How Does A Christian Know If They Are Saved Or Not?

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  1. PhoenixV profile image64
    PhoenixVposted 3 years ago

    How Does A Christian Know If They Are Saved Or Not?

  2. Kiss andTales profile image79
    Kiss andTalesposted 3 years ago

    New World Translation
    Zep 2:3 Seek Jehovah, all you meek ones of the earth, Who observe his righteous decrees. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably you will be concealed on the day of Jehovah’s anger.

    1. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      That is the problem with understanding the word of God , or understanding that people want you to listen to their voice.
      they do not hear God's but their own. And because their knowledge is limited in translation of Hebrew and Greek the truth lacks

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Bcuz "truth" is given u fm the Word of God & doesn't align w/"governemntal religion" or a "spin off" does not mean it's "their voice!" U have knowledge of Heb & Grk yet dont understand the New Cov? What good is it? Proof: HS does bet

    3. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      You make sense to yourself , but since you been posting you prove nothing with scriptures , everything  that is  spoken should be backed up, Hebrew and Greek is the original language of scriptures,  you only quote from a 1600 version of translation.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Case & point, do u "understand" even w/knowledge of Heb & Grk? U still don't see New Cov? It does exist  yet u can't "see" even w/"ur" knowledge! U need HS not Heb & Greek! Prov 3:5

    5. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Is that all you have , most people already know about the New Covenant ,Jesus is the New Covenant. True.You can not find any words of my to dispute it.But you hang everything on that one thought
      you are not balanced. All the scriptures work together

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Who said F>S>HS in Trinity was fm 3 headed pagan god yet u were baptzd that way? Who's "unbalanced?"  Reading about the NC & "understanding" it & doing it , are two diff things!

    7. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Did I tell you I was Baptized No!  Again you assume things because of comments, rather I am or not is no concern of yours, So quit commenting on speculation to prove yourself right.your whole comment is off track.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: If u live accrdng to Script it is! "Make full proof of thy ministry" II Tim 4:5. Ashamed? Mk8:38. Shouldn't be secret! God's listening! I give Script-not "my words"!

    9. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Proof of truth in  scriptures is what matters not scoping people's personal vows of dedication to God to be used to critize ones choice seems to be your motive , not mine, I never asked anyone that , it is not my business.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T If they proclaim to be Christ-like it is! I Pet 3:15! If u proclaim to be Christ-like it is! Correct them II Tim 2:15! All I EVER have is Scrip yet u say "my voice!" Why?

    11. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      First all things people ask does not require and answer,  Jesus set the record for that Mt 21:27 So in answer to Jesus they said: “We do not know.” He, in turn, said to them: “Neither am I telling YOU by what authority I do these things.,

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: But the "Authority" has told YOU how to respond & you don't care? I Pet 3:15! He told YOU what to do! My God!  Anything to be "right?" Sounds like "Govt religion?" Jesus doesn't have to tell anyone anything but he told YOU what to do in

    13. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine I am confident in what I believe and say, you do not have to believe me , because Jesus is who we follow.  I follow him my way
      Criticism of my way does not make you right. But we must each work our own relationship out.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: U can be "confident" but if not WORD....It is not my way or your way but what is in the WORD, His way!  I have planted the seed but only God can give the increase I Cor 3:6-7.I don't criticize, judge the WORD does! He must be trying to tell

    15. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      you apply a scripture to your own feelings and thoughts, and then say but you pick
      Does not mean that is the case at all,even Satan quoted scripture
      Ps91:11 / Lu 4:11and,‘They will carry you on their hands, that you may at no time strike your foot

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Did u answer my questions? Did I choose & pk  Script about NC? Did I about baptzm or anything else? Where? Is 5:20; Lk 4:12.

    17. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Yes Norine you have pick all scriptures to say what you wish.
      I answered a question , but you are so busy telling .you did not notice
      A reply.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Let me ask one at a time. Do u blv in baptzing in Jesus' Name?

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      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      King James Version
      Re 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him(satan ), whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
      You see it is Jesus final decision not ours.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Rev 13:8 is right! Jesus has left us instructions! I'm just asking u to STUDY & follow! I rejoice when u call me Satan! Mk 13:13. I must be doing something right! For light hates darkness & darkness hates lght  Jn 3:19-21!

    21. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine you rant more then you read and listen , it takes a good listener to understand , no where did I call you satan .show me , where I called you that.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: If not from God's Word then Satan & ur first statement said I was using "my own voice" when I've given nothing but Scripture! Then u insinuate "ignorance!" This is the spirit fm Satan! He wants u to "thk" ignorant & my own voice!More

    23. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Ex 3:15And God said to Moses again “You are to say to the sons of Israel ‘Jehovah, your fathers’ God, Abraham’s God, Isaac’s God, Jacob’s God, has sent me to you’; this is my name forever, and this my identification for generation after generation

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Is Jehovah not another name for God in another lang? Speak "English" here! Jehovah (God) is What He is not Who He is! Why do u cont to live under OC? It's a New Day (NC)! Did Christ die in vain?

    25. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine that is where we depart, If you read the original  Hebrew or greek , Lord would be Jehovah , where King  James removes  the name,  American Standard ": this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations." We are a generation

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: I've moved under NC where Jesus means "I AM" (ALL) which includes "Jehovah" & all others.  Don't get hung up on a "name" for He is ALL (F>S>HS) included! Under NC Script says in Philip 2:10&Rm 14:11 "at the name of JESUS" not J

    27. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine that is how he is Identified , why would your name be  important
      And his is not,
      Wrong thinking.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: He changes His Names & Glories to get HIS WILL accomplished! I am not God! Although I have titles as he does Glories, i.e., mom,wife,sister,etc. but not my name.His name is JESUS under NC! Phil 2:9-11.Prob:U want to have 1 ft n law &

    29. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine I know what titles are but that scripture says that Jehovah will be his name for generations.
      You ignore that.
      Jesus is God's first born creation of an Angel made
      Name Jesus after his birth on earth.
      Your name is Norine not lady or woman

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Did u not say that Jehovah means "becomes ALL?" The meaning of His name has not changed but OT Scripture has been fulfilled!  He  is still "Jehovah" for He has BECOME "JESUS" under NC! Rem: From Glory to Glory to get HIS WILL accomplished!

    31. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Explain scripture Norine tell me why Jesus can not tell his deciples where to sit in his Government office,  and the Father can .

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: After leaving earth, He operates in the Glory of ALL F>S>HS too but His Name is JESUS! Maybe u can better understand if I call His Glories "roles?" He's everywhere! All Glories!

    33. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine a quote from you
      . Norine Williams says 10 hours ago

      K&T:Will u pls stop looking at Jesus as father & son?We're talkin

      You keep saying this who is lying you.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Did u notice the small "f" & "s?" Carnal not Spiritual "F"ather & "S"on! U r a LIE for I know God is ALL not only the Father & Son but whatever He pleases! Is 43:10-13! Who shall hinder it?

    35. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine you have said this in your own words , also you are filling in your meaning using omnipresent.  There is no scripture written using that with Father And Son , so far your explaination in letters means nothing.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Rev 1:8 should be enough for you but there r many, many more! Too many for this space! What does this Scripture (Rev 1:8) mean to u? To me: ALL! God,Jehovah,I AM, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, etc. OMG not enough rm here! Too many GLORIES! "Spir

    37. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Again the Scripture you gave applies to Jehovah , he has no beginning or end and does not die, Jesus died,
      The word is omnipresent is not used here , you filled the word in.
      People can see that.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T:The "flesh" of Jesus died, but NEVER His Spirit!He got busy immed aftr He lft that body! I Pet 3:19 Why don't u argue the point that God's name is "I AM" He said it was! Why? Ur "teachings!" His Name chgs fm Glory to Glory. FULFILLMENT! JESUS

    39. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      King James Thinking When He Translated Bible
      . King James I, after ascending the English throne in 1603,* endorsed the making of a fresh Bible translation. He stipulated that it should commend itself to all by omitting any offensive notes or comments

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Man CAN NOT chg "MESSAGE" of Word of God! HS will reveal! Have you no "faith?" God takes the most "unlearned" ppl & use the most!  Don't u know this? It's the HS that gives "truth" & "wisdom" no matter who chgs what!

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Who cares what KJ chg'd? No "man" will ever chg the MESSAGE in His Word!

      His coming was prophesied n OT, He came n NT, He DIED, He sent HS to help us under NC & it's our JOB to STUDY to find HIS WILL n Script & "FOLLOW!"

    42. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine God did not Father himself it would have said he  did, where is your scripture that he said he fathered himself? You add your own opinion  and interpretation to keep from saying the truth, God is our Father also but we all have separate bodies

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: OMNIPRESENT> BECOMES ALL>THE ALMIGHTY SPIRIT! What? GOD whose NAME is JESUS!

      "Let us" in Gen!  SAME SPIRIT in Lk 1:35 HS (JESUS) "shall overshadow thee!" Conceived Himself! 

      OMNIPRESENT!

      Lk 1:37 "For with God NOTHING shall be imp

    44. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      He said God's son . Who was an Angel called Micheal  was given a fleshly body by a birth.
      Angels are sons of God , if That Angel existed with this message then surly the Angel Micheal existed who would be born as Jesus.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: U have not given scriptures telling Michael was Jesus! Only Jude 9 says "with a voice" which He could use "a voice" of anyone!

      Who would have blv'd Jesus was GOD if He had told them in script as you don't today?Jesus had to "relate" to "man

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      MonkeyShine75posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      God is he who saves, and always has saved those who turned to him
      The worship of any other, including his messengers is a sin
      Isaiah 45:22

      Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Mara: "Spiritual!" Is God not "Redeemer" as u stated (Is 44:6)? So is Jesus II Pet 1:1)! Did God not "purchase us w/His own blood?" So did Jesus (Rev 1:5,6; 5:8-9)! Not 2 but ONE SPIRIT!  OMNIPRESENT! JESUS IS GOD the ONE SPIRIT!

    48. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      There was no Hebrew word for Jesus during the writing of the manuscripts, maybe now but nor then,

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Heb 9:9 says "Which was a figure for the times then present.."  Yes, things chg but don't u blv He manifested Himself in the flesh (I Tim 3:16), came & DIED for us, left NC, sent HS?  That's who I'm talking about!

    50. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      All existing entities are the manifestation of an attribute of what's called god.  Man-en-mass parents, schools and religion brainwashes us to believe ourselves superior to everything including other man, so the NC & salved is when one overcomes

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: The problem is u don't BELIEVE what is WRITTEN!  U can't chg Scripture or move fm the dispensation n which we NOW live into another (REV)! We were commanded to OBSERVE apostles & if we don't, NO SALVATION!

    52. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      We are commanded to observe everything the comforter commands us (Mat 28:20), not the apostles.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      ELI: LIE!  Who do u thk was "speaking thru the apostles" if not the Comforter (HS)? That's why we were told to "OBSERVE" them~! Did He (HS) not say n Jer & Heb that He would "put His laws in their hearts, & write in minds?" U don't blv Script

    54. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The comforter will speak through YOU causing YOU to become the "sower who went forth to sow" (Mat 13:3) where you share your understanding and moves on (Joh 3:8) while the comforter works in the seeds to achieve whatever the soil allows.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: U being the soil ask God (HS) if what I speak (seed/His Word) is TRUE according to Scripture!  That's your job as a believer (Acts 17:11) with an "open mind" not with a hard-heart (concrete soil)!

    56. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I am not a BELIEVER, I am FAITHFUL (Heb 11:1 & Jan 2:18, 20 & 26).  All reborn man have evidence and substance to justify their unseen beliefs.  I consults HS concerning my every act. I don't want to but HS say continue this dialog with you.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: John 3:15 "...BELIEVE ON HIM..." comes before "Faith!" Understanding His Word (Believing) then "Faith!"

      Consult HS regarding "seed sown" unto you!  You have nothing but time why not use it? I don't know why I (flesh) cont w/u? HS said to!

    58. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      When one actually believes one will seek evidence & substance to support it, thats why I AM FAITHFUL, I study to show myself approved to correct reveal truth (2 Tim 2:15), I don't believe without doubt anything until finding proof in support of i

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: One should never "doubt" the Word of God or "unbelief!" Again, Did He not come, DIE, told us to "OBSERVE" apostles, sent HS to help us, said He would "write His laws n our hearts & minds" (as He did Paul)? Give me another current way of life

    60. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      There's your problem, you do not doubt enough to go to HS (Isa 1:18) so you can do what is necessary to get evidence and substance of faith.  You will have the proof of the Yoshua's resurrection when I manifests as Eliyehu (Mat 12:39-40 & Rev 5:1

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Yes, I "doubt" what "man" says!  I listen, then go to Scripture (HS) praying for revelation as u should!  I give SCRIPTURE, not my opinion!

      In order to get to Revelation (eternal life), 1 MUST live (NOW) as commanded - "OBSERVE" apostles!

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    Norine Williamsposted 3 years ago

    I John 1:6-7 says "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth; (v) But if we walk in the light, as he is the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ, his Son, cleanseth us from all sin."   

    Walk in the Spirit (Jesus Who is the Light) according to His Word and you will have no doubt that you are saved!  "Love not the world, Neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust of it; but he that doeth the will of God abideth forever (I John 1:15-17).

    Did you hear that? He that doeth the will of God abideth forever?  That is why it's imperative that we rightly divide the Word to understand what  "the will of God is!"   Again, I say, we now live under the New Covenant, "after the cross," in accordance with what Jesus spoke through the Apostles, telling them what to tell us is necessary for salvation! But no one will "believe our report!" (Isaiah 53:1)

    1. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Re 2:10 Do not be afraid of the things you are about to suffer. Look! The Devil will keep on throwing some of you into prison so that you may be fully put to the test, "Prove yourself faithful even to death, and I will give you the crown of life

    2. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, 1 can't walk in the light until Comforter taught (Isa 28:9 Joh 14:26). The light is comprehending the messages in everything in existence, not only the book called Bible (Joh 21:25).

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Mk3:23-24 Can Satan cast out Satan? F>S>HS pagan god yet u don't blv in Jesus' name baptzm? Wont say-dont blv!Rm10:10/Eli:Yes, only God gives inc I Cor 3:6-7;What other bk gives salvation? II Cor 4:18!

    4. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      2 Cor 18, The seen things give substance and evidence of things not seen (Heb 11:1 & Rom 1:20) so we must see with understanding as revealed by the comforter the made to comprehend the unseen.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli Why is everyone so Spiritually immature?Tradition?Complacent? I DID NOT WRITE SCRIPT! Yes,HS can only reveal but STUDY! PRAY w/open mind & heart! Be not deceived! Read Jer & Heb Scripts below!Gal 1:6-9

    6. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Few people know being spiritual means one has understanding of most things and growing toward comprehending the purpose behind all things, that is why most are so "Immature, Tradition and Complacent."

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Wrong! Immature Re: govt religion, complacentcy, not studying TRUTH, reprobate mind, hardened heart! Satan's laughing! He's winninng & ALL think it's THE SPIRIT when its the spirit! II Thess 2:11!

    8. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you he ho judges although instructed not to judge.

    9. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Tlmc 1Sa 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
      As written obedience is important

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T:  We don't need the Holy Spirit then if WE can be saved thru our own "self effort!" Sounds like "the law" to me!  HS is "the voice of the Lord" which "leads & guides us" least any man should boast!" Eph 2:9!

