Since the very word 'Christian' was first used in Antioch in the early Church days to describe the apostles and early disciples who's very life and character was a clone-reflection of Christ's character - in meekness, gentleness, non-discriminatory, and compassionate. They saw these virtues in them and could only describe it as 'Christ-like' or Christian. That being the case, is Christianity or living like Christ a religion, or is it simply a kind of life. A lifestyle?
Well, one the one hand. It is a religion. It fits the profile of a belief system filled with rituals and "guild lines" that are expected to be followed.
On the other hand, it is a way of life because people when people are very passionate about their religion then religion is their way of life.
I think, basic human principals and a peaceful way of life are overlooked because some people find that through religion, they have had better lives and since it worked for them it starts to becomes a burden to others when they are told that even though they live happy lives and are good natured people that they are somehow wrong.
In the book of Habukkuk (I hope I spelled that right) the person who wrote the letter states in short.
The man who throws his net out in the water and catches many fish worships the net because in the mans eye, the net is what brought them their fish.
But the man was clearly distressed because he worshiped to his god and prayed to his god and received no help. Much like many people still do today. Asking, why doesn't god help?
So the important lesson that I took from the story was that making assumptions that a "thing" will bring you good fortune is a disaster.
It is the effort, the god in man, who puts forth the effort that catches the fish. Obviously in the story there was more to it. But in essence, the same thing happens today with fundamentals.
If something brings you joy, luck or sustenance, man tends to believe in whatever it was that brought them their luck at the time and in some ways becomes superstitious or ritualistic because they don't want the good fortune to go away.
But I believe what happens is that, when people start to do this, they start to turn away from themselves and rely on things that never did bring them luck or joy but it was always within man to begin with.
When you forget that and start convincing yourself that god or the gods are angry with you or you did something wrong because something unfortunate happened you want to get it back but never look back into themselves which is where it came from in the first place.
Was Peter a Christ-clone? What would Ananias and Saphira have to say about that? Compassionate???
I said in Antioch they noticed that the disciples acted like Christ. The people noticed this, and they were the ones that gave them the name - Christians, Christ-like.
I know that's what you said. But "People" were wrong if they believed the execution of Ananias and Saphira was a Christ-like act of the Apostle Peter.
But what you seem to miss Paraglider is that Peter did not kill them. (Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
Act 5:5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.)
Peter discerned that they lied abd said so. when they heard those words that Peter spoke they fell dead. Jesus went about doing good everywhere He went. He also discerned the thoughts and actions of those around Him.
I missed nothing, Sir D. The NT has Jesus saving and forgiving sinners (albeit with the injunction not to sin again). Peter simply condemns. And they fall down dead. Killed by? Peter? Holy Ghost? Their own guilt?
Either way, your mate Peter comes a cross as a bit of a bungler.
Now, I don't believe the story true. But you do, so you should really have a better explanation of it
All i have to say is that Christianity USED to be a religion.
It wasn't until I found all of these conflicting verses in the Bible that it didnt take rocket science to know it's not Holy. And truly, anything that's not holy is not god's word.That's not the only reason why either. I dont have enough space to tell you all the reasons why . And im not going to either. Even if i did provide all the information in the world, no one would listen , and im surely not about to start. Oh, yeah , just to clarify, Jesus was a prophet, a man. And he did not die on the cross.You can't die for someone else's sins either. Even the "Holy" bible says it. Not all the scriptures were burned.He never told you to call him god either.
I honestly doubt the bible is the word of god. Not just me, but im speaking for the millions of others who do too. Im not trying to make you angry. The truth hurts, dont it? (for you i mean.)
that brudda jesus christ got 'Fired up' a few times..so he wasnt a saint all the time therefore was born human.had human emotions!
Christianity is really what? A group of Religous people who have used Christ's name in there effort to gain favour to the gateway of heaven!
What is religion? A group of people who project there beliefs into the community based on fear of mortality,who build an empire of wealth based on peoples fear and ignorance, &'look down' at other beliefs if it does'nt fit into there own Cuckoo-clock!
Christianity is not a religion but a way of life in which people who believe in Jesus Christ, God the Father and the Holy Spirit have a relationship with all three and live their lives by the Word of God. Religion is binding ... Real Christianity is not about rules and regulations but a relationship in which you are changed through an exciting, transforming, redeeming love.
I like you Precious. I agree with this 100%.
Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. Whom the Son has set free is free indeed.
Any time it's followers feel the need to preach meaningless platitudes at you every time the subject comes up, rather than answer the question, I am going with christianity being a religion.
If you were to read back up to my comments here, you will notice that I did not say it wasn't a religion. All religions are also lifestyles because people live their lives according to their beliefs. Even atheists live according to their beliefs or lack of beliefs.
