the "He Wins Every Day" story? I need more info.
Do some research dear. The Saudi family's worth is at well over $1.4 trillion. Multiple wives that are not allowed to drink, drive or vote.
$1.4 trillion, that's winning the lottery every day.
15,000 members, Rad??? Really??? Omg!!!
You like me, don't you? Is it my perfume? My 14 American languages??? My favorite jeans? My voice?
No. Only about 2000 members hold the bulk of the loot. Did you do your research???
Uh... and if me and 2000 of my closest friends got together and bought tickets... I'd be rich too! Wouldn't you say???
They don't play three nights in a row, either. But people DO win multiple times, even the million$ prize.
I've given a particular example a few times and no one seems to want to touch it. Let's try and figure out the chances of this one (and remember there are tons more). My husband went into treatment for a month, and I was an at-home mom with a baby and preschooler, so there was no paycheck coming (and no savings given our situation), so no way to pay the mortgage or anything else. For the first time in my almost forty years of life, I needed money to come in an abnormal way if I was to pay the mortgage, etc.. Yet I was abnormally unstressed about it because God through his Spirit had given me reassurance that he would take care of it.
Now after taxes and insurance, my husband's bimonthly paychecks were between $1450-1480. And what should come in the mail EXACTLY at the time of the first missing paycheck? A check for around $1480 - THE AMOUNT OF THE MISSING PAYCHECK. Not some other amount - not greatly less or greatly over, but THE amount. What was it from? Something I happened to fill out that came in the mail (Bank of America settlement) almost a year ago, which had indicated I could expect to get $300. Well, it sure wasn't the $300 that would not have come close to covering the mortgage. And at no other time do I get an unexpected large amount of money, yet it was given PRECISELY WHEN NEEDED IN PRECISELY THE AMOUNT NEEDED.
I praised God and paid the mortgage. But later in the month the time for the next paycheck came and I needed money to pay all the other bills and such. And what should happen? Another paycheck close to the amount that covered all the rest of the bills. And how did it come? A "bonus" for the hundreds of employees at my husband's work, even though they don't get bonuses.
Hmm... Unbelievers do want it to be nothing but coincidences. And yet it's so strange and unlikely, it doesn't seem like "coincidences". And then there's that reassurance that God had already given me that he would take care of it, so that I (an anxiety disordered person) did not even stress about it but left it to him, even though there was no foreseeable way for it to be taken care of.
You can continue to see it as coincidences, but I will continue to know the truth about it.
I believe you. our God IS amazing like that. I've never heard you tell it, but I'm glad I did.
I have a few of my own! Confirmation is exciting!!!
Yes! I probably shouldn't get sarcastic about it, but after awhile the attempts to convince us that we're experiencing nothing more than superego, imagination, coincidences and such become ridiculous considering all that we're experiencing in the Lord (not to mention the seal of the Holy Spirit).
Sarcasm works well for my walk. "Answer according to folly"-like...
It is imperative that the Lord's message is relayed. No sugar/no chaser.
Our father is not mocked... whatsoever a man sews...
I think it counts against us only when we don't speak when led.
There are rules for behavior in certain venues. I'm in Rome.
On solid rock, you stand. Just stand.
ALL OTHER GROUND sinks.
Christians who think prayer is effective may want to rethink their position. One would think that the only prayers that would be answered are those directed at the correct version of what God is. If so then I'd say the Saudi men have been given everything they could ever dream to pray for. They were given a massive country full of fossil fuel and sunlight. Perhaps your God put the dinosaurs on the earth more millions of years to reward the Saudi men with a country that doesn't allow women to vote or drive. It seems that's what God wants.
You Christians may want to rethink who you pray to. Just saying.
There is injustice all over. Jesus is coming back to clean it all up. he promised me.
Maybe it's our job to clean up our own mess. Ever thought of that?
Jesus isn't going to come and wish away all the bad stuff for you.
Not wish... fire.
There is nothing we can do in our own power.
Men are evil and contentious. Everyone has a GREAT idea to carry out their own way.
The cohesion needed is unavailable now. Just be patient, peace is on her way.
There's plenty we could do to make the world a more just and better place. No jesus needed.
Sounds ridiculous. If that were true, we would already be there
While Jesus is receding from sight; times are getting much worse. Wouldn't you agree???
Think back... Summer, 1978. Fresh air, goodmusic, great ffriends. No school shootings; no "pride" in sinfulness; no military gear at the local police station.
Popsicles and double-dutch.
Things are actually better in a lot of ways from the past. Where was Jesus during the Inquisition? Or the Aztec human sacrifices by the tens of thousands? Or the Holocaust? Times have been much, much worse.
Sounds like selective memory. Bad things happen in every generation. Some things get better. Some things get worse.
You choose to believe it's because of the Jesus-love wearing off, but there are a million different variables that could contribute to today's problems. Just because you've selected that one element and decided it must be the reason for everything bad happening does not make it so.
How about prayer that is inspired by, guided by and done in the power of the Holy Spirit. Bet you that's ALWAYS "effective". And what exactly does "effective" mean? Does it mean if you can "pull God's strings" and get him to behave like Santa Clause? Let's say you want someone to live, but it is their time to go home to the Lord, is it not better for them to go on than to live?
The wicked will flourish here on earth. But when they die, all that they had will come to nothing. But those who hope in the Lord will not be disappointed!
Why do you pretend your God answers your prayers? It appears he answers some prayers, the Saudi men's specifically. The OT talked a lot about God wanted specific people to have specific land. Well he seems to have given the Saudi men the mother load. What has your prayers given you?
He answers our prayers - our prayers inspired and guided by the Spirit and said in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. He is not our Santa Clause and does not give us whatever we want.
Wicked people will certainly flourish here on earth. There is purpose in this (and it is only temporary). We who put our faith and trust in the Lord live by faith and not by sight. All this is God's plan.
We'd be here all night if I told you all the victories, healings, manifestations, help, and so on that my prayers have resulted in.
You need to read your scriptures. God has a reason for ALL that he does. He makes no mistakes, and he is never surprised.
He has apportioned perfectly.
Our "riches" are incorruptible. The motherload's going to heaven.
Maybe the final explosion will shake the gold loose and make it rain... thus paving the streets. just a thought...
So what about the people like my grandmother who lived their lives devoted to God but then have absolutely awful things happen to them? My dad and uncle, her only two children, landed in the hospital within a week of each other. I was with her every day while she prayed. They both died, one day after the other. She then died a year later after a really horrific battle with brain cancer. Why did her prayers not fix any of that? Is it just reserved for magical cheques in the mail? Where was God to answer her prayers when her children both died within 48 hours of each other? How is that fair? Why would he let someone who had complete faith in him suffer so horribly when she was praying around the clock for something to just get a little bit better?
A lot of people miss the blessing of God when tragedy strikes. It is such a sad event. My heart goes out to many already bound in that very way.
Death is life. We are not promised the next twenty minutes. And yes, many do suffer. I am not exempt. Not my children, my only sibling at 39. Out of nowhere, in his sleep.
My Aunt, one year younger than I at 35. I grew up in the same household and she was my biggest fan. I loved her so much for that. Came to my house after not seeing her for three months, for a ride. Sat on my son's bed waiting for the end of my Scrabble match, had an out of nowhere heart attack and died right there after 20 min of being at my home, right in front of 2 of her 5 children. These tragedies were a year and a half apart. Just two years after her parents died 3wks apart. I will see them again.
I don't know why he sometimes allows us seemingly unbearable pain. And death of loved ones is painful.
But I know he is in control ofthings and knows best how things should go.
I cannot cut him off because I did not get my way a little less painfully. That's not loyal or faithful at all. People do have to die sometime.
Both my grandmothers (both devout) died in their beds in their early 60s. Paternal (totally unexpected) maternal was sick but not THAT sick.
Yet, I trust... I must.
Sorry to hear about the losses, especially young and almost traumatic ones. You give such great testimony with your faith, endurance and victory through Christ Jesus!
Thanks for giving a thoughtful response, Aime F. I'm sorry for your loss of your father, uncle and grandmother. I'm also sorry your dear grandmother suffered.
Shortly after losing my grandmother who had lived with us, I lost my mother unexpectedly (single parent since my elementary school years) while I was still in college and when she was only 54, and I know it's tough. Death hurts, there's no way around that. And yet it must happen. Childbirth hurts (mom and baby) and yet it is a glorious thing. Likewise our birth into the next realm is a glorious thing.
We are not entitled to our lives in the first place, not ever entitled to one more day. Just as our lives at the start are gifts, so each day is a gift. I love and have faith in God and yet I make no assumptions about how long I or my children will live. Supposing one or both of my children (currently aged five and two) should die very young. Would this mean God did not love me, or did not care what I prayed? No. Jesus Christ, who we know was loved of God, suffered greatly and died. It is not for us to determine the number of days of anyone's life; this is determined and foreknown by God before even one day comes to be. It's okay to ask God that a loved one be healed in their natural bodies, but knowing and surrendering to him that He alone has the right and responsibility to determine the time of their second birthday. Pain and suffering need not make us lose faith, but when we remain faithful through much here on earth, we will reap the eternal rewards following our birthdays into the next realm. So we pray and trust God to meet our needs, which he does, but understand this does not mean suffering and death will be eliminated, for they are a part of the natural world and will continue until the natural is swallowed up by the supernatural and the Lord comes for us.
Shoot, Hitler thought he was doing a Godly job... and he did have much success in his activities. It is not that simple, Rad.
Good morning, Hon.
The Lord is faithful and just.
Our bible says, "In everything, give thanks (to God) for this Iis his will concerning us."
We thank him for (humongous DDD) victory as well as teeny-tiny ones. And guess what, it extends to my auntie (one year younger) who came to my house after 3 months of little contact; to die within twenty minutes on my son's bed.
Thank you father that she did not die on the street, on her way to me...
We all do well to thank God in every situation. It is his will that we know who is responsible for our lives. A heart of gratitude goes a long way.
I am so blessed by her testimony of footstooling her wayward boss (or whomever he was wit his filthy self). Because it is such a rare victory. I'm also blessed simply because she was.
Thanks for sharing Cat... our father strikes again!!!
Thank you!! And how true - to keep thanking him for all mercies and victories even in the tough times, because yes, to think of the tragedy had your aunt still been traveling to your house, as she was just twenty minutes earlier... You always give beautiful testimony!
"Shoot, Hitler thought he was doing a Godly job... and he did have much success in his activities. It is not that simple, Rad. "
Hitler didn't have much success? He did until he was killed.
The Saudi family is having a lot of success. Should we attribute that to God?
God didn't give them a promise (though Satan may have). The wicked will prosper here on earth, just as we've been told in his Word. But the final victory always has and always will belong to the Lord of the universe! Amen and amen.
And yet you prosper here on earth. At least - that is what you have been bragging about.
Bragging involves giving ourselves the credit. When we give testimony of a victory THROUGH our Lord, this is giving God the credit.
Yet only the wicked prosper on earth and here you are bragging that the Lord made you win a court case.
Absolutely not true! No one ever said ONLY the wicked will prosper - you are twisting Scripture and/or you are thinking in limited either/or terms. It is true that many (not all) wicked prosper temporarily (by dishonest, wicked means). Yet it is also true that "The blessing of the LORD, it makes rich, and he adds no sorrow with it." (Proverbs 10:22)
Oh - so everyone prospers then. When you say "The wicked will prosper here on earth, just as we've been told in his Word." this is utterly meaningless.
Thank goodness you are no longer allowed to supervise troubled teens in care.
Still twisting words. Many (not all) wicked will prosper by wicked means. God's children also "prosper" through the blessing of the Lord. This "prosperity" will not always be financial, or the winning of something, but don't let this confuse you. They will not all be wealthy or win their cases, but they all have far greater blessing than such worldly blessings, and in the end they will all be victorious.
Not twisting words at all. Please stop bearing false witness against me.
You said "The wicked," will prosper. You didn't qualify it and - now we know only some wicked will prosper and some of God's children (presumably the opposite of wicked) will also prosper (although some of them will only prosper when they are dead) that statement is meaningless nonsense to defend your boastful nature.
The righteous prosper here on earth, though not necessarily in material ways. But our ultimate victory and prosperity yet awaits the coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
Well - except for you who prospers in material ways. Odd how that works.
Righteous... it is no wonder...
You must know the entity of which we speak.
He knows each of us. He knows what we may bear at one time, always. He does how he sees fit...
We know our own children half as well, and we know their weaknesses and their strengths.
The Lord promised to make a great nation from the house of Ishmael. And he kept his promise. He also promised that they would follow a "wild..." leader... He has been true to his word as always.
The "riches" that the Lord adds to they who love him, have NOTHING to do with the "material" no sorrow comes from his gifts. And we all know that $ hurts some people... 2+2 is always 4...
Odd she boasts of material gain then. Oh well. You speak for an entity now? How proud you must be that it chose you to speak for it. It would - of course - know that most are pushed away listening to you boast that you speak for it.
I am so glad that you are finally recognizing the truth of the bible!!! most people cannot stomach the pure word of God. (Take note)
She boasts in the Lord, who does not tolerate mismanagement for long. But it angers the spirit within, huh?
The Lord will give material wealth, but that is secondary need. He's not jumping into your box.
Isn't there something against deception and lying in your book?
Agreed, if the example of the book is to be followed deceptions lies and skulduggery should be part of ones arsenal.
If that is ALL you have found in that book... maybe you should try needlepointing. Reading comprehension is not a strength...