    11. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Why'd Yoshua say man must be born of the spirit (Jn 3:1-8)? Why did John say everyone born of god - which is spirit and can only be worshipped in spirit and truth - sins not (1 JN 3:9)? Scriptures reveals it's spirit or comfort's doing the saving.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli How can u say NC is "man-made" which Christ died for & IS WRITTEN? If in Script,& u blv not, then the spirit w/in u is not of God! Just bcuz u r recently exposed to new rev does not make it untrue! Study! Why do u thk God place ppl n our

    13. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      To Phenix I just wanted to add a subject of thought about Moses
      Even in the ten commandments Moses was a young man in Pharaoh's
      House, yet it was not until he had left Egypt and herded sheep and aged when God approach him, the point is he knows time

    14. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Yoshya's death was for everyone willing to follow his example to have everlasting life as he demonstrated.  The covenant man teaches is not allowing anyone to ascend like he did therefore what man are teaching as the NC is man made.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Did u read Jer 31:33; Heb 8:10;10:16? I didn't make up the term "NC," Jesus said it! Why do u insist God's Word man-made? Blasphemy!  Just bcuz u r complacent is no justification to rule out HIS WORD as "man-made!"  Blasphemy! Did u read?

    16. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Did you read Ecc 1:9, "there's nothing new under the sun" meaning the reason it appears as a New Covenant is because people don't know the covenant always come from within so it appears new when they discover it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: If NC is w/in have u been baptzd according to how IT told u to be after it went into effect? I've known NC in Scripture all my life & told us to be baptzd in Jesus' name.  Have u done this?

    18. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      That has nothing to do with being saved but, at age 4 I asked my mother to allow me to be baptized.  I knew not the holy spirit until my new conceptions 1973, 25 years later.  One goes under, gets wet but nothing changes, with the "Rebirth" it does.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: So u don't blv in water baptism at all although it's throughout Scripture and even Jesus was baptzd? I don't follow? U don't "live" Scripture?  Is Scripture not an example of what we should do?

    20. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Reread my last post, it tells you.

    21. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The scripture I ask her to explain is similar to sit at my right hand, because if he is sitting at his right hand the Father is on his left .
      If he was all one he would only need one seat.
      My scripture was Mt 20:23 , shows Jesus under the Father.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Too many! U tell me! K&T: "Symbolic!" Don't u know this is a "Spiritual" journey?Jn 4:23-24. Stop jumping fm "Spiritual" to "carnal!" ALWAYS "look" w/Spiritual eyes when reading/studying Scripture!

    23. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The post just above the one I responded to.  If you can read you would know what I believe.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Re:Baptzm I asked if u've been baptzd in Jesus' Name & u said "That has nothing to do with being saved.." which contradicts I Pet 3:21! I can read! Can u & again I ask "How were u baptzd?" Acts 19:3-5

    25. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Were you baptized in Jesus' name, if so which one, Yoshua or Elijah?

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: According to Acts 2:38; 19:5; according to how they did when  "The First Church" was established; under New Covenant; according to Scripture! What about u?

    27. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      You didn't tell me which name of Jesus, Yoshua or Elijah?

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: U can call Him anything u want, but I JESUS! There is only ONE JESUS! Breaking down His Glories by diff names doesn't chg His Name! He has died, risen & "NOW" Phil 2:9-11.U still didn't answer my question: In what name were u baptzd?

    29. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, if only you would read with understanding the Bible you not be regurgitating what some man has conditioned you to believe.  Read the book objectively, participate in what it say do, reason with the outcomes and become wise to its meaning.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: I have! Bible OT Prophesied coming, He came, DIED, left Holy Spirit for us & told us what to do to be saved under New Covenant. No "MAN" gave me those scriptures. NC revealed during study! Ppl say under NC but don't no how, when, where, effe

    31. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Stop regurgitating what man is telling you then read and comprehend the prophecies of both old and new testaments for yourself.  I heard what you are saying, if you are younger than 60, before you were born.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Stop saying "MAN" told me this when Jer 31:31-33;Heb8:10;10:16 speaks of NC! What MAN? Scriptures fm WORD OF GOD! OT Jesus CONCEALED, NT Jesus REVEALED!  What does age have to do w/it?

    33. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Ok then, your selective reading of what is written and not understanding what you read because of your lack of the Comforter which prevents you from following the tradition of the origination called church.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Do u live under NC-Grace? How did it become eff? "Select" those script & u will come to Jer & Heb, Jn 14:26;16:13; Acts 2:2! Read those as JESUS wrote His laws on Paul's heart & told u what to do to be SAVED! THE "CHURCH" is in Acts!

    35. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The NEW BIRTH is the NEW COVENANT, one cannot read their heart without  being born again leading them to follow the grace and example in Isa 7:14-22.  The reborn are the virgin, by rebirth they are the child (Rev 12:5). See my Hub Revelation 12

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Under NC ("After those days," immed after JESUS ascended), THE "CHURCH" was estab & JESUS cont'd talking thru Paul & disciples telling us what to do for SALVATION!  Not only "born again" but EVERYTHING!  Read "AFTER THOSE DAYS.." in Acts

    37. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      SO Yoshua lied when he said the holy spirit/comforter would bring all things [written on our hearts] to our remembrance? Why would he need Paul & disciples? THOSE DAYS are after the organized church's time, the time terminating the world, NOW.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Don't u know Paul was "a vessel" used by JESUS to tell us ALL things "AFTER THOSE DAYS" as with John & the rest of apostles?  JESUS cont'd the majority of his gospel thru PAUL! He uses "man" in script too to tell TRUTH which MUST be fm bible

    39. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Do you know YHWH called Nebuchadnezzar his servant in Jeremiah 27:6? Doesn't that mean he was obedient to YHWH? Does Israel believe him to be a servant of YHWH? So what Paul was "a vessel" used by JESUS, I'm used by his father but do you hear me?

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: We are really at an impasse! I & MY Father r ONE! Haven't u heard? He is His Father! God was "manifested in the flesh!" Who do u thk Jesus is God's little boy? Matt 28:18? ALL PWR? Where was God? Asleep?

    41. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I'm 1 with father, NW. Don't you realize all spirit born are 1 with YHVH (1 Jn 3:9), have followed Isa 7:14-22 in preparing to reenter the Eden (Gen 3:24) millennium (Rev 20:4) to replenish earth for Rev 21's world? That's the Bible's message.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: U didn't answer my question! Matt 28:18 "ALL POWER!"  Then where was God?

      Since this is a "Spiritual" walk, u agree that there is ONE Spirit & that ONE Spirit was on earth while in heaven also? 

      You see, Jesus is God!

      Why talk about Rev

    43. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I see no ? concerning Mat 28:18 but when I become a spiritual adult I will have all power in heaven and earth per Jo 14:12. The quickness with the disciples and Paul was so organized church could reach the Laodicean signaling the world's end is here.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: U should for JESUS said "ALL PWR" was given Him in Matt 28:18! My question is: If "ALL PWR" was given to JESUS, where was GOD? PAUL stood n Jesus' Stead & told us what's to be done for SALVATION! Gal 1:6-9. Follow "gospel" as Paul (JESUS) ta

    45. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Paul didn't stand in Jesus' stead, he established churches for Rev 2 & 3's prophecy. 4:1 say after the church era come the end.  All saved adult must have "all power in heaven and earth" to live in Armageddon, none adults, foolish virgins, cannot

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli:  WORD "Inspired by God" and not God? Paul wrote majority of Word in NT (God)! Yes He estab Churches but wrote to us (the Church) as well! Yet we don't live following His Words under NC? Don't you see a problem with "believers" beliefs?

    47. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The problem with believers beliefs, they don't have faith to find substance and evidence (Heb 11:1) for changing beliefs into knowledge and reasoning knowledge into wisdom. HS showed me evidence and substance that change what I say and do to wisdom.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: I wonder about that holy spirit you speak of?

      If you ask "me" to justify why "GOD" did something, where did you get that holy spirit from?

      Think about that!

    49. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      This is Burger King, have it your way and reap discarnating, have it HS's way and reap everlasting life.  Have it your way or HS's way, the choice is already made that this isn't your time to be biblically saved.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Did Jesus not say to OBSERVE apostles? Matt 28:19

      After 1st Church est, did the Christ followers (disciples) not do as apostles did? Acts 2:42

      If any want to be SAVED, they MUST do as apostles did! NC is why Jesus came to lv HS to help us!

    51. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      No, he said observe all things and, in 7:1, without judging any of your observations. I know I'll survive this world's end so I know I'm saved, that's why I'm learning to live like those man in Genesis 1:26-29.  .

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      Monique Kaibatposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Ephesians 2:8 "For it is by grace you have been saved, "through faith"--and this is "not from yourselves", it is the gift of God".
      means no matter how many good things you do if Jesus Christ is not living in you those things are meaningless.

    53. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      That means if you are not Jew to survive the world and learn, via the holy spirit, to follow Isaiah 7:14-22 the holy spirit nor comforted will not be living in us.  Grace is to do good and evil to find their purposes as Isa 7:15-16 indicates, MK

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      ANYONE that doesn’t OBSERVE what Jesus told the apostles to tell us, is ACCURSED & not SAVED, so says Scripture! Gal 1:6-9

      MK: No. It means that if you aren't "observing" apostles, no “grace” for it is only "a gift" to those that do! Gal 1:6-9

    55. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Monica ,you can read Heb 10:12( sat down at right hand of God.)
      Rev 14:1 says
      Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion,and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads
      Only two names written

    56. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Correct, K&T, I don't see it saying Paul no place except where he wrote Gal 1:6-9. Paul appears to be more important than Yoshua to NW.  I prefer to believe the sender and not the sent is why I go to YHWH instead of Yoshua.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: "Right Hand" = metaphor = righteousness! God is SPIRIT! Rev 14:1 ONE SPIRIT!  His Name & the Name of His Father "SAME" = JESUS!  GOD who is ONE SPIRIT is His Father, entered Mary & Fathered Himself! ONE SPIRIT! Eph 4:4-6!

      Eli: Paul:

    58. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Why is "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" written? "And of" means there is a name common to all 3, YHWH is father, Yosh=YHWH in Yoshua & Yehu=YHWH in Eliyehu (Elijah). That's the name common to all 3, I go to fathe

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Not "originally" in Scripture! Research it! STUDY! Satan is "laughing!"

      "And of" means there is a name common to all 3!"  TRUE - JESUS! Jn 1:10

    60. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine your scripture does not support your words , nore does this word exist in scripture but you use it like it does,  false application , and false meaning, if this was true the Angel would say God will be born in marry . No such thing.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: When did Script become mine? Script doesn't speak "literally!" If so, u wouldn't need HS who shows "hidden mystery!" 2 Cor 4:3-4. It's our job to "STUDY" praying for revelation & not "dismiss" when told!

      Lying dominant in some but OMNI

    62. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus use the example of Noahs day to ours as people eating , drinking, marrying, till they took no notice and died in the flood so it will be during Jesus presence. So 8 souls survived a deludge on the Ark.Again only a few are believing the truth.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Who JW'S?  NOT! 
      Any cult worshiping angels (Col 2:18; Rev 22:8-9) is against Scripture! Any cult that doesn't believe Jesus is God is against Scripture(I Cor 12+MORE)!
      "UNBELIEVER" is as an atheist to GOD!
      "DEPART,I never knew u" (Matt 7:21-23)!

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    retief2000posted 3 years ago

    Every human being has been saved since the Crucifixion. It isn't about that, but about how dedicated and faithful we are to that free and unlimited salvation. It isn't incumbent upon God to save us, any more. It is incumbent upon us to be worthy of that salvation. And we can never be fully worthy of that salvation. All men fall short of the Glory of God, therefore it is Jesus who has interceded on our behalf and will present us to His Father, unless we turn our backs on Him through our sinfulness, pride and unrepentant heart. So, we are saved already; we are unworthy of that salvation, regardless of our virtue and it is through the intervention of Jesus that we may attain Heaven, Simple and Complex, Easy and Hard, no wonder we are so deeply loved and yet seem unaware of it so many times.

    1. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Also Norine who is the ministry about ? Jesus , I Know THE Difference
      In who and what  I represent. It is not about me , it is about the Heavenly Father Jehovah , and his son Jesus.
      There is no shame in that.
      And that is what matters.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      KK&T: U know the diff? What's in His Word re: your beliefs? I Pet 3:15 "..be ready ALWAYS to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you, with meekness & fear" Did you hear that? Meekness & fear! So why

    3. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The point Norine you use the bible to your advantage of words .
      To say what you want.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: I "prove" my belief with Script II Tm 3:16 says to & u should too! That's what Script is for to come to "truth" in His Word for salvation! Isn't that what it's all about? The end? To be saved? I know He put me in ur life for a reason alt

    5. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Truth is the treasure of the bible , it clarifies, it free many from traditional thinking, it gives the real hope by which we will benifit truthfully. Translations has distorted truth .helping people see
      The difference helps to live with out burden.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The HS puts people in ur life too to "free u frm traditional thinking!" Consider the Ethopian! I known I'm in ur life for a reason. All I EVER asked u to do is STUDY w/an open mind!Translations CANNOT fool the HS! I no! Study Matt 28:19&I Jn 5:7-

    7. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine I believe what  this  scripture says

      New World Translation
      Mt 28:19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,
      that is truth.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: I have asked u x&x again to STUDY the "history" of Matt 28:19 & I Jn 5:7-8! Deception is the Antichrist's job  (Jn 10:10). If F>S>HS 3 headed pagan god, why blv n something that has been "added" to Script by man Can't u "see? H

    9. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine what ever Jesus gives us by his direction in scriptures is good enough for me. I have the truth , I do not have to read any of your links
      And study your picked scriptures to say what you want, you seem mixed up, I am not.
      I wish you the best

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Jesus "gave u directions" thru the Apostles under the NC in Acts! U don't understand the NC? The HS is Jesus who spoke thru Apostles but u ignore bcuz it's not in "red!" Study HISTORY of Matt 28:19 & I Jn 5:7-8? Or do u know & refuse

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      Sinbadsailormanposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Every Human Being has the Opportunity to be Saved but Not Every Human will Accept the Grace of GOD Every SIN is Paid for and Every One Born into Human Flesh by the Way of Natural conception is Eligible To receive the Gift of Grace from the true Jesus

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Don: R we not under the New Covenant? Was it not fulfilled when The Holy Spirit came in Acts 2:2? Did HS not begin speaking thru the Apostles telling us what to do for salvation?If not doing this, not the gospel of Christ!  Gal 1:6-9;II Thess 1:7-12

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      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine exodus 3:15:says that is is name forever. Read other translations, because King James has flaws.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T:  Rem:He has lots of "adjectives," but ONE "name!"  Rem: "To get HIS WILL accomplished?" Study: www.bible.ca/jw-YHWH.htm! Do u agree? I know He has lots of "names" but we MUST consider we NOW live under NC for salvation.

    15. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine you talk but do not hear truth, find a bible other then King James , like v the standard bible , read up on Hebrew words , and stop
      Being stuck on one thing , true there is a new covenant , but you are leaving out other important truths .

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T I no the 4 Heb char known as Tetragrammaton appeared almost 7K  times in Heb but the ltr "J" doesn't exist in Grk, Heb or Latin! What say ye? Why do u use mistranslation of bible? Jn 1:1 "the word was A god?" How many r there? Trinity?

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      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine Notice Christian Greek Scriptures. At Revelation 19:1, 3, 4, 6, the divine name is embedded in the word “Hallelujah.” This comes from a Hebrew expression that literally means “Praise Jah.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Come fm OT! We don't live there anymore! Jehovah, God, YHWH, whatever u want to call Him in your lang, is "I AM" which is "ALL!" "I will become what I CHOOSE to become!"Ex 3:14 Get the point?  Script fulfilled.He's gathering the Church-JESUS

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      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine you talk but do not pay  attention my last  scripture to you,
      Explain this scripture , why  did Jesus say  it was not his to give but the
      Father.read  next verse.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Stop skipping around! I did!  It's a job just keeping up with your posts! I love it though for you are truly seeking "Truth" in His Word as Scripture says we should do!  Love!

    21. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Very clear Norine you deny Father and Son , you say these words
      You fit  what is written, That is why you do not admit to what is written
      Because you think you are above it.
      So we will not argue, and go back and forth because you want to be heard .

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: U lie! I NEVER denied "JESUS" is BOTH Father & Son in diff "GLORIES" "Simultaneously" (OMNIPRESENT)! U deny TRUTH which will be told! U can't wrap ur head around a GOD so GREAT, He can be OMNIPRESENT vs father & son! Get "Spiritual!"

