Can God create a rock so heavy that he cannot move it?

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   carolegalassiposted 14 years ago

   God can do anything and everything?  God cannot lie or be tempted.

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      aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      So, what's your question?

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      mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      If he couldn't move the rock he made he wouldn't be god.
      
      If he can spin these huge spherical balls or planets and stars with such mind blowing precision he can lift a very heavy rock as well.
      Earth spins or a day is 23 hrs 59 min and 56 secs, now this is ridiculous but true, something a human cannot dream of doing.

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      Don Wposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      If you're referring to the classical Christian/Judaic notion of God, which I assume you are (please correct me if I'm wrong) then the implication of your question is incorrect. According to that notion, God is deemed omnipotent (all powerful) which is not the same as saying God can do anything as your OP implies. The classical Christian definition of God does not assert that God can "do anything" (even though some Christians do). Go figure.
      
      According to the classical concept, God cannot do the logically impossible. This isn't inconsistent with the notion of omnipotence though which is about infinite power. No amount of power (even infinite power) could make the scenario you describe possible. So the contradiction implied by your question is not actually there.

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         mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         God cannot do the logically impossible.Whats impossible for us humans is not impossible for God.
         
         Like the story of Paramhansa Yogananda and his master. Paramhansa Yogananda was always lost in divine contemplation and didn't study much.Then came the time for his exams and he approached his master for help. The master told him you will pass or else god will change the position of the sun and moon .
         
         What ever pages he flips through exactly those come for his exam . Then I cannot remember properly but the passing marks needed were 40% , he gets 355 and surprisingly for that year they change the rules and make the passing marks 35%.
         
         He goes to his master and tell him the news that he has passed his exams to which the master replies well it was easier for god to pass you in his exams than change the position of the sun and moon.

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      Tom Cornettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Kidney stone? 

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      ionericeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      This is something that the bible states that Gawd couldn’t do.
      
      [And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.]

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   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   This would be which god?
   this nasty neurotic one?
   
      If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.   (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

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      aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Give it a rest, mate.

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         What is your problem. Don't like to read from the bible?

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            aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            We've been here before!
            You are seriously stuck in a negative frame of mind, AND the OT.

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               earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I disagree, my mind is very positive, I just do not share your enthusiasm for fairy stories.

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                  aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Neither do I (fairy stories, I mean).
                  Big Bang Theory, spontaneous origin of life in some puddle, etc.

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   limengnemoposted 14 years ago

   God is God! He could even kill himself!

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      owurakwasipposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      GOD does not kill; period. However, the devil is a KILLER. He possesses death; he is death itself.

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         and made by god according to you! What a soft headed belief!

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   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   I think your science knowledge is in urgent need of an update.

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      aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      So does your understanding of the TRUE Gospel, vs religion.

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         The true gospel being your version out of the thousands right?

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            aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            You have never gotten MY version yet!! So how can you know (assume) what it is?
            I must say, though, I never knew there are "thousands". See, you learn something every day.

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               earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I know I have not had your version yet, but I do make the point again,,,, why in all hell would you assume your version is right?
               
               I know the bible and quoran very well, and I could site so many parallels between the two. The main thing that all religion is based on is fear.
               It makes more money that way.

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                  aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Why would you assume it is WRONG? Esp, since you don't know what it is?
                  It would take too long to respond to this one. Suffice it to say, where there is a genuine, there is a counterfeit. Similar, yes, but still different.
                  As for fear, I am not in it for FEAR, NOR the money.

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                     earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Most people would not be in it for the fear, but the instigators of your belief system were all about creating fear.

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                        aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Sorry Ernest, but you are still only referring to "organized religion". Something I am NOT part of. I am not in it for fear, I did not become a believer (@age 20) because of fear. In fact, fear is considered an undesirable (emotion), or an enemy of the soul, etc. I REJECT fear!

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                           earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Then I guess you have to explain away one hell of a lot of the bible!

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                              aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              No, not really. You just have to put things into right context. You did read where it says
                              prefect love casts out fear". I don't deny fear, just it's right to run my life.

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                                 earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 Good for you! It should not run our lives.

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                           atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           It is an unbelieving heart that fears. It is the fear that drives them to argue endlessly over the validity of the Bible and God.
                           Fear that they will one day be held accountable.
                           
                           They suffer under their delusions that life ends meaninglessly because inside they too feel meaningless. No real purpose just here. How sad it is really. To have no purpose beyond what we see here in this life.
                           