I can understand that reading comprehension is not your strength, you don't have to state in plainly for everyone to see. Anyway thank you for being honest.
That book except for Kings ,chronicles and Macabees is forgery and fiction. That three also has no more than half truths.
Who told you that? Did you ask your phone? Just curious.
First part you yourself said "Reading comprehension is not a strength...",
Second part.. education is a great asset. Even without that one only needs to use his reasoning to find out.
Oh! Is it about you being honest? I can't disagree with you there, for not only your posts shows that you are right in your self assessment there but you are your own authority regarding your strengths and weaknesses.
Jomine, I would spell, read, comprehend, and educate you AND Rad under a coffee table of two inch legs. Do not flatter too much. I am not competing here.
Since you helped me with a flaw perceived by you (or Rad, I forget now) I decided to help too. We should not take it any further, lest youd like to start the competition.
You were saying you were a master of reasoning and yet you hadn't heard of red herring.
If you comprehend well then why don't you address the points put to you instead of saying entirely different things?
And it is not I but you started the "comprehension" and "harassing" arguments which has nothing to do with the conversation at hand.
I SAID...that I was not familiar with the red herring??? Or is sarcasm not a strong point for you either??? Are you ready for bed or something??? You have proven the competition unnecessary...
You may not understand that I have answered every one of your biblical questions with biblical answers that come straight from scripture, because you don't know charlatan. But that is your problem.
Your replies defy the "basic" rules of logic.
Sarcasm is my last resort, used only when the person I am talking to talks incoherently.
You didn't. Quoting one as an answer to another will only make it a contradiction. If one part say god has many sons and another say god has only one it need deception to reconcile.
The bible is not a single book as you claim it to be. The bible you quote is the books selected by the orthodox priests. There are other books too that are not part of "canon".
Eff the basic rules of logic. Don't nobody make up no rules to box ma Jesus...
I sarcast through and through. She's like my second American language.
When the person I am speaking to talks incoherently, I usually understand.
The books of the bible are cohesive and miraculously so.
The phrase "not necessarily" means it will not always be so. Many of God's people (the "righteous" as declared by him through the blood of Jesus that cleanses us) do prosper financially. Anyway, the primary victory was not financial (though that did make a nice down payment on a house), but the greater victories included removing a corrupt man from his position, bringing to light the dark deeds and deceptions that were regularly occurring there, setting wrongs right, encouraging the proper handling of such situations in the future, giving a voice to victims there, and on and on.
God has spoken. We speak only what he has already spoken, seen clearly in the Scriptures given to us. Truth comes from the Word and the Spirit.
FYI: My role wasn't to "supervise" troubled teens. I determined if they needed to be on suicide watch or not, provided crisis counseling, etc. (wasn't a "social worker" either, Rad Man, though some similar duties). You and Rad Man criticize, but no word was ever said against my work performance and I always ensured the safety of the youth. Now these were retaliating people - I heard my harasser say of another woman who previously reported harassment against him, "I'll get the bitch back", and he directed staff to regularly search her bags, etc. for an unpermitted item for detention (when no other bags were searched). Even when they attempted to create such traps as giving me triple the work of others, I asked God to make my feet "swift as a deer" and I was able to perform a naturally IMPOSSIBLE amount of work in a limited amount of time (even seemed to confuse them), so that they would never have a word to say against my performance.
Yes! The Lord prospers our minds. Money is no good in heaven. He makes rich minds.
Money seems to be deemed "all these other things" added because we need them here. But they are provided based upon certain criteria. God supplies every need according to his vast riches. But he cannot trust ALL of his children with moneystuffs in abundance. It can sometimes be very distracting.
Funny how that works isn't it. When others get filthy rich it's Satan's work, but when they successfully sue someone or win a stupid game it's God's work. Those rich Christian athletes must be a conundrum. She doesn't know what Allah promised the Saudi family, but it's not hard to find out what America promised them.
It's not really so funny or hard to understand - 1) God gives his children victories and our victories do indeed come from the Lord; 2) If permitted by the Sovereign Lord, people themselves gain and Satan provides temporary victories in this corrupt and fallen world.
You're right, I don't know what Satan (he has many names) may have promised them. I can see what God has permitted for his own purposes and in fulfillment of his Word. And I also know that God, who is true to his Word and always keeps his promises, will come in victory, and all who trust in him will be victorious with him!
Odd that we never understand our own confirmation biases...
Perhaps you should look up what things mean before making comments.
Confirmation bias is the tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories. You, Rad Man, have an existing belief that coincidences, imagination and superego are responsible for all remarkable and mysterious phenomenon and that anyone who attributes them to God is mistaken. So when we give testimony of God's provision, answered prayers, fulfillment of promises and prophecies, victories given by the Lord, supernatural phenomenon, the occurrence of the naturally "impossible", and so on, then you who believe it is all coincidences, imagination, the superego and such, will interpret any and all new evidence we give to you as confirmation of your previously held beliefs that major coincidences, imagination and superego are all at work and responsible for all. This is your confirmation bias by its very definition.
Evidence, what evidence would that be? I've been asking but have not been getting anything other than opinion. Humans have a tendency to look for patterns and apply meaning to them that's why it's easy for us to become superstitious. You prayed to God and something came true even though you pray for many things that never come true. We wear our favourite sweater to a sporting even and because the team won we now call it a lucky sweater forgetting how many times we wore it without winning. It's a natural part of our evolution and part of our survival instinct, but that doesn't mean that if you step of a crack you will break your mothers' back and it doesn't mean there are a God watching us. It doesn't also mean that when you answered the phone to someone you were just thinking about that he/she was using telepathy, we sometimes through out the information that we thought about that person 12 times today and that they have called plenty of times without you thinking of them. I've noticed a lot of the "true, real" believers also just happen to be superstitious. Superstitions are the result of our need to find meaning in things that have no meaning.
I've never had God tell me something or promise something and not had it come to pass. I don't even think I've ever TRUSTED God for something and not gotten it. I have asked for healing of someone IF it is God's will, and this did not turn out as I would have desired (but then it's really not for us to decide a person's death day / second birthday).
You say you want evidence, yet repeated radical events when we trust in God aren't considered as evidence to you. You won't even try to figure out the chances of that unexpected check coming in the right amount of the missing paycheck at the right time (considering every two weeks of my forty years), and then it happening over again for the next of the two missing paychecks (and our mathematician Wilderness has been silent on it). Your confirmation bias won't even allow you to consider anything other than your previously held beliefs that all these extraordinary events are super coincidences. You won't consider that any supernatural healings, manifestations of the Spirit, and so on are anything but imagination, hallucinations and superego. Your confirmation bias is very strong.
Look, I've gone out to dinner in a city with 6 million people with four couples and found out that one of the couples was moving out of the other couples apartment and had their mail in a purse because they were on the way to the post office. These people didn't know each other, you have no idea what your talking about and frankly I don't believe a word you say. Many of you sound the same to me. I prayed and something happened and now I believe. You should really study how people are taken advantage of by so called psychics. They rely on our ability to have selective memory.
You make many claims but can't name one thing you have knowledge of that you shouldn't or couldn't have knowledge of. It's rather sad and embarrassing really.
Got a dictionary? I was thinking the same thing...
Let us not "waste" the book. It works for spelling too, right???
I pray you join me in its usage for spelling, it would also do you good...
If you can get me a software that can spell or improve the keypad of a small touchscreen mobile it will help.
You better study the meaning of words rather than the spellng, you are one who said you need a dictionary. I was under the impression that you were out there to deceive till you said you need a dictionary. So I think you are mistaking my words here to.
You smoke them funny cigarettes??? Your memory is not that good either.
When I asked if you had a dictionary, because I was thinking the same thing; I meant for your very own usage. I did not say I needed a dictionary. I asked if YOU had one
I also use my small touchscreen. No problem with IT making spelling mistakes. I push my own keys. You must have the fangly-dangly one that writes for you. Maybe you should download a autotyping speller for those unlearned computers. Lol...
Just a lil joke for monotony's sake.
Your memory needs refreshing, you said that to RadMan. And your replies imply that you don't know the meaning of many words.
I don't use computer but a phone. It's very difficult for to touch the precise keys because it's very small and I accidentally touch the nearby key. Some I notice and correct, but some escape. .proof reading is not an easy thing.
Ya know... talking to Rad man is EXACTLY like talking to you...
I use a phone too...
The usage of wording in the bible is quite different from our newer standard English versions... there probably weren't many of our dictionaries for the charlatans.
God knew that his followers would know his voice. He knew that they would follow him wherever he leads. He knew that they would know what he meant. He also knew that the "thief" would be confused.
Right again!!! My father is batting 1000...
I was talking about the words in the comments, not something in the bible.
This too is written in the book by charlatans and taught by charlatans. God itself is the creation of charlatans.
Is your father Don Bradman or Sachin Tendulkar? You speak of him as if I know him... sorry I am not into sports.
The comments that I use are biblical. Cept the funny cigarette part.
Again, the charlatans were not ask thinktified as you seem to be. dumb it down, Man...
Empty the cup of Webster's so that it may be filled with living water.
My father is God, and I am fully aware, that you know him not...
If I add just one letter to your "name" I could come up with the word READ...
Seems that the Saudis are promised "a great nation" by my God himself. I tolja the bible was true!!! Lol...
You think Saudi Arabia is a great nation? That's sad. You should me there then.
Saudi is a large nation with a strong and dedicated following and they have riches beneath their feet, now. Check Father; you have kept your promise. As always
But the treasures of even the wicked are stored up for the righteous. (Look it up)
I believe strongly that some of them are on their way to heaven as well.
God is fluid. And he may penetrate the hardest of rock. He is expert; he may tame the wildest of asses. I know...
Please show me the exact direct lineage and explain why all the others in that lineage have nothing. Again, calling Saudi Arabia a great nation is a gross exaggeration. It's great for about 1500 mean, but not so much for the rest. Do you call a desert a great nation, do call a please were no one can vote a great nation, do you call a place where women can't drive a great nation?
Desirable it may not be, but "great" - large, prosperous, powerful - it is.
We shall not be disappointed.
That's an interesting thought. So when American's that America is the greatest nation on earth they mean it's the most populated? You two really are funny.
It's funny because by comparison of population Saudi Arabia it's not that great. 41st and behind Peru, Morocco, Uganda and even Canada. Now China, that's the greatest nation (by your measure of greatness), almost 32 times greater than the United States. lets not forget India, the land of the Hindus, that nation is 4 times greater than the United States.
Notice that if I don't say greater in size it implies something other than population.
So Saudi Arabia is a horrible excuse for a nation and 41st on the list of most populated and you can't show me the lineage that draws from Abraham to the Saudi Family and you can't explain why the other members of that lineage don't have their own God given nations. BTW, if you believe God gave the Saudi's that nation than you must also believe that he is in agreement of what they are doing with it and he is suppling that one family with fortunes.
Maybe it's high time for you to stop trying to figure something that is unfigurable from a man of your position.
Saudi is a great nation and Islam even greater. now maybe not by YOUR standard, but it is truth.
The whole world knows them. The whole world discusses them. Soon, the whole world will be affected by them. Great, wild nation. Just as the Lord promised many moons ago... k???
And you can figure out??
Saudi is one of the worst nations whose ruling elite is supported by fanatics.
Islam is great, greater than Christianity?
The whole world knows china, korea and Somalia too, so?
Think context. Great doesn't mean moral in the context. Nations of note (good or bad) are considered "great".
I wish you could see my flabbergasted face... lol...
Ok... from the top; broken down, chewed up, and liquified...
Islam is a GREAT nation. Check your local news... it may not be the greatest nation nor the most popular, nor the most wealthy. But none of THAT was promised
I know this stuff because I first believed. I know the SOURCE, well... he gave me it. No figuring required. Just God.
He promised that those who do not FIRST believe, will receive nothing of him. He was right again I see.
Islam is not a nation but a religion check your dictionary at the least.
Believing is not a great thing, that is what we do from birth, it is the ability to properly reason that is valued and needed.
The only source you know is part of books written by ignorant charlatans.
Islam, from what I understand is Ishmael's house. We Christian folks, belong to Isaac. Since you brought up praying for the lottery and winning big with 15000 tickets, I spoke Islam, which would be their reason for prayer???
Great nation, they are.
By the way, it is no great feat to win the lottery with 15000 ticket. It seems if they each buy 2, that doubles their already astronomical chances
Knowledge of some things is just not necessary. I choose what I must learn about. My God is first. All else falls in step, or it is discarded.
Then you don't understand, islam is a religion that derived from jews and christians founded by Muhammad among the arabs.
No christians constitute cacusaians, negrittos, afroasiatics, mongloids.... various races and groups. Very few are semets. And there was no real person called "isaac", it's only a legend from ancient judah.
Who brought out what?
No they include arabs, persians, kurds.... or in terms of nations from Turkey to Afghanistan and some African ones.
What are you talking about?
What do you mean by knowledge?
Your god is given to you by your parents/guardians and rest is all confirmation bias. There is no god. Believing otherwise means that you are taken in by ancient charlatans.
You are solidly convinced. Why the harassment, again? You no likey my Jesus???
No way do you understand my father. No way will you ever, lest you comply. Simple.
God speaks a language foreign to foreigners. No surprise, it is written. You say religion, he says nation. Who wins???
I know... but I have a feeling... you do not.
Yes, I am convinced of facts. I consider those that are not in accordance with facts as falsehoods.
Who is harassing whom?
Which one? The fictional one in gospels?
I don't even know you, then how am I supposed to understand your father? What is the relevance?