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      Sinbadsailormanposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus Is GOD's Avatar HE was 4 the angels N 4 Us If 1 does not understand this concept of Father/ Son/ Holy Ghost (Spirit)  is caused by the fracture of TIME 4 Us Not Father. 1 will Never get it GOD isn't Bound by TIME or Ages GOD =1 we =3 ages P/P/F

    24. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Hi EA just was noticing your comment about Jesus fulfilled Phophesy , true Jesus fulfilled , he is the Lamb that was killed .that is why he is called a lamb , because he was the last sacrifice all humans would ever need.The price so high of his value

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Don: Jesus was God manifested in the flesh. Not by "fracture of time" ppl don't understand!  GOD is Omnipresent & used "Father & Son" term so "WE" could relate to SPIRIT in heaven & SPIRIT on earth simultaneously AND we still dont get it!

    26. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Tlmc to conclude The old testement is the basics  of many moral issues
      The understanding of right and wrong , a tutor to inform us we are sinful
      And we need to change , and that we need a cure because we sin as a disease genetically.  Jesus helped.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: I guess u have no "FAITH?" Gal 3:24-25 says "after faith comes, u don't need schoolmaster."  Why continue lowering urself spiritually?  Who needs SM when u have been sent HS? Grow "spiritually!" Sounds immature!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      So even though you do not have a paycheck yet you work out your faith you will recieve wages. And you do get paid in the end.
      Jesus, has already done his part in paying for us with value , I do not doubt anything we live it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Bon: "...until he decided to send His only begotten Son, born King himself, Jesus Christ." I Tim 3:16 "..GOD was MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH..." Proof of OMNIPRESENT!

      K&T: I KNOW U KNOW the NC, baptism, but do u KNOW JESUS IS GOD? I Tim 3:16?

      ALLE

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    Sinbadsailormanposted 3 years ago

    You Know in your Heart If you Believe as strongly as you Can believe in this world it is a consent of your own omission and  Battle to stay the course as well as you are able. to prove your faith to be true to yourself You can't lie to GOD Nor to the Son of GOD on/in this matter of If you Believe Whomsoever Believeth upon the LORD Jesus shall be Saved. Put Your Trust All of It Upon The Lord Jesus Christ and Believe Upon the Keeper of All Truth and Promises Do Your best to believe and follow the Lords Path Even If you feel You Have failed Note That the Lord Has Never Failed and None Can Pluck You From His Hand Call Upon Him and He can Reclaim you From the Pits of Hell or even from Satan's very Grasp Satan has No choice to But Obey the Master When HE SPEAKS All Do HIS Bidding Satan is Already Sentenced and Will have No Choice But to Obey When The Judgement Comes Every Knee shall Bow and Every Eye shall see and every Mouth will confess That Jesus is Lord. One Knows Not Truly That They Are Until they Are. Hence we Must endure until our end. Until the Great White Throne of Judgement comes to pass and The Lord Jesus Christ States to the father that Yes! This is one of Mine! Or  Yes I know HIM! and/Or Yes This One Now Believes in Me. Then You are Ushered Into the Presence of GOD! Until then  We can but only have Faith that The Promise is True! It is Stated By Father and Given Unto Jesus to Save! By None Other Is it given But to Jesus to Save you from Death Eternal. Which is to be Forgotten by GOD The Father and Your Very Creator. If you Can Believe In Jesus You are Saved No Doubts about It. If You Try your very Best to Believe You are Saved No Doubts about It. If You Call Upon Jesus He is Faithful to Forgive No Doubts About IT As Sure as the Sun Rises and The The Moon Follows It you can be assured that The LORD will be faithful to forgive. As sure as the Rain Bow Appears After a very  heavy Rain You can Know GOD is There and HE Keeps HIS Promises. As long as there are seasons that follow one anther you can Be sure That GOD is There and HE Keeps HIS Promises  GOD COUNTS all Truthful Attempts as Completed No Matter the outcome There is Nothing the LORD doesn't see or that was not recorded Believe the best you can and It will be good enough The KINGDOM Is JUST AND TRUE All who are worthy will be Saved All whom Ask will be saved All who accept and repent from the Sin of The former Life will be Save GOD Stated HE wills That All come to the GLORY of Salvation.

    1. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Also you say the word of God does not align with Government, 
      What is a Kingdom then, it is a Government.  Look the word up.
      You are telling people when you know so little, yet you do not want truth spoken because of your ego. Plain to see.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T U call it "ego" I call it Script Prov 281! I'm not ashamed of the gospel of Christ Rm 1:16! New heaven & earth is ALL Spiritiual & Jesus reigns! Spirit on One accord with One Mind, not like gov as we know it! Lk 17:20-21.The Spirit ru

    3. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Example your voice makes judgment about baptism,  but you do not know rather I am or not , but you voice a judgment of criticism.  You keep stating one not believing in New Covenant.  You voice wrong.
      Scriptures you use is out of context with subject

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Well, corr me! Do u blv in baptzing in Jesus' Name? Do u blv in recving the gift of the HS? Do u blv Jesus (HS) talked thru the Apostles telling us whats for salvation? I'm not ashamed of the gospel & am bold as a lion when discusing out

    5. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Simple I will answer the question I believe in Jehovah is the Father of all creation and his son Jesus was beside the Father when all things were created, even he having a part . The holy spirit is GOD'S power he uses
      in action. To get things done
      '

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: U didn't answer any of my questions? Read again! U just told me u blv there is a Father>Son>HS but didn't say they are ONE!

    7. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine I have a relationship working with my heavenly Father, 
      I have for a long time and I do not feel that you or anyone can judge that from their views,  especially not on from a computer.
      I am happy and content with the truth I know.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: U will be asked of this one day! Complacent? Reprobate mind? I Cor 2:14; Heb 5:12; I Cor 1:18

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      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Using scriptures again to say what you wish, I am happy with the the real understanding , you can consider what has been said maybe you will find truth.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: If u STDY, maybe u will find truth! .Jer 31:33;Heb8:10;10:16;How Jn 14:26;16:13; WhenActs 2:2;then they only baptzd in Jesus' name under New Cov! Script is all I have! TRUTH! Acts 17:11. Can u do that?

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      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      EA I am , is a statement name , it represents action,
      Like if I say you are I am , I am What somebody would say.
      Jehovah's name means he causes to become. True we are  humans who  have become the living with his power.
      Alive as his  creations.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: If Jehovah's name means he causes to become," (does that not mean He causes ALL to become), & did He not manifest Himself in flesh under the NAME Jesus Christ in the dispensation in which we now live? Move into the NEW Dispensation under

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      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine you are defending your opinion not explaining the scripture.
      What Does That Scripture Say , Jesus can  not do  things the  Father can, simple, Jesus  is  not the  Father,  until you can accept truth that  is spoken no need to post  to me.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Jesus was not operating (at that location but in ALL locations) in the Glory of the Father when speaking to her re:her sons. See response under tlmc! JESUS is Jehovah (becomes ALL) & is ALL! Father>Son>HS too!

    15. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine Jesus is not Jehovah , because if that was the case he could  tell them  where to sit ,he said it was not his to give.
      You refuse to accept what is written,  we can not talk based on that and prior subjects. Do not waste  your  time with  me

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: He couldn't tell in the Glory He was n at that time (Jesus Christ)! But rem Jehovah means "becomes ALL" and that's precisely what He does! IS ALL="I AM"=Jehovah=God=Jesus! ALL ONE! Stop reading the ltr & thk in Spirit not father&son

    17. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine that is just it I have always given scripture even in your case, to say this is wrong is saying scriptures are wrong .
      You are not scriptural but you are about your own teaching . SAD.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: If u don't think GOD can do anything, u r SAD! He's OMNIPRESENT & that's what u can't comprehend for ur "teachings" blocks it! What is "anything" that blocks God? Need I ask?

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      Sinbadsailormanposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      only 1 true death eternal which is 2 B forgotten of by GOD There is No New Covenant Only a Pardon or [Correction]Salvation is By GOD's Grace only jhn3:16 KJ for GOD so Loved the WORLD...He Gave His Only Begotten Son that Whosoever believe upon...HIM.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Don: Bible lied then! Jer 31:33;Heb8:10;10:16 speaks of New Covenant! Ppl say they live under grace but dont no how, when, where, it became effective! Read those scriptures & you will see what Jesus said!

    21. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Also Monica the holy spirit is not a person,  it is mention many times because it is God's active force and power , like when he sent his power the people in the room begin to speak in different languages without being educated in that language.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: How can Spirit be a "person?"  Did u notice the word Spirit?

      Jn 14:26 says the Comforter was sent IN JESUS' NAME; so Holy SPIRIT has a Name & that Name is JESUS!

      Jesus  IS NOT person but SPIRIT (OMNIPRESENT)!

      Holy Spirit has NAME (Jn

    23. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine you are mixing them up. King James Version
      Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
      Jesus is not the Father he was a first born Angelic son
      As written yes even with a Spirit body under the name Micheal.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: You continue to say "don't believe in the trinity" yet continue to use trinitarian language. Beings? Person?

      God is SPIRIT! Col 1:15 How can u be "in the image of God" who is SPIRIT? Characteristics!

      He "created" ALL even Himself!
      Fast f

  6. The0NatureBoy profile image45
    The0NatureBoyposted 3 years ago

    If we believe the teaching of Yoshua called Jesus the christ, the only way anyone would know if they are saved is to survive until the world [aka civilization] has ended (Matthew 24:13).

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: "Endureth until then end" in what though? Only in the gospel of Christ, under the New Cov not "governmental religion's" teachings nor "spin offs!" If not Jesus' doctrine, one is really "enduring until THE END!"

    2. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, Yoshua's doctrine in parables was about civilization's end, if we're not 1 of the 10 virgins we are not saved this civilization's end.  Mass salvation only happen after a civilization ends is the Bible's message.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli So,We need to "make sure" we operate "after the cross" the only way to salvation! Jer31:33;Heb8:10;10:16; HowJn14:26;16:13When Acts 2:2. Then Jesus (HS) talked thru Apostles telling us what to do for salvation! Acts 4:12!

    4. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Everyone will be saved [Raptured] someday so the question is who will be saved during this particular world end.  Only those hearing the comforter in their inward parts survives any civilization's end. The rest means nothing concerning salvation.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Following the gospel of Christ means nothing? Acts 2:42; Gal1:6-9. How will we be saved? Acts 4:12

    6. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Mt 26:24 True, the Son of man is going away, just as it is written about him, but woe to that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born.”
      Jesus Judge Judas right there.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Why do skip around? Judas CANNOT save us! Jn 21:22 . Did u STUDY the HISTORY of those Scriptures? Matt 28:19 & I Jhn 5:7-8? Stop evading the issue - Salvation!

    8. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine we will depart here in peace. I never hear you agree to nothing posted from scriptures .you are one way  and can not interact , you want to tell people what to believe and do. Jesus was not that way.
      He wanted us to think as he asked questions

    9. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine what ever Jesus tell me and to do is not by your command
      That I do . So We are finished. I am finished posting to you
      Take care.you post to me again I will not respond.  Peace to you.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Eph 1:18-19

    11. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      You may follow other man if you so desire, I will obey the comforter no matter the cost.  It has provided me Joy and peace surpassing all understanding to do so therefore I will continue to be comforter led and not man's gospel.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: How can u call the NC "man made?" Does anyone care Christ died?  Didn't He Promise NC? Jer 31:33;Heb8:10;10:16Didnt He send Comforter to do this?Jn14:26:16:13 Sent n Acts 2:2."Man" didnt write this! Study for rev fm Comforter! Or Gal 1:6-9-Lost

    13. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The comforter is within us, if we are not following the comforter within we are following man.  That's how I call the new covenant man made, it doesn't come from the comforter within where gods law is written.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Are u calling THE WORD OF GOD (Jer & Heb's) "Promise" of a New Covenant man-made? Blasphemy! U better let it "sink in" because IT IS WRITTEN! II Thess 1:6-9!

    15. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      No, the new covenant is written I'm everyone's heart where the comforter operates.  The new covenant is being led from within rather than from without. I've been experiencing that since August 6, 1967, my new birthdate.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: What did Jer & Heb say? "Written in mind & put in heart" as  Jesus did w/Apostles telling them to tell us what to do for salvation. They cont'd Jesus' mission (the gospel of Christ) via the Holy Spirit which IS Jesus' Doctrine! Read:Gal

    17. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, is your mind or heart external?

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: U better ck ur "Comforter" for if it doesn't align w/the Word of God it's Satan! The NC IS the Word of God! Do not be complacent! Study! Grow in your spiritual journey! 2 Pet 3:18

    19. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      If satan can give me the peace and joy  I have, I prefer to be aligned with satan than to be living a dissatisfied life.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Do u know "the wiles of the devil?"  Peace & joy are not limited (Jn 10:10)! Following what IS WRITTEN should be your concern & not YOUR emotional state (mind)! Otherwise; you have been deceived!

    21. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      If you are a "newly born" nomad (Jn 3:8) you understands what I said, if not you don't.  God is the devil to the world and the devil is god to the world with his money, wars, deception, misinformation  (Rev 12:15) and stuff world man depends on.

    22. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      EA , Lets NOT Mix The Heavenly Father
      With the acts of Satan , for now he is the ruler of this system
      But Jesus had assures us  Joh 14:30 I shall not speak much with YOU anymore, for the ruler of the world is coming. And he has no hold on me,

    23. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T, satan only means opposer and since high opposes low (Isa 55:8-9) god  opposes the world and vice versa, thus, god is satan to the world and the world is satan to god.  Why are the godly are "called out of the world"?  So we stop opposing god

    24. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      EA we would not want to use a word God uses for satan the fallen Angel , to use for God Almighty.
      Example just because some body kills animals for food , would I call them a killer
      Or murder
      Because it can be misunderstood you are a hunter for food

    25. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Jehovah, as called in English means "I AM THAT I AM" meaning god doesn't mind being the opposition to the world since the world is god's opposition. Why'd he say his thoughts and ways are above man's. Because I AM THAT I AM and don't care.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli:Don't get your "peace, joy & comforter" confused with Satan's "peace, joy & comforter" when it comes fm not blving The Word (NC)!  A "strong delusion" can be sent from Satan (unblvr) which would have u blv it is the Christ!The Word doesn'

    27. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine notice God’s name at Mark 12:29, 30 in the Hawaiian-language translation of 18 16 There are many translations that use his name in greek, because times and clergy has drop the use , but will have to account for it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Give me your def on Jehovah? What does that name mean? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Jehovah mean God?

    29. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, Jehovah is the name god is to be known by forever and every name has a meaning. It's meaning is I AM THAT I AM.

    30. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks EA you have posted truth. I appreciate you for that.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli:That's what God told Moses He was "I AM THAT I AM" & K&T def is "Becomes ALL" which basically means the same thing to me>"ALL" or whatever or Whoever He wishes to be to get HIS WILL accomplished! With OT being fulfilled, His Name also:

    32. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, That is also the meaning of YHWH.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Yes! Then why disagree over name?  Jehovah, God, YHWH, all of those is What He is but not Who He is! If God is "I AM" & "Becomes ALL," how is it that He is not Jesus but only a Son? Is He not the SAME SPIRIT? Where is God based on Matt 28:18

    34. tlmcgaa70 profile image73
      tlmcgaa70posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW. GOD says do not strive over words, yet you seem to relish doing just that. you twist what is said, and do not make vry good sense in anything you say. thnk about tht, please, and obey GOD, quit arguing. you're not making a good example for CHRIST

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      tlmc: Scripture tells me to "prove" my belief! II Tim 3:16. II Tim 2:14 "strive not about words to NO PROFIT, but to the subverting of the hearers." Word is of no profit? U call it arguing I call it II Tim 3:16! Not sup to "make sense" to unblvr!

    36. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, I AM THAT I AM means one can't judge me by any of man's "judgmental adjectives" because to use either adjective of a pair means you do not see the whole picture.  Objective observing, participating and reasoning is the only way to see the whole.

