How about a Real Invitation to Jesus for a Change

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glendoncabaposted 15 years ago
We have argued back and forth about the merits or demerits of sharing the Christian gospel on this forum. Someone even started a thread in an effort to prove me wrong when i said that a VOCAL MAJORITY opposed the idea of quoting bible etc.

So if you dont want to hear about bible and Jesus read no further. This thread is an unapologetic invitation to Jesus Christ. If you stay to read then you have given me permission to share the message of the Bible with you.

I am busy right now so i will just throw it out that Jesus is the solution to the problems of the world. He offers an invitation of love and life. And I propose to lay out a simple invitation to salvation i Jesus. Please dont post ridicule or sarcasm about jesus. Wait for the gospel.

I will try to be very inclusive.
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  Scott.Lifeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It was me I did it, I apologize everyone for bringing this on you, I had thought we would all move on by now and get on with our lives but I was wrong. But I always take time to read the bible and think about Jesus so if that is what you're really after here OP then I will gladly listen.
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  glendoncabaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Dont be so apologetic scott. You have given me the courage to stand up for what i believe. I had retreated from strong witnessing because i came to the conclusion that scripture was very offensive to many of my fellow hubbers. And unlike your first impression of me I am more of a people pleaser than a warrior. I might have retreated from the field of battle too readily. Maybe I was too much of a coward (or too much of a pacifist). So this thread may very well prove that if i can do it more inclusively, the people who normally turn up to ridicule etc might just play ball.
  
  So instead of a mutual continuous explanation thing, let's assume that I had stopped my witnessing and I was wrong. Some military experience would have helped
  
  Join me as a fellow believer and begin with this text:
  
  Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
  11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
  11:30 For my yoke [is] easy, and my burden is light.
  
  Let us consider the
  
  1. Blessed invitation.
  2. His blessed yoke.
  3. The invitation to the rest in Jesus.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There is nothing wrong to invite people to Jesus. Jesus said go to the end of the world and make disciples... Yes, only Holy Spirit can bring people to Father. Or effort is not guarantee result. Still we have to speak the Word.
  I do not believe to invite Jesus and ask Jesus "coming to my heart". That's not biblical. But making Jesus Lord and believe Jesus was raised from the dead is OK.
  I do not understand why here is any argument.
  Invitation is OK, and it is up to HS to do rest.
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  Gabriel Wilsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  yes2truthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Only one problem, no man has the authority to invite anyone to Christ - only The Father can do that, not you, nor that mongrel dog in Rome, or anyone else.
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  glendoncabaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, Son of the Living God I join with the believers and angels in declaring the written word. It is written:
  
  Romans 10:14 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
  10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
  10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
  10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
  10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
  
  Tell me How shall they hear without a preacher?
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  yes2truthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Like this:
  
  1 John 2:27 (KJV) But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
  
  You see Mr Caba you really are Biblically ignorant as well as Spiritually blind.
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And you don't think that the early Catholic Church of the first century had the guidance of the Holy Ghost? If not when do you think the Holy Ghost started to work?
  
  My Bible has "you have no need" in 1 John 2:27 instead of "ye need not". There is also this commentary on those words.
  
  "You have no need"... You want not to be taught by any of these men, who, under pretence of imparting more knowledge to you, seek to seduce you (ver. 26), since you are sufficiently taught already, and have all knowledge and grace in the church, with the unction of the Holy Ghost; which these new teachers have no share in.
  
  Which begs the question, if the early church had the knowledge of the truth from the Holy Ghost then why is there so many other "truths" these days.
  
  But all this aside yes2truth, you are missing the point entirely. We are to spread the Word to all peoples and nations. That is glendoncaba's argument, which is right.
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  glendoncabaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You have selected a text that goes against your point. John is warning the church against antichrist. He even reminds them of what they were already taught (v.24).
  
  This is so very easy to answer. Go to same writer in 1 John 1:3 "We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you may have fellowship with us."
  
  The early church was well taught.
  
  The text you quoted was a warning to reject heresy, and credits Holy Spirit for inspiring doctrines already taught.
  
  You do the math. Reconcile the two texts. By placing them both within the general theme of the bible. For right through bible God uses prophets and preachers to teach people. So pulling a single text must show the context of that verse.
  
  Any Sunday School/Sabbath School student could remind you how to read bible in context. C'mon stop it man. Start a thread on your pet doctrine and if your language is polite I might drop in to share a few things. But go quietly please.
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  yes2truthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This verse stands alone just, like Romans 11:26, for the context does not change its meaning. Not all Holy Scriptures need context and nowhere have I said that they do. All I have done is reveal passages that do need context.
  
  All you are doing here is confirming your Spiritual Blindness. You are a man with intellectual head knowledge only of The Holy Scriptures - a blind guide. You read The Bible like a text book just as those Greeks would have done in Acts 17.
  
  Anyway, I thought you were finished here?
  
  Obviously not a man of his word either!! Let your yes be yes and your no be no!! I wonder if he'll understand this Scripture or explain it away like he does all the others??
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yes2truthposted 14 years ago
"He offers an invitation of love and life."

Would you care to show me in the Holy Scriptures where it says The Lord offers an invitation of love and and life?

"And I propose to lay out a simple invitation to salvation i Jesus."