Check the dictionary, you can know the difference between a nation and religion.
No god has ever spoken. Non existing beings never speak. All you have is books written by people who claim to know god. If you believe such charlatans that is your problem.
This post shows that you were honest when you said about comprehension strength.
But your post does not show that you too were honest...
I was honest, I never uttered a single falsehood but only facts.
You "uttered" facts of Webster... but we are speaking charlatan. Different entirely...
So falsehood it is...
I said you can understand the meanings of words by using webster. If we both use a word and mean differently what conversation are we doing? It is meaning of words you get from webster not facts.
Charlatan is one who purport falsehood as truth(doesn't matter whether he believes it to be true) who knows that that will help him (to make a living).
Listen... the conversation is well past parallel. I cannot glean from you; nor you from me. The spirit of the Lord speaks from my lips most times.
I speak from the bible. You do not believe in it at all.
You ONLY know of it, your lame excuses for why it makes no sense. And that's not enough.
You have TOTALLY missed the gist.
Next are you going to claim yourself as god that we all should bow and pray to you?
Spirit is pure ñonsense.
So shall I speak from Harry Potter or Gita?
I don't allow charlatans to fool me, I am not gullible.
You have not read it is the reason why you claim that there is no contradiction. I said most of it is pure fiction and forgery (stories) and yes there are contradictions in that. I hope you know that fiction means stories that never really happened.
Bible is a forgery and fiction not truth written entirely by humans.
The charlatans knew human nature very well and how to manipulate the public and get power.
I don't practice deception. When I use a word I want the one who read just like I meant it.
Oh I am awfully sorry. It might be very difficult to grow up without a father. My father's mother died when he was very young and he told me how he wished to have a mother.
To understand, you must understand who God is, intimately.
No way to do that if you don't believe. Since that's the case... why all the fuss?
Dads are important, but God has been a great one to many.
God is a hypothesis put forward by man to explain the existence of the universe.
What you say is to accept that hypothesis and prove it by confirmation bias.
I am not going to believe you till your arguments are logical and truthful. When one use deception to say contradiction is not contradiction I won't believe. For the same reason I am not going to believe any of the religious texts.
Now I can turn that question on its head, no way you are going to use logic and reason and disbelieve the charlatans, then why this fuss?
Non existent beings can never be father but many have claimed his fathership to get/retain power. Most ancient kings were called sons of god, most notably Augustus.
You are really good with that phone!!! How do you make those sections??? I wanna make sections!!! Same equipment.
Nevermind, it's silly and self-centered and juvenile, as far as I'm concerned.
Uh, you want a reasoning competition? I am not afraid. I reason pretty ok...
I'm fully aware. Sanity is not a problem. It seems funny that one stoops to the depths of preaching from someone else's book to refute the words of scripture. I say my authors are more believable. I win!!!
You are off topic again.
I didn't quote anyone else's book.
Please tell me that you have not dreamed up all your EVIDENCE in your head.
Please tell me that you have been using SOME source of information for all your assertions that refute the words of scripture. Please tell me that you realize without one shadow of doubt that you MUST believe SOMEONE about what you believe happened and is now happening.
Are you too reincarnated because your leader hasn't enough souls to go around???
You have the wrong idea of great, here.
Ok, Jomine. You have chosen. I still believe. Call it whatever you like. Be at peace.
You cannot tell me what I cant say. I can make my own decision about what comes from my mouth.
I don't believe any other book as much as I believe the bible.
Certainly, if your intention is to deceive. Honest people want them to be understood the way they intend. My mistake, sorry.
Only because you are born as a Christian. I guess you have not read any other religious books or any biblical books outside the canon.
It's bad to assume. You generally open yourself to shame.
I know enough of each to not fool with it.
I'm happy with Jesus alone. I would not know him as well if I had not read the bible.
The red words. Really poweful stuff to me. Shake your fist toward heaven. "God, if you are up there, I need to know!!!" Read the red words. And find out the context.
May it change your perspective forever. I ask in the name of Jesus.
So if you don't want your audience to 'assume' you should speak clearly, precisely and completely. You said you didn't want to do that.
Have you read the other gospels that are not in the bible? Have you read any other religious books? It's like saying that since I like burger very much I am not going to taste anything else.
God, as I already said, is a concept. It is not through confirmation bias one should prove god but by logical arguments.
I told you I like Harry Potter better. That is a far better story.
What are you talking about? Evidence of what?
All "scriptures " are forgeries for they say they are from a god/s. God/s doesn't exist.
Can you talk clearly that I can understand? I don't need to "believe".
You were telling me something about harassment?
Desperation provoked you?
Why... evidence to back up your claim that the bible is not, what it says it is, of course.
How could you possibly KNOW that the scripture is a forgery without having been told by someone who obviously has more clout, in your opinion???
Which part of my statement do you want me to break down for you?
Yes, i am a Christian who believes the teachings of Jesus. I am desperate for nothing. You afraid to find out?
There is no god, isn't that enough to prove that scripture is a forgery?
"Please tell me that you realize without one shadow of doubt that you MUST believe SOMEONE about what you believe happened and is now happening."
Then why the attack?
And no teachings of Jesus are available, only books purported to be from mark, mathew, luke, john, barnabas, thomas......
There is God. God is. I know him personally.
Whose report do you believe??? Everyone else's???
The authors of the bible are partially unknown. How do you come up with such a list? For all we know, the Lord could have come down, and kissed every word on each page.
And for all we know the Lord doesn't even exist, let alone kissed every page. With no evidence either way, it's kind of difficult to assign the truth to the belief.
Some choose to believe it; some choose to not... What more is there to say, with no evidence either way??? "You're wrong, genaea."
So, to that I say, I'm not...
Some believe unicorns exist and some don't. What more is there to say, with no evidence either way???
Would you live your entire life expecting salvation from a unicorn?
No recruiting for religious beliefs, Rad. It's strictly frowned upon, here...
We believe and await the salvation of our Lord because we've personally met him and experienced him, and we know many others of the countless people who've also personally met and experienced him.
I haven't personally met or experienced a unicorn, and I don't know anyone else who has. Do unicorns exist? If we take simply the definition of a horse-like creature with a single horn on its head, then quite possibly at some point in history such a creature existed (why would that not be plausible to someone believing evolution theory?). If someone said unicorns do not exist, I would say they likely are right because we haven't seen or experienced unicorns, and we have no knowledge of their existence. And if someone insisted that unicorns do/have existed, I would concede that a horse-like creature with a horn, labeled as a unicorn, may possibly have existed at some point.
"Where there's smoke, there's fire". I consider that the myths surrounding unicorns MAY have originated from the sightings of a similar creature. I consider that those who believe they've experienced "aliens" MAY have experienced something, though it would be demons. I consider that those who believe that God has spoken to them when they clearly do not worship the true God of the Universe MAY have heard something beyond themselves, though they'd be experiencing something satanic. Of course I consider other possibilities for all of these - deception, psychosis, and so on, because it is not in line with what I have personally experienced. And it will continue to be the same with you and other unbelievers - you will not believe until you yourself experience the One True Lord in all his glory and goodness.
Btw, I was offended by your accusations and attitudes earlier in the post, but I'm over it. So peace.
Do you know what "personally means"? Why are you not telling the truth? You have not personally meet any Gods. Personally mean in person. You have not seen or meet Gods person.
Oh, so if someone says they exist you assume they do without evidence and if someone says they have meet a unicorn personally we take their word for it?
So you've also experienced demon and Satan? Have you personally meet those as well? Do you think that your experiences can be explained another way much like those you see aliens are mistaken aliens for demons?
I have no idea what offended you, you'll have to explain, I don't mean to offend as I'm sure you don't.
You know the Lord personally when you know the Lord yourself and when you yourself have experienced him. I do know the Lord myself and have myself experienced him, as have countless others.
No, I wouldn't take someone's word for it if they said that unicorns have existed. I simply concede that some horse-like creature with a horn on its head, seen by and talked about by others, may have existed. I don't know anyone who has personally experienced a unicorn (or says they have), so we would always be talking theoretically. I don't expect you to take any of our words for the Truth of God. But what you can do is with a humble heart ask the Lord of the universe to forgive you for your words and the attitudes of your heart, and to reveal himself to you. And ask again and again until he does.
Yes, I've experienced demons. Don't know if it was ever Satan himself involved.
Right, as again and again and again until a coincidence occurs and forget about the countless times I asked and got nothing.
I only think you have experienced you God, that doesn't mean you have. It's funny because in biblical times people are described as having demons much like having a toothache, today we just go see a doctor. Demons don't exist only gullible people do.
It's a big deal to me even to have to WAIT for something promised or trusted for; I'm not forgetting "unanswered prayers". But there's a difference between that which is promised and trusted for, and that which is half-heartedly thrown out there at God. And some things we can't expect to have our "way" on - trouble and pain do have purpose (we'd always opt for no pain, but this is not always in our best interest in the present age, nor consistent with a fallen world). And, like I've said before, God determines the number of our days, so we shouldn't expect this to be our decision. Prayer for healing and life should always be directed by the Holy Spirit (though we make our desires known). I also know better than to pray a prayer that contradicts the prophesied events. So while I'll pray for God to send his Spirit and comfort those going through tough times here and there, and pray for that which is according to His will, I can't pray He completely eliminate troubles that must be here until the end when He comes. He will THEN set all things right.
You say, "in biblical times people are described as having demons much like having a toothache, today we just go see a doctor". It's not an either/or situation. You can have a demon (or multiple demons) causing a physical or mental illness, and then go see a doctor and get the resulting physical/mental ailment cared for. Demons could cause you to feel anxious, and you could see a professional or even self-medicate to help (and it will help, at least temporarily). Both the demons (within the supernatural realm) and the ailment (the manifestation within the natural realm) are real. You can attack the problem at the spiritual root through the Holy Spirit, and you can also attack the natural manifestation through natural remedies (easier for us who are natural beings and at best only sporadically grasp the spiritual / supernatural power we have).
Ahhhh. No. We go to the doctor and get better or die. No more burning witches please, grow up.
We don't burn witches. The Christian message is one of love for all and salvation offered to all. Grace, mercy, love...
When was the last time you witnessed a Christian burning a self-acknowledged witch or anyone else? Now I will agree that there are those Christians/"Christians" who preach hate, a spirit that is far from Truth.
Demons are as active as ever, and all the more powerful because we now deny their existence. We have increases in all forms of demonic oppression, from substance dependence to pornography and sexual addictions to depression and anxiety to a myriad of physical ailments.
We can go to the doctor and get treated; it's easier for us in the natural. It's not a cure, but it sure helps. Few grasp and utilize the power of the Spirit for healing and the casting out of demons. Even the apostles initially had trouble. So we'll continue to use our medicines and medical interventions. If only we would let the Holy Spirit empower us and produce FULL healing!
When severed limbs and spinal cords magically start regenerating is when people will consider taking your idea of healing seriously.
And wouldn't ignoring the existence of demons lessen their power, rather than increase it? If you ignore an annoying guy at work long enough, he stops or it simply doesn't phase you any more. I would imagine that to be doubly true for beings that are, umm, invisible.
Also...do you consider porn addictions to be better or worse than the rape and pillaging that took place before, during, and after the bible's conception? Some of which was condoned, or at least not punished, by god?
So all illnesses are demons and things like antibiotics are a temporary fix? You don't burn witches anymore, but a few hundred years ago you would have, and guess what it still happens.
No, I didn't say ALL illnesses are caused by demons. I said demonic activity can lead to a variety of physical ailments. Sickness is a natural part of this world.
No, I wouldn't have burned witches in any time period. You clearly have a very warped idea of who I am. Pretty obnoxious to make such an accusation.
But I didn't say "You're wrong". I said you don't know, either. And you reply that you do to, but adamantly refuse to provide evidence of any kind except "I just know".
You do not believe my evidence, I have plenty.
You've got to sign up, and get your own, or don't.
I don't have it because it isn't there. Just the wants and desires of the mind, which a great many take as proof, even though they would never use the same method to fix a car, bake a cake or anything else.
Cars and cakes are physical things in the natural realm, so it makes sense to rely on physical and natural things. That which pertains to the spiritual is accomplished through the Holy Spirit.
God alone can offer you "proof", but we give testimony and "evidence" (as does all of creation, and as does the Word with its fulfilled prophesies). You say you want evidence, but you (our brilliant mathematician) won't even attempt to figure out the chances of that "super coincidence" I gave testimony of in my response to your post.
But we cannot know we can contact the "spiritual realm" where God resides. We cannot know there IS a god, OR a "Holy Spirit". We cannot discern whether it is our own mind or His when we "receive" His word. That leaves the physical things as evidence, and they are strikingly lacking for any logic exercise concerning a god. Only the imagination and subconscious, with it's tremendous desires and wants, is left to work with, and neither are known for finding truth or fact.
Not sure which coincidence you reference, but it can be calculated if we know all the facts. What cannot be found, however, is the probability of another universe with a single intelligent creature that loves us and created this one - that thousands of years of searching has not produced either the universe OR the entity indicates it is very low (certainly lower than anything that can happen in our every day lives), but that is all.
Physical evidence for God, the Creator of the universe, abounds - every single thing in creation is evidence of God! The beloved evolution theory at best would describe a process, not replace the need for the One who purposefully and wonderfully created the universe in its infinite magnificence - magnificence so far beyond our understanding, magnificence that reveals itself as beyond any possibility of a purposeless, un-designed unfolding, even if we allowed infinity for its occurrence. Those who believe it could all happen without design and purpose, given enough time, grossly underestimate all there is to every single thing within the universe. All the scriptural prophecies fulfilled are physical as well.