    37. tlmcgaa70 profile image73
      tlmcgaa70posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, how are you supposed to subvert the hearer to GODs Word when you sound like a ranting, schizophrenic? you sound like my schizo sister when she is on drugs and off her meds. u psh ppl away, not brng thm to GOD...is that what you want?

    38. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Tim, NW is talking about proving what he believes but if he did he would find substance and evidence to support his beliefs (Heb 11:1) and the only way to do that is to be objective by living John 3:8 which he isn't willing to do. He's  speculates.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      tlmc: They called Jesus a drunk; they called the disciples "full of new wine," How am I any diff when teaching goes against what the world's been taught? Drunk, strange, weird? I'd imagine! Guess what? ALL sound the same to me!

    40. tlmcgaa70 profile image73
      tlmcgaa70posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, you are not CHRIST, nor an apostle. you are not even biblical. you are delusional. there are better ways to witness than ranting in a confused manner. think about that.

    41. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      How is NW different? Yoshua performed what few people can, you DO NOT. The decibels spoke in the birth languages of everyone in Jerusalem, you DO NOT.  Don't you see a difference? Think others CAN'T? The 2nd christ fulfills Rev 5:12 to be recognized.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Tlmc&Eli: Until u come to the realization that "I AM" is ALL, F>S>HS included whose name is JESUS, & u should only baptz in Jesus' name you will not  understand! Until then,cont as u are!

    43. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      What is Jesus' name to baptize in?  What does his name mean that we should baptize in it?  You have all the world's teachings but saying "baptize in the name of Jesus" does no make sense when we do no know its meaning.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Jesus is God! What do u mean u do not know His Name's meaning?  U say u r filled w the Holy Spirit? I'm not following you! What "world teachings?" Gal 1:12. U don't liive "after" NC in the new dispensation? Acts 2:42?

    45. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Are you saying Jesus and Jehovah are the same word or have the same meaning?  I asked you what is Jesus' name. It's Yoshua meaning "almighty god saves" and is the reason for Mat 1:21.

    46. tlmcgaa70 profile image73
      tlmcgaa70posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, there is GOD, the Father. HIS Holy Spirit, and CHRIST HIS Son. they are three entities, yet joined in one by a common purpose...the Will of GOD the Father. if thy were just one entity, then why did GOD the Fathr place CHRIST the Son at HIS right?

    47. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Tlmc do not get  frustrated with Norine she has this habit that she never admits what is truth in the scriptures. I am still waiting for her to explain why the son can not do what the Father can, she has ignored that completely

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Tlmc: “Symbolic!”  (Ex: Ps 16:8) Look “Spiritually!” K&T: The world looks “literally!”  Different “Roles” SAME “Spirit!” (Is 43:11;45:5-6).

      "OMNIPRESENT!"

      Isn't He in you and I and others who believe?

    49. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      In a family say Father and a son play their roles as well but they are not attached in the same body,they may even share the same name but they are separate  Since there are many son's of Angels God does not have a problem creating. Jesus is separate

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T:Will u pls stop looking at Jesus as father & son?We're talking about the ALMIGHTY GOD!No we are not a spirit;but have the Spirit, if IN Christ Jesus! We are not OMNIPRESENT as He! Analogy wrong! Can't compare! THE SPIRIT IS "ONE"! Diff "R

    51. tlmcgaa70 profile image73
      tlmcgaa70posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, why does CHRIST teach us to pray "to the Father" and not to HIM? we are to pray in HIS name...not to HIM.  read John 5:19 and John 8:28. HE clearly distinguishes between HIMSELF and GOD the Father.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      T: Don't u know God is a Spirit who manifested Himself in the flesh? Jesus was there fm beginning! Who else got into Mary? JESUS! Who remained in heaven? JESUS! Who is Alpha & Omega? JESUS! Who is that ONE Spirit? JESUS! Eph 1:17-21."the Father o

    53. tlmcgaa70 profile image73
      tlmcgaa70posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, i give up. i am done trying to reason with you. you have blinders on and no one can make you see reason. i pray someday GOD will open your eyes. good bye.

    54. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, Yoshua isn't Rev 1:14-15s Alpha & Omega but the Branch from Jesse's Root. Jesus is a pseudonym for 2 messiah, Yoshua the Rod and Elijah the Branch (Exo 4 6-8, Isa 7:14-22, Isa 11:1-12 & Mat 17:5)  that & Mat 12:40 & Rev 5:5 &

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Tlmc: Don't give up! Prove your "hope" for tomrw! I Thess5:21 Eli: If Jesus said He is "Alpha & Omega," who r u to revert THE SPIRIT to a "physical" being? Prob: The world "looks literally!"

    56. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Yes the Pseudonym Jesus is used as the speaker but Jesus represents 2 different messiahs, NW.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: What 2 diff messiahs? Is there more than ONE God? What bible r u reading? What is His name today since Jesus is a pseudonym name?

    58. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Go back to my post just before the last one and read the verses in it and you will see, if you are spirit led and not religion led.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: What spirit leads u to defy Script? Fictitious name defies Matt 1:20-21; Lk1:31? Yes, He' "ALL" but His Name is JESUS!  This is SCRIPTURE - This is TRUTH!

    60. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The same spirit which directed Israel to defy "you shall not kill" then turn around and have them to kill girls, boys, children and animals out of Canaan land.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: HE is GOD! If it was HIS WILL who r u to argue? Is 43:10-13!

    62. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Then, why do you ask me "What spirit leads u to defy Script" when we are led by the same one?

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Same One but diff Levels. I live "AFTER" Day of Pentecost, as instructed, as I've been trying to tell "ALL" we should do IF Christians & want to be saved. The "Promise" has been fulfilled & we are NOW under New Covenant (Grace&Truth)

    64. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The finial covenant is to become one of Isaiah 7:22 by following the example of the virgin;s child in 7:14.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: I don't know what spirit u r being led by? The bible said New Covenant (LAST ONE) Jesus made before ascending into heaven in Acts! Now, why dont u live by this? It's the LAST One!  Its the One in which an example of THE CHURCH was estab!

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      @ Norine and Elijah,

      Have you considered the possibility that the bible has been intentionally altered by people with... Less than perfect... Intent? I see you trying to reach eachother but caught up in semantics.

      William is my middle name btw

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Wm: No matter how many x's "intentionally altered" by man, facts: He came, He died, He left New Covenant w/Holy Spirit to "lead & guide us!"  My question: Why don't ALL follow NC which He died for?

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I've died before too. Does that make a difference?

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Wm: Now I know we're speaking two diff languages!  Who are u? Are u GOD? FACTS:  He came, He DIED, He left NC to follow!  QUESTION: Why don't we?

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Check out psalm 82:6

      We are not all following the same anything because of the way the truth has been handled for a very long time. There's no saving souls from eternal damnation. Only saving from people treating this kingdom as hell. My opinion.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Wm: No "eternal damnation?" Mk 16:16; Jm 1:21-25! Back to QUESTION: Why aren't WE living as directed under the New Covenant? The example of THE CHURCH is written in Acts! Not my opinion, but His Word!

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, I'll put it this way... As much as I'd rather not. I am not God. I am the alpha and omega. If you would like to help me bring our Father's house to order, continue spreading the word. I can teach you more effective methods if you like.

    73. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      JTP, The Bible was altered but not knowing the meaning of the symbols it didn't change the message for students of it.  NW, The NC is Isa 7:14-22, those to be left upon this earth will have followed the virgin's son's way of life, we don't know him.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Wm:  Not MY Alpha & Omega.  Explain. Eli: What r u talking about is in Is? I'm talking New Covenant: The ONE HE DIED for! Why are u not up to that point (The New Dispensation) in Scripture where He left us?

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      As you wish.

    76. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, you are a NT person who don't understand the OT prophecies so how can we communicate?  You are regretting what man teach without validating experiences, I'm talking experience verified Comforter teachings, u don't understand spiritual doctrine.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Wm: U didnt explain! Eli: You cant "live" under both "law" (OT) and "grace & truth" (NT) simultaneously (Galatians)! The prophets "told" of HIS coming but HE came, DIED, & sent us Holy Spirit!  NC teaching is when HS came us(Acts 2:2)! Why go

    78. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I am living by neither of those laws and I sand nothing about law, YOU DO NOT COMPREHEND OT PROPHECIES which keeps you from understanding the Bible's message.  OT prophecy are repeated in the NT so you are living a law and not spirit revealed grace.

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      To answer your question, Norine, the New Teatament prophecies were fulfilled by the Holy Roman Catholic church which ruled for a thousand years. THAT guy is ITCHING to retire. I know him personally. He's my master.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: NEW COVENANT is NOT LAW! (Read Galatians) OT PROPHESIES were fulfilled when Jesus came, DIED, & left Holy Spirit under NC of grace & truth! You CAN NOT live under spirit revealed grace if not under NC! @Wm: Sounds like "he" is your maste

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Exactly. How little you understand about where you are.

    82. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NT, why is Revelation 5:5 & 12 not fulfilled, they are also OT prophecy? YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND OT PROPHECY, you accepts what someone told you concerning them. Spirit led self study is the only way prophetic TRUTH are revealed to anyone.

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I was wondering how long it would take you to correct me Elijah :-) I'll say this about 'new age' stuff. It came from ouija boards. Does that help?

    84. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I did not know that about new age doctrine, JTP, but is just as much a misinterpretation of prophecy as all organized groups calling themselves church - called out from - make of the prophecies.

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      From the intelligence I've gathered, if you play with Ouija boards long enough, you'll be talking to fallen angels. Perhaps lucifer himself. They'll say anything to keep people in malkuth for another cycle. That's what I hear anyway

    86. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I've been around the boards but never played with it so I know nothing about them.

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I did once. Once. I was with someone who was a MYSTERY to me at the time. The same person I told you became violently ill when I touched them. The board immediately went to a fallen angel. I'm sure you understand what I just told you, Sir.

    88. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I understand Bro. Sir is about a class system which I do not respect.  The board I observed I believe went into a wood burner later, what I would have done with the one you used.

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      That is where they belong. I've also been told to break them and pour salt on them. And excuse the Sir- when in Rome, as they say. Respect was the intent, regardless, Bro

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Why concern urself w/Rev & Jesus opening Scroll when we dont know how to get there? Again, LIVE NOW in the dispensation that Jesus told us to live in according to how its to be done under NC! That's what He DIED for!Wm: The SAME applies to u

    91. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, what nation is 5% of world population but consuming 40% of world products (Rev 18:15)? The USA meaning I'm living in the now being a wise (Dan 12:10) virgin getting extra oil to survive world termination by following Isa 7:14-22, a Jon 3:8 task.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: U are living in "physical" era! I'm trying to tell u what Scripture says about the "spiritual" NOW we r living in trying to get to Heb 6:1-3 for SALVATION! He DIED, left instructions, & we still don't follow! Why? Every man for himself?

    93. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      You are correct, NW, you are not following his instructions like me, you are not born again, not a new creation, not led by the comforter and so many more thing written you become when you follow Yoshua the anointed's instructions.

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      What I've been shown is a world where the best liars win. I suck at lying. I only care about comforting and liberating others yet am taken advantage so much it HURTS me. This is why I am so guarded and elusive. I specialize in peace and healing.

    95. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      JTP, Peace is forged by the sword of wisdom, it cut away lies and misinformation bringing "truth seekers" to peace.  One having that sword uses it at all times, usually the results are meant for onlookers, not the opposition.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Who cares about me? What did HIS INSTRUCTIONS say? He DIED, left instructions, you ignore! Who's not following instr if not living under what He DIED for-NC? What HS do u have if not following that? @Wm: If u care,  study HIS WORD & do NC!

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I HAVE. More of his words than you know about. I have performed miracles. I have healed. I have raised the dead. I am raised from the dead. And I care about you so much I want YOU to know the truth. But you're so certain of the lie I can't help you

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Wm: Who cares about u? Not about YOU or I!  Gifts r w/o repentance! BIBLE SAYS we are NOW under NC for SALVATION! Jer 31:33;Heb8:10;10:16! Why call it a lie? Blasphemy!

    99. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      John 3:3-8 I've completed, Mat 28:19-20 I've begun, Mat 19:29-30 done, Mat 6:24-34 stopped, Mat 7:1 stopped and many other of his teachings have I done so which ones am I missing?  Those taught by Paul as he diverted from Yoshua's teachings?

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Did JESUS not say HE WOULD "put His laws in their minds, & write them in their hearts" in Jer & Heb? Why r u calling Paul/Paul when Jesus said HE would tell Paul & others what to do & say? Is Jesus not telling u what to say or do

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Who cares about me indeed...

      I will say this: it wasn't supposed to rain yesterday, but a severe storm popped up out of nowhere and followed me around. Then I got a message from God. It wasn't good.

      Sorry, Norine. I am only the messenger.

    102. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Nw, In Acts 4:1 the decibels are told to wait on the father's comforter, verse 8 it's called Holy Spirit [ghost is written], John 14:16 he promised the father's comforter and in 26 also, that's what's written in our hearts and inward parts.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Wm: I care if ALL r not Lost but it doesn't matter what YOU OR I say in comparison to what the WORD OF GOD says is the point! For SALVATION, one MUST live according to New Covenant spoken of in Jer 31:33; Heb 8:10;10:16!
      IT IS WRITTEN!

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      What is written is meaningless compared to what is spoken by God. He has spoken. Have you not ears to hear? More from Jeremiah: has the house which bears my name become a den of thieves? I have been watching declares the Lord.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Wm: If your belief contradicts the WORD OF GOD, it's a LIE! Jesus DIED and left NC to get back to HIM but ALL don't have "ears!"  Do u live under NC?  Research how it became effective & u will find TRUTH! Not religion!

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      If living under the New Covenant allows what I have seen to take place, I will wipe and flush with what is written. If you'll excuse me, I have toilets to fix. I work for a living. Not for money... I just like to be of service. But not to everybody.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Like "most" you've never heard of NC teachings or at least don't "live" by it so I'm sure you've never "seen" it! What "they" teach IS only worth flushing!  Study how, when, where New Covenant became eff & let me know!   

      Have a great day!

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      If you point me in the direction, I will review what you speak of and get back to you. I've been shown many things, but that which promotes honesty and integrity appeals to me. What leads to involuntary servitude does not.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Wm: Again(What)NC "Promised" in Jer 31:31-33, Heb 8:10:10:16. How "write?" Jn 14:26; 16:13! When "Promise" fulfilled? Acts 2:2 Day of Pentecost & began "writing" on apostles' hearts telling us what's necessary for SALVATION! If u find anything di

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I'll level with you. I don't know why people are taking my opinions so seriously. It's been creeping me out for years. People keep telling me I'm 'the one' and I don't even know what that means or what to do about it. I like it here, but I struggle.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Wm: I knew you weren't serious when you were talking "randomly!"  I knew "he" was your master! This is "serious!" Eternal!

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      If you say so. Thanks for pointing out that new covenant of yours. It's all crystal clear to me now.

    113. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I've heard of it, NW, but disagree since I am spirit guided.  The way you talk you may have heard of being spirit guided but don't live it, so we're at an impasse. My hand is on the plow and I will not look back, is your hand on it?

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: If it wasn't for the NC u would not have that "spirit" u say u have for it was part of the pkg deal of the NC! How can u have it when u don't agree that He sent it even after reading it in the Word of God? @Wm:I guess u didnt read those Script?

    115. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I disagree with those claiming to live it, NW, not the contents. The claimers don't have testimony of the spiritual birth (Ron 1:20), required to hear the Comforter.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Stop "judging "& "STUDY" the Word of God which "testifies of Itself!" U say u live under Grace & have HS sent via NC, then do as it says! I Pet 3:21. Paul was in Jesus' stead & told us what to do to be SAVED!

    117. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      MW, Psa 1 say I'm to meditate day and night on god's law, I can't do that unless I have nothing to care for (Mat 9:28-29) and that has made me so that what I teach will prosper, as time will soon tell.