Do you actually know how a human being is brought to salvation and would you care to show me where in Holy Scriptures you were given the remit to invite people to salvation?
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  Daniel Carterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  With all due respect, yes2truth, you must have overlooked those scriptures. They are there. (Invitation of love and life, invitation to salvation.) Several. No need to post them here. And since this thread is not about quoting endless scripture, perhaps a second look and you'll find them.
  
  And, glendoncaba, thanks for the invitation.
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  glendoncabaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Matt 28:19 "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations..."
  
  John 15:12 "My command is this: love each other as I have loved you".
  
  Deut 8:3 (also quoted in wilderness of temptation) "...man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord."
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Sanctus Vesaniaposted 14 years ago
No man can invite a person to salvation. The father leads Jesus Christ to the select chosen.
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What??? Where is that in scripture???
  Jesus lived, died and was resurrected for ALL to receive God Grace, His mercy, His forgiveness is for everyone, who will choose Him.
  Those who choose life over death.
  
  This is a free gift form God because he loves all of us! The invitation is open to everyone.
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  PirateGirlposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Glad to see you about Atomswifey, I just want to say sorry for my rudeness to you a few nights ago, you have your views and I was totally rude, so accept my apology !
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I accept pirate girl
  And thank you.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're as good as your word PG! I'm so pleased you extended your hand! You are a Lady!
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  Sanctus Vesaniaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What, you mean YOU can save me? That's one of the 'great' things about mainstream Christianity; they think they can save people; that it's them bringing souls to the Lord, and that God, nor Jesus Christ has anything to do with it.
  
  John 15:16
  
  16Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
  
  John 6:43-45 (King James Version)
  
  43Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
  
  44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
  
  45It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
  
  Yeah, still trying to find...
  
  Bullcrap 7:14
  
  14And Jesus said unto his disciples, "Go throughout the nations, and save as many souls as possible. For I and my father must rely on you. For whoever so win the most souls to I and my father will win a free HDTV, and a PS3."
  
  15And the people were confused, because they had no idea what the f**k an HDTV, nor PS3 was.
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  glendoncabaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  sure you dont want to delete the swearing and rethink the wording.
  
  trying to do a family rated discussion here.
  
  How about a gentle polite suggestion to the person you disagree with, instead of the swearing. I would love my son to read this with me. No swearing please.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I cannot believe what you are writing.
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  paulhvvposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Should God exist? Can he not speak? Let God defend himself. If you have the heart to listen? you will hear. Why? because truth is truth.
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  Daniel Carterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Um, well, I read that he invites all to come unto him. To me that would mean we are all chosen. It's just up to us whether or not we accept the invitation.
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yes2truthposted 14 years ago
"With all due respect, yes2truth, you must have overlooked those scriptures. They are there. (Invitation of love and life, invitation to salvation.) Several. No need to post them here. And since this thread is not about quoting endless scripture, perhaps a second look and you'll find them."

I don't think I have, so feel free to post one or two, just for the record - I enjoy a test.

As for this thread not being the appropriate place to post Holy Scripture, if it's not, then where would be the right place? At the top of the page it says Religion & Beliefs> Christianity> Protestant. If it said Papist I could understand, but not Bible thumping Protestantism surely!!
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  Daniel Carterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The recommendation was that we not bash each other with scripture. You can post if you want, I'm just trying to honor the request.
  
  I don't have an argument with you, I was only pointing out what I have personally learned. If you don't get the conclusion I get, then good for you for choosing the path you're on. I'm fine with that. I just find it odd you took exception from the get-go. But if that's what you need to do, by all means, you are free to do it.
  
  Best to you, regardless.
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yes2truthposted 14 years ago
"What??? Where is that in scripture???"

John 6:44 (KJV) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

"Jesus lived, died and was resurrected for ALL to receive God Grace, His mercy, His forgiveness is for everyone, who will choose Him."

Yes, for all, but not in this age.

"Those who choose life over death."

No one chooses anything until they are called. Mankind does not have freewill.

"This is a free gift form God because he loves all of us! The invitation is open to everyone."

Not so, read these verses slowly and take in what The Lord Himself was saying here:

Matt 13:10-16 (KJV) And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
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  glendoncabaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Of course it is Father who draws us through operation of Holy Spirit. An invitation stated by a human being does not contravene that. God uses people, dreams, Scripture, direct inspiration, nature...so many things to draw us to Jesus.
  
  God uses people to win people. Evangelism one of the gifts of spirit.
  
  Here is message for the present age:
  
  14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
  14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
  14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
  14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
  14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
  14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
  14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
  
  Note it is the "everlasting gospel" and it is preached to every nation. Faith in Jesus is at centre of everlasting gospel.
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  yes2truthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "Of course it is Father who draws us through operation of Holy Spirit. An invitation stated by a human being does not contravene that. God uses people, dreams, Scripture, direct inspiration, nature...so many things to draw us to Jesus."
  
  Wrong, this statement of yours is a contradiction in terms.
  
  If we preach the word to two people, one of whom The Father is calling, he or she will respond, the other one will not.
  
  Where was the human 'invitation' in this scenario?
  
  Matt 16:16-17 (KJV) And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
  
  If the Father is calling someone he or she will go out and buy a Bible and start learning.
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yes2truthposted 14 years ago
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
11:30 For my yoke [is] easy, and my burden is light.