I asked you, our mathematician, to figure out the chances of a "coincidence" in my life. For one month (two pay periods) of my forty years, while my husband was in treatment (I was home with a baby and preschooler, so no income), we were missing our two paychecks ($1450-1480 take-home each, depending on OT) and had no money to pay the mortgage or anything else. Yet God assured me that he would take care of it, so that I (an anxiety disordered person) was not stressed. Just at this particular time, an unexpected check for $1480 came in the mail (from a Bank of America settlement filled out earlier in the year that said to expect around $300). This took care of the mortgage, etc. But the next paycheck was still needed for additional bills and so on. Again at the time of the next missing paycheck, another similar amount came from an unexpected place (a bonus for all the hundreds of employees at his work, even though his work didn't typically give bonuses), and this covered everything else. What are the chances that money would come in the limited range of the missing/needed amount (1480) exactly at the time needed, considering all the other amounts of money that could come and all the other two weeks of my forty years that it could come (during which I've not needed it to)? And that this would happen not once, but twice, covering both of the two missing paychecks.
God is Spirit and resides in the spiritual realm, therefore the highest heavens (what you're calling another universe) are not found in the natural realm. The place where God the Father resides is not populated by a single intelligent creature, but countless numbers of spiritual beings are there with him. He spoke all things in the natural into existence. No amount of searching in the natural will reveal that which is occurring in the supernatural, so failure to find it in the natural (no matter the time searched) reveals NOTHING of the probability of its existence.
Lucky for you God is there to pay your bills, yet leaves thousands of children to starve in the streets of third world countries.
This is pretty much where I'm at. But there's always an excuse. Man creates their own suffering. People have to die. Struggle reinforces faith.
A cheque comes in the mail and it's God looking for one of his children. A toddler dies of leukaemia and it's not God's responsibility to step in. It's all just so very convenient.
When God gives me a peace because he's taking care of it, and then the amount of the missing paycheck comes in the mail at the exact time it's needed (out of all my forty years, JUST when it's needed), and then the next of the two missing paychecks is taken care of by another check from an unexpected bonus, how could I not see that as my God taking care of things, just as he assured me? Especially when I've seen time after time that God is good and takes care of his children. "Oh taste and see that the Lord is good..."
God absolutely cares about the dying children. "Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of the saints..." Precious, just like childbirth here is precious. His children have left the earthly "womb" and have been born into his arms! For all we know my children may die as children. Will this mean God is not good or does not care about them? Of course not! Jesus was the most beloved, yet he suffered and died. ALL will die, whether early or late. We who have our daily needs met will also one day die, even young/youngish perhaps. Let us praise God for our needs being met, and let us praise him for the day we go home to him! Death is not the end, and life on earth is not designed to continue indefinitely. Some go early, some in between and some late. They all have both advantages and disadvantages, and God alone knows the purpose in the appointed number of days for each one of us.
Pretty unlucky for those third world kids that about the only time we talk about them is when attempting to guilt others that they exist.
I bet if we all chipped in they'd be fed. No God required.
Exactly!!! The blame game is tired and God is not ashamed.
We should be...
I collected 50 pounds of food for hungry Americans today. I'll probably collect more than a ton over the course of the winter. What have you done? Since you've expressed such an interest in my activity.
"I collected 50 pounds of food for hungry Americans today. I'll probably collect more than a ton over the course of the winter. What have you done? Since you've expressed such an interest in my activity."
We have been feeding and clothing 400 destitute or homeless people during the last two years, however the local business leaders do not like it, the town hall state that there is no problems, and so a couple of weeks ago the authorities closed our operation down.
What you are doing is commendable, keep at it!
We are now looking at getting a defunct restaurant and opening it to the homeless and dispossessed, but as always it's a matter of funding, and 'nice' people rarely want to fund those who do not meet their criteria as 'good causes'.
Good for you guys. I wish you luck. To clarify my previous statement I wish to point out my efforts are not as far reaching as yours. I've merely created an opportunity for others. My effort is miniscule, each of theirs a small sacrifice. Together, maybe we will make a difference; however I do realize I could and should do more. I should not have made the statement since my actions should not be considered praise worthy. It is the least I should have done from the moment I attained a position where it was feasible to do it.
No God required. Right, people who sit back any pray do not contribute.
You don't know that. They may personally contribute quite a lot. And if they don't tell you they do they are following the advice of Jesus.
I see, when you can say not God required but I can't?
Not at all. What I'm saying is prayer is not the only action people do. If someone truly cares, prayer is not the only action they take. And if all acted, those prayers would be unnecessary.
I don't know who, or what God is. I can't prove that one is. That isn't the point of life.
To be fair, some of us pray and act together.
That is an assertion based on no facts. God is an illogical and irrational concept.
Lot of kids know Santa personally.
No one's regarding god.
The NT authors are all unknown. For all we know it is written by charlatans. Mark copied it from OT, odyssey and iliad. Mathew redacted mark. Luke redacted mathew who was in turn redacted by john.
I just wrote it.
Well someone is sure of THEMselves...
Me too!!! hows about a game of chicken...? I bet you flinch first!!! Lol...
From the beginning christians thrive on lies, deception and torture.
And atheists thrive on telling them that...
That lie is preferable to truth.
It helps many to sleep more better.
They would if they discovered it works, however if you don't or cannot make that discovery, then yes, one is stuck with the natural and need rely upon man's efforts.
You say "it isn't there" but offer no proof, believers know it is, it may take lots of practice, we may fail many times in what we pray for, but IF you keep at it, the shackles of the enemy drop off and our prayers work.
Some just give up too easily.
Show us your 'proof' that "it isn't there"... be measured by your own standard of proof.
Shifting the burden of proof to the non believer will not work. This is why your religion is so divisive. Must be very frustrating for you to have no proof for your claims, I understand, and I know that honesty is not valued in your belief system, but it I would have thought even you would see how worthless this line of attack is.
Prayer does not work. But I personally find it entertaining that you think your god is so pathetic you can change it's mind by groveling at it.
Oh look! It isn't there! See? It isn't! Proof!
No grovelling Mark, just practice, and perseverance.... if you took up target shooting you may hit a 10 first shot, you may miss the target, but that would be no proof one way or the other that you were a good shot, but practice daily, and in time you should be able to put each shot where you expected it to go.
Of course the bad shot could always blame the rifle.
What a horrible metaphor. I don't believe your claims. Prove them. 2,000 years of prayer demonstrably not working is enough for me.
You pumping your fist to the heavens??? He (my God) aint mad??? Just enough faith to ask... it shall be given...
I liked the metaphor. it was a GREAT illustration of what we have here... "Stupid gun... NOBODY could hit THAT target!!!"
Til one day, a blind man with a damaged gun and shabby bullets hits the very heart of the target...
God cannot be Mad because he doesn't exist, only those who follow the priests who say god exists can be mad and most are.
And, given the proof we wish, we close our eyes as he misses the next 9 shots by a mile. Pretend they don't happen, conveniently "forget" them, propose that the blind man missed by intent to fool us. Whatever it takes to use only the first shot as the proof we earnestly desire.
Let's just reverse that, you prove that 2000 years of prayer have not produced beneficial results, were you there for those 2000 years?
Have you ever offered up a serious prayer to God, or do you just reinforce the god of this world with your banter?
Can you prove that the world would not be in a worse state had the prayers of the saints not been offered?
Prove to me that a policeman walking his beat does not stop more crime happening?
You guys always try this 'prove to me' nonsense, so why not live by what you claim as your 'unholy grail' .......... so me some proof that what you claim is correct.
Can't find the comment I'm responding to, I think by Jomine Jose, so I'll make my statement in a general post: The Scriptures are very specific in their prophecies and they do not claim opposite things will occur. They have come to pass in astonishing ways, and will continue to do so.
You have yet to make sense of the prophesies we find in the Quran. The ones that are specific rather than the vague ones we see in the bible. If you feel prophesies are evidence for your God why do you not see the Quran's prophesies as evidence for Allah?
I'm not familiar with specific prophesies having been fulfilled from the Quran.
The prophecies in Scriptures are often specific. They are specific enough to be understood as fulfilled, yet humans are always given the chance to believe or not.
Ahhhhh, see I showed them to you and you were amazed and have already forgot. Just as I have been saying. This is rather embarrassing I have to say. So incredibly predictable.
Again, because we live in this world of unrest; tragedy strikes often.
On the flip-side, God, often provides, miraculously, for those that trust him.
We may never say for sure which will occur.
Many times, God does not answer how WE say, WHEN we say; this most often separates the men from the boys. Boys have a big tantrum and storm away... men, trust still, and pray more...
Which friend do you prefer? One who storms away when you do not move when they say... or one who is faithful either way???
I can tell you which God wants... but I will take my chances in assumption that you already know.
That's insulting. But, you knew that. Aren't you special.
To be clear, I was not attempting insult. Honestly. I was simply agreeing that you would be overstepping in assumption about one you do not know.
I know that God cannot feel shame. It is not possible, for one oozing perfection at all times.
I'm really sorry it was offensive to you. I really didn't mean it, this time.
That's just a lie, you have no idea what any God feels.
You cannot possibly know what I know, unless I tell you.
In God, there is no shame. How could there be? He's perfect in every way.
Please stop with your assumptions of me. You simply do not know me. And you do not know my father.
This time? I like the honesty.
To be clear. I think, what you don't understand,is that most everyone feels comfortable with their understanding, with their opinion of their place in the universe.
People who go out of their way to knock other people's comfort zones are just exercising their ego. You are welcome to your beliefs but comments like that are an attempt to belittle other people and their beliefs. If you enjoy doing it, that is your business. You don't know anything more than anyone else, so you aren't belittling the person you meant to.
I know that not everyone is comfortable with their understanding or lack thereof of their place in the universe. This is why we have so many here, on these very pages, who shoot daggers and expect them to make a difference in conveying their messages of uncertainty. But the daggers boomerang sometimes.
Take your assertion that you feel you would be overstepping bounds to claim you know the feelings of a deity. I am real capable of deciphering two and two... you meant to chop me down a peg or two??? (remember how you liked my honesty? Try it here, or don't) but one second later, the boomerang. But it was truth... you would in fact be overstepping all bounds to assume you know something of the feelings of someone you do not know. We all may agree there. However, I know the deity. I know that shame is not on his list of attributes. I may say... because I do know...
Additionally, there are only a few people here with as large a brain as you, in your opinion, and you have no shame in letting that be known.
Yes, we (you and I) go way back to my first day here, years ago. And you hold NO punches. Never have. Neither do I. We claw and scratch simultaneously. Not just me.
What I know; you do not... God the father.
If you wanna ask, feel free.
If you want syrupy kindness, model...
When have I ever claimed a large brain? I have only laughed at such claims by pointing out being considered intelligent doesn't equate to knowledge of oneself. Those calculations are created by others to catalogue who others think we are. If I have made the claim it is simply to counter point out and showcase it to be ridiculous and of no value within the conversation. The claim is no different than many you make, in that it is an attempt to imply you should be listened to above another. Because that individual is somehow special and better equipped to lead.
Your assumptions grow tedious. Your accusations dishonest. Your whole post is indicative of your inability to view how your own words drive the reactions you complain about.
If God exists you are not special. You are not special. You are not special. Each person has their own journey, has their own lessons to learn and is interacted with according to their needs. You know nothing,.except what is meant for you. And being dishonest, overstepping the bounds of that knowledge by making claims easily seen as false, attempting to claim a cosmic pedestal.....well, if you can't see what this means, don't assume everyone else is at that same level of personal understanding.
Let your ego feed your need but don't expect others to follow suit.
I'm agreeing with you again. I'll back you up in that I don't remember you ever telling anyone how smart or big your brian is. We will leave that to another hubbers who brags about her education, intelligence, weight and bra size. You have done none of those things, I have no image of your appearance or intelligence from any of your descriptions.
LOL. I haven't seen anyone bragging about their bra size. That's a hoot.
"It wasn't that I dressed differently than the other women, it was that I looked different. I got a lot of attention in suits/blazers. I was being told to dress less professionally (big baggy sweater over everything), not more professionally. My supervisor had in her evaluations that I "always dressed professionally". Doesn't make sense to you? Maybe this will clarify. You probably know about bra sizes - a 32 is a very thin person; a DDD is a very large chested person. They rarely sell 32DDDs because it's so uncommon. Women who are 32DDD will get a lot of attention."
This person thought I needed to be taught that big breasted women get a lot of attention and thought that giving me her bra size would explain that to me.
The POINT was, sexual harassment. But somehow, you missed that part and stopped at the filling info which was why the harassment took place, and REMEMBERED where the comment was... not strange at all. Manly...
I guess going back in the list of pages constitutes as remembering exactly where the comment is...
You do realize big breasts has nothing to do with sexual harassment right?
Unfortunately, no... I am not THAT beautifully put together, though I do hold my own.
I was present at the comment of which we speak and the bra size didn't jump out at me at all. It was filler. It helped to convey the whys of the matter.
Sexual harassment rarely touches the AAA girl.
Interesting. If you flaunt your breasts, are proud of your breasts and dress to show them off they will be ogled. That isn't so much sexual harassment but getting what you were looking for in the first place.
That is not a valid comment and it sounds quite masculine. "How can I be expected to not look (then act on what i see) when she wears those things so that I can see them??? How can you expect me to not treat her (them) differently??? Or the same as I treat all the others???"
To be fair, she probably should have just left "them" at home. Lol... I guess it IS her fault.