    118. tlmcgaa70 profile image73
      tlmcgaa70posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW; you keep saying CHRIST "died" (putting emphasis on DIED) not once have you gone on to say HE rose. HIS death was only part of the story, not THE story. also, it is not possible to understand the NT without first learning and understanding the OT.

    119. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      To tlmc. Very true about the old testement as example a person that is in the profession of nursing went through  training, I am most sure that nursing has basics no matter when you succeed to pass requirements
      But what ever year there were upgrades

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: HS puts His laws in our hearts not OT law!What the Word teach?T: He SUFFERED for us & no one cares! OT Jesus Concealed/NT Jesus revealed!K&T: Gal 3:24-25! U have no "faith?"

    121. tlmcgaa70 profile image73
      tlmcgaa70posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW; enough is enough already, it does not matter what anyone says, you twist what is said and argue it to death. you are accomplishing NOTHING, except to make people hate "Christians" all the more for being so argumentative. is that what you want?

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      T: When 1 is complacent, its unChristlike! I give Scripture for EVERYTHING said! Not for ALL to "see!" II Cor 4:3-6. You call it "arguing," I call it II Tim 3:16. Doesn't matter about "people" for they can't SAVE!

    123. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, I've given different scriptures in support of what I've continued to say and you ignore them. Tim is correct, you make most people hate Christians but people like you to me is like pumping iron to become stronger and maybe inspire observers.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: U cant give me a scripture that defies scripture which tells us we are NOT under NC of grace & truth. The Word doesn't contradict Itself or Lie!

      Yes, ppl do hate "true" Christians as did Saul! The Word "cuts" when one is complacent! Heb 4:

    125. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The scriptures defies themselves. Genesis 1:1-2:3 is denied by 2:4-3:24.  "Thou shall not kill" is defied by instructing Israel to kill all boys, girls, children and animals out of Canaan.  Justify that if you will.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Since you can't justify your beliefs, you ask "me" to justify why GOD does "HIS WILL?"

      Now I no you "missed the message" in Scripture! 

      Is 43:13 says He is GOD (not u & ur twisted beliefs), He "will work, & who will hinder it?

      JUST

    127. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Being metaphors I can justify all of the seeming contradictions, HS has shown me how.  Self centered material minded man always believe spiritual understanding is twisted, you just gave more proof of your lack of the New Birth.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: If ur hs DID NOT tell u that we "NOW" live under NC of grace & truth, it gives proof that u do not have the HS for it goes "against" what He came & DIED for (shed blood for rem of sins/sent HS to help us), sent you HS but who cares?
      Gal

    129. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      You have nothing new to say so leave it alone, repetition is boring and I will not reply to anything else that says NOTHING NEW.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: The WORD is repetitive! The Gospels?

      If u don't respond to HIS WORD & do as He came, DIED, left instructions for us thru Paul (Acts 9:15) & sent HS under NC to help us "Let him be accursed" Gal 1:6-9!

    131. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Also nature where has the bible said you would die or have died for many sins. JESUS already has paid  the bill  you can not pay for all humans

    132. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      KT, Matthew 12:39 reads "'An' evil and adulterous generation" which means a time other than his.  Revelation 5:12 is not about Yoshua as it takes place after the Laodicean church's age per Revelation 4:1.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: "...you can not pay for all humans." Did u mean HE did not ...?"  (Unblvrs) If one does not blv in what He died for, they were not paid for!  Eli: Why speak of Rev when most don't no how to get there?
      ________________________________________

    134. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, Why believe a part of something and not the whole?  Where's Yosha's seed? Isa 43:5 "I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west & 53:10 "when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed"?

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli:I thought we were talking "Salvation" here? I give Scriptures regarding "Salvation" & u chg subject! Why?
      Prophesies regarding things "to come" & "have come" are in Scripture!

      We are the "seed" of "Yoshua called Jesus the Christ!"
      Yet

    136. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, I've not changed the subject, divide things and be conquered by ignorance, integrate things and become the wise conquerer, salvation requires one to become wise (Dan 12:10).

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli:II Tim 2:15 "..rightly DIVIDE the Word.." There r "diff dispensations" in Script! Why do u not believe n what Jesus came & DIED for? Did Christ DIE in VAIN? How could u rec HS if He didnt send in Acts (2:2)? If you blv this, why not the rest?

    138. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      MW No one can correctly divide truth unless they are directed by HS. Jesus died because the world rather darkness over the light of understanding which he said himself (Jon 3:19), so it wasn't in vain.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli:He also said Jn 3:20!Why did Jesus make a NC if not important?Why send HS under NC if not imp?Why give "grace" if not imp?Everything He "Promised" & did for OUR dispensation,u refuse to accept?U dont blv Acts 9:15-16? Disciples did Acts 2:42!

    140. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Grace gives one the right to do both evil and good (Isa 7:15-16) to find their purposes, that is what I am doing so how am  I not living the new covenant?  I'm showing you what the grace Yoshua lived & I'm living and I don't accept it?

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: If DENY that JESUS was speaking thru Paul & we should NOT do as the disciples did (Acts 2:42), then Gal 1:6-9. U said u would follow Jesus but not Paul when JESUS was speaking thru Paul so IT WAS Jesus & not the disciples speaking in NT!

    142. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Paul said 1 Cor 7:6 "I speak this by permission, and not of commandment" suggesting everything he said did not come from christ who said "I do what I see my father do."  See the difference?

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Did Paul not say "THIS" (pertaining to marriage which has also been misinterpreted) in I Cor 7:6?  Yes, but he let us know didn't he?  Did he not say in II Cor 7:2 "..I have defrauded no man..."  He let us no when "commanded" or not!  Jesus spok

    144. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      If he did it once that he told us about then he did it more than once.  Having told us he did something once by permission does not limit his doing it more than once so he still would not be "defrauding" anyone, saying it once eliminates it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: U thk he LIED? The WORD is a LIE? Rev 21:14 speaks of 12 foundations w/apostles' names! R we not to build on that foundation? If lie, why build? Did Matt 28 tell us to "OBSERVE" apostles? If lie, why "OBSERVE?"

    146. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Rev 21 is a spiritual civilization where man don't recognize their bodies like we don't recognize our spirits in this 1 (v4) so those apostles will be from that civilization, they will not those who were in this one.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: R u saying the apostles didnt recog the HS (Jesus) as we dont? What? That makes Jer & Hebs a LIE! He wrote laws in their hearts! Didnt recog?

    148. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Can your eyes see your spirit? No! This is a material civilization.  Rev 21:4 say those people will not see their bodies, that will be a spiritual one is why post millennium the unsaved reincarnates per Rev 20:5.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: "SEE?"  NO ONE "sees" Spirit but "feels, hears & communicates" w/the HS as did the apostles which told them what to tell us necessary for Salvation! If one is filled w/HS, they'd KNOW this! Material civilization only to those not "filled!"

    150. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The Rev 21 man will not feel pain, no births, deaths (v4) and no sun (v 23), 1 Cor 15:45 the second messiah (Adam) is "made a quickening spirit" so those man born in Rev 20:5 will be spiritual man and not flesh man for the new world.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Revelation is "inevitable!"  IF we want to get there (no pain,etc.), we must do as "commanded" & "OBSERVE" the disciples!  Otherwise, we'll not get there!

      Dont stay "complacent!" II Cor 3:18-We chg (understanding) fm "glory to glory!" Is HS

    152. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Any end time surviver [saved per Isa 7:22 & Mat 17:13] must become a wise virgin and get extra soil [survival skills without depending on things man has made] since Eden symbolizes the 7 millenniums between Rev 21, no others survives Rev 16:14.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: If one doesn't live according to the "Gospel of Christ," they won't have to worry about anything "joyful" promised in Revelation!  Gal 1:6-9!  "ACCURSED!"

    154. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, You know the words Yoshua spoke but don't comprehend their meanings and don't realize I've been writing the doctrine ha'meshiach proclaimed.  You do not have "ears to hear what the spirit have to say" not being spiritually born.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: What "spirit" goes "against" the Word of God?  Did Jesus not come, DIED, sent HS to help us & asked us to "OBSERVE" the apostles? Do we not NOW live under NC-Grace & Truth? U Cont to speak of thgs to come & past, not NOW!  Explain wh

    156. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I told you like Yoshua told Peter (Mat 16:23), you are satan to the gospel taught by Yoshua ha'meshiach, yet you want to know what goes against the gospel of christ? Yours!  His death and resurrection didn't come from, to be "gospel of," Yoshua.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Only HS can reveal! I did not call Paul's teachings "the gospel of Christ," Gal 1:6-9 did which came fm HS (Jesus)! Is this not n Script? Script LIED? U call what I repeated fm Script "Satan?" God's Word? II Tim 3:16

    158. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, I have YHWH's "law in [my] inward parts, and in [my] heart" and it has told me to inform you you are not reading your heart nor inward parts but man's tractional doctrines and teachings.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: If "I" were speaking against Script, I'd agree! But ALL Script given fm Bible! We NOW live under NC w/Jer & Heb eff via HS who wrote on apostles' hearts & minds giving US instr for SALVATION! Deny & Gal 1:6-9!

      What man? Who teaches

  7. word55 profile image69
    word55posted 3 years ago

    It isn't possible to know that one is saved because it is a day to day challenge to walk and talk the straight and narrow way. I consider myself to be an upright Christian although, I enjoy amusing people with my writing, poetry and music. Well, one night I recently, I had a (close to wet) dream. I had no inkling of why or where that came from. That was a freaky thing... I pray and read scriptures every morning before I start my day. Nobody is guaranteed a safe passage through life because it depends on the decisions made every day, every hour, every moment and every second of time and the best chance of being saved is through commitment to God and Christ. All decisions made must be righteous just to hope to get saved. On the other hand, if one does wrong or sin continuously then one will likely not get saved.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      We have to get to know what the "Will of the Lord" is before we can begin to walk upright! What decisions? It's His way or no way! Then u know u r in Him & saved!

    2. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      To Norine the crown of life is only given if you prove faithful to death.
      Or whatever test satan will cause you to answer to.
      Like Judas his weakness was money satan used him and his weakness against Jesus and the Heavenly Father.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: "Faithfulness" in what? If pagan doctrine, nothing! Satan is not the Word of God which I have only given! Let's not discuss Judas for he confessed & repented & someone had to be used to fulfill Script! Jn 21:22

    4. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine Judas volunteered to be used for that betrayal, the religious leaders already plotted to kill Jesus and Phophesy would happen based on that alone. But the bible says Lu 22:3 Then Satan entered into Judas,
      Judas had a good heart from the start

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Judas didn't volunteer. He was told to "go quickly" by Jesus who "allowed" Satan to enter! What does that have to do w/salvation?Jn 21:22  Study the "history" of those Scriptures Matt 28:19 & I Jn 5:7-8!

    6. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      EA , those scriptures you have to remember was written during the time of the first Deciples,  these would be first pics of the Heavenly Government, 
      They can not be fleshly and work in heaven
      They would have to have spirit bodies.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Word:  I John 5:13!  "...that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life..."  We "know!"

    8. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Anglo-America
      Daniel 2:33, 41-43
      1914-1918 C.E. During World War I, Anglo-American World Power comes into being
      This is valid history not just in the bible but in our history books as well, today we live in  the Anglo American world powers.  Truth!

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T:  If saved, you know what to do! For He "SEES ALL!"

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      MonkeyShine75posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, you may have faith that you will be saved in this minute, but that's all
      These people probably thought they were saved too Matt 7
      22 .. Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I guess I John 5:13 LIED!  "... that ye may KNOW that you have eternal life..."  You may not KNOW but I do in this minute & always! For I do His will according to "rightly divided" Scripture!  Not "religion!"

  8. tlmcgaa70 profile image73
    tlmcgaa70posted 3 years ago

    if you came to me and were desperate for a job, and i told you that i would hire you, all you had to do was fill out an application. would you know what you needed to do to get that job? og course, i made it clear that you would get the job once you followed my instructions, once you filled out an application. in the same way it is possible for a person to know if they are saved or not, because CHRIST spells out the steps to salvation in HIS Holy Word.  Peter, when asked what could be done, responded...repent and be baptized. repenting allows us to be forgiven, Baptism allows us to be saved. our actions after show whether or not we truly repented, and whether or not we got baptized for the right reason, understanding why baptism is needful. if one is truly saved, they will live in obedience to the will of GOD, and to HIS commandments. "if you love ME, keep MY commandments." obedience is not works but the result of our love, the reflection of our love for GOD. saying the so called sinners prayer will not get you saved. but, obedience will...without obedience one will not follow CHRISTs instructions on what one needs to do to be saved.

    1. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      So true and to the point tlmc. That is a key to the whole subject obedience of instructions , like a famous recipe , if we go off the list doing it our way , we will not get the same exact return of the dish. But we could end up with a failed dish.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      timc: Amen! "Obedience is NOT works" but following the Holy Spirit who "put laws in our hearts, & write in our mind." Peter said "Repent, & be baptzd n Jesus' Name" not F>S>HS! It does make a difference for we live AFTER THE CROSS!

    3. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Also Tlmc, you certainly are correct about obedience, because at King James Version
      Heb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T:  He was "obedient" to Himself! If you could "see" the allegory of the Father &Son, not father & son,u  would understand! We should "obey" the Holy Spirit which "leads & guides us into ALL truth!" Who do u want to lead u? The Holy

    5. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Also Norine you are stuck on this one thing that confuses you , the king James uses Lord and God and applies mostly to Jesus. Yet he does acknowledge God 's rightful name. You can do some research on bible's and the King James Version please do.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: I have! Jesus came to "fulfill" law & "nowhere" is the name "Jehovah" found in "ANY" translations of the New Testament not even Hebrew! You worship under the "law" which was fulfilled under (NC)! Come on now! Grow! Nxt sacrifices?

    7. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Because King James  deleted it , but he did leave it in four  places,  Ps 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH,Isaiah 26:4 Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH, Isaiah 12 :2 ,Exodus 6:3,
      Newer translations

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Jehovah is "I AM" which means "ALL!" We now live under the NC in which JESUS (Jehovah) is now gathering the Church! Let's get ready!

    9. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Mt 20:23He said to them: “YOU will indeed drink my cup, but this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.”
      Explain why the son can not do what  Father can

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Do u know that Christ was "in the world" subjected to evil! Has His Spirit that remained in heaven done so? That's why THE SPIRIT that has never been "in the world" is Greater! If Jesus is not God, where is God? (Matt 28:18) Asleep?

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      tlmcgaa70posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, you infer that CHRIST was tainted by evil because HE was born into the flesh. that does not agree with scripture, that says CHRIST was the final sacrificial lamb, without spot or blemish. perfect. to say otherwise makes HIS sacrifice to no effect

    12. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I think you bring out some very good points and answers , but I did catch one thing ,Holy spirit as entity,No, In the scripture you gave
      Notice the  holy spirit is not in a seat,  holy spirit is power by which he get things done and he can share it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      T: Do you know what “subjected to” means – “exposed to!”  I did not say He “did” it!  I’m not that “skitzo!” lol!  Christ did die in vain though; if you don’t believe what scripture says we should do “After The Cross!”

    14. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Ro 10:2 For I bear them witness they have a zeal for God; but not according to accurate knowledge;1Jo 2:22 Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one that denies the Father and the Son.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Bcuz u've been "taught" your way & complacent doesn't make it right!Gal 1:12 I never called u Satan!Why do u cont?U r not willing to chg "fm glory to glory" as He did! Complacency has "no place" in Christ! II Cor 3:18;4:3-6. JESUS is GOD

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Look- whatever I am to you, this is where I am. I'm in this body which has the same lusts and desires as you. I haven't followed all the commandments either. Josh.wilkerson@me.com is my email

      I do like hearing from people. I'm most pleasant 1 on 1

    17. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Josh he paid up by experiencing death for many  that means that many will not have to experience death in these last days.
      And if you do die you can return here to live again,many loved ones will return but when the earth is cleaned up with new homes

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Wm: Is this now a "dating" site? We're talking JESUS & u "lust!" Totally opposite!  No thanks! Go to WORK as stated earlier! You're not interested in SALVATION from "eternal damnation" only salvation from "lust!"