None of this can occur until:

John 6:65 (KJV) And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
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glendoncabaposted 14 years ago
Running to do some real physical work for a few hours. God bless. See ya all later.
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yes2truthposted 14 years ago
"How about a gentle polite suggestion to the person you disagree with, instead of the swearing. I would love my son to read this with me. No swearing please."

How about you answer the comment instead of side stepping the issue with self-righteous excuses?
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  glendoncabaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Please. Please. I believe as the OP the most I could ask for is no expletives, bleeped or not.
  
  I waited before giving answer, so that others could continue.
  
  Very busy offline, but answers have been posted.
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Sanctus Vesaniaposted 14 years ago
what swearing? I censored it, did I not?
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atomswifeyposted 14 years ago
I believe it is this: that all have those ears and eyes. It is their choice to open and see or hear what the spirit says.
It is the willingness on the part of the individual to listen and open first their heart to receive it.

Jesus did not suffer for only a few but for all of mankind. His Word is given to all of mankind since it was with God from the beginning and will be forever as it is Jesus (the word).
Jesus is the living word. And He stands at the door and knocks. To whoever opens shall I come.

Whoever.

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved Romans 10:13

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

And who is so inclined to answer?
Those who have a willingness to open their hearts. Then the eyes are open and ears are given to hear His voice.

When Jesus spoke the scripture you quoted, he was speaking to and responding to the disciples about the parables he was teaching, not all in the crowd had those eyes or ears, as not all were willing to receive yet alone to understand and none had the gift of the Holy Spirit either.

Jesus had not yet paid the sacrifice nor given men the holy spirit by which we have understanding of the Holy Word and ears to hear His voice.

Up until that point man lived according to his own understanding. God gave man the choice in the garden. He chose His own understanding. God made a way for all men to come into His understanding through the sacrifice and redemption of sin in the sacrifice of Jesus.
"And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification." Romans 5:16

Jesus said he would leave us the holy spirit by which man comes to the understanding of God and His word. It is the willingness to open our hearts to the truth of the Holy Spirit not of our own understanding, but sacrificing it, that we come to know Christ.
As we deny ourselves.
And accept Him.
This is a gift for all who do that.
Because He loves all.
"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you". Matthew 7:7

Thats how I see it anyway.
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yes2truthposted 14 years ago
"I believe it is this:"

What you believe is error.

"That all have those ears and eyes."

The Lord in Matthew 13 does not say that. Why are you contradicting what the Holy Scriptures say. He came to call a few in this age. No one has ears or eyes unless The Father gives them the ears and eyes.

"It is their choice to open and see or hear what the spirit says."

Man has no choices when it comes to salvation. The Father calls and we say: "Here am I"

Just like Samuel:

1 Sam 3:4 (KJV) That the LORD called Samuel: and he answered, Here am I.

Mankind does not have freewill. Man and his supposed freewill is a myth.

"Jesus did not suffer for only a few but for all of mankind."

For all mankind but not all in this age. Only a few will be saved in this age.

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved Romans 10:13

No one can call on His name unless The Father prompts them and calls them first.

No one can 'accept' The Lord, for it is not up to us. Only The Father can call us to His Son.
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Holy Spirit came upon us when?
  I am not refuting the scriptures, only enlightening to the truth I see in them.
  
  The scripture you quoted in Matthew came before the sacrifice, before the Spirit of discernment into the understanding of them.
  
  Before the eyes were given, the ears for hearing. Until then man leaned unto his own understanding.
  God came to Him in the ways shown.
  God reconciled Himself to man.
  
  Remember what Jesus said when the pharisees questioned why he was eating with the sinners?
  "It is the sick in need of a doctor, not the healthy."
  
  Jesus taught in parables as that was how man through his limited understanding of scriptures, prior to being filled with Spirit that is, was only able to comprehend them through his own understanding. Leaning not on this "our own understanding is how we today, after the sacrifice and redemption of sin through Christ come to know Him.
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atomswifeyposted 14 years ago
I am come as a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. John 12:46
Jesus Himself points the way as it is a choice. (whoever believes, belief in Jesus is a choice)

or, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
Hmmm, everyone? yes everyone! Romans 10:13

Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind."
John 9:39
Here in this scripture Jesus is saying that those pharisees back then and people who did not have the Holy Spirit would not see even though they claimed to do so and it would be those who are blind, or did not believe in Him that would come to believe and have sight.

Now there are those which God has and will turn over to reprobate minds. God having taken those ears and eyes away.
Romans 1:28
"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.
How do you reconcile this scripture with not all of us having those eyes and ears then to begin with to be taken away, yesto truth?
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TMinutposted 14 years ago
At first this almost changed my mind:
Jesus had not yet paid the sacrifice nor given men the holy spirit by which we have understanding of the Holy Word and ears to hear His voice.

But so far, I don't see where everyone can come to the Father at this time. "Whoever believes in me..." sounds like it but it still says only those who have been called first CAN believe. Not all have been given the spirit after all. The sacrifice covers all but not all are yet changed, not all understand or even CAN, not until they're shown.

Of course, I'm no longer convinced of original sin since having my first son so very, very long ago. By the time he was two, I was actually looking through scripture to see if another holy-from-birth person was supposed to be coming (yes, it was terrifying, I'd worked in day cares, I had babysat, had my little brother and sister; this baby was NOTHING like any I'd ever seen before).