The problem here Genaea is that you are focusing on the breasts. I have worked with women of all shapes and sizes. I find that the ones who become the most offended are the ones seeking the most attention. They are rarely able to admit it to themselves and the rest of us are left to deal with the drama.
Masculine again... kinda odd, coming from a woman... but I guess you could be anybody.
LOL. Can I assume you, too, are a drama queen at work?
I'm a woman who has absolutely no use for this type of childish behavior in the workplace. If you label that masculine; so be it. Rather disheartening, though. That type of mentality is why women consistently stay behind in pay and promotions. Act like a teenage drama queen and they get treated as such. I do not define my value by my physical attributes. If I did, would I become less valuable with age? Once your boobs sag....how much does that detract from your calculated value?
Only if you were a stripper. They have terrible pension plans.
Well, from the amount of money I hear a good stripper makes if she's smart and invests wisely she may not need a pension plan.
Well she chose her profession wisely, why wouldn't she invest her money well?
I tried to skim the last few pages, but I'm still missing too much. I don't have the fortitude to actually read it all so I'm just trying to insert myself in the conversation by making incredibly interesting observations.
Unfortunately, no desire for a mirror. People cannot help perky DDDs anymore than they can help drooping DDDDs. If it's not a "factor" for the latter, it should not be for the former; which is why the sexual harassment laws in place...
I know I will make enemies by saying this but in all the years I have been working (and I have been working since I was 10 with a part time job) I have only seen one case I felt warranted the label sexual harassment and even that one could have been avoided if the woman had acted like an adult and not a child who was flattered by inappropriate behavior up until the point she decided she was no longer flattered.
Oh. Also, I spend a great deal of time analyzing my actions to attempt to determine the whys and what fors. I don't need your mirror because I honestly don't want to stop analyzing my actions.
And, you are the one focusing on breasts. They are just a body part I don't find that interesting. Maybe you should find something else to occupy your time.
The breasts were interesting to you when Rad brought them up (not me). Remember how hilarious...???
Your bias is showing again... anything (you like) goes... just not real... mirror, PLEASE!!!
I found it hilarious that some woman would have the poor taste to bring up the subject.
Seriously though. Women focus too much on their bodies. My body is simply a vehicle used by my mind. How I perceive it will set the stage for how others do.
You missed the conversation, remember? Rad brought it up to you.
She brought up her SEXUAL HARASSMENT SUIT not her bra size, that was relevant filler...
Judgment is reserved...
Only Rad "focused" on the bra size. But, no man would blame him...
The convo started on Page 7, I think, and wound up on page 8. Anyone can go back and read everything that was written.
When i first saw this I was so relieved someone could finally shed some light on this. But, then after seeing that she looked too good for that environment, but God just told her she should be there I realized it was a total waste of time. I suppose God put her there specifically to sue for $80,000 dollars.
Interesting god she has.
I knew you would get it. You are again spot on. We don't agree often so when we do I've got to tell you.
I think we agree more often than not. You just go a little farther than i would on some things. Me farther than you on others. I appreciate your comment on the accusation made against me. I would be horrified if I thought someone honestly believed I had boasted on IQ. I find that droll when people do it.
Read the conversation enough to say rad man had a valid point. It is funny you are defending her and calling her words irrelevant, but accusing me of things I've never said.
"Rad had a valid point"...
I would expect that... now maybe if I bring up boob size and shed a light... probably wouldn't be well-received...
Typical "order of the day, tossed to-and-fro to me"...
Whatever genaea. For future reference, boob size is never an appropriate thing to discuss in a religion and philosophy forum. Neither is lying about another Hubber. In the future if you can refrain from both I'd say good job.
No need for accolades. I fit neither description. But if you listen and comment appropriately, I will say good job. But who cares???
Falsehoods again, I see. Par for the course. I'll leave you to continue on. We won't be conversing again. I have no interest in your beliefs and I will not respond if you attempt to engage me in the future. I won't defend myself against malicious attacks which anyone with any integrity can easily see you have done.
It always surprises me to see someone capable of reading yet actually lack the ability to understand what they read.
I think Emile is understand quite nicely. The problem here is this person says she successfully sued the government because someone made her feel uncomfortable. That's a fair and reasonable statement, but she didn't have to give me the background (that she was asked to dress appropriately around troubled teenage boy, and new her attire was giving her attention but didn't want to change it because it was professional and that was enough for her, and her bra size). That information wasn't even (as far as I can tell) related to her sexual harassment case, but she through that in there as well.
There is a difference between professional attire and appropriate attire, but that was besides the point. It's just funny that we have no idea what Emile looks like or how smart or well educated she is and yet she had to defend herself.
Emile is a tiny, naked sprite, and is obviously quite smart, although I have no idea about her education. They have fully accredited Sprite universities, but she had to attend online due to the fact that chose to remain shirtless.
You have to give her credit for not giving us any information that we do not need, except for the topless picture.
I'm a very slow sprite, too. It was a year and a half before I realized I didn't have a shirt on when that picture was taken.
lol! I know, I remember you saying that before. I hadn't noticed til you said that, and sure enough, there you were in all your tiny glory. Today was the first day I clicked on CG's pic (I thought from the comments maybe she was also topless, but thankfully, she remains clothed) and it is a very nice pic. I would like to make a joke now about my nude photos, but I know from past experience that I will never hear the end of a joke like that so I will just sit here and giggle at my own jokes.
Here ya go Cat. I wonder if Rad and Emile will approve. You may need to get some dark sunglasses too in case someone has an eye fetish.
I could care less. I don't know much about it, because i honestly gagged at the part i read.
But, judging by what was copied and pasted...I've met the type. I wouldn't have hired her in the first place. And I've fired a few who were inadvertently allowed to come in and spoil the barrel.
I posted that to try and lighten the thread up.
I am sure Cat is heart broken that you would not hire her at all.
I doubt it. You have no idea what we do. But, 'lightening the thread' by implying false ideas about me doesn't quite do it for me.
It has been my experience that false Christians are the worst workers. Everything is someone else's fault or Satan's work. They never do their job or take responsibility.
So, it is your opinion that Cat is a false Christian? And you know this. . . How?
By her words here. But, false Christian applies to most of the evangelists here. Empty sepulchers is about the gist of what I'm getting.
I resent that, but mostly I am tired of the chest talk. Can't we talk about something pleasant for a minute or two? Who saw/did something positive today?
I'm sorry? What chest talk? That was genaea's hangup. I thought she was finally done.
It doesn't matter what anyone tries to talk about. It always gets turned around because of someone telling partially what happened or twisting the words of others. This is one of the reasons why I hardly ever post anymore.
But, seriously. You seem like a caring person. I've always respected that. Which is why I don't completely understand why you support some of this drivel which is not only counterproductive, but alien to everything Jesus stood for.
Well, I think if we talked some stuff out in real life, where there was actual room for connection and understanding, things would appear in a different light. The way we do it here is someone presents a belief, then the opposing person has to defend or rebut that statement according to the first person's meaning/intent. But what if there were a sea of meaning and intent that I believed that were completely outside of the realm of the first person's margins? (Was that too complicated?)
Sea of intent? Lies fall in a sea of intent I prefer to avoid. And I don't back up a lie. Even for family. It would degrade me.
One has to stand firm behind one's belief. But choosing sides and marginalizing one's integrity to support that side is demeaning. If the sea of intent you perceive in your mind does not support behavior patterns of one's you align yourself with then you are swimming in the wrong sea.
I didn't realize we were talking about any other individuals. I thought you were talking about the kinds of thoughts and debates we all take on every day.
See what I mean? The op for misunderstanding is so great.
I'm sure not all unbelievers agree or align any more than every believer agrees or aligns their thoughts... if that answers that specific comment though.
No. It answers nothing. I get it though. Thinking about it, I expected no more or less. Why are you right here, right now? To talk trivialities? Nice weather we're having. Did you see the blood moon this morning? Yes? No? Either way, gee that's great. I'm off to bed.
Also, if you ever want to chat on the phone, I would love that. I offered that to Melissa once, but I think she was most probably repulsed by the idea, but I would really enjoy it. I am kind of an introvert, but I have made several friends doing so. I used to talk to a few scrabblers when I went on my walks and a group of us actually met for a weekend in St. Louis once. It was awesome. You could call me so that your number comes up as anonymous if you want, though you'd have to google it, I don't know how. Let me know, it would be fun. I feel like taking a walk right now anyway.
I rarely read her posts, because they are so ridiculous, but I was forced to when genaea attacked me with a lie and rad man commented. Somehow we devolved into the DDD debate, which if she was harassed she has my sympathy. But, I will not draw conclusions from one side of a story, which may be a lie. Especially one going so far out of its way to convince that she was too pretty to work there and everybody couldn't get past her boobs. That, in and of itself, causes me to raise an eyebrow as to where the problem lies.
I can tell you I am not an atheist. I have nothing but respect for the teachings of Jesus. I get them. I understand what he was saying. What he hoped to accomplish. But this hostility toward one's fellow man, this us against them mentality, this adamant insistence that the spirit dwells in some while others are barren is not from his teachings. It's perverted.
Maybe, the better statement would have been false followers of Jesus. As far as Christian behavior patterns it's probably par for the course.
And I'm telling you Jesus does not live within the hearts of those who do the things I listed. As I said, false followers. Empty sepulchers. Pharisees all.
I don't know whether you noticed, but rad man copied and pasted, genaea supported his assertion that the statement had been made. The conversation only expanded when she chose to do it. All i said before that point was commenting on one's body parts was inappropriate and laughable.
Radman copied one part of the whole conversation. As I stated earlier, I think it all started on page 7 and went on to page 8. I am not trying to keep you awake. Continue tomorrow if you want.
You listed those things, but accuse Cat of doing them. I will tell you this, she has shown great restraint, mush more than I would. This thread was hijacked right off the bat by RA, Jomine, Radman, Emile. She was asking fellow believers for knowledge and wisdom concerning prayer.
I would say how dare you state something so untrue, but hey. I've spent several pages with ganaea's falsehoods so maybe you guys all do it. My first comment on this thread was in support. It's there for anyone to see. It was many pages later when i posted again. The thread i started was hijacked by Christians before the second page.
the lies grow tedious.
You are right, you did show support for her. I apologize. The others did not show support but showed contempt.
Calling Genaea or anyone else a liar does not negate what many atheists do when they hijack threads simply for their own entertainment.
So, we are going to ignore negative behavior patterns including lies (hello? One the big commandments) and attempt to divert this by complaining about atheists? Simply seeking clarity.
Who lied and about what? I am not complaining about atheists, just making an observation. It is what they do, always. I wouldn't know how to act if they didn't post the way they do.
Don't you understand that this refusal to hold to a higher standard drives the atheists? Sure. Some would post anyway. Some simply need to vent. But, many of them truly respect Jesus. They respect his teachings. What they don't respect is the same that bothers me. Lies. Falsehoods. Hypocrisy.
No one is perfect, but those who claim to knowJesus who do not aspire to the highest standards not only lose respect but garner derision because of the respect the name of Jesus commands. So many claim they are being persecuted in the name of Jesus but it isn't in his name it's because of his name. They degrade his name by their actions.
And yet no Christian here is lying to you. SirDent even corrected himself regarding your initial post in this thread.
Hypocrisy, well, that's a human trait; not sure if any are completely without it. That's why Jesus said that at whatever point we condemn another, we're condemning ourselves.
Are you saying geanaea is not a Christian? Because she said ' there are only a few people here with as large a brain as you, in your opinion, and you have no shame in letting that be known.' Which is untrue. I have never made that statement. I don't think that statement.
So, either prove it was said by me, call her out for the falsehood or make another false statement yourself. Your choice.
She didn't say you made that statement; as I understand it, she's saying everything you say in effect makes that statement. You can disagree with her assessment, but still understand that she is giving her genuine, honest opinion on it. So no (whether her assessment is accurate or inaccurate), she is not lying.
I know with 100% certainty that Cgenaea is a true Christian, as I know it about many here. Though they all have their own styles and their own strengths and weaknesses, I hear the words of my Lord when they speak.
Out of curiosity, how could I make it be known that I believed I had a bigger brain without stating I believed I had a bigger brain?
You guys are slippery, oily,.ridiculous. I see dishonesty is going to stand firm in its delusion that anyone believes it. Enjoy.
Most of what we make known is not directly said. Sincerely, you are clever and witty, Emile. When you're not angry or defensive, your posts are often amusing and enjoyable.
Now the not so complimentary part: You know you are clever and witty (though perhaps also insecure) and it shows (if for no other reason than you must make clever and witty comments, because it is your gift). But more importantly, you seem wise in your own eyes when it comes to the things of the Lord, rather than humbled at the Word of God.
Gee. Thanks for the arm chair analysis. I feel so honored. Giddy even.
Backing up a bit. I have not made the claim I was accused of. You are making that claim about me as genaea did. Your dishonesty does not negate my honesty. You don't know me, yet seek to define me so that you can feel superior. Who,.exactly, is insecure?
Nobody said you made the claim; nobody is being dishonest. Perhaps I'm mistaken - You are in fact humbled at the Word of God, so that you do accept its absolute truth?
I accept that all things evolve. If they didn't you'd have only the Old Testament to reference. I accept that the ministry of Jesus was a foundation for the individual to build on. Following the spirit of the law first and foremost. I accept that many attempt to follow the letter of the law because they lack either the ability, or the will, to understand the spirit of the law.