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      Monique Kaibatposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      This is true but I just want to clarify something. Baptismal is not the one that can save, but Jesus. It is written in John 14:6 Jesus said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. Only Jesus can save.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Mon: I Pet 3:21! He only saves those "who does His will" not something we "learned fm religion!"

    21. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I agree Tlmc , you brought up a good  point , Heb 10:28 Anyone who has disregarded the Law of Moses dies without compassion on the testimony of two or three. Notice this is written in New Testament
      People should not disguard the old testement

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Why do u disagree w/script? OT has been "fulfilled!" Jesus came!

      Didn't Script say the OT "LAW" was our "SCHOOLMASTER?"  Did it not say "WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A SM? Did u even rd Gal 3:24-25 or have ye no "faith?"

      We're under NC not "LAW

    23. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Jude 9 But when Miʹcha·el the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: “May Jehovah rebuke you.Here again in the book before Revelation

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Is this ur answer that Jesus was Michael? If so why would Michael say "The Lord rebuke thee" when He was the Lord? Explain!

    25. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Because Norine King James translation drops Jehovah’s name , in hebrew and Greek it appears over 7000 times.
      He replace the name with Lord. That is just why  you think  Jesus is Jehovah.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: God (Jehovah) is still ONE SPIRIT who manifested Himself in flesh & born JESUS who DIED for us & no one cares or they would live according to AFTER THE CROSS! What diff would it make if He said "Jehovah rebuke thee" if He was Jehovah

    27. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine even King James starts to use the word tree, not two pieces of wood
      1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Why r u so "hung up" on words? "WHAT" He DIED isn't significant!  He DIED for our sins is the msg! Why argue what method when He did! The MAIN point "He DIED for our sins!" Trivia!

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Did "WHAT" He DIED on for our sins change the MESSAGE? Irrelevant! Don't forget the msg! He came, DIED, Sent HS to guide us under NC, & "MAN" will "NEVER" chg that! Stop nit picking & "Study" what to do under NC for SALVATION! Study:

    30. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine the importance of telling the truth and applying it .Lu 16:10 The person faithful in what is least is faithful also in much, and the person unrighteous in what is least is unrighteous also in much.
      The truth no matter how small matters

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: That's between them & Jesus! Have u no "faith?"  "THE HOLY SPIRIT TEACHES ME "ALL" TRUTH!" Don't u blv that? Doesn't He teach u?   

      Becomes ALL became ALL under NC - JESUS! GLORIES chg/Name chgs! Phil 2:9-11

    32. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      True EA by means of our history and beginnings , in the bible it tells our past and  future and how to arrive there.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: God SEES "ALL" things!

  9. shenal kavishka profile image59
    shenal kavishkaposted 3 years ago

    If u know the bad deeds u have done and if you ask forgiveness for all the bad deeds u have done u will be taken to haven after life

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      SK: In that case we can wait for dying bed & ask for forgiveness & go to heaven! Right? Why do we need bible? Why did it tell us to study it to seek the will of God & to increase  knowledge?

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      Monique Kaibatposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      SK: Asking for forgiveness is not the only thing that matters for you to be saved. The most important thing is accepting Jesus as your personal Savior and Lord of your life. Acknowledge that without Him you can do nothing because He is the source of

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      Monique Kaibatposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW: We really need the Holy Bible not just to increase our knowledge.
      Always remember that we need the Holy Bible because this is one of the ways to communicate with God.
      Through prayers we asks things from God, and thru the Holy Bible He answers the

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      MK: God's Words are "for instruction in righteousness" & others mentioned in II Tim 3:16!  Did it mention "answering prayers?"

  10. Gordon Wright profile image74
    Gordon Wrightposted 3 years ago

    How does anyone know anything? You either trust in grace or you don't.

    1. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      When one understand the teachings of the gospels John 14:26 tells us we already know but only the born again will have the comforter to bring them back to our memories.

    2. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      So Josh make good on your promise , be what you promise to her and God.  That is your test in life , things that seem you can not do you can with victory!

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: "Born again" & "rightly dividing His Word!" Jesus told us AFTER HE DIED He would send us (the disciples too) a Comforter that would "guide" us, but u deny the HS "guided" Paul & others in Script AFTER Jesus ascended! That's the problem!

    4. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      You are not spirit born to be able to hear the comforter.  Has your femininity integrated with your masculinity (Gen 2:24)? No? Then you aren't Spirit born. One must follow the order without missing any steps. With a testimony one knows the order.

    5. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      To EA Ge 2:24 That is why a man will leave his father and his mother and he will stick to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
      Husband and wife share the same name are called still separate in body. The bible relates the Father and Son the same

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: You're looking "carnally" again! Father and Son are "ONE SPIRIT, SAME SPIRIT" not "bodies!" ONE SPIRIT with MANY "Glories!"  OMNIPRESENT! More than Father & Son!

    7. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      EA that proves they are not equal if you make something lower then Angels , how could they be the same.if you have sons you can say one is lower in age then the others. This proves Jesus was an Angel before made a human.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli/K&T: Can't u see that because angels have "never" been manifested in "flesh" is what made Jesus lower than angels? It's the "flesh" that was "subjected" to sin that made Him lower than angels. He (God) "lowered Himself" by manifested Himself

    9. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine the scriptures does not say manifest
      Himself,  it says he made him lower then Angels . You are the one changing the statement. He could have said I lowered myself . No he lowered his Son. Face it accept it they are two different beings

    10. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T, Eve didn't come out of Adam, he dreamt it, Adam let his femininity lay dormant and Eve her masculinity making them both woman, to become whole man again those 2 attributes must become reintegrated within each requiring the new birth to do it

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: I Tim 3:16: "GOD" manifested "Himself" in the "flesh" & "RECV'D UP INTO GLORY!" Does Script lie? No need of denying Script or u can't be SAVED! Forget "teachings" & STUDY! Spirit is not beings u can touch! The "world" made that up! 3

    12. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine satan is a god of the lie,we can not give our worship to the true God based on Lies or miss applied words take you away from God’s spirit and favor.
      Like you keep saying cross , that is untrue , Jesus died on one piece of wood called a stake.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Satan HAS blinded ALL (II Cor 4:3-7)! He's laughing! They cont in their beliefs rather than STUDY! Too much trouble? Looking "carnally?" Very immature Christians!

      MESSAGE:  He DIED for our sins!  On what object doesn't matter! Remember MSG

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: If it's in God's Word, not a lie! HS will "reveal" lies man has chg'd! The point is, the "overall" msg has not chg'd & NEVER will! No misunderstanding if HS "guides!" The world is @ 2 Thess 2:11

    15. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine I posted this scripture earlier, Jude 9But when Miʹcha·el the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: “May Jehovah rebuke you"

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: How does Jude 9 tells us that Michael was Jesus? Show me exactly where it states that? Explain!

    17. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine notice Ac 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
      King James Joh 7:28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me,

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: GM! Acts 17:24: Precisely! God (JESUS) did not nor does not "dwell" in a temple (house v.29-34). OMNIPRESENT SPIRIT! Apparently u don't blv He is! How do u explain His being in ALL of us?

      I Tim 3:16 Who was manifested in the flesh? OMNIPRE

    19. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      To CP. Like our own genealogy we can trace back family history with good records
      True we may not have been alive to know many of our relatives , but documents saved , copies of births and deaths prove existence.
      We also have records in the bible.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Find ONE PLACE in Scripture where disciples baptized according to Matthew 28:19??? As MAN has chgd definition of words in dictionary, so have they chgd wording in bible! Research "original" Matt 28:19!

    21. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      INW, if you say in the name of the F, S & HS that still means a name common to all three, they all three has I AM THAT I AM in their names so it doesn't really matter which way you say it, it means the same thing. Don't you understand English?

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: NC supersedes Matt 28:19! Move into NOW-NC! Jesus said "NAME" F isnt a NAME, S isnt a NAME HS isnt a NAME!  Dont u understand the English lang? ALL r JESUS the NAME n COMMON! After NC "all" baptzd n Jesus' NAME! It makes a diff under NC!

    23. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The Bible says "holy ghost" which Jesus was upon resurrecting, Mat 12:39-40 & Rev 5:12 makes Elijah become a "whole man doing what ghosts do" interpreting the "parable" of what's said in Mat 28.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: We agree! Jesus is NAME of HS! F & S's NAME as well!

      Salvation: Words spoken thru apostles after estab of 1st CHURCH! The dispensation in which we NOW live-NC!  Otherwise, Gal 1:6-9!

    25. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      We are NOT agreeing, Jesus is a pseudonym, NOT a name. Read my Hub http://the0natureboy.hubpages.com/hub/W … e-Of-Jesus

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: If Jesus' Name is "pseudonym" (pen name),  what's His Name in English? JESUS! We're not Greek or Hebrew!  Phil 2:9-11 says "...at the NAME of JESUS..."  Did it LIE? NO!  JESUS is the NAME of GOD!

    27. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, the Rod from Jesse's stem is Yoshua, the Branch from his roots is Eliyehu, and why it's a pseudonym, the Isa 7:14, 11:1-12 & NT speak as if the 2 are the same person but they are for different ages, the Rod for church, Eliyehu for the end tim

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Does it matter what ur gr,gr,gr,grandpa did? U r here NOW!

      "I AM" has PWR to do "ALL" thgs but "U" were commanded to "OBSERVE" the disciples, sent HS to help, yet evade Scripture?

      Future doesnt matter either (Rev) if NOT READY (Havnt OBSER)!

    29. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I will not respond, I have already.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: U can evade the issue if u like, but I tell u again: We NOW live under NC of Grace & Truth so why worry about Rev?  Until u blv that-there's no salvation! We r to "OBSERVE" apostles & do as they wrote fm HS (Jesus)! Otherwise, Rev doesnt

    31. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Have you read http://the0natureboy.hubpages.com/hub/W … e-Of-Jesus to see the word "of" has to come from the person and you are saying Paul's words is the gospel of christ? You don't understand English, what's your 1st language?

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Paul's words were NOT his own! Why can't u blv Jer 31:33; & Heb 8:10; 10:16? What did Jesus say n those Script? Did He lie?

    33. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, Because Jer 31:33's "After those days" takes place after the Laodecian [meager] church era, which is now, and I'm the first of Israel [endures] reading from their heart rather than the book.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: If "U" r reading "fm the heart," rather the Scriptures & ur "readings" do not align w/the Word of God-not "THE HOLY SPIRIT!"  His Word "WILL NOT CHG" nor contradict Itself!
      Jesus gave instructions thru Paul & apostles (Acts 2:42) if not

    35. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      You are telling me about following Jer 31:33 and not doing it yourself, what a hypocrite you be.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli:  How so?

    37. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I'm telling what the comforter tells me from my heart and you are constantly telling me what Paul told you out of the book.  How is what you are reading out of the book coming from your heart?

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: If a comforter is talking to your heart & what it's saying is "AGAINST" what is written in the book (Script), what comforter is that? Script is WRITTEN & no demon in hell can chg that disguised as "comforter" or not! I give Script u give

    39. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The book say thing against itself, you can't hear your own heart so you will never get the answer to that question until you do.  I can tell you until I'm blue but not hearing the spirit of what I say you will never comprehend it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Not if rightly divided~! Why a bible? Why II Timothy 2:15? Why listen to a comforter "against" His Word? The 2 r synonymous!  Yes, He talks to our hearts & minds but not "against" Himself! 

      If  "spirit" talks "against" Word, Satan!

    41. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      To carnal minds the bible does oppose itself, in our hearts is the explanation for it, is why listen to your heart and not books unless it confirms what the heart say.  Without the comforter in reborn man most interpretation are in error.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli:So what does that say about u for u r the 1 who said "..the book say thing against itself.." 

      Do u believe in the New Covenant & that we NOW live under Grace & Truth?

    43. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Why are you stuck on New Covenant and nothing else matters? There are 66 books and you are stuck on 2 words.  Read and understand the book's message before you attempt teach what it means and stop asking the same question.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Why? Because of Gal 1:6-9 - "ACCURSED!"  If we don't do as He commanded us why bother w/anything? Just forget it ALL - NO SALVATION!

      I ask again & again for it is my desire that NONE is lost, me as well!

    45. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Paul don't have HS power to curse, I'll be cursed by him, not by HS. NONE WILL EVER BE LOST, never was and never shall be, that's why Rev 20:5 say they live again to repopulate earth for Rev 21 to go through Earth's cycle until their redemption day.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: U'd better "renew ur mind!" HS talked thru Paul & was Paul! Don't blv Jer & Heb, Acts 9:15? Don't blv His Word? Where does that leave u? ACCURSED!

      Keep "not blving" & u will find out if "NONE WILL EVER BE LOST!" If "none lost" why b

    47. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I'm reborn to a mind higher than the unreborn (Isa 55:8-9), why should I renew a carnally lower consciousness?  If this higher consciousness leaves me accursed, PLEAS leave me cursed, I have paid a curse of the flesh to obtain this wisdom, satan.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: No matter how "u've cursed the flesh," if not according to Script still "ACCURSED"  I give Script! We NOW live under NC-Grace & Truth & Paul should be followed per HS! I Cor 11:1!
      I Cor 1:17! Who is Christ if not the HS?

      Rev 21:14 Bui

    49. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I AM SATISFIED BEING ACCURSED. You will never change the choice HS has destined me to so I care less what you have to say about it. Chose a new topic and leave me ACCUSED.

    50. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Notice.
      Php 4:3 Yes, I request you also, as a true fellow worker, to keep assisting these women who have striven side by side with me for the good news, along with Clement as well as the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Yes, u r rt-"ACCURSED!"

      I have "...planted the seed, only GOD can give the increase."

      If u r not "willing" to "look" at Scripture & GROW (complacent), there's NO ROOM for JESUS!   II Cor 3:18

      I've done what HE asked!

      K&T: Amen!

      Pra

    52. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine I requested no reply to me , and I still mean it. You can believe in your omnipresent that the bible nowhere uses the word. No I do not believe in your message nor the way you use scriptures to attack another. As you just did.  With accursed.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      k&t: Why do u cont to get in on conv w/Eli (Women Preachers)? U could've ignored if IT gets on ur nerves as most "unbelievers" do!  R u drawn to TRUTH? Why? HS who is OMNIPRESENT!

      As I told Eli, I have planted the seed, ONLY GOD can give the inc

    54. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine you do not own HP. and if I want to reply to EA, I will until he says different.
      You have no Authority to tell me who to talk to .And anyway I did not comment to EA.Get your story right , before you yell a judgment.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Ur right! But as a disciple, speak TRUTH!

      I know others follow what I say fm Script as well but none interact as u!  Why? HS guiding?

      "His Hand is still stretched out!"  He's calling! Don't fight (humble yourself to Word) - STUDY!

    56. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, read my post on http://phoenixv.hubpages.com/question/2 … ved-or-not it should answer your question above.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: If the holy spirit that you're listening to goes "against" His Word, what hs is that?  Acts 17:11 & II Tim 2:15

  11. Omeva profile image74
    Omevaposted 3 years ago

    Faith, Repentance, Baptism, then enduring to the end following the principles you committed yourself to. If you accomplish that, then you will be" saved" in the broad sense that most people understand it in. However, If you fall short, I still don't think that's the end, God is more merciful than we think.

    https://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testa … 2?lang=eng

    4 And surely every man must repent or suffer, for I, God, am endless.

    5 Wherefore, I revoke not the judgments which I shall pass, but woes shall go forth, weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth, yea, to those who are found on my left hand.

    6 Nevertheless, it is not written that there shall be no end to this torment, but it is written endless torment.

    7 Again, it is written eternal damnation; wherefore it is more express than other scriptures, that it might work upon the hearts of the children of men, altogether for my name’s glory.