Makes me wonder if we're supposed to be looking more at Jesus's life than his death. "No man comes to the Father but by me," what does that really mean?! We think it's by claiming his death blood but it doesn't have to. It fits so many other meanings.
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is true that not all will be saved, I am not saying that. I am saying the invitation is open to all who choose to accept it.
  
  od chooses a person to receive eternal life only when he learns and accepts the truth, and repents. But how can he distinguish truth from error?
  
  The truth, Jesus explained, is what God reveals through His Word, the Bible.
  (John 17:17) To become acceptable to God, all must recognize and accept God's Word as the main source of truth.
  
  Our Creator "desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Timothy 2:1-4).
  
  The truth is there for all to read and yes understand, but to do this one must choose to be willing and an open vessel to that understanding.
  
  When Jesus says " many are called but few are chosen", we need to look at the whole parable to understand it.
  Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.
  “Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’
  “But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business. The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.
  “Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come. Go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.’ So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, both good and bad, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.
  “But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. ‘Friend,’ he asked, ‘how did you get in here without wedding clothes?’ The man was speechless.
  “Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
  “For many are invited, but few are chosen.”
  —Matthew 22:1-14
  
  Look at the context of this parable. At the wedding there was one not wearing shoes and he was let out. He was invited and yet He was not chosen to stay at the wedding. Just as there will be those who have not chosen the proper path, nor the truth who will not be properly "dressed" if you will then, when judgement comes so then God will choose whom to dismiss or not from the wedding. So to speak.
  
  All are invited.
  It is then only the ones who have not chosen life in the end that will not reap the rewards of eternal life with God.
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
All those who have not chosen life?

So those fellow Christians who do not follow your interpretation go to hell eh?

You should close your mouth and open your mind!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You don't have to worry about hell thats only a Baptist threat. You need to concern youself with the level of glory you can attain and your deeds and your heart are what matters.
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No earnest.
  It is not my interpretation of that it is yours or whoever makes a choice in that regard.
  
  God gives the choice earnest, not me. do you choose life or death? If you choose life you choose to believe in The Lord Jesus Christ who is life.
  If you choose death you choose to stay in your sin.
  
  The choice is sin or Jesus, bondage or freedom. There is no interpretation of that.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And you choose what choices there are from scripture to have no choice about, excluding all who disagree with you. .
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus< bondage
  non believe< freedom
  And I choose life. where is no sin nor Jesus
  And that's what I believe
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Tantrum? How is Jesus in your view equal to bondage?
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  because believing make you a slave. Doesn't Jesus always talked about his flock and his sheep? Don't you think a sheep is in bondage with his shepherd ?
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You asked for an answer. Here it is.
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus is referred to as the Lamb. He was a pure sacrifice for us.
  are there any other ways you can think of Jesus being equated to bondage?
  Seriously I really want to know what you think
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He asked his disciples to leave their parents and relatives behind. To follow him wherever he went. Isn't that bondage ?
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  no that was their choice,
  He asked remember
  come on tantrum you said it now back it
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry. English is not my language. I meant one of the things the disciples had to do in order to follow him was leave their relatives behind if they didn't want to follow him as well.
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  not true
  nobody who followed Jesus was forced to follow
  Him
  and ??? I am confused by the second part there,
  did you mean to say "leave their relatives behind if they didn't want to follow him as well."??
  thats uh
  not true
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's in the new testament. I don't have a bible with me, but I read the whole Bible twice , so I know is there. It's in Luke or Mark I think.
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  no its not tantrum
  nobody was ever forced to follow Jesus
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes they were, on threat of death.
  
  "Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a man 'against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one's enemies will be those of his household'". (Matthew 10:34-36 NAB).
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  cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus chose his disciples and because he was always on the move, so were they. they were "called" to follow him, and because they did they had to leave loved ones behind. nobody held a gun to their head but it was kind of unspoken that they had to do it...
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Some of it was spoken. He hand picked the saved, the rest???
  
  And when he [Jesus] was alone, those present along with the Twelve questioned him about the parables. He answered them, "The mystery of the kingdom of God has been granted to you. But to those outside everything comes in parables, so that 'they may look and see but not perceive, and hear and listen but not understand, in order that they may not be converted and be forgiven.'" (Mark 4:10-12 NAB)
  
  Guess most of you missed out eh?
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Some earnest God has given over to reprobate mind
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  not at all. Not my choices, God gave those.
  Not those who disagree with me but those who disagree Gods Word.
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  UpHisAssposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes - to disagree with this one is to anger God. This one speaks God's word - not their own. they do not accept any responsibility - it is God's word.
  
  Listen to this one.
  
  Excellent work atomswifey. Superb arguments.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Excellent work
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ediggityposted 14 years ago
To me the BIBLE is pretty straight forward. It's easy to pick and choose passages that support, or discredit an argument. However, I think the whole concept of the BIBLE is summed up in this quote:
“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”

Which is- His son Jesus came and died for us, and gave us the New Testament.

Which was- Every thing in the Old Testament.

Which is to come- Also explained in Revalation.