I have no problem giving leeway to those who lack that ability. What I don't give leeway to is those who lack that ability or lack the will.who think everyone should stay in remedial classes with them.
I've got to comment further here. I told you I read the post rad man referred to. I've also read your comments on the last page. To recap, you believe you have large breasts, you consider yourself attractive, you think you look decades younger than you are.
So, it's healthy to go on and on about appearance, but it's unhealthy to use your mind? That's what this boils down to for you. Isn't it? I'm just my words here. Nothing more. And that's bad. In your opinion. I make no claims, but my words imply, to you, a 'bigger brain' as genaea puts it. Which is insulting to you. Why? Because I refuse to accept drivel regurgitated and attempted to be passed off as 'God's Will'? Insulting as that might seem we all have brains. Some choose to use them. Some don't.
I go on and on about a great many things relevant to all my testimonies. I went on and on about a check in a certain amount coming at a certain time. You don't like my details in this particular case; I'm sorry about that. They are still relevant.
Would you prefer I say some negative things about myself at this time? There are many I could say, many I've confessed before - I'm guilty of every category of sin imaginable; insecure as you say, sure; often a walking contradiction; spin me around a few times and I'll be lost (or don't and I'll still be lost); I'm a terrible driver; I can barely cut an apple...
Use your mind, yes, but our desire is to have the mind of Christ. So we seek to use our mind to question people and their wisdom, while upholding the wisdom that comes from heaven.
Seriously? I don't know your details in any case, save this one. I don't read your posts. This one is pertinent to this conversation. I don't expect you to disparage yourself.
I simply find it odd that you are so focused on appearance and have jumped on the band wagon complaining that you think I think I'm smart. It's just off balance. I honestly can't follow your reasoning.
"She didn't say you made that statement; as I understand it, she's saying everything you say in effect makes that statement."
I am comin' ta kiiiss you!!! What is your ADDRESS!!! LOL...
I KNEW that SOMEBODY got it!!! The angels are singing in my head!!! Yess!!! Confirmed!!!
If your lord is a waffling delusional entity with two feet firmly planted on the shady side of the fence....I get where you're coming from.
My comment that, she has a bigger brain than most everyone here (though I forgot to mention, even God) in HER opinion, is possibly what sent the hissing my way. She and Rad ran with, I said, that she said, she bragged about her iq or something like that. Twisty turnsy...here we are.
I started in defense of Cat and her testimony about her SEXUAL HARASSMENT SUIT.
Then, I was accused of focusing on boobs. Crazy sh*t...
When Rad Man made the assumption / accusation that I was dressing provocatively (blaming me for the harassment), the details were relevant. I've talked about a healing related to periods, too; I will hold nothing back when relevant, whether it makes me look good or bad, uplifting or humiliating...
Some of your comments have revealed a great deal about your tendency to blame victims of harassment: I know her type, I wouldn't have hired her in the first place, the women I've known who report harassment, etc. Perhaps sexual harassment training would encourage a more enlightened view that is less blaming of those who are harassed.
I understand you resent certain statements I make regarding the Spirit and Truth, and I will not compromise to please, but I don't recall any unkind words I've said to you, so your tendency to judge and criticize me seems to reveal that there are some underlying issues at play.
I an not privy to all of your conversations with rad man. As I said, i honestly don't have the interest to sift through your posts. But, as I also stated I will not draw conclusions about those you attack, who are not here to defend themselves. I read the one post concerning the comment rad man copied and pasted. As a stand alone post, you dug your own grave. If, on subsequent comments, you clarified then OK. We can only go by experience and i have already commented as to what these things have boiled down to, in my experience. I don't offer sympathy unless it is warranted. Otherwise, I am being unfair. Are you advocating that I run the risk of being unfair, simply to support an unverifiable story by a total stranger?
Analytical... you did say you received praise for your work, right??? I like your mind and (possibly) envy your breast size... A LOT... sorry, last mention... but, analytical you are. I know that it did not miss you (totally)
You're right, it didn't miss me. Maybe it's the therapist in me... trying to get someone to come up with an answer "herself" that I already know.
Do therapists feel that boys, needing assistance, respond better to beautiful women? I was thinking about it, and it seems that boys who are frightened, or troubled, or any other boy, for that matter, would respond much better to a woman, especially one with assets.
I would imagine that girls, troubled or not, would respond equally better to a hot, buff man of a therapist as well. Either way, it doesnt exactly mean they are getting the help they require. They just want to oggle the assets. Kind of like a hot substitute teacher teaching a class full of hormonal teenagers. The teaching is getting done, but at least half the class isnt listening.
I do understand. But as I understand it, therapists are to talk and get people to openup. Would the beauty not be considered an important avenue?
Not trying to put the pot-bellied or flat chested out of work; but it seems that the one needing help would feel more relaxed with a dime. Just wondering...
Not true. Studies show both boys and girls (and men and women) all prefer women therapists. The girls were as likely as the boys to specifically request me as their counselor, and my rapport with the girls was very high also. My therapy of choice was strengths-based. The kids responded well to it. I cared about the kids there, and they could tell.
You seem like a nice guy most of the time, Link. Just please be careful to avoid attitudes that are degrading or supportive of harassment.
I was speaking generally, not about your experiences specifically. A source to confirm your studies might help things along nicely.
And what was it that I said that was degrading or supportive of sexual harassment? It would be nice to clarify things now, rather than have things randomly invented and used against me as seems to be the theme in this thread.
For whatever reason(s), I had great rapport with the kids, I was their therapist of choice, they opened up well with me, said they could tell I actually cared, and I was able to confront them about their problematic/illegal behaviors without them getting defensive.
Studies have revealed that most people prefer women therapists; how much impact physical appearance has, I'm not sure. I considered more that God kept me very youthful because it seemed to give them more comfort around me (they mistook me for twentyish when I was thirtyish and even beyond).
Detention was my "mission field" for a decade, and I will always be grateful for the opportunities God gave me there. FYI, the law actually permits the use of religious discussions within Corrections. I was recently told by a staff member that while I was there, the kids regularly asked staff for bibles to read, but that they rarely do now. I know I fulfilled God's purpose for me while there, but he also foretold when the season would change and I would need to leave.
Just as I thought. Your love outweighed. Children have a sixth sense too. They seem to be able to spot phoney paycheck seekers. You know the type... judgmental and elite-feeling...
Kudos! I pray for you. Pure hearts can be vulnerable.
Hey! Right is right. The petty stop at insignificance was pointed out.
I appreciated your testimony, could not let it be mud-drug without shedding the PROPER light.
God's got this...
Hilarious. I wish I knew who that was. What a conversation to embark on here. I wouldn't dream of sharing such as that.
An example of false witness.
We can just wait until the next time YOU are "corrected" by the great and powerful brain of better knowledge. There will be a next time... count on it.
It appears my manner of engaging in conversation on this site has hit a nerve with you. I would suggest, if you find yourself offended, to simply not engage me. Problem solved. Yes? Because if I have not claimed a bigger brain and you assume I have one (as is clearly your assumption on two posts so far) this is not indicative of a problem on my end.
Now THAT was hilarious! Lol... the manner with which you use to communicate here are of no issue to me... I thought we had that clear...
I will not be running from YOUR conversation. I find it amusing. "I don't know THAT...but I know every damned thing else..." is funny to me. No, you have not "claimed" anything... you simply unclaim the opinions of all others. As if...
Again, interesting how you use your imagination in order to ignore the reality of our interaction.
We have outside verification that you have presented at least one falsehood against me already. How can I trust anything you say if you have no regard for honesty?
This is not a battle of wills or wit... luckily, huh???...
You have never "claimed" anything, but opposition to what is said (on either side, mind you...); you insert your opinion wherever deemed fit... as if...
My argument is tailored. Haven't you noticed? I have but one source.
To be tossed to and fro..., is not knowledge. It is simply opposition... to whomever does not agree with the idea of the day...
If I want to know about custom jewelry, I see Jake... if I want to know about sailing, I see Jacques. If I want to know about cooking, I see Julia. And if I want to know about God, I see Jesus. The masses simply do not know God. They "know" all else though.
My God exists, that is what makes me to know that I am not "special". His mirror is scary sometimes, which is why so many try to avoid it, or "clean" it...
Ego is the tool of the spiritual wickedness which rules this world. It says, "YOU are the master, and YOU know better what makes sense. Shine YOUR knowledgeable light!!!"
God says, "you don't know nothin'... follow me."
The knowledgeable do not like his charge, "I can do it MYSELF! Cuz I know BETTER than that!!!" is their assertion.
So many feel like their own words out-trump. If THAT aint special feelin ego... I don't
Uh. Say what? I'm not sure if you are aware of it, or not, but yours is also an opinion. Am I not allowed one?
That would be your primary problem with being unable to defend your position. You might expand your mind by referencing other sources.
Not sure where you are going with that one.
You don't give any reason to assume you 'know' Jesus. You know what Genaea believes. It is not one and the same.
No. Your imaginary mirror scares you. You want to scare other people with this imaginary mirror. This does not mean that we should be scared.
Sorry Genaea. Your beliefs are yours. They are not always 'biblical' they are simply what you have been taught and you accept. By coming into this forum and pushing your beliefs as if they are God's will, you are basically doing exactly that. You are saying "I am the master, and I know better what makes sense. Let me shine my knowledgeable light!!!"
Which means, from this angle, it appear that you do not like his charge, "I can do it MYSELF! Cuz I know BETTER than that!!!" is your assertion.
Yes. We know you feel that way. Therein lies the problem.
My one source is the bible. Our discussion usually centers around it. The info is found nowhere else. But it is sought elsewhere, THERE in lies the issue. You're baking a cake with Jacques. Probably won't turn out right. But that aint the point. Is it???
My mirror is the bible. A known document. Not one i have written. EVERYONE knows about it...so it IS commonly known about. But not all will yield their own will to it. It is deemed rubbish. Yet it is the only place that reveals the life and ministry of Jesus.
No need to re-resource. All I need is in there.
No. Your mirror is yourself. I realize you can't see that. Probably never will. Unfortunately I won't ignore facts. If your one source is the Bible you are woefully ill informed.
...the expert on what constitutes as information??? Hilarious...
Never claimed to be an expert. Better than you at identifying? Yes. I believe I will make that claim.
I don't think you should stop at better than me... I'm nobody. My SUBJECT is worthy of your current comparison, but you have no idea how far off...
Your subject? DDD breasts? Really? Get a life Genaea.
MY subject is the bible/Jesus/God. Rad... remember? Maybe you have forgotten your current "selection" I know they may be a bit hard to keep up with...
Bible, Jesus, God, Rad. Ok. So the boob defense is done. Than goodness.
Many times, I have asked to see the "lie" I've been accused of telling. No one is ever able to find them... but tig ol bitties??? Rad knows RIGHT where to go...
I have pointed them out to you on many occasions. Oh wait........
You missed the point. Oh wait - there she goes again.
Hope that helps you understand.
I really need to go back and read this one... without any context, this is so very odd. lol
No... this seems like one of those awful back and forths that don't serve a great purpose. Hey! Whadja have for breakfast?
Can't we all just get along?
I quit my job and don't start my new one til next week. I have at least 4 days with nothing to do, but tedious housework, p/t conferences and I finally gave in and went back to Grey's Anatomy, which I had already tired of about 4 years ago.
I can get along. Unless, you don't want to get along. Then I can not get along. I'm very accommodating.
Cat333 told us about a sexual harassment suit in which she was successful (because of prayer and favor- though favor, I just added) Rad cannot forget the DDD reason for the need of the suit and shared it with his buddy. Then I reminded the world of the point of her mentioning her breast size at the time (very relevant info). Rad didn't name who... buddy's assumption brought us to this point, the CG spotlight.
Her bra size was an irrelevant issue. That was the funny part. Emile was accused of bragging about how smart she is when she has never done that. Someone else tells a story about how God gave her some money and in doing so throws in how distracting her figure was to those around her. I just think that's funny.
So happy to hear you got the new job!! Hope it turns out great!
I do not maliciously attack. It is funny we have gone this far with this.
I have been in this position of being afraid that I will never ever get speak to you again. I think I'll live through it. Til next time.
Here's a major point some of you seem to be intentionally overlooking: Rad Man made an assumption and accused me of dressing provocatively, thereby placing blame on me for the harassment. I'd been speaking of God's prophetic words and promises to me - "They will fight against you, but will not overcome you", and spoke of victory in my work and in my lawsuit. When he made his accusation/assumption about me dressing provocatively, I gave the additional information to clarify why the harassment occurred (which was not because of the way I dressed). Rad Man has revealed a condoning, blaming attitude for the harassment throughout. Ironically this is the same attitude at the root of those he accuses of mistreating women who are not virgins, etc. (though he imagines himself an advocate of women and others). Several of you on here would benefit from sexual harassment training, which may help you avoid the "blaming the victim" tendency of some.
My lawsuit was about a man who engaged in much worse harassment of me and several other women (not to mention a myriad of other problematic behaviors including abuse of a juvenile male there, dishonest activities and fraud, etc.), as well as the failure of the agencies to investigate any of the reports, and the resulting extensive retaliation. All those mistreated by my harasser (female and male employees) and affected by the corruption and deceit there, were overjoyed at the victory. The HR lady was even a witness for me and one of my strongest advocates, so, no, this case was NOT as it's being portrayed by several on here. It's a shame the levels some stoop and the backwards attitudes that persist in our day.
Thank you, Cgenaea, my sister-in-Christ, for your support! I am so glad you have an enlightened view of sexual harassment, and hope those who are behind in their views will educate themselves and will in the future take a less blaming, less judgmental approach of women who are harassed.