    8 Wherefore, I will explain unto you this mystery, for it is meet unto you to know even as mine apostles.

    9 I speak unto you that are chosen in this thing, even as one, that you may enter into my rest.

    10 For, behold, the mystery of godliness, how great is it! For, behold, I am endless, and the punishment which is given from my hand is endless punishment, for Endless is my name. Wherefore—

    11 Eternal punishment is God’s punishment.

    12 Endless punishment is God’s punishment.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      OJ: "Faith" in what? Believing there is Jesus or "rightly dividing His Word" to know "HIS WILL?" Baptizing in what "Name?"

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      Omevaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Second, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins in the name of Jesus Christ.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      OJ: Excellent: Baptizing!

      But in order to have "faith" one must no what the "gospel of Christ" is (Gal 1:6-9). Do u live according to Acts 2:42 "AFTER THE CROSS" as did the disciples of the "First Church?"

      Do u no Jesus is God?

    4. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, which prophet came with what the leaders of their time preached? Yoshua didn't preach what the Pharisees taught so why would Elijah preach what the Laodiceans preach today?

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Who teaches this? No one! All call me "crazy!" Who cares! It's in the Word of God for SALVATION! I desire "no one is lost!"

      Why can't ppl follow Script? OT Prop Jesus coming, He came n NT, DIED, sent HS under NC & worked thru Paul for SALVA

    6. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I'm living as HS directs me, you continue following them as directed, one of us will make it since none are lost but keep incarnating in this lake of fire with an unquenchable desire for money to buy world goods until Jew for everlasting life.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: What hs defies Script? Do u no script? Did It not prophesy Jesus' coming n OT?Did He not come n NT?Did He not DIE?Did He not send HS to help us?Did He not "write on Paul's heart" telling him what to tell us for SALVATION? Is It a Lie? Gal 1:6-9

    8. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, Exo 4:6-8 prophesied both his and my coming as Mat 17:5 & 11 make it known, or don't you believe the NT?  Yoshua in Mat 12:39-40 and told John in Rev 5:5 & 12 I will be OBE longer than his about 39 hours, Can't you comprehend the scriptur

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      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Nature , the problem with your claim is that
      your value can not be the same in royalty as
      Jesus, Jesus was Michael the first made of angels and man , so he has seniority over everyone else.  Here you are born but as all others are born that's .

    10. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      A voice (Mat 17:5) said "This [3] is my beloved Son, ... hear ye him" paraphrasing "hear ye him" makes it mean "you should have heard Moses, now hear Yoshua but you must hear Elijah when he comes" per Exodus 4:6-8, the voice equated me with Yoshua.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: "This is my beloved Son..." OMNIPRESENT! Speaking fm heaven, while standing in water, AND the dove SIMULTANEOUSLY~! Oh, the PWR of GOD & "MOST" don't "see!"

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    Joshtheplumberposted 3 years ago

    The concept of being 'saved' was not a part of the original form of Christianity. the 'accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior' terminology came from the puritans, who also believed that a man at peace was a man lost. The battle with Satan should never end, Oliver Cromwell thought... as he conquered England...

    1. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The battle against satan is a battle against our schooling by parents, religions and secular schooling.  All of those teaching sources encourage us to continue to eat The Knowledge Of Good And Evil which is the cause of our being unsaved.

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Excellent point there Elijah. It would help if people like Mr. Cromwell didn't confuse exactly what satan is.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli & Wm: Are u guys Satanic? Ouija boards, fallen angels, etc?  Stick to Scripture or else Jn 3:20 applies! FACTS: Jesus' coming was prophesied in OT, He came in NT, DIED, left HS to guide US & yet many still IGNORANT saying "I have HS" but

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      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      As a child "Santa Pal" sent one to us one Christmas but I didn't want to play with it, ultimately it got burned in our wood burner. Fallen angels are a misinterpretation of things in life but I understand people's using it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Ex: When we have kids they're born, taught, grow. Same w/God! He is SPIRIT so He KNEW He was coming prophesied it, came, grew in flesh, telling us how & what to do to be saved so we can grow & return to Him but we "IGNORE!" Stages w/GOD

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I've only just met Eli here, so I know little about him thus far. He seems to see what I have seen. A world where satanism HAS been the norm. So much so that no one even sees how deceived they really are. My aim is to let my light shine.

    7. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      My new birth conception was in 1973, birth 1976, I am 38+ years still adolescent (Jon 3:8), spiritual adults fulfills John 14:12, may I have some of your testimony, NW?

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Baptized at age of 11 in the name of F>S>HS! Parents died. Searched for truth fm HS! Revelation of baptism in Jesus' Name 5 yrs ago!  Hand to plow every since! Revelation is being given by HS to more in these last days! No more religion bu

    9. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      What & when was your conception, NW, what did you do during gestation, what was your trivial & what did you come out when you became spirit born? The only way to hear what's in your heart is via rebirth period.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: EVERYONE has a testimony! Alcoholism was mine! "I Believe" came fm nowhere! Filled! Studied Script more. Revelation re: baptism, NC, Father & Son are ONE, etc. Told to tell! Doing so! "Last Days" revelations! Only for those who have "ears!"

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      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      EA the point is Jesus had to be in a fleshly body here on earth.
      1 Co 15:50 But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
      Heb 2:7You made him a little lower than angels;

    12. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Again I ask, what is your testimony? Was alcohol your conception, gestation, trivial or birth?  How did HS communicate with you during those formative times? Testimony explains what took place and I'm asking about 3 stages and the birth.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: What does that have to do w/SALVATION? HS told me n dreams & now I tell u! End times! Study "gospel of Christ" not "beliefs!" Stop trying to find judgment (excuse) & "study" WORD OF GOD (not "me"), the ONLY THING that matters!

    14. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      So Norine why did that omitting include GOD'S Name Jehovah with title Lord.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: I can't tell u "why" man does except Satan is trying to gain as many souls as possible but he can't fool HS!Too many script saying Jesus is God & man didnt chg so much to loose msg!  HS reveals ALL! HS knows Jehovah,God,Lord,Jesus,etc "O

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: SATAN! But can't "fool" HS who will "reveal" ALL thgs!  MAN will NEVER chg MESSAGE! He was prophesied coming n OT, came n NT, DIED, sent HS to help us & we still won't STUDY to allow HS "guide" us fm "carnality" into "Spirituality!"

    17. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      No New Birth, No salvation, Isaiah 7:14-22, Mat 24:13 & 25:1-13 & Rev 16:15-16 [only spiritual adults can live in Armageddon] are all saying no salvation without new birth.  If you can't give new birth testimony you lie and know not HS.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Scripture doesn't LIE!

      TRUTH: He came, DIED, sent us HS under NC & "believers" don't live accordingly in these "end times!" 

      Can't you see a problem with "believers" being SAVED?

    19. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      You are the liar, Rom 1:20 say "the invisible 'new birth' follows natural birth's pattern" [paraphrased] and natural birth has a conception, gestation, trivial, birth and growth after birth into adulthood.  Your testimony will show my error.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Not my Rm 1:20! Mine tells ALL that WITH the HOLY SPIRIT u "can clearly see that JESUS is GOD, even His ETERNAL POWER & GODHEAD (F>S>HS) without excuse!"

      Read the world n ALL of Rm 1

      JESUS is GOD!

      I wonder about these people's holy

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      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I hope you were paraphrasing it is all I can say.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Yes! He knows the "heart!" Not enough room here!

      Eli, all I'm saying is we MUST do as the apostles did for they are the "foundation" Jesus left us to build upon! Rev 21:14

      Otherwise, NO ONE will be SAVED! Gal 1:6-9

      AND JESUS IS GOD!Jn 1:10

    23. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Yoshua is the way [for all to follow if they desire], the truth and [everlasting] life (John 14:6) not the apostles not disciples.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli:I have given Script where Jesus told disciples to "teach" us & for us to "observe" what they told us! I have given Script that tells us if we don't "ACCURSED!" U can blv not Jesus when HE spoke thru apostles via HS, but "ACCURSED!"Gal 1:6-9

    25. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Since Yoshua came from father and the disciples were sent by the son, I put my trust in the one who came from the father and not those who came from the son.  You may choose to follow the son sent, you do believe you have that choice, don't you?

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      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Can we find Rome, and any history of Ceasars ?  yes we can, even money can be traced of what it would have looked like.
      In 2 B.C.E. Birth of Jesus
      33 C.E. Death of Jesus
      During the Roman Empire.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: That's where u r wrong! They r the SAME SPIRIT!  (Eph 4:4-6) The Son (HS) begat Himself (Matt 1:18) !

      See Scriptures given Mara! 

      THE GREATEST ALLEGORY IN SCRIPTURE!

    28. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      There is no right nor wrong, I present the wisdom salvation requires while you are presenting a doctrine which keeps one from obtaining it called "Satan of Salvation".

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: U call what Jesus said "Satan of Salvation?" Blasphemy! U can't "chg" Script for "your" beliefs? Jesus came, DIED, sent HS, spoke thru apostles giving instructions to be saved & u call it "Satan of Salvation?"  Is this a LIE? Be careful! Gal

    30. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      You are denying what Jesus called salvation, survive civilization's end (Mat 24:13), therefore what you are saying is "satan of salvation" and not what I am saying.  I forgot, you do not realize satan only means opposer.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: WHO is "opposing what He said" (& did) & therefore Satan? If u deny that He DIED, sent us HS, talked thru Paul telling us what to do for Salvation, who "opposes?"  If 1 "endures until the end" n a LIE, there's no "SALVATION!"

    32. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      You are "satan" to the Bible's form of salvation as prophesied in OT (Isa 7:`22 and other places) and reiterated by Yoshua in Mat 17:13.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: How can u call what He DIED for (NC) Satan? Is it not in Script? NC is ONLY way we can get back to Him! In Script Acts 2:42. Why don't we follow? Otherwise Gal 1:6-9!

      Against ur belief isn't Satan, but "lack of knowledge!"

      STUDY!  GROW!

    34. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I AM CALLING YOUR BELIEFS SATAN to what the Bible says.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: "MY BELIEFS" r:Jesus came, DIED, sent HS & we r NOW under NC "OBSERVING" apostles as commanded (Acts 2:42) after estab of 1st CHURCH! Is this not true? Is this not Script? Tell me where I'm wrong!

    36. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      We are in post-Laodecian era, NC ended with 1948's budding fig tree, now it's Mat 19:28- 20:1-16, time of virgins (25:1-13) & time for peace (isa 2:2-4) for sealing of the survivors (Rev 7).

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: We NOW live under NC & will until His return!  Give Script otherwise! What "1948's budding fig tree?" In Script? Where does it say NC ended with "1948's budding fig tree?"

    38. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, Gen 49:1 & 8-12, Isa 11:10-12, parable of the fig tree signals 80 years max before world's end (Ps 90:10) & everything after Revelation 4:1 give you a few revelations that the NC ended with Israel's becoming a nation in 1948.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Most are concerned w/"THE END" but don't know "SALVATION" for "THE END!"  It's gonna happen! Why not be ready by living under NC as commanded which prepares for "THE END?" My concern is to "BE READY!"

    40. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The only Biblical salvation is Isa 7;22 & Mat 24:13, everyone else will eventually become man whose names are written in the lamb's book of life (Rev 21:27).  The survivors of this civilization (Rev 20:4) & the raptured from ch 21 in Gen 1:7-

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Revelation is "inevitable!"  GET READY!  Do as commanded & "OBSERVE" apostles! Live in the NOW dispensation of the Scriptures!  Not then or future but NOW!

    42. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW,How can I possible know what is happening if I have not been observing? How can Eliyehu be the restoring prophet (Mat 17:11) without observing and comparing scripture to events? How can he know how to restore things without understand the past?

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli:  Not true for you believe that Paul's teachings were not the teachings of Jesus but "his' teachings!  Not so!  Jesus spoke thru Paul & we r to "OBSERVE" him & other apostles "AFTER" Day of Pentecost!  (Jer & Heb)
      Jesus' Words "writte

    44. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      If NW were born of spirit you would have spiritual ears and know some of Paul's writings contradicts Yoshua's. Paul said a woman -- incomplete man (Gen 2:24) requiring a spiritual birth to become man -- should not teach, obey that teaching of his.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: R u speaking of "unsaved women in the Church?" (I Tim 2:12) Women "IN SILENCE" not SILENT? (v9) R these women "in Christ?"

      Did Paul not say Gal 3:28?

      Did u read Acts 2:17? ALL FLESH?

      Stop male chauvinism!  Jesus did thru Paul! (Gal 3:28)

    46. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      How much more unruly can one become to deny Yoshua's teaching for Paul's which sometime contradicts Yoshua's.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: It's NOT PAUL! Acts 9:15-He was Jesus' "Vessel!" "Unruly" to unblvrs of His Word! 

      Women disciples throughout Script!  Eph4:7;11-13; Rm 2:11;16:1-3;7; Acts 10:34-35;Joel 2:28; I Sam 16:7. 

      GROW II Cor 3:18!

    48. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Why don't you have Jer 31:33 so you can know this things.  Oh, I must remember, you are not spiritually born (John 3:8) so you are able to read it, you can only read from an external book.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Do u have the capability of God n I Sam 16:7? Why attack me? Attack the Word for that's what I've given & HE "sees ALL!"

      What did you call Scriptures?  "An external book?"  II Tim 3:16

      I envy u n that u r secluded & can "STUDY," do so

    50. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, I hear the spirit of your words not the outward man taught meaning of them.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Gal 1:12 "For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."

      Have you ever heard "man" teach this? NO!

      I Tim 4:16-18! "At my 1st defense, no "man" stood with me,but all "men" forsook me; I pray.

    52. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      That is almost what I have been saying in every response to you except rather than saying Jesus the christ taught me I say the comforter which is also what is written Yoshua ha'meshiach taught would be our teacher (Jon 14:26).

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Yes, Hebrew: Jesus! But I have given His Word which "proves" we NOW live under NC-Grace & Truth,"OBSERVE" apostles' teachings (Acts 2:42) whom Jesus spoke thru to give us instr for SALVATION & u deny?
      HS is "progression" not "regression!

    54. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      There was no Hebrew word for Jesus during the writing of the manuscripts, maybe now but nor then.  We are living in post-Laodecian age, a maximum of 13 years before the end of the world. Grace is over now is the judgment as it is called.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Give Scriptures re: "We are living in post-Laodecian age, a maximum of 13 years before the end of the world. Grace is over now is the judgment as it is called."

    56. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      You understand anything in Rev? 1:1, things will shortly come, 3:14-18 ends today's mega-church era & 4:1 the rest happens after it.  We are out of the Rod of Jesse's era (Isa 11:1) & in the Root era (Isa 11:10-12 & Rev 5:5 & 12) era,

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli:  Revelation is just that: "Rev of thgs to come!"  We are to CONCENTRATE on how to get there to enjoy!  We NOW live in the dispensation of Grace & Truth under NC! Won't get there unless we "OBSERVE" the apostles as commanded!

    58. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Isn't the mega-Laodecian church already here?  What do you mean yet to come, aren't you observing the things happening & comparing then which what is written?  Why else are you commanded watch if not for comparing to the scriptures to understand?

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: U miss the point!  ALL Scripture WILL BE FULFILLED!  The question is r u ready for Revelation? Have u lived according to how Jesus commanded us (NC-Grace & Truth)  in our dispensation to get there?

      Again, if not, Gal 1:6-9!

      Wish I had x as

    60. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Can I not be ready telling you where in Rev we are?  I'm giving the entire Bible's message, you, only the just ended dispensation, which of us has HS?  Holy=complete Spirit=understanding meaning the complete understanding of man on earth. U got that?

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Did u not hear what I said? THE SCRIPTURES WILL BE FULFILLED & some portions HAVE BEEN FULFILLED!  Irrelevant! Where are we commanded to live NOW, repeat NOW? If one has NEVER lived or blv in NC-Grace & Truth blving in error! NO SALVATIO

    62. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I am living IN THE NOW, I comprehend where we are, you are living in the past when we are in post-Laodecian-last-days dispensation.  You CAN'T KNOW IT because you don't have HS, you lives grace and DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, EVEN.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Yes, we r living in "last days" but MUST live as "commanded" (Acts 2:42) until then! Gal 1:6-9!