Lastly, to pick and choose:

{3:16} For God so loved the world, that he gave his only
begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not
perish, but have everlasting life. {3:17} For God sent not
his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the
world through him might be saved.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus says in Luke 2:13-14 that he came to bring peace on earth. Matthew 10:34 Jesus back peddles and says he did not come to bring peace on earth.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Like I said it's easy to pick and choose, but I like to look at the BIBLE as a whole concept. I don't want to just pluck things out to support, or discredit an argument. Although, somtimes I do. Free will man, Free will.
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well to be totally honest Earnest Luke 2:14 says "Glory to God in the highest; and on earth peace to men of good will." No I am not saying that you are not a man of good will just that this is describing the birth of Christ, a very happy occasion both in heaven and on earth.
  
  And in Matthew 10:35 Jesus says "I came to set a man at variance ..." Not that this was the end design of the coming of our Saviour but that his coming and his doctrine would have this effect, by reason of the resistance that many would make, and of their persecuting those that follow Him.
  
  But I'd have to agree with you about those that roll around on the floor speaking in "tongues". I wouldn't call them idiots though.
  
  signed Happy Papist
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That explains the Jewish hate! Why didn't you say that in the first place! No wonder you're pro palastinian.
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What explains it? That I am Catholic? Or that I agreed with Earnest about those that roll around on the floor speaking in "tongues"? And where's the Jewish hate? See if you can find any Jewish hate in my last post. The Palestinian/Israeli conflict is political not religious. Let's try to keep politics in the Political forum and religion in the Religion forum. And lets try to abate your hatred yourself.
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  glendoncabaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  romans 5:1,2 explains the peace which christ brings.
  
  Peace with god through Lord Jesus through whom we have gained access by faith unto this grace in which we no stand.
  
  NIV (Life Application Bible) Notes on Matthew 10:34: "Conflict and disagreement will arise between those who choose to follow Christ and those who dont."
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  UpHisAssposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes. Yes. Push the christ then. More conflict. As you know. How about a real christian invitation to conflict and disagreement for a change?
  
  Unless you see the light and join us. The honest religion........
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  glendoncabaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Was explaining what Christ said in Matthew. So once you accept christ the world will be your enemy.
  
  However on a day to day basis we seek to live a life of service.
  Our lives should be lived in service and humility. We invite people to life in Christ, but such a life is at variance with the natural inclinations to sin and evil. Those who refuse Christ will be against His followers. Our best testimony is loving service to humanity. Remember the parable of Good Samaritan.
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
I am all for freewill!

It blows my mind that the sciences, history, geology, biology, and physics fails to convince Christians, yet some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" is all the evidence they need to "prove" Christianity.

Absolutely insane!
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I kind of view it backwards. I see history, geology, biology, and especially physics as explanations to what GOD created. Each of the subjects mentioned including the BIBLE can only be explained so much until individuals include some sort of theory. The difference to me is that with religion one has faith. Oh yeah, I don't speak in tongues.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Who created the concept of rights? The same rights you hold so dear and demand with out the acknowledgement of where they came and who set the standard to base an arguement. A man, the son of God, in 32yrs changed our world and has held and strenthed his gosphel. No other before or since has had as much sway. Whether you believe or not that is a miracle in it self!
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It does not look like a miracle to me. People are terrified of a psychotic entity. That sort of neurosis sticks!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't have "The Fear of God" in me. I don't live affraid of hell even if I was wrong about God I would still want to live a righteous life. The bible helps me find answers and peace. Hey, I'm dumb as a brick I wouldn't listen to me.
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  glendoncabaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Good point.
  
  But I can't think of rolling and babbling as convincing to Christians or non-Christians. The Word of God is our guide.
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
I believe that the sciences clearly prove the lack of a god or creator.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But science can't even hardly get us past the planet earth. There are a number of theories that argue constellation, gravitational effects of the solar system, and planet alignment conducive to habitat. IMO science only to some extent proves something was created. The "how", even to non believers, is still argued every minute of every day.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  As it should be. The arguments add to the sciences that connect to each other as well.
  
  The scientific evidence continues to verify much of what had been theorized about other planets, solar systems and even the universe, so we are well past where you state science is.
  
  The empirical evidence for non belief in god is broadly based and does not rely on one book being the source of faith.
  
  Faith can be in anything, no matter how out there it is.
  The example I gave in the post above of what constitutes faith is indicative of this sort of "faith" thinking'
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I still don't understand how science can prove the "lack of a god or creator", when the science itself cannot be concretely proven or agreed upon by the science community.
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SparklingJewelposted 14 years ago
Remember, a great deal of science is just theoretical.

