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   william.m.posted 14 years ago

   "They walked no more with Him."John 6. It is the duty of all who profess Christianity to hold communion with Christ, and converse with Him and publicly own Him in the midst of "a crooked and perverse nation."without which the greatest pretences of a secret friendship is of no avail. John.12:42 &43. .So when men do not do as is commanded of them in the scriptures ,it is a sign of woeful apostasy. "They walked no more with Him nor wait upon His ministry".Isaiah 5:20 "To the law and to the testimony if they speak not according to this word , it is because there is no light in them."

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      atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Amen!

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      Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      "They walked no more with Him." is John 6:67 in the Catholic Bible.
      
      Coincidentally or not the same verse in Protestant Bibles is John 6:66.
      
      To a Catholic this verse means to reject the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist.
      
      This is very important, in fact John chapter 6 is the most important chapter in the entire Bible because Jesus says this in the same chapter, "Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day."
      
      Note how Jesus did not say to eat His Body and drink His Blood symbolically.
      
      But what you are talking about is heresy not apostasy.  Apostasy is to reject the whole truth while heresy is to reject just part of the truth.

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         aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         He also said that His words were "spirit, and they were life" Nothing to do with any eucharist.

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      yes2truthposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      This is yet another classic example of blasphemously quoting Holy Scriptures out of context. The above diatribe is utter intellectual nonsense and the reading into the Holy Scriptures of crap that plainly isn't there.
      
      Here are both the verses:
      
      John 6:65-66 (KJV) And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. 66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
      
      They walked no more with Him because they could not accept The Truth that the Father had called them to His Son.
      
      Now why could they not accept it? Easy, because they thought they had accepted Him i.e. on their terms and on their say so. These arrogant so and so's then went off and started their Christian Religion and two thousand years later nothing has changed, for mainstream Christianity is still walking away from Him.

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   frogdroppingposted 14 years ago

   The apostasy is probably why religion is such a mess. Too many people with too many stories, each adding their personal spin. Now we have religions coming out of our ears. Onto our plates too. Pastafarians abound.
   
   What is the actual question or point?

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   \Brenda Scullyposted 14 years ago

   does apostacy mean speaking against christ, i forgot what it means actually

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      Daniel Carterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It means:
      "The abandonment or renunciation of a religious or political belief"
      as per Webster.
      
      In the New Testament, it refers to loss of belief of what Jesus taught. Usually due to his death and not being able to be present to insure the accuracy and purity of what he taught. In other words, most other human beings interpreted what he taught according their own understanding, thus diluting it.
      
      This is the natural course of every teaching. So then it becomes our own personal responsibility to learn what those truths truly are. They are available to us by searching our own souls, being aware and connecting with God as we understand how to do that.
      
      That's what I understand at this point in my life.

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      sarmackposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Apostacy is the one unforgivable sin.  It is to stand in the way of the Message or Messenger of God.  It is the saddest of all sins, because many people who commit apostacy believe that they are right in what they are doing in their life.  Apostacy leads to Eternal separation from God Himself.  In sharing Spirtual burdens - the sadness of the Soul of the person who has committed apostacy and now realizes that it doesn't matter what they do for the rest of their life, they will not see the Face of God when they leave here - is a sadness I cannot even describe, but I have shared it with many people.  Some very high up in the mankind church system.  It is very close to the same level of torture that a person who is considering suicide goes through.  I am Grateful that God allows me to share with these people, because it lessens the pain for them...

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   frogdroppingposted 14 years ago

   Something to do with renouncing faith. Or rejecting it. Or or or - turning your back on religion. I guess any/all brenda.

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   \Brenda Scullyposted 14 years ago

   wow atomswifey i came to see what you had written,expecting a great long sermon, and you only said amen,,,,,, well done

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   Make Moneyposted 14 years ago

   Yes2truth you need to read the whole chapter of John 6 to understand what is meant by "They walked no more with Him."  If you do you should clearly see that Jesus is talking about those that refuse to eat His Body and drink His Blood.  That is what the chapter is mainly about.  If that is what william.m. is saying when he says "It is the duty of all who profess Christianity to hold communion with Christ" then he is right.
   