      WOW!  U r now GOD & can "look at one's heart" to determine who has HS?   I NEVER said u didn't but "CORRECT" belief  "against Word!"

      Grace=LOVE

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    clivewilliamsposted 3 years ago

    you can only know this when your savior comes

    1. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      When one is born again with testimony of conception, gestation, trivial birth and levels of growth they know because the Comforter makes us know. Those claiming new birth without a testimony can not know even when the savior comes.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: You're MISSING the WHOLE POINT of SALVATION! The "New Covenant" which He "Promised" to "help us" get back to Him!  Promised: Jer 31:31-33; Heb 8:10 & 10:16! How "write" Jn 14:26;16:13. When did "Promise" come Acts 2:2 when orig"CHURCH"was es

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      What I do know is that if I'm quiet enough, I become aware of a being inside my chest that screams I AM

      And I do know that when I had a picture of my aura taken, I had a halo.

      Beyond that, as far as I can tell, I'm a regular human with odd habits

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      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Josh we all are, special , the very special gifts the heavenly Father shares with us like the earth , the heaven's, even fellow humans
      so we are never alone  , makes us want to know him in a personal way , we have nothing good that he did not give.

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Everyone is special to me. While there's much I can do, I'm more impressed by what others come up with when they believe in themselves.  I don't want to see anybody suffer. Ever. But I suffer when people want me all to themselves.

    6. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      How interesting that people want you all to them self and you suffer from that , you should not be suffering , maybe something is not normal here. Love is about happiness

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Let's say I'm not great at being a husband to a jealous wife. I have a history of letting lust get the better of me. I am, after all, still a human. Something I've been working on.

    8. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Josh you must remember when you make a promise you must keep it  that is a man and a word is his vow,you not only vowed to her , but to God. This is serious, if some one promised you five thousand dollars you would expect it with out a second thought

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Actually, I forgive others of their debts. That is a big part of why I have no money. Also, if breaking a marriage vow means you are not saved, I am not saved. I suppose I'll burn in a lake of fire now. Oh well. Why am I still trying? I must be crazy

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      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Wonderful you are a forgiver and you can be forgiven as well , but you do not have to repeat the wrong , you learn from it and pursue the right way to live. You will have a peace of mind knowing you are doing the right thing.

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      You'd think so wouldn't you? Yet I am far from being at peace. I'm barely able to function anymore. As a person. That's why I've been trying so hard to get out of this body.

    12. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      If  this is the case you need to seriously pray to Jehovah for a release. They can not and will not stand before his presence.  Ro 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” This is the cure and this is the way.

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I did. still here. Now go look at this 'new covenant' I just read. If I am who I was told I am, I am required to allow a particular race to do whatever it wants at the expense of all others. And Norine, I'm NOT looking for a date. Get over yourself

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      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Who told you who you are ?

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Oh, you'll see. Adios!

    16. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Josh I am waiting for your answer who told you that you are as question, I do not doubt it but if you bring it up then finish your statement.

    17. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Will you tell me how I am missing the point when I am already back with our father?  The Comforter is guiding my life within my heart where I look to get instructions so what more do I need?

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Well the Comforter has "guided" u to me to inform you of how He came into being! Jn 14:26;16:13. He (HS/Comforter) was sent as part of the pkg deal of the NC (Jer & Heb)! And to tell u ALL should live under NC "AFTER" Acts for SALVATION!

    19. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      You have that reversed, You are brought to me for you to know once you can hear the comforter you will follow Isa 7:14:-22 & Jon 3:8 to enter Eden / millennium. I am more advanced than you in hearing the comforter, you're playing catch up.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: "Least any "man" should "BOAST?" Eph 2:8-9 Look @ ur comforter! Do you know the POWER of the HS? Catch up? Did Paul have to catch up after being placed on straight street? Acts 9:11 Who is ur comforter? Ur NEVER too OLD to learn! Acts 17:11

    21. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Yes NW, I know HS's power, that's why I'm alive today, snake bite nor poison killed me so how do you think I'm alive.  I'm doing things as HP directs. I know when I will be an adult with "all power in heaven and earth" (John 14:12) so I'm caught up.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: What do u mean you're "doing things as HP directs?"

      If u no Pwr of HS, then u no neither Paul nor I "got this fm man!" It's in His Word but no one cares about Christ DYING, if they did they'd follow instructions for SALVATION "AFTER THE CROS!

    23. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Your arguments, NW, even using the scriptures you use, are doss, it is not refined wisdom.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Did Jesus not come, DIE for our sins, sent HS to help us under NC of grace and truth (where we live TODAY) yet u say "not refined WISDOM?" Not it isn't but THE WORD OF GOD! "Wisdom" v. WORD - I choose WORD!

    25. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      There are 66 books of your scripture painting a grand picture by using metaphors, different stories, to revival certain truths. You focuses on one story and don't see how it fit into the whole. "For" also means "because of," not just "instead of."

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: ALL better "focus on" why He died (only taught "the blood for our sins") yet not "Promise" of HS under NC!

      W/O that (HS) we'd have no communication with Him! 

      He told us to "OBSERVE" the apostles, yet ALL say "I'm not, not Jesus!" ??

    27. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I'm concerned about enough man living to replenish this earth, not the Out of Body Experience [OBE} of one boy. Keep teaching look back,understand nothing, I teach live in the now, learn the future to be Biblically saved and not religiously saved.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: I am also concerned no one is lost! What "Out of Body Experience [OBE} of one boy?"

      2 Cor 4:3-4!

      No one will "be SAVED" if they do not do what Jesus died for under the NC! Did Christ DIE in vain? Sent HS but who cares?

    29. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Understanding the prophecies you know none are lost, 5 of the 10 virgins survives this world's ending. The 10=% of the end's population, 5% saved & 5 becomes Dead in Christ (Rev 14:13) replacements of Rev 6:9-11's to be born in the millennium.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: "..none are lost?"  What bible r u reading?
      The Word of God is not a math problem for "YOU" to try & figure out what GOD is going to do!

      Your job is to search the Scriptures for SALVATION! 

      If "none are lost," why Jesus?

    31. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Read with understanding of the prophecies in th eKJV or any of the others translations and you will find it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Then why r u "wasting your time" living as you do "if none will be lost?" Get back out there & join the world!
       
      You do not believe in SALVATION? It appears that way for if "none are lost," we don't need SALVATION!

    33. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      It's not my choice, I am chosen (Jew) as the last prophet Elijah instructing how to survive civilization's end.  Lost: continuing to reincarnate in this lake of fire [burning desires for material things] civilization is but all will become jews.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: How can u be "prophet" & not follow Jesus' instructions thru Paul? Jesus said He'd tell Paul what to tell us via HS! 

      Jesus came, DIED, sent HS under NC, left instructions for us to "observe," & u don't believe yet a "prophet?" Lk 6:46

    35. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      YHWH's instructions in Matthew 17:5  were "this is my beloved son heard you him" but people do not recognize it because they don't associate it with Exo 4:6-8.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli:  Matt OMNIPRESENT!


      Exd: If you don't believe Gal 1:6-9 applies! "ACCURSED!"  "Associate" that with Exodus!

    37. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, Why don't you believe John 3;8, Matthew 12:39-40, 19:28-29 & 24:13 and a host of other teachings by Yoshua?  Why is Paul, who is not the latter sign, your messiah rather than the ones sent by YHWH?   Compared.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Paul told us (via Jesus/HS) what we MUST do for SALVATION  My Messiah (Jesus) spoke thru Paul & if JESUS speaks, be it thru a jackass, I listen!

      Didn’t Matt 28:19 say “Observe?” Acts 2:42 Rev 21:14 say “apostles names’ on foundations?" Eph 2:20

    39. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine simple Jesus was contained to the earth , when the Father can not be held by what he has created.  That is like you take a sheet of paper and draw a house on it , can you live in the house you drew on paper literal. No , you can not fit space.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T U known u don't blv in God!~ You blv what u've been "taught!" Jn 1:10 is true, & in WORD! If u want to cont w/tradition, it's ur soul! I've told u! My hands are clean! But TRUTH is TRUTH! All thgs are possible w/GOD! He fills ALL.Can't co

    41. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine simple King James VersionJoh 14:31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do.Arise, let us go hence.
      Simple he loves the Father and the Father gives him commands, two are different

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: What 2? Eph 4:4-6! ONE SPIRIT! That SPIRIT is the ALMIGHTY GOD who can be ANYPLACE in ANY FORM simultaneously since you don't like the word OMNIPRESENT!

      Until you accept that He is GOD (ALL PWR), u will NEVER understand!

      Lv "teachings!"

    43. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Mara you speak truth, thanks , because at King James Version
      Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: God have mercy on you! Is this Christian action?  Continue  showing "your fruit!"  As if still "in time past!"

      I know! You didn't address me!  Sharp?

      NO! God Sees ALL Knows ALL!

      Keep "digging your ditch!"

    45. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Mat 7:13- 21 simply proves all is not saved .only few have it right just like the days of Noah . Many will say Lord as they know the spiritual things of God but he will reject them. So that is not true onced saved always.All not in the book of life

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Whosoever is born of God doth not sin (remember sin no more) for his seed REMAINETH in him: & he cannot sin, bcuz he is born of God (I Jn 3:9). U r I don't known who's in the Bk of Life! How mercy on whom He pls (Rm9:15).  "Right" by FAITH (Rm3:2

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Rev 3:5 Fool! What does this have to do w/ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED?   (v2) "not perfect" (v5) won't blot out & confessing to Father (SAVED)!

  14. prettynutjob30 profile image91
    prettynutjob30posted 3 years ago

    You just know, being saved is having a personal relationship with Christ. Nobody but you, and God know if you're saved. Many people will tell you that going to church, and living right is what saves you, but that is not the case at all. I have met many people who go to church their whole lives, and later find out that they never really had a close relationship with Christ. I am not telling you to quit going to church, just pointing out, that going to church, isn't what saves you.

    1. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      If that personal relationship is with the comforter then we know, if one isn't born-again to have the comforter to bring it to their remembrance (John 24:26) one can not know.

    2. Sinbadsailorman profile image72
      Sinbadsailormanposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Rest assured in your Faith This Faith is not in Rselves but Christ Our Lord Jesus This R Faith is Our Comforter the Holy Spirit I will send another in my place refers to the Last Age 4 us Flesh is never again NEVER after The true Christ returns 777

    3. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      See my post to the question "Why Did Elijah And Moses Appear To Jesus"

    4. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Josh this topic is about Christians bring saved or not, not open for pick up lines and people,  and even though you admit your inner most difficulties of sin that may not be the case for others, so we should not assume others are like yourself , real

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      Joshtheplumberposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      We did get off topic didn't we. I didn't mean to 'pick people up.' Sorry. I only meant to share why I haven't been as present as I should have been... If I am who people keep telling me I am. If I'm not, I should go back to being a hermit.

    6. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Also Josh as a long time bible student I can assure you without a doubt , there is no hell fire people burn in , that is very inhuman to do so, death is the punishment of sin. Death can end your existence forever. But Jesus paid up with his life .

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Can u give scriptures for your belief that "there is no hell?" Will you write a Hub?

    8. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      And yes Norine I missed your request I would be most honored and happy to write a hub on the this topic Hell and hell fire will take me some days to put the hub together.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Thanks K&T! I want to learn and I believe that God puts people in lives of others to bring us where "He" wants us!  Looking forward to that Hub!  Notify me @ norinewilliams4035@att.net.  Thanks.

    10. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      So Norine the head of man is Jesus , and men do not share the body of Jesus as one, and the head of the woman is man , we do not share the same body in a man . Everyone has their own body, now God is head of
      Jesus and he has his own body as well.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Jesus & who has same "BODY?" STOP "looking" CARNALLY! JESUS & GOD are "ONE" SPIRIT (OMNIPRESENT)! SPIRIT has NO "body!" GOD manifested Himself in "flesh" so "man" could relate!

    12. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Show me Norine where it says in the bible they are omnipresent
      Give exact scripture with that word and definition please.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Your Jehovah means "BECOMES ALL!" Is that not Omnipresent? Col 1:17 says "He is before all & by Him all things consist." Isn't that Omnipresent? U limit God when He's n ALL who blv? U don't blv He' "I AM" or "ALL?" O ye of little "faith!

    14. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine that is g not giving me a scripture with the  word that says your statement , you see what you believe and your opinions you conclude
      Truth , not so , that is why there are so many religions because of not sticking to scriptures as written.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: The bible doesn't say that GOD is AWESOME either yet is another adjective to describe His GLORIES!

      Yes, "the word" Omnipresent is not in Scripture but another way to explain to "man" His mysterious POWER!

      Where not script? Col 1:15-19Omni

    16. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Norine thank you for admitting that that is not in the bible
      When you have scriptures from a  translation that has omitted important words the meaning adds up wrong. What is worse you believe them and now you have a untruth. This is the case of KJ.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Is GOD not AWESOME but not n Script? Adj used for "man's understanding" but TRUE! Do u not no that God is ALL, in ALL, created ALL, becomes ALL? Sounds like u looking for "excuse" to deny His POWER (GLORIES)!

      Name chg doesn't chg His POWER!

    18. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      To Chris Peru. Example there is a foundation that we build our faith on , the bible is a book of history that can be validated by regular human history past and present. Can you cross reference time and events , like Governments and powerful leaders.

    19. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      K&T, the Bible is a book of metaphors, allegories, parables & symbol/types [MAPS] using historical events to reveal the understanding of the cycle governing earth and man on it (Gen:1:14 & Ecc1:9).

    20. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      EA can we dig up record of you to prove you exist?  Yes, can we say through your records that you live in the 21 century ,yes!
      True the bible has parables , and story examples , but can we also say the Jews exist? Not a metaphor .

    21. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The HOLY BIBLE'S purpose is to reveal to man all things past and future concerning earth by using historical events to represent certain spiritual things. Like Romans 1:20 say, the things made makes visible the unseen things eliminating excuses.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      John 4:23-24! 

      Rm 8:5-14 says (in part) "...For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life & peace..."

      We should ask HS for revelation of "Spiritual" things (allegories, metaphors, illustrations, etc.)! We no carnal!

    23. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, When spiritually born we need not ask HS for we spend our time 24/7 meditating (Psalm 1) & HS reveals it to us through that mediation.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: When "new" revelation is given you from someone , you do not "Search the Scriptures to see if so" (Acts 17:11)?

      "Searching the Scriptures" praying & asking HS for "additional revelation" is the role of a "MATURING"  believer!  II Cor 3:18.

    25. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      To Chris they have something of evidence that they establish their faith on.So even though people use scriptures they are already convinced they just practice their faith by sharing scriptures with others.

    26. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, I've read almost every passage provided but they do not negate what HS has taught me.  HS reveals meditation is praying (Psalm 1) and opening one to receive its comprehension.  I live in constant meditation remaining open 24/7 to receive from HS

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: I agree! But "mediate on His Word" (Joshua 1:8) "...that thou mayest "observe" (the apostles) to do according to ALL that is written therein..."

      Gal 1:6-9

    28. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      My meditation shows me to observe what is written about the christ to do the same.  If I observed the apostles I would be a Laodicean who knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: (Rev. 3:17) like many others

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: Do we not NOW live under Grace? Have u considered the dispensation in which we NOW live? Did not Christ come, die, sent HS, talked thru apostles via HS telling us what to do for salvation? If not, "Accursed!" Gal 1:6-9.  "Study!"

    30. The0NatureBoy profile image45
      The0NatureBoyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      NW, Yes, grace as Isa 7:15-16 defines it. Yes,We are in the Laodicean dispensation. Yes, Jesus died and the HS came to talk to each individual via their heart and inward part.  I rather be accursed for obeying the HS than Paul and/or the apostles.