I look forward to the day when acceptance of an individual having a spiritual experience will be just as accepted as theories of science.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Science has theories.
  Science has hard evidence based on many of those theories tying together.
  If the theories of science do not fit, they are dropped eventually because they do not fit what is known and empirically supported.
  Religion on the other hand rather than seeking to move on, has been stuck on a book. One book, written very long ago by men.
  It contradicts itself, it is hateful and psychotic, the writers were psychologically naive, and it is a dead giveaway when your entity has to make threats. Not sane, not logical, hateful and exclusive.... no thanks!
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
I have no problem with spiritual experiences, I have had many as we all have.
It is the illogical step to connect spirituality with religion that I disagree with, in fact I find religion is generally void of any true spirit.
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
There is only a very small proportion of scientists that disagree, and they are all religionists as far as my research can tell.
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
So, all clear sailing for me then!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats what I believe, I can't speak for the rest of the Christian churches.
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
I too seek to live life well.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And I'm sure you do!
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TMinutposted 14 years ago
From what I know of God, the things that earnest(shubs) says is known and will be taken into account. If he rejects scripture because all he sees is hateful, cruel, and vengeful, that shows his heart rejects those things. When he's shown at judgment day or whenever, the awesomeness of what is really the truth, sounds like he'd embrace it wholeheartedly. And I AM would never reject that.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Helping the blind to see the blessings that are.
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Make Moneyposted 14 years ago
The book of Sirach is an apocrypha book according to Protestants but the apocrypha books are finding more interest now since they were found in the Dead Sea Scrolls at Qumran in 1947. The book of Sirach is called Ecclesiasticus in the Catholic Bible. This online version of the King James Bible has the apocrypha books including Sirach.

The reason why I am bringing this up is because I just found that chapter 1 of Sirach clearly seems to be talking about the Holy Ghost. Yeah an Old Testament book talking about the Holy Ghost. It is giving the impression that God will give the Holy Ghost to those that have fear of the Lord and keep the commandments. Here's some verses from chapter 1 of Sirach.

"8: There is one wise and greatly to be feared, the Lord sitting upon his throne.
9: He created her, and saw her, and numbered her, and poured her out upon all his works.
10: She is with all flesh according to his gift, and he hath given her to them that love him."

"26: If thou desire wisdom, keep the commandments, and the Lord shall give her unto thee.
27: For the fear of the Lord is wisdom and instruction: and faith and meekness are his delight."

I'm thinking that the Israelites must have had some Grace from the Holy Ghost if they feared the Lord and kept His commandments. In fact the apostles must have had some Grace from the Holy Ghost to give up what they were doing to follow Jesus. And it could be the reason why 3,000 Jews recognized the Word on the first Pentecost too, when the majority of Jews did not.

What do you think? If you find this interesting you might want to read the whole chapter, it's just 30 verses.
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TMinutposted 14 years ago
"The" holy spirit was given to certain people in the OT according to king David too - he begged YHWH not to take his holy spirit from him. Don't remember where, guess I should have looked that up before I posted it.
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Cool, thanks TMinut. Is that in Psalms? So that makes sense that the first chapter of the book of Sirach or as Catholics call it, Ecclesiasticus is talking about the Holy Ghost. I'm glad you mentioned that because the Holy Ghost is actually mentioned by name in the book of Ecclesiasticus in the Douay-Rheims Bible.
  
  Ecclesiasticus 1:9 "He created her in the Holy Ghost, and saw her, and numbered her, and measured her."
  
  Vladimir what was that that you said about the apocrypha books the other day again?
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Never mind TMinut. I did a search in the Old Testament of my Bible for spirit of God and found it many times and found spirit even more.
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The trinity was always there, but was not given to us, did not descend upon the earth that is, until after Christ ascended.
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah atomswifey I know the Holy Trinity was there before heaven and earth were created. But the Holy Ghost was given to the Israelites that had fear of the Lord, kept His commandments and loved Him, even before Jesus ascended. That was the whole purpose of me posting about the book of Sirach or Ecclesiasticus a couple of pages back. And that is what I was pointing out. Only TMinut caught it. If you don't believe me then you can read it from the links above or if you'd sooner read it from the King James Bible then this online version has the apocrypha, including the book of Sirach.
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  wow that was really interesting thank you for sharing. I guess I need to clarify that then.
  And yes I can see where the Holy Spirit was given to some in that way and under those circumstances
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah isn't that cool. It gives more credence to the apocrypha books. Did you know that there are actually three ark angels in the Bible. Michael, Gabriel and Raphael. Raphael is in the book of Tobit another apocrypha book. Raphael was my clans patron when my ancestors traveled from the highlands of Scotland to the New World a couple of centuries ago. Because of their safe voyage they built what is considered the first Catholic Church in Upper Canada (Ontario), St. Raphael's. If you read the book of Tobit you will understand why my ancestors chose Raphael as their patron. This is cool.
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  yes I will and thank you
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
I thought the word Papist had a derogative connotation. One of my dictionaries defines it so.
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is derogative Earnest. It's full of hatred towards Catholics. Someone besides me used it earlier in this thread. But I rather like being called a Papist.
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
And you were there and saw it happen?
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  saw what happen?
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atomswifeyposted 14 years ago
Yes - to disagree with this one is to anger God. This one speaks God's word - not their own. they do not accept any responsibility - it is God's word.

Yes to the first as It is not I who one would disagree with in quoting scripture

Yes and no to the second as I do speak scripture but I also speak for myself from time to time

As far as NOT taking responsibility?...LOL
I laugh at you looking in a mirror on that one!

As far as it being Gods Word,
it is.
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  UpHisAssposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Once again - superb argument. Excellent. Keep up the good work.
  
  No one should disagree with this one - she is not speaking her own words. These are God's words and not to be gone against.
  
  I take full responsibility. If you see - I represent the true master. We are honest in our beliefs. I do not speak for God - I accept personal responsibility for what I say.
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  you do not quote from the Word of God Mark
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You realized it too eh?
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  yeah a while ago
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
She has no interest in answers that don't agree with her version (out of thousands) from the bible!
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then she shouldn't ask
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But I did
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I see!
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  UpHisAssposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Excellent reasoning. Don't let them see the reason for your question. No one suspects it is so that you can argue your interpretation. They all think you are open minded enough to see there is more than one interpretation and yours is just one of many.
  