Thumbs up. I knew you would come and explain eventually.
Unfortunately, this was about much more. We got a dose of how fickle the masses may be.
Genaea's thinking of boobies was the gut wrencher; not the real bobbie thinker... see how THAT "good point" was praised??? Keep watching... those high place powers are real tricky... and most times...they trick themselves successfully; high fives to boot. Lol...
Hope your new outfit works out better! And hey!!! Don't forget the glasses... wouldn't want to give the wrong impression.
Where did I say you dressed provocatively? That dear is how you hear things.
You said you were asked to dress more appropriately around troubled teenagers and you refused to.
And you brought all this up for some unknown reason because you admit it had nothing to do with your case.
I brought this up here because Emile was being accused of bragging about her intelligence, and I thought the contrast was funny.
Yes!!! Jesus stood for his father... you know the one... well... maybe not...
But Jesus was a strong advocate of his own, still is...
It would be better to have a millstone tied about the neck and be cast into the sea, than to offend the least of his... the TRUE and WIDELY AVAILABLE bible told me that.
So!!! There you have it, Cat333. Not all men CAN be saved... the bible promised many more will not.
Self is a hard thing to get past. Especially when your brain is big and you slam your gavel on God himself... there is NO WAY for a man to find Jesus, when self impedes all progress
Waste of time, praying for ALL to get to heaven. It is a decision we each make alone, as the god of self. That will not be taken away.
There will be no knowledge-filled brains at the table; only the body of Christ.
Love as you love yourself... hmmm... maybe that means look out for... give wholeheartedly, tell the good news, encourage, or...whatever the spirit leads to...
Please tell me what you have come to see; and what you think of what I say here; when you get s minute.
If I were you, I'd just leave it... another twisty turnsy mulberry bush dance at this hour... but I'm with you all the way...
I think Sir Dent helped with this comment. plagiarism? No... the spirit has taken over.
Every knee shall bow...
An edit... I think we are familiar with the seethe...
However Cat333, the honesty gets easier, see??? You are not bound by normal rules of engagement, here. Unknown makes it easier. Especially REALLY unknown.
It is much easier to be truthful in this venue. No pressure of having to feel the eyes burning the back of your head at work.
The Lord told me a long time ago, "Write down what I say." At the time, I was unsure... but now! I know what he meant.
Why is this such a toxic place? Breasts? Lawsuits? There's always something. I reached out in friendship tonight. It was ignored completely. Why must we be so cold? We can't let ANYthing go? We can make mistakes, but NO one else can?
Atheists: don't scoff!
Can't we just allow others to be human and make mistakes? We make them all the time. Say hello. Be kind. Just forgive and move on. None of this stuff matters. Not. One. Bit. Debate is fine, but all the garbage is so unnecessary. A large percent of this stuff is usually based in misunderstanding. We're all a part of it. Let's just start over. Is that too Pollyanna? It wont kill us, but this toxic fighting... it's like a long, drawn out illness.
Hey. I meant it when I said I was sorry I offended you.
It's ok, the last thing I want to do is start a whole new thing. I just think we're all stuck! God forbid something really bad happened in our lives tonight, but if it did, this stuff would be a joke. We wouldn't even remember it. Let's just be ppl... We're mostly women on this thread and not one of us is trashing men! (We all get that that's an ironic joke, right?) We're all here for some reason... we have that in common. Something brings us here. We have more in common than strangers in the street. Why not find out the stuff we connect on and support one another, at least a little? IDK... Sorry for interrupting again, but life sucks sometimes. Why would we voluntarily make our little haven suckier?
We wrestle not against flesh and blood.
In all thy getting, get understanding...
I love you dearly, Beth. I yield to the spirit within you on all fronts. You have the gift of reason. It comes out in marvelous and amusing ways. I find myself lol-ing to almost every post. I find you remarkable in wit and spirit. I do not persist to irk you in any way.
It is a conversation that has taken MANY turns. We debate... we reason... we press toward the mark.
No, this is not the PERFECT illustration of harmony. But it cannot be; for obvious reasons. It is the PERFECT illustration of love, to me.
Oozing wounds need bandages. The Samaritan is prepared. Sometimes the bleeder is hysterical and begging to not be touched. But the Samaritan cannot be swayed. His mission is to bandage.
Now, he may rip every gauze pad provided. But it is his choice. The helper helped.
I hope you feel me. This is not about, "I hate your idiot guts you slithering slitherer!!!"
Emile's one of my faves. She knows, and is probably squirming as she reads. I made it clear at one time.
I can go back to that. But I think she'd prefer the opt to sharpen...
I totally understand. ive taken part in a billion of these, right? We've all witnessed it... Im just having a moment of clarity and it's DEPRESSING!!! We have to learn to let some things go. I have been misunderstood dozens of times, but you can't convince ppl that you're right and they're wrong, so say it loud, say it clear, then let it go. I will call you if I need a nice set of earmuffs, I will call Emile when I can't solve an equation, I will call Cat when I want to know how to look hot (I mean HOTTER, if you know what I mean) and I ... well I wont call Sir Dent, cause that would be inappropriate. Anyway, Ive taken up way too much of everyone's time and I apologize, but it's just so nice that you all took a collective breath... God bless you all!
Well, I would like for my degrading words to be explained to me and for it to be elaborated upon on how I am supportive of sexual harassment, rather than have it ignored for half a page of comments.
At the very least.
What if we all agree that sexual harassment is bad and illegal and unfair to both sexes and if anyone said anything they shouldn't have, we all sing the Frozen song together in harmony... like a 70s Coke commercial? Our own personal Hands Across America, only with no touching... just in case.
What? You expect me to learn the lyrics and tune of a totally new song at 2am?
No. It's not happening. You'll just have to chose another song. Sorry.
On second thought, I just mouth the words anyway in a group sing a long. That song is fine.
Don't be giving the dress away. The self proclaimed pretty girl might want it.
hahahaha... it didn't last long did it. Oh well. Love to you all and that Link guy that I don't know yet.
Emile: I was sexually harassed because of my body type. Large chested women are frequent targets of harassment; it has nothing to do with what they wear or say/do. It actually results in psychological problems for women and girls when they're treated differently because of the way they look. I never said I believe I'm pretty. You even have a "type" in your mind of those who report sexual harassment. You wouldn't hire someone of a certain type (itself discrimination). There have been a lot of condoning attitudes of sexual harassment expressed here, primarily by you and Rad Man, who both resorted to the "blame the victim" mentality. Again, I encourage sexual harassment training for enlightenment.
Beth: I appreciate your efforts at peacemaking. Still, there's a time for peace and a time for war. Sexual harassment is a serious problem. Condoning attitudes of it make it all the more serious. Minimizing attitudes don't help. It must be confronted; it's a battle worth fighting (not yet the time for peace). I understand that Emile is somewhat of a friend to you, so I understand the extra desire to avoid conflicts in this particular situation. I'm sorry that it's disturbing to you. And I hope you can understand it. You are a beautiful woman of God, and I will always know and appreciate that about you. Right now I really appreciate the support from Cgenaea and SirDent. God gave me a promise that I would not be put to shame for it and that I would be victorious in the battle against my harassers and retaliators, and despite its unlikelihood in the natural (sexual harassment suits are rarely successful; suits against government agencies rarely successful...), as always God kept his promise. I give testimony of all manner of things, and God's promises to me here are one of them. I won't be shamed into silence. God gave the victory and I will tell of it.
I think they were talking about you dressing provocatively in front of troubled teenage boys incarcerated in care. That is what you said wasn't it?
No, RA, I never said I dressed provocatively. Perhaps you got that one from Rad Man.
No, RA, I never said I dressed inappropriately. I said I dressed the same as the other female therapists and teachers there. I was treated differently because of body type. It's called sexual harassment (still not what my lawsuit was about, which was much more direct sexual harassment). Please take a sexual harassment course.
I see. So you don't think you should take into account your body type when dressing for incarcerated teenage boys? A flat chested co-worker gets away with it and your 32DDD chest just pours over, but that is OK and asking you not to flaunt it in front of troubled teenage boys is "sexual harassment."
Please learn appropriate behavior when dealing with troubled teenage boys in a position of authority.
I ensured I was covered. No cleavage was ever showing. You are making inappropriate assumptions. Please take a sexual harassment course.
Right, it wasn't what your law suite was about, yet you mentioned it.
It was the first of two related but separate testimonies, so of course I mentioned it. My first testimony was that God foretold and promised: "They will fight against you but will not overcome you." I said what the fulfilling attack was and the promise of my victory that came to pass.
The second testimony was God's promise of victory regarding more extensive harassment and retaliation there, and the victory that came through God JUST AS HE PROMISED!
One last thing I would like to know actually. During your case, did you ever mention that god warned you of coming trouble, or that he guided you to that place specifically?
Yes, I mentioned that detention was my God-given calling. Why; do you think they would not have taken me seriously if I said such? Wouldn't / didn't matter. God took care of it just as he promised.
There is a difference between saying that detention is your god given calling, and saying that god guided you to that place specifically.
So you also told them you were forewarned of potential trouble? You seem to have skipped over that to address the second question for some odd reason
This god-thingy is not looking very good here. I mean - growing lost limbs back is one thing, but deliberately setting up a sexual harassment case so a large breasted person can get some attention? Not impressed myself. Reminds me why I don't believe in it.
That was THE detention center in close proximity to where I lived (serving a multitude of localities). That was the specific location if I was to work in detention in fulfillment of my calling.
I spoke of God's promised victory in my case. My lawsuit wasn't about the prophesied attacks and victory in the other situation.
Welp, that does it. Here is the official end of the topic, at least on my end, considering how I cant seem to get you to answer any of my questions directly.
If this is a common trait followers of faith have, then it really is no wonder why religion causes problems.
All after the fact stuff, never any predictions, never any information that you couldn't possible know.
Yesterday, God promised me I'd have sausage for dinner, and I did.
No attacks yet, no reason for them to suddenly come, yet God says, "they will come against you". Immediately fulfilled in a great way. The head of detention determines it would be easier to get rid of me; he's in a much powerful position than I am:; I'm in danger of losing my job based on harassing attitudes and gossip. Yet God promised over and over that He was with me and they would not overcome me. God fulfills his word to me - superintendent can't get rid of me, I maintain my position and work there many more years.
Unlike a situation in which you can choose sausage for dinner, the attacks and the victory were both out of my control. God foretold them and God saw that they came to pass.
Additionally, my lawsuit was very unlikely to be successful for several reasons - sexual harassment cases specifically are rarely successful (and very minimally when they are, so that you don't even get court costs back); I didn't have money for a good lawyer; I was fighting against two government agencies who were obviously much more powerful than I. God promised the victory that was highly unlikely in the natural. And it came to pass just as he'd promised.
If there were any evidence you were a victim provide it. Honestly, this whole conversation is completely out of place. I don't think you should have brought it up, in the first place. You go on and on. If you and genaea would simply drop it, I'm sure everyone else would. Rad made one comment. I laughed at it because you should never have brought it up. Genaea insisted on naming you and broadening it. You two only have yourselvesyourselves to blame.
The evidence related to my lawsuit is extensive and involved harassment by a particular leader at detention (toward me and other women), as well as retaliation following my reports of harassment. I don't think we want to go into all those details. These other attacks being discussed, while they are harassing in nature, are minor in comparison and were not a part of my lawsuit. They were brought up as an example of God foretelling and making a promise, and all his words coming to pass - "They will fight against you but will not overcome you". You want to monitor what should and shouldn't be brought up, but I will give any and all testimony.
Rad Man inappropriately said more than once that I dressed provocatively, placing blame on me for the harassing attitudes toward me. Assuming the posts were not deleted, they can be found in the following comments (and if they can't be found, once is too many anyway). I gave details in the hopes of enlightening as to why the attacks were not "deserved" (as his statements about provocative dress implied), and revealing that the attacks were unavoidable for me. Yet the details, given in my own defense of a harassing situation, seem to have angered several here (I won't speculate as to the reasons).
The attitude of many here is that I should blame myself for my harassment (as I allegedly dressed provocatively and/or inappropriately, and didn't LEAVE my position following harassment). What is it now you're saying I have only myself (and Cgenaea) to blame for?
I did no such thing. I never placed any blame about any harassment on you. That is an out right lie. I never even comment on your harassment law suit, because you haven't supplied any details all you talked about was how people were asking your to change your attire around troubled teens because it was too distracting and you refused to.
Sorry, I can't go back and delete 6 day old posts. No you should not be to blame for your harassment, whatever that was. Was it because your co-workers asked you to not wear tight fitted clothes around trouble teens? Anyhow, as much as I find this conversation amusing, it's time to stop chatting about Cat and her bra size.
As long as you didn't delete them soon after posting, they can be viewed - there were at least two posts in which you made the accusation related to "provocative" attire. You are doing it again - now saying "tight" clothing. These are all either deliberate or subconscious attempts to place blame on me for the harassment. It's a common attitude called "blaming the victim", and it's specifically addressed in sexual harassment trainings, which is why I've been encouraging several of you to take a course. You didn't give opinion on the greater harassment case for which I had a lawsuit, but you certainly did and are expressing a condoning attitude regarding the milder harassment in the other situation - the targeting and differential treatment of me based on body type / physical attributes. One here even thinks a person should LEAVE their position based on their body type or they're responsible for their own harassment once it begins. Professionals do not want to be judged by their physical appearance rather than their job performance, and no one wants to be singled out and treated differently. It's also all very illegal, regardless of the opinions here.
