Do You Find It Logical That Jesus Wanted Judas To Betray Him - According To Gospel Of Judas?
Someone had to betray Jesus in order that the Old Testament might be fulfilled. If it weren't Judas, it would have been someone else, but SOMEONE had to do it or He wouldn't have been crucified, resurrected or ascended into Heaven.
"Jesus Wanted Judas To Betray Him " ...i think the question is wrong.Jesus knows that Judas will betray him...but not wanted Judas to betray him
Remember his prayer in betsemem before Judas betrayed him
Jesus lay his life down to be the sacrifice for all humanity, so he had to be betrayed by a man, and it so happens it had to be Judas and Jesus being God knew it would take place, because Satan had entered him Judas. Satan had tried through history to kill Gods chosen blood line to stop Jesus being born, and when they Crucified Jesus, Satan thought he had achieved this, but Jesus was resurrected, and Satan and Death defeated, for all man kind.
Jesus knew he would be betrayed by Judas, but can you imagine washing his feet and knowing this?
Do you find it logical that believers get offended by real logic=)
My Dear Sweet Friends,
Offence must come, but woe unto him by which it comest. Truly, there exist both a creative as well as a destructive force in the universe. That destructive is most often attributed unto AnitChrist, jus as often life unto Christ.
Equal forces negate one another, yet, when offence come who canst tell whether of life or death, or equally of both.
Judas' actions were a result of his own greed and agenda. And, he reaped that which he sowed, death.
The gospel of Judas? I don't remember that book being in any Bible I ever read. The canon is the canon. God's word does not change and man plays a dangerous game by attempting to add to it or take from it.
The Disciples are Angry (34,18-35,21)- Gospel According to Judas
Jesus recognized that they did not [understand, and he said] to them, "Why has your conceren produced this hostility? Your god who is within you and [his powers] have become angry... read more
The Gospel of Judas was found in 1945 right near the Nile River by an Egyptian peasant. "Iranaeus of Lyon(Against Heresies) denounced the Gospel of Judas around 180 as a text read by people he called Gnostics-Marvin Meyer, Nag Hammadi Scriptures, Pg754) So 180 years after the death of Christ this Gospel was not accepted as were many, The Gospel of Philip, and The Secret Book of John and the Revelation of Peter. According to the Gospel of Judas the disciples respond to Jesus while they are having a celebrating feast. "The disciples said to him, "Master, you are...the son of our god?" Jesus said to them, "How is it that you know me? I tell you the truth, no generation will know me amoung the people who are with you." Jesus pretty much says no not the god they worship, not the First Testament God. Here is another interesting part where Jesus seems to predict the future, and why wouldn't he if he he could walk on water and heal. "Jesus said to them, "Why are you upset? I tell you the truth, all the priests who stand at the altar call upon my name. I tell you again, my name has been written on ....of the generations of the stars through the generations of people. They have planted trees in my name, without fruit, in a shameful way." It is all very mysterious and complex.
Do you find it logical that any God worth the capital "G" would want or need anyone to be sacrificed for Him/Her? To what end? For what purpose? Especially His only Son.
What God would sanction such torment as Jesus endured, or allow someone to feel guilt, such as Judas was set-up to feel, if Jesus had truly asked Judas to betray Him, and then not tell anyone about this little arrangement.
I don't think anyone was thinking logically at all, on either side of the Great Divide. And I don't think Jesus had the direct line to his Father that He thought that he had.
No Dad treats his kid like that, for any reason. If we know that, so does a real and rational God.
Now demons on the other hand...
Yes and very logical, someone had to do it; have you ever read where the LORD needed a lying spirit to do a job for HIM and HE allowed this spirit to go, look in 1Kings 22 verses 19-22.
The LORD said that HE created everything some for honor and some for dishonor, but all where made to do HIS pleasure!
well if you are familiar with the bible as well as this specific situation, whether logical or not, it was destined for Judas to play his position in that predicament. How else would have things fallen into it's place. In this case Judas was a mere tool used for a Divine Assignment. I believe Jesus knew Judas specs as knew what he was capable of, which made him the perfect candidate for the "Assignment"!
Vonda G. Nelson
As unpopular as it may be, I must first disagree with the premise of the question. In answering the question the way it is written, one would have to focus on the phrase, "Do you find it logical". Therefore, I will instead focus on the bigger issue...should we give the same degree of consideration and adherence to a book like "The Gospel of Judas" as we do the Holy Scriptures? My simple answer is no. There is a reason why those who hold to orthodox belief in Christianity are so diligent in their defense of the authority and exclusivity of the Bible. Gnostic gospels like "The Gospel of Judas" have never been considered authoritative in orthodox Christianity. Furthermore, according to the Bible, Jesus was grieved by the wickedness that he knew was lurking in Judas’ heart. He said it would have been better that the betrayer had never been born (Matt. 26:20-25, Mark 14:17-21, Luke 22:20-23). According to Luke 22:1-6 and John 13:27, Satan entered Judas and worked through him. From the Last Supper, Judas slipped into the night to betray the Master (John 13:21-30). In addition, when Jesus is praying in the Garden, just before His betrayal, He tells His disciples that His soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death (Matt. 26:36-42, Mark 14:32-36). In Luke 22:44, we are told that Jesus was in such agony when He prayed that his sweat was like “great drops of blood” falling to the ground. And when Judas came with the chief priests and guards and approached Jesus to kiss Him, Jesus, amazed by Judas’ audacity, asked him if he was betraying Him with a kiss (Luke 22:48). This does not sound like someone who would have looked forward to, or arranged, his own death.
OMG I can't believe some of the circular logic being used here by biblical defenders..
"Someone had to betray Jesus in order that the Old Testament might be fulfilled." - MacBeth25
"The canon is the canon. God's word does not change and man plays a dangerous game by attempting to add to it or take from it." - OliverTwisted.
Circular logic is endemic in biblical literalism....
"The bible is the inspired word of God."
"How do you know?"
"It says so in the bible."
Oh and OliverTwisted I can give you one very clear example of how God's word does change in the accepted Cannon. Mosaic Law says "an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth" (Leviticus 24:19–21, Exodus 21:22–25, and Deuteronomy 19:21) . Jesus proceeded to supersede that with "turn the other cheek" (Matthew 5:38–39).
According to believers, Mosaic Law was God's law, Jesus was God incarnate. God therefore changed his mind.
jesus picked a man who just would not "get it". Judas. He never had anything positive to say, when he did say something he complained. the other disciples never asked advice of him, im just trying to paint a picture of judas that says he was a bad egg, bad to the core, selfish, greedy of money, etc.. Jesus picked him not to have gods power influence judas to be bad but because judas was bad. The main reason jesus picked judas was because god needed to be betrayed at a certain time, before the preparation day before the sabbath and early in the morning because he had to be buried before the sabbath at 6pm. So you might say jesus kept his enemy closer.
The Gospel of Judas is a Gnostic gospel purported to document conversations between the apostle Judas Iscariot and Jesus Christ. It is not a canonized book of the bible and therefore cannot be used as doctrinal evidence. Forget that book and glean no facts from it. Thats like using the book of enoch to say angels mated with humans lol. which is impossible because angels dont have testacles full of angel sperm, but i digress
I'm not sure why Judas betrayed Jesus? If this was prophecied then I guess it would have to be. The Roman soldiers were looking for Jesus a long time before Judas betrayed him and so I'm thinking maybe Judas didn't have to betray Jesus but because of this one act his name is mud through history, no one wants the label that has been place on Judas.
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