  Good job. Nearly there - you can convince them if you try just a little harder. remember the rewards.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Excellent work! You're making all this hubbers work for you
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  UpHisAssposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Of course. And they are not even aware they are working for me. Diabolical isn't it?
  
  Even now - she is convincing herself she does not work for me and will come back with another wonderful piece of reasoning to prove it.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  he just gave a version of his reason that he thought was in the Bible earnest lol
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atomswifeyposted 14 years ago
Tantrum? You said it now back it thats all I am asking here
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UpHisAssposted 14 years ago
John 10:27
"My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. "
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Be careful there Mark
  
  Sheep are symbols of purity
  they hear the voice of the one who calls
  and they do follow it
  they are not given to follow Him out of bondage but out of security and safety
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  UpHisAssposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes. Excellent argument. Sheep fear and follow for safety and security. Wonderful job.
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UpHisAssposted 14 years ago
John 12:25-26
"Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me. "

Sheeple.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you !
  @atomswifey
  It looks like here's an example. And I know there are many more !
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  atomswifey
  Here is one example
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  uhm one who chooses to serve is not in bondage and one who chooses to follow is not in bondage either
  try again
  
  but I answered in more detail a minute ago as well
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  John 12:25-26
  "The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life."
  "Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me. "
  
  here we see in the first verse... oh you omitted it in your version didn't you Mark?
  lol
  The first begins with how we are given eternal life with Christ. Being a willing servant. Willing to let go of the tyrannical rule of our own self-centeredness.
  guess thats why he left that out
  
  In the next verse
  and to understand this you really need to read starting at verse 20, but Jesus there were Greek men there. When Jesus said, whoever serves me must follow he was speaking to them as well. In other words He was being very clear not to exclude anyone. everyone can be free to follow Christ.
  
  Again no inference in looking at the scripture as a whole as one being a slave which is what bondage is
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  UpHisAssposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  FEAR
  
  Excellent argument. Well done. Very well done.
  
  Sheeple fear and follow for a promise of eternal life instead of death. Well done indeed.
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
  fear
  yes mark everyone would fear death if so final. LOL LOL LOL
  please
  look up that definition please
  LOL
  you got me laughing now
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  UpHisAssposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Excellent. Ridicule. Well done. Very well done indeed. Fear. I like it. You do not fear death because it is not final - because you are the sheeple of christ? Very good,.. Well done. You are an expert debater.
  
  Perhaps you could persuade a few to believe with you? Remember the reward program. 10 souls turned to sheeple = an eternity of bliss.
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's not exactly how John 12:26 reads in the online King James Bible or the Douay-Rheims Bible.
  
  King James Bible
  26: If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
  
  Douay-Rheims Bible
  26 If any man minister to me, let him follow me; and where I am, there also shall my minister be. If any man minister to me, him will my Father honour.
  
  Jesus' apostles left everything to follow Him because they had fear of the God, kept His commandments and loved Him so they had the grace from the Holy Ghost, this was even before they knew that Jesus was God. This is also why Mary was chosen to be His mother.
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  true he was searching in the NIV
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah the older versions are better I think.
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yes2truthposted 14 years ago
"The Holy Spirit came upon us when?
I am not refuting the scriptures, only enlightening to the truth I see in them."

It would seem that you are. By what you call 'seeing' you are reading things in that are not there.

The Holy Spirit only comes upon those who are called and then baptised (full immersion) The only exception to this was Cornelius and his household who were then baptised afterwards.

Many are called but few are chosen.

Narrow is path and only a few there be that find it.

""It is the sick in need of a doctor, not the healthy.""

The Lord was mocking the Pharisees when He said this. Yes, everyone needs the 'Physician' but not everyone will get Him in this age.
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LEFT HAND OF GODposted 14 years ago
"Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends."

If you believe the account or not to be a fact, one thing you might admit, is that the story concludes with the man laying down his life for his friends.

That is the "invitation" to us.....to lay down our lives for our friends and to love our enemies.
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atomswifeyposted 14 years ago
Mark and earnest are tag teaming
it is rather funny

But tantrum, can you answer for yourself? You made the statement now back it
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atomswifeyposted 14 years ago
wow its 2:15 am here!
I need sleep
nite nite
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  UpHisAssposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Baaaaah!
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yes2truthposted 14 years ago
"Um, well, I read that he invites all to come unto him. To me that would mean we are all chosen. It's just up to us whether or not we accept the invitation."

Yes to you it could mean anything you decide and that's the problem.

Many are called but FEW are chosen.

Man does not have freewill.
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  Daniel Carterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Man I'm so glad I don't have the same views as you. It's total bondage. Good luck with that.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah!! good luck ! I'm happy I'm not a chosen one. I would be a very bad slave !
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
Some of us have!
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LEFT HAND OF GODposted 14 years ago
The only thing to do with ones will is to deny it and live outside of selfishness.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That would depend on if your will was selfish or not surely. My will is to be unselfish.
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yes2truthposted 14 years ago
"Some of us have!"

