The Christian Bible says A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.

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   whoisbidposted 13 years ago

   The Christian Bible says  A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.
   
   I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet ( 1 Tim 2:11.12)
   Why do fundamentalist christians who believe that the bible is the word of God never teach what the bible says in 1 Tim 2:11,12 ? Are they afraid of following the word of God?

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   Eddie-Perkinsposted 13 years ago

   When you say “fundamentalist Christians” you are generalizing and categorizing a lot of folks with different beliefs and practices.  I’ve been called a fundamentalist and I can assure you I am not afraid of following the Word of God. But I do believe one must properly read the Word of God in context and I believe the Holy Spirit will reveal truth at different stages of our spiritual growth that we do not always see in our own abilities which accounts for sincere Bible students seeing things differently.
   So looking at 1Timothy 2:11-12 context it is clear the woman is not to teach a man or have authority over the man. Paul says elsewhere that the elder women are to teach the younger women and also that women are to teach their children.  I completely agree with the Word of God, now other men may choose to put themselves under the authority of a woman – that is not ALL fundamentalist nor is it ALL Christian men or churches.

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   wychicposted 13 years ago

   Lol -- maybe they're afraid of their wives. There are a number of references that are conveniently left out in various scholarly debates. In fact, those who like to quote them will generally use the quotes that appear to support their position, and leave it up to their opponent to know their Bible well enough to contradict them. Sadly, there are very few with opposing views who take the time to really learn it well in order to offer an intelligent rebuttal based on the same point of reference.

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   ElderYoungManposted 13 years ago

   Yes, there is a fear factor in the Christian Church right now.  We have a bad habit of cherry-picking the Bible to ensure that everybody is comfortable on Sunday, while the history of the whole book is challenging the norm and status quo.  Now, I'm not saying women don't have a prominent place in the ministry of God and also in the building of the Kingdom (Easter, Ruth, The Phrophetess Deborah) but even those great women of the Bible observed a protocol that we don't see in today's Church.

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   Brenda Durhamposted 13 years ago

   Timothy was part of setting up the first churches during those times, as was Paul and the other disciples.   Yes, that's the ideal setup, where men of God have the authority in the Church.   Women were not supposed to interrupt the service with questions;  they were supposed to keep the children under control, etc. 
   And they still are.  Women were hearing the Word for the first time!  They needed to learn it before they could preach it or even practice it.
   
   ....I believe that if churches were still set up that way, there would be no need for  women to speak out.   But are they set up that way?   Not many!  Because men seem to think that they're allowed to say whatever they want to from the pulpits and no one is supposed to question their interpretations or authority;  they often speak about personal things, tell little funny stories, and/or give outlandish interpretations of the Word, hoping, I guess, to draw people in with their own personality, charisma, or some "new" prophecy,  when they should be sticking to Scripture and examples of how it can be applied to today's life too.   Also, most church services are set up around a schedule of meetings and events about everything from church dinners to auctions to sports events to God-knows-what, often quenching the Spirit instead of focusing on the Word.
   I'm saying the men should BE men of God first and foremost;  then the women would be able to submit to their authority.  Read 1Timothy 3 about how men are supposed to be, in order to have that authority!
   There are other places in Scripture where women are given the authority to speak and teach in church.  Read Titus 2: 4.
   And Paul's admonishment on this subject has often been taken off onto tangents (usually by men) that are either misinterpretations of even the word "silence" and are used by egotistical men to keep their wives under their thumbs for their own selfish reasons.

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   Cassie Smithposted 13 years ago

   Your quotes are the words of Paul and are part of the Pauline letters, this particular one is to Timothy.  I think you should have a better understanding of the new testament before you ask any questions.

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   HOOWANTSTONOposted 13 years ago

   Firstly it was Paul speaking, and not God. Paul was following the Spiritual law of Jesus Christ and his Bride the church and teaching by it, eg: Wives submit unto your husbands as the church submits to God........Husbands love your wives as Christ loves the Church and gave himself for it.
   Its not a Law that is written down but a conscience towards God each and everyone to practice.

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   ii3rittlesposted 13 years ago

   Most people can't handle the truth. The truth of the matter is, no woman should be preaching or teaching the bible unless its a mother to her own children. This world is messed up because woman wanted to be "equal" and have "equal rights" to men. According to God, woman are to tend to their family. They are to become wives, then mothers and take care of their husband, their kids and their home. But HEY! Don't tell that to the mother of 5 who drops her kids off at a strangers house so she can have a carrier "outside of the home". I am all for woman "having rights", but if your a wife, your job is to be a wife and if your a mother, your job is to be a mother. Women lost their sense of where they belong. I may sound like an egotistical man, but I am in fact a 23 year old woman. Woman aren't emotionally wired to lead unless it is their own children. This is how a marriage/family should be according to the bible....
   
   God/Lord before husband (Husband answers to God
   Husband before Wife (Wife answers to Husband and God)
   And Wife(Mother) before children and home.
   
   A man's job is to bring home the food, a woman's is to cook it. A man's job is to spread his seed, a woman's is to tend to it (give birth and raise the child). I may get a lot of thumbs down for this... But I don't care. People are so spiritually lost they don't know left from right or whats up from down.
   
   People need to learn God's word from their own heart's, not the mouth's of other people.
   
   Think about it this way, If w woman were to be what the bible suggests, there would be less divorces, less single parents, and far less adultery! A big part of the bond between a man and a woman is sex which is why it is intended for two people in marriage. In marriage, the only time (or days) a married couple should refrain from sex is while a woman is menstruating or if the husband or wife is ill. Men need sex and woman need to start being real wives! Most adultery is caused by men and women who don't take love, sex, marriage and family seriously.

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   AlMonseesposted 13 years ago

   I always look towards a little history for verses like these. Paul was writing to Timothy, who he sent to the church at Ephesus to counter false teacher that was there (1 Tim 1:3,4), with some practical advice for the ministry. Understanding that during this time the Jewish culture didn't allow women to study, this is actually opening the doors for them. Paul is saying they are allowed to study and to encourage it.
   
   At the same time, you are looking at women who have never studied before, so they don't have enough knowledge or experience yet. Without knowledge or experience, the possibility of teaching something false, even if it might not  be on purpose, is high. No different then us asking our teachers to have experience before they teach our children. These women had no firm knowledge of the old testament, so they didn't have the ability yet to discern the truth.
   
   This is not to say that women were not allow to teach at all. Paul talks about Prisca and her husband teaching. Paul also praises Timothy's grandmother Lois and mother Eunice who taught Timothy is faith.
   
   So Paul is saying that teaching doesn't have to do with male or female, but with knowledge and experience.

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