I don't think anyone has blamed you for anything. Simply raised an eyebrow at your 'defense' of yourself and pointed out that insisting to ignore propriety (as you have made it clear you did) might be partly responsible for your woes.
The blame has been blatant to anyone with any knowledge of sexual harassment and problematic attitudes regarding it, though it may be unrecognized to some. The desires of others to simply "hush, hush" about it are also problematic. That's what the trainings are for. The attitudes expressed here are an offense not only to me, but to all sexual harassment victims. We won't be hushed or shamed.
I NEVER used the words provocative or inappropriate. Those blaming words were all you!
Provocative - you said your figure is simple too distracting to others and you gave me your bra size.
Inappropriate - you said you were asked to cover up.
Just going by what you told me.
Distracting was your word, not mine. Being advised to wear a large sweater over professional clothes (and being singled out for this request) is inappropriate. Bra size only entered in after you made an assumption that I was wearing provocative clothing, and I sought to clarify why the harassment did not relate to provocative clothes but would have occurred no matter what I was wearing (you were attempting to blame me; I was attempting to reveal why I was not to blame).
"It wasn't that I dressed differently than the other women, it was that I looked different. I got a lot of attention in suits/blazers. I was being told to dress less professionally (big baggy sweater over everything), not more professionally. My supervisor had in her evaluations that I "always dressed professionally". Doesn't make sense to you? Maybe this will clarify. You probably know about bra sizes - a 32 is a very thin person; a DDD is a very large chested person. They rarely sell 32DDDs because it's so uncommon. Women who are 32DDD will get a lot of attention."
If I had time I'd go back and look at all your posts I'm sure I'd find the word distracting somewhere, but you mentioned you get a lot of attention twice in that one paragraph, attention is a distraction. My work is done here. Unfollowing.
Negative, unwanted, harassing attention. NOT because of provocative or inappropriate clothes, but because of body shape. Your assumptions and accusations about provocative clothing make it clear you blame the victim and condone sexual harassment. Talking to you is beginning to feel like talking to a wall.
What are you talking about? You relayed a story to me in which you stated your co-workers were asking you to dress more appropriately (cover up) around troubled teenagers. Please stop pretending I'm simply making up words when all I've done is relayed your story. I'm telling you what you told me.
I most certainly did not blame you for anything and I do not appreciate being told to take sexual harassment training. Dear, I have not asked you for any information pertaining anything about you and I've not volunteered any information about me.
I've spend 10 years working in an office of 12 women and two men and not one of them ever said I needed sexual harassment training.
Pretending I've deleted my posts is another falsehood I'll kindly ask you to stop.
You are beginning to make rather serious allegations about my character so I'd like to kindly as you to stop.
YOUR translation of their comments was that I was dressing provocatively and/or inappropriately. Within this assumption and interpretation, you reveal your blaming, condoning attitude of the harassment. I didn't say you deleted posts; I said you used the word provocative in at least two (likely still there). You also just attempted to do the same thing by saying "tight" clothing. Perhaps this is all unintentional, but that's all the more reason you may benefit from sexual harassment training.
Should I really go back and find your post where YOU decribed your own body and how distracting your figure is and how you were asked to cover up. Since when is telling someone that they are most likely dressing inappropriately when they are telling you that others told them they were dressed inappropriately. Inappropriate simply means wrong for the occasion, like wearing a suite to a beach.
I realize this is a sensitive issue for you, but I've done nothing wrong. No one here is attacking you.
The foretold fight against me came in several back to back incidents in which I was singled out, accused, asked to dress differently than others, gossiped about regarding affairs with coworkers, and an attempt was made by the superintendent to get rid of me because it was easier for him (he acknowledged his request related to the gossip). As for appropriateness, my supervisor had noted in her evaluations that I dressed appropriately and professionally. Being singled out and advised to wear a large sweater over professional clothes is not appropriate; clearly, trying to get rid of someone because of gossip about them by others is not appropriate. You've inserted your own degrading assumptions about inappropriate and provocative attire. Distracting seems to be your own word as well. What do you think the youth were being distracted from? They were generally polite and focused well on assessments and interventions.
I already did actually, when SirDent gave evidence of you accusing Cat of being provocative, or at the very least using the word.
This whole ridiculous conversation. You wouldn't feel the need to defend yourself had you not brought up some of these subjects in the first place.
Convenient way for my testimony to be silenced. But I will not be silenced - I'll give the testimony I have to give.
Of course you will. This is why you started this thread about your chest size after all.
Did you get the attention you crave?
Yes, I started this thread about my chest. You can see it right there in the title and beginning post, can't you?
Stop talking about it. No one has given this more attention than you. Enough already.
Really? No one? You sure about that?
Still - I agree with your point about your religion always causing conflicts that you made earlier.
The testimony about a lawsuit? The testimony about your bras size? What?
I do like Emile, whether or not she would call me a friend, I don't know. In fact, we are strangers. I did not take sides on this matter at all. I did not go back and read the issue, b/c there is ALWAYS an issue. My point wasn't that you did anything wrong, my point wasn't that you didn't have a right to defend yourself. My point was just... think about it. Are you defending yourself to ANYONE on the forum that you aren't always having to defend yourself too? No. My point is it has nothing to do with any wrong doing of yours and everything to do with Unbelievers vs. Believers... just as it does everyday. (Same as it ever was.) We will always have something to disagree on and some will actually say you've done something wrong, no matter what you've done, just b/c you are a believer. (This was a fact that became obvious to me when a certain poster accused Mother Teresa of all sorts of foul play.)
I have read today's accusations. Did you dress appropriately for your job? Then you've done nothing wrong and we all know that. I am not joining this argument b/c my whole point is that this daily negativity serves no positive purpose and I wish better for each of us. Peace to you!!!
Sexual harassment is certainly bad and illegal.
Cant really say I can let it slide when it is implied that I support sexual harassment though (based off of nothing) and am thought to have said something degrading (based off of something that was about both sexes), only to have it not backed up and completely ignored.
I personally like this mashup cover of Frozen better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoBELyv9cgk
Do you support sexual harassment? No? Then let it go. They're just words, what can they do ya?
Disagree. People should be honest. When they are not they should be given the opportunity to correct the problem. If they don't, it should not be glossed over.
Ive allowed myself to be misunderstood more times than I can count. Why do you think ppl hate me so much? Eh... life's too short in my book. But we're all different.
I tend to be a tad hard headed when things are implied or claimed with no factual basis and are then used against me in a passive aggressive way.
Character flaw I guess.
Don't sweat it Link guy, we're all human. Im gonna go listen to your remix version now.
Link: I meant what I said about you generally seeming like a nice guy. Because you seemed to be teetering a little, I asked you to be cautious about attitudes that promote sexual harassment. Even small, teetering comments like those related to kids requesting hot therapists, chest size not causing harassment (when the alternative was one saying it was my manner of dress, rather than body shape). I wasn't trying to offend you and I apologize that I did. Your concern here actually says a very good thing about you - that you do care about doing and saying the right thing.
1. No where did I say anything about kids requesting hot therapists. What I said is that girls could respond equally well to a hot guy therapist than a boy would respond to a hot woman therapist with assets, which was in response to Cgenaea's comment about the effectiveness of woman therapists with assets.
2. Chest size has nothing to do with harassment. I highly doubt chest size has been a factor in cases where preteen girls are touched and raped. Rad man is correct, just because one dresses professionally doesn't mean it is appropriate attire. If there were issues regarding your body, which you obviously cannot change, you should have covered up more or found another job. Thats common sense. I dont see how you view that as pinning the blame completely on you and somehow supporting sexual harassment when you know your large chest size can be viewed as a distraction, especially in a place that is filled with troubled and most likely hormonallly charged youths.
It was your choice to remain there, which is the choice that led to everything happening afterwards. If you really want to twist words, I could say that you support sexual harassment because you stayed at a place where it was clearly evident. Of course, I doubt that would be a fair assessment of things.
Link: Now you're more than teetering, you're actually saying that because of my body type, I should have found a different job.
Detention was my calling, which I knew long before working there. During graduate school, I planned to work in detention and eventually hoped to open a crisis youth shelter. God paved the way for me to obtain the position straight out of graduate school, the Spirit gave me complete confidence in his will for me to be there, and I fulfilled his will for me while there.
A large chest on a thin body is pretty hard to disguise, but I ensured I dressed appropriately and NEVER had cleavage showing (which many others there did). You are mistaken if you think that a large chest does not increase the chances of sexual harassment (though yes anyone, including men, can be a victim).
Edit: Btw, the courts do not hold your view that if you have a particular body type and are harassed, you should find another position or you are responsible for your harassment. Please take a sexual harassment course.
Please take a basic reading comprehension course, since you seem incapable of understanding anything that is said to you. This topic is done, enjoy your large bust size that was given by god, who directed you to a place that he knew you would be harassed for it, so you could then sue them for a large sum of money. Obiously he had less important things to do at the time.
The drivel was interesting at first, but now I am legitimately getting pissed off. Time to talk about something else it seems, preferably more on topic.
God directed me to a place where I would be a light in darkness. He fulfills the plans and purposes for his children. Hard times will come, no matter the mission field. In the strength and ability God gave, I fulfilled my purposes while there for a decade. I was then used of God to bring to light a great deal of harassment, corruption and deceit. He gives good things to those whose trust is in him.
The mirror is scripture. Many would do well to focus there, without the gavel.
The book is not praised, but seen as guidance for one who desires Christ.
Even Christ was judged. He promised that I would be.
Beth, your request for harmony is certainly admirable, but how can two walk together, lest they agree???
My yea doth not mix with the nay. It's obvious...
We can probably have great discussions about Niagra Falls though.
Though it pains me, cause I know we have bigger fish...
The Falls fall really PRETTY and it has rocks!
If you were standing in front of the magnificence of those Falls right now... those Falls that God created, in all their splendor... would you give God glory and love your fellow man or would you bicker over bras and the like? Those Falls are out there whether you can see them or not. Babies are being born and cancers are being cured and miracles are happening in our very own lives, even when we don't see them and above and beyond all that we have been offered forgiveness by a God we have wronged as we have chosen sin over righteousness over and over and over again.
Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.
Say, "I love you" CG, and move on.
I have been so guilty of this so many times-ignoring the beauty and grace and wonder, even in my own life, to focus on the minuscule details over which -I- think I have control. And I've done it with you, Beth, and I want to offer sincere apologies to you for any time that's been the case. I'm sorry. Let's think about and focus on all those wonderful and positive things...love each other in all our craziness and brokenness and in all those moments when we disagree and move on.
THANK YOU for the perspective.
That is cheating, Beth. You just wrapped it right back around to "your ridiculous scriptures about your ridiculous God who is just ridiculous in all ridiculousness. And mean!!! He's mean too! He let's children die starving and he pulls the wings off beautiful butterflies! So there! "
I love you! Uh... I'm still here...where do I move to?
I really want to hear what you think "move on" looks like.
We don't have to agree, to love.
We don't have to be on the same page, every time we say good night.
And most of all, we don't... we can't always be right, or prove that we're right.
So we say our piece and we don't burn the bridge in order to be right - or there may be no way to get back to that person again.
Im not picking on you... Im really not. You're just the only one here and I probably chased everyone else off, and I do apologize for that.
This is just where my heart is tonight so I thank you for allowing me to speak it.
I gotta hit the sack... Im not even tired, but tomorrow's a big day.
Night CG, God be with you til we meet again.
I understand. Thanks. It sometimes seems as though a voice cries, "let it go already!" From time to time. I know that I ten to be the last one standing, my insomnia's just worse than most.
Burning bridges is often necessary though. I only have an ear for a season. The planting gets done. I have no qualms regarding harmony and togetherness, it is or it isn't. Opposition is everywhere. I say as I am given... the chips fall where they may...
Sounds exactly like the comment Rad uttered just before all this...
Please learn appropriate behavior when dealing with adults who are automatically assumed to be on an even keel as thyself.
I say "looking too good" was sarcasm. But every soul here, knows. I think. Why the ride??? Maybe it's fun. Maybe we missed our cue to scream, WEEEEEE!!!
You havn fun Cat333? On three...
Oh!!! You had the gall to give God some glory for your victory... THAT'S the high-place powers problem.
We forgot all about the victory in Christ Jesus and "focused" elsewhere...
How silly of me to be confused before... Textbook, glory-stealing; dream-killing; powers, trying to dull God's shine.
No liar will prosper.
I think this calls for one of my favorites, Cat. You ready to celebrate???
2 Cor 4 Therefore, since through God’s mercy we have this ministry, we do not lose heart. 2 Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways;we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to everyone’s conscience in the sight of God. 3 And even if our gospel is veiled,it is veiled to those who are perishing.4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5 For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servantsfor Jesus’ sake. 6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,”[a]made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of Christ.7 But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us.8 We are hard pressed on every side,but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair; 9 persecuted, but not abandoned; struck down, but not destroyed. 10 We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body. 11 For we who are alive are always being given over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that his life may also be revealed in our mortal body.12 So then, death is at work in us, but life is at work in you.
Let the praise begin!!!
The focus of this conversation was to be prayer.
As always, the very ones who consider prayer a joke, show up soon.
Do we then change the focus to The Falls so that we may appease the soul come to insert their views of God (not real and NOT represented correctly in scripture).
Do we bow to misrepresented facts? Are we then Christian-bound to uproot, to keep the peace?
For Beth and I, we may disagree amicably. We do agree on God. He taught us how to forgive and keep peace with fellows. Did he give us instruct