No, you only think you have.
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yes2truthposted 14 years ago
"Man I'm so glad I don't have the same views as you. It's total bondage. Good luck with that."

Not at all. The Truth sets us free from bondage. Unfortunately, it is you that is in bondage.

Thanks, though, for wishing me luck even though I don't need luck.
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yes2truthposted 14 years ago
"I'm happy I'm not a chosen one. I would be a very bad slave!"

Hmm. Not being a chosen one you are not qualified to make a comment one way or the other.

It is you that is the slave, not me.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm qualified to make a comment more than you. You're too short minded. And this is a free forum. If you don't like what I post, Why answer ?
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  Daniel Carterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think my work here is done.
  I'm free to walk away now.
  
  As I said, good luck with all that, my friend.
  
  Tantrum, if you're the last one, will you turn out lights?
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I've turned them off like an hour ago !!
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elliot.dunnposted 14 years ago
if i could make a shameless plug for one of my hubs

i think that a lot of the people that call themselves followers of Christ should read this: <snipped>

i tried to explain how a lot of us, i'm a chirstian too, really do a bad job of portraying Christ to people with differing views. i'd to know what some of you think about it.
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yes2truthposted 14 years ago
"i tried to explain how a lot of us, i'm a chirstian too, really do a bad job of portraying Christ to people with differing views. i'd to know what some of you think about it."

If you start a thread of your own you will then find out, won't you?
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glendoncabaposted 14 years ago
To fellow christians: I believe in any ecumenical setting there will be shades of difference in interpretations.

But could we stand together as children of the Christ of Calvary.

He calls us to a blessed life of hope and inward peace despite the storms around us. His blessed invitation is in the book from Genesis to Revelation.

From Genesis 3:9 "Where are you." to revelation 22:17:
"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."

The suggestion I want to throw out is that each reader who cares to may want to meditate on this invitation and perhaps this weekend visit your church, or the church of your childhood.
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glendoncabaposted 14 years ago
Work with here people, i'm trying to keep it inclusive.

If we begin to bicker among ourselves no wonder the atheists are entertained.

On other threads we can talk about what is the true church.

For now lets just agree on the person of Jesus Christ, his lordship, his love, and his invitation to salvation.
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yes2truthposted 14 years ago
"Work with here people, i'm trying to keep it inclusive.

If we begin to bicker among ourselves no wonder the atheists are entertained.

On other threads we can talk about what is the true church.

For now lets just agree on the person of Jesus Christ, his lordship, his love, and his invitation to salvation."

The Lord was not inclusive. He came to receive a few that The Father was going to call to Him.

Many are called few are chosen.

Atheists are not my concern for they have hearts of disbelief and they will continue to have hearts of disbelief until The Father calls them to His Son. They are lost - Spiritually dead, get used to it.

I do not agree with you regarding The Lord's invitation. The Father calls and we respond: "Here am I"
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  glendoncabaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Acts 17:30 "In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent."
  
  General call.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  <offending content removed - no personal attacks in the Forums>
  Atheists and others who do not believe in your preposterous interpretation chosen out of thousands of other disagreeing and crazy beliefs are simply sane and reasoning.
  
  Some may be lost, but most are too busy leading normal healthy loving lives to get caught up in such fantasies!
  Sell your hate filled lies to someone who is already indoctrinated.
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  glendoncabaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  earnest I would appreciate if you specify which statement you are responding to.
  
  My last response was to yes2truth and did not relate to your input.
  
  Furthermore due to bad editing his statement appears in same block of quote as mine.
  
  perhaps you could quote specifically what you are responding to so I can make sense of where the discussion is going.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I was responding to the other post.
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Sanctus Vesaniaposted 14 years ago
Which translation are you reading from? Because Acts 13:30 in the KJV reads

30But God raised him from the dead:

By the way, why do you mainstream Christians love to dance around certain things? It's almost amusing, but vaguely annoying.
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  glendoncabaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  that was acts 17:30 a typo, thanks for pointing it out, now corrected.
  
  I have no wish to get into an interdenom controversy. Mainstream does not describe me.
  
  Not dancing around anything. Just glorifying jesus.
  
  What's your point anyway. Is it more important than calling world to christ.
  
  Do you come to the table with any tolerance, love, accepting of differences. Diverse world. One Jesus.
  
  Another time and place we can debate Calvinistic predestination. Right now I just want to thank God for Jesus.
  
  If you like I'll post a new thread to discuss the general call, the special call, the call to ministry etc.
  
  I would love for this thread to be a special place to rejoice in salvation in Jesus.
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glendoncabaposted 14 years ago
Just an aside here. what do u guys think of my new avatar, Lady Liberty at sunset?

I'm crazy that way. Change my avatar at least four times every month.

Should do a travel hub with these pics. Still have about 8 hubs left in my Egypt series.

...I digress!
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glendoncabaposted 14 years ago
BTW The choice of avatar is always intentional. Lady Liberty = freedom to choose, to achieve, to believe. I took the photo from the Staten Island Ferry.

Wow! I DID IT! Paste image for the first time.

Hallelujah!

question now: since I copied it from profile address will it change when I change profile pic??

I just love it: What does it say again: "I lift my lamp beside the golden door".

Sorry guys but I'm so visually excited I must do an acrylic on canvas piece with this.
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