As far as preaching goes, God will use the foolishness of preaching to confound the wise. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.
Like I said - it is a religion. And I think you missed the point the OP was making.
If "christians" lived their lives following the teachings of christ rather than coming across as judgmental hypocrites intent on spreading the word, I would have a much different opinion of their religion.
Big difference. Huge even. So huge, it makes one realize the truth.
Jesus made judgments many times in the New Testament. Do you want examples?
I see. and no, I do not want examples of christ judging. I am well aware that you think that is what christianity is all about - judging.
No doubt over here.
Christianity is so much more than you even know. it is more about a revelation of Jesus Christ through the Holy Ghost. Until that revelation is made to you personally, you cannot really know who Jesus is.
That is where you are wrong. This is the problem with blindly following a doctrine. I know who jesus was, and he ain't the guy you are in love with.
You do not even understand the basics of your belief system. All you can do is parrot things like this - which if you think about it - mean nothing.
If you did, you would not write the type of things you do.
I bet not believers are the one who are not sure about wahat they believe
If you were working on a math problem for hours and finally got the answer, do you keep working on it even though you have the answer? It is like searching for something you found already.
I found the key to life. I will not search for this key anymore.
EDIT: I will not post anymore here for a while so everyone can take their time if they want. Will see you all later.
Hey Mark, (and I include myself in this). Christianity would be great if it weren't for the people.
Exactly, we are free in Him not bound. Amen!
I think you have made an excellent point. Christ really didn't have any doctrine. He never renounced being a Jew. He just told everyone to follow their heart and be kind to others. Paul, sort of, turned his teachings into doctrine, but Jesus never did.
I could not agree more. Some of Paul's teachings about women are a little problematic in my mind.
The problem I have with Paul is that his teachings were not based on the actual word of Christ, but on his own beliefs.
Paul was guided by the spirit, God always use our minds... and satan can also use others
C'mon girls, give the apostle a break. I happen to admire the guy. He never imposed any of those things on woman. In fact, Paul would always say that his instructions were not absolute. He only spoke as was suitable to the people. 1 Cor 7.6
In all honesty, Paul was the one who changed Christ into a religious leader and Christianity into a religion. If you don't believe Christianity should be a religion, you only have Paul to blame. However, Christ did talk about "my church", so that could be a giveaway for what was to come... considering I understand the translation correctly.
Christianity is a way of life which leads to greater life
NO NO NO, its the people who have neva seen the light who judge us
we christians are always cool. Very soon i will send all my theist and atheist friends a video and after that, i know all will be converted
How many times did Jesus discern whete people were thinking? Didn't Jesus say to Peter, "Get behind me Satan!"? Did He not say that the world is condemned already? John 3:18-20
How many cans of these same worms do we have in stock at Hub Pages?
Oh well. Protein is protein...
Seems to be a never ending supply......
Although - as I mentioned to some one earlier - The amount of "unconditional love," "respect for others beliefs," and "open mindedness," is starting to get me down, so I think it is time for a vacation from these forums.
LOL! Sarcasm, right?
(Hey am I quick or what?)
Seriously, it's been unusually unpleasant at HP of late, not just in the forums either. Maybe we could all use a vacation.
You got it. LOL
Everyone is under pressure, and I rather think that the way some believers deal with it is in this way. Push harder - it is for their own good. That way you do not look at your own mess in the back yard.
Me - I do not seem to be any more or less obnoxious than usual, but certainly more susceptible to being belittled. Which is what they excel at. So - time for a break.
I think he does fiery. I am just about "loved out" too.
No! Not you, too. First Cabin girl leaves. Then bc. Now Mark and Ernest are leaving the forums. What's going on here, people!!! What's the epidemic???
I guess this is what we call, Christian Brotherly LOVE!
I know I'm as guilty as anybody, but something I learned from these TERRIFIC Hubbers, is that I was the one not walking in the fellowship of Christ. ME! See, they don't have too, and we as Christians ARE TO LOVE them anyways, embrace them as our companions in life, and love them for who and what they are. That is the TRUE Christian spirit, and the true bloodline to Christ. Since they don't believe, they aren't beholden to something other than themselves. And if you really look deeply into this conflict, you'll see that 9x's out of the 10, these non-believers represented Christ-like behavior, better than we!
Christians, YOUR job as a lover, follower, and disciple of Jesus Christ is to embrace our challenges, and our opposition in brotherly love. We are suppose to lead by example. Christ was tortured, his skin torn to threads, tissue hanging off his body, thorns pushed deeply into his skull, and yet.........
He turned the other cheek, saved those he could, love them even though he was hated. He REPRESENTED! None of us Christians, who participate in this forum is a beaming light of true brotherly love. I hope Mark, and others like him read this. Whether they stay or go, the damage has been done. And shame on US! NOT THEM!!! We are the cowards, who could not do what was right by them.