                           To hide from Gods love. To lie to yourself, to others and be deceived and be content in that deceit.
                           Really all we can do as the body of Christ is pray for them and lift them up to God. 
                           
                           Oh I am sure I will get all sorts of backlash for the truths I just stated. But I consider the source of it all.
                           And trust in my God at the end of day.

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   Lady_Eposted 14 years ago

   Everyone knows that He can do anything. Nothing's too hard...nothing's impossible.
   
   I'm just trying to work out where you are coming from i.e the motive of your question.

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   andromidaposted 14 years ago

   I think he simply won't create that kind of heavy rock.He does not love to lose control if we all agree to the concept of all mighty.Who wanna lose his almighty attribute?

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   Pr0metheusposted 14 years ago

   If he wanted to, yes he could.  He can do whatever he wants.  But then again, if he wanted to move the rock he could do that too.  (Maybe move the space around the rock, not the rock itself.)

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   starme77posted 14 years ago

   The thing is - there are 365 different versions of the Bible and each one has its own belief - see - but there can only be one God - just one - its not like 365 different Gods all got  together and made everything - I mean there are some good stories in all of the the Bibles but putting all that bible stuff aside - and just knowing him is my best advice -  been hangin with him since I was six years old and he hasn't steered me wrong yet

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   owurakwasipposted 14 years ago

   God does not move rocks. He moves people like you and me to do good things. Helping each other is one of those good things.

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    Don Wposted 14 years ago

    I think carolegalassi needs to define her terms. It would help to know which concept of God she is using.
    
    As I say, if it's the classical Christian definition, then according to that definition God cannot do something which is logically impossible, or which is contrary to God's nature.
    
    The rock scenario is the same as asking can God become non-omnipotent. The answer (according to a classical definition) is no. God can never be non-omnipotent. God cannot do something that would cause God to not be God.
    
    Omnipotence (at least the definition of omnipotence most widely used in Christian theology) does not include the ability to do what is impossible by definition. So saying the feat described in the scenario is impossible for God, while maintaining that God is omnipotent is logically consistent.

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    ScarletRyan1970posted 14 years ago

    What about Ayres Rock in Australia.
    We will have to get a few Australian Aborginals to join in here.

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Our aboriginal friends have a history of at least 40,000 years.
       All their myths revolve around the earth and it's creatures.
       They pass on their moral beliefs with stories and pictures.
       
       Many of them were torn from their families by white zealots who abused the kids for many years, our Government is trying to clean up the churches mess and convict abusers that are still alive.
       Our churches are full of pedophiles, and one gets caught occasionally.

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          atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          And you blame the whole body of believers for this?
          Consider the source earnest, Sin.

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             earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             It is "believers" in the churches who commit many of these crimes. Sexually repressed religious zealots are high in the stats for molesting children.

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                aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Interesting! Last time Iheard the stats, only about 2% of Aussies are churchgoers, yet they seem to account for all the "child abuse" accusations. So, that means that the rest (98%+/-) of the population is totally innocent of all these same charges.
                Funny, that???

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                   earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   
                   I would find it hard to believe only 2%
                   Australia has a lot of religious people. approximately one in three Australians are Christians!

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                      aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Ok. Let's plug in these numbers. ALL, the pedophiles, child molesters and child abusers (in general) come exclusively from the 1 in 3 group?

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                         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         Yes, a very high percentage of child abuse is from within religious schools and institutions as it is in many countries.

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    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    Properly stated Earnest, Believers in the Church are not necessarily following who they think that they are.
    
         I believe that Jesus died on the Cross that we can see and follow Him.  We can not let anything eclipse this relationship.
         God put his laws in our hearts
         We do not need the pharisee to add any other laws upon his.
         
         If we can not see the leader how can we say that we are actually following HIM.
         
         The disciples spoke of infiltrators in the Church even back then.
    
         Satan can do the greatest damage when he pretends to be leading a Church in the right direction when in FACT ???
         
         Can't be too careful. We should keep our eyes on the true leader.  If we follow someone that we believe to be a follower,???????????

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    ionericeposted 14 years ago

    In the book of Joshua it states that he asked Gawd to stop the Sun and the Moon for 24 hours while he fought against the Amorites.  This is totally impossible and Galileo was put in jail because his theory of the Universe and our solar system would have shown any intelligent human being that the story in the bible was absolutely wrong. In 1976 Pope John Paul admitted that Galileo was right.  (God didn’t and couldn’t stop the Sun)

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