You see, WE are to face the deepest depths of challenges with dignity, respect, and most importantly love. And we haven't. I've stayed away from this forum for the most part since my irrational outbreak like 7 months ago, because I knew I didn't have enough of God's grace inside me to embark on another adventure with Mark Knowles, and others like him. I couldn't. I could not respectfully handle; certain insults, altercations, or VIEWPOINTS (because that is ALL they really are). I'm not Christ, and could not do my faith justices, by "hating" them back or getting even. When someone has the capabilities to push you to the point of sheer ignorance, like Mark, Pam, LG, etc... could concerning myself, I realize that instead of bashing them- the best thing I could do was learn from them. There opposition, and directness was exactly what I needed. It was a way of reminding me of what it means to be a Christian. Maybe Christ's way even!
Now, I know that many of you Christians believe like I do- that God's "Will" can be shown in many different packages and ways. Have you ever stopped to think, that maybe GOD was trying to teach YOU what it means to be a true follower of Christ? We are taught that God, or Christ can come to us in any moment, and in many different "lights." So maybe God was testing me. How do YOU know he wasn't testing YOU???
Now I know all Christians have heard that one before- "testing". Well, I think I flunked that test. But boy did I learn from it. Now- if any of you has "that" direct link of God's, so precisely pinpointed that YOU know HOW he is planning on testing you next; I'll buy it from you. Because there IS NOWAY of KNOWING when and HOW our testaments come.
It is the job of all Christians, to lead by example and prove to them grace of God and Jesus Christ is REAL, through OUR actions as lovers of Christ. Shame on US, shame on ME and shame on YOU! Turn the other cheek! Love thy neighbor! Ever heard those words put together before? As a TRUE Christian, YOU know YOU have! Then.... why are they leaving, if every Christian in here has been behaving correctly?
Our Christian excuses, to justify our poor behavior is a poor excuse of covering our own selfness, and degrees of ignorance towards the GOD we worship. And if you think you weren't one of the "ones", you are mistaken. We are all guilty in the eyes of Christ. We are a fellowship of lovers remember. A fellowship in his likeness.
Maybe instead of always asking Christ for forgiveness, maybe we should be asking our opposition for some forgiveness as well. Thank You- Julie
You know I actually still consider myself a Christian because I admire certain parts of the Bible, but I would not want to hang out in many churches. There are a few open minded churches with people are really kind and generous, but the majority are just judgmental. One friend's parents went to church for years, but everyone spoke badly towards them because they refused to get married. However, many people in that church got married and divorced repeatedly, but her parents are still together.
Another friend is actually what I would consider to be a very devout Christian, but her ex made sure she felt bad all the time. He used to question her about the Bible, and finally broke up with her because he said she was not "Christian" enough for him. Interestingly this did not stop him from hooking up with another girl two weeks later, and both of them work at a Christian camp.
I think the problem here is that we have one word - "Christianity" - and at least two different phenomena. The spiritual/philosophical approach, and the organisation which grew up ostensibly to promote it, but actually devolved, as they all do, to promoting itself instead.
It's similar to "marriage", which means both the loving lifelong commitment for better or for worse, and the social-legal construct that binds people in limiting and unloving situations as often - or more often - then it acknowledges a genuine commitment to mutual lifelong support.
In both cases, we end up in a situation where someone who genuinely lives the original principle (whether "Christian" or "marriage") is told by the organisational police that they don't belong in the institution because they don't fit some arbitrary criterion that some person developed later, and justified post hoc.
In the case of Christianity, there are atheists, Buddhists, and "New Agers" who are more Christ-like than most baptised, born again and otherwise sanctified Christians. And in the case of marriage, there are same-sex, transgendered, and multi-lateral partnerships that are more loving and mutually supportive than most legally sanctioned marriages.
My husband an I were legally wed a long time after we got philosophically/emotionally/commitment-wise "married". And we only did the legally thing for the sake of the conservative relatives, really, We didn't feel it was necessary.
Likewise, many good Christians don't feel attending a organised church is necessary.
So you really need to specify the way in which you are using the word ...
It is only an extremely secularized society that makes any distinction between religion and way of life. To the observant member of any religion, there is no difference.
True Christiantiy about faith in Christ,s burial, death and resurrection. Christ,s teachings give two of the most commandments, Love God with all you being and second love thy neighbor. Christ main concern wasn,t praticing a religion, but a personal relationship with a Living God. Living a Christian life isn,t about religion. True Christians serve Christ because they love and adore him. God wants to fellowship with his creation through relationship not religion. I didn,t believe ,or put my trust in religion only on Christ. Christ will never forsake me.
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You are a true hero.
May many others, Christian or any other religion, atheist or agnostic, follow your fine example.
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