   Just recently while looking through the Fathers of the Church I noticed that there is an English copy of the Liturgy of James, the Liturgy of Mark and the Liturgy of the Blessed Apostles.  The Liturgy is what is said in the Holy Mass.  Just like the Latin Mass of today or the English or vernacular Mass of today the priest in these three old Liturgies above says something like this, speaking of the Holy Spirit "That coming, by His holy and good and glorious appearing, He may sanctify this bread, and make it the holy body of Your Christ."
   
   The Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist has been offered daily for just about 2,000 years.
   
   When the priest holds the Eucharist high, like this image below Catholics say (not aloud) the same thing that doubting Thomas said when he finally realized and believed,
   
                     "My Lord and my God"
   
   
   Also in John 6 when Jesus asks His apostles "Will you also go away?" Simon Peter answered him: "Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life."
   
   I would like to invite everyone to attend a Catholic Mass at least one time in your life.  I think you will realize that it is not the nasty thing that you have been told it is.  Please be reverent if you do for you will be in the presence of Our Lord Jesus Christ.  You won't rightfully be able to receive the Holy Eucharist without going to the Sacrament of Reconciliation before hand, but if you go up with your arms crossed on your chest like the young children do the priest will bless you.
   
   God bless
   Mike

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   Cranooposted 14 years ago

   Religion is such a mess because you all broke away from the true Catholic church which was founded by Gods apostle:)

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      yes2truthposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Religion is in such a mess because it is a mess and none more so than the harlot of Rome which is the whore mother of all the Christian religion and its denominations.
      
      Founded by Simon Magus the sorcerer, not Simon Peter.

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   yes2truthposted 14 years ago

   "The Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist has been offered daily for just about 2,000 years."
   
   Ah yes, the blasphemy of blasphemies - transubstantiation.
   
   A follower or two of the Mother of Harlots raise their ugly heads.
   
   Not two thousand years, more like 1,800. When those other ugly illegitimates, the counterfeiting 'Church Fathers' showed their blasphemous heads. Philosophising dogs to a man.

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   yes2truthposted 14 years ago

   "Yes2truth you need to read the whole chapter of John 6 to understand what is meant by "They walked no more with Him."  If you do you should clearly see that Jesus is talking about those that refuse to eat His Body and drink His Blood.  That is what the chapter is mainly about.  If that is what william.m. is saying when he says "It is the duty of all who profess Christianity to hold communion with Christ" then he is right."
   
   No it's not, it's just as I said. The Lord repeats in John 6:65 what He says in John 6:44.
   
   No one can come to The Lord except The Father calls him or her - period.
   
   This is what all members of the Christian Religion cannot accept.

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    wesleycoxposted 14 years ago

    Hey! Here's some food for thought, most people don't care.  I know for sure that I don't.  And I am tired of seeing all these doggone religious post all over hubpages.  Give it a rest for the love of pete.  Go preach to your mirror.

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       yes2truthposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Go play somewhere else if you don't like it.

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          wesleycoxposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          That's just it person of religion, the religious posts are all over the front page. So I have to swim through a river of religion to get to something intelligent. Why are you debating the supernatural anyway?

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             \Brenda Scullyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             yes why

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             Sanctus Vesaniaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             How hard is it to click a few buttons?
             
             Why are you here in a thread that's specifically for the purpose of debating 'the supernatural'?
             
             I have a mind to go to every forum, and post "Why are you guys debating about this?"  and then when people tell me to go away, I'll say, "But I can't!  It's too difficult!!  I have to wade through this stuff!" 
             
             

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             yes2truthposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             No they're not, there are dozens of other topics on the front page other than these. All you have to do is go away.
             
             Furthermore, I am not a person, I am a living soul. If you want to know the difference look in Black's Law dictionary.
             
             Nor am I religious.

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    underhiswingsposted 14 years ago

    I always live by this one.
    
    "But he that endures to the end SHALL BE SAVED"
    
    No wiggle room there...just like an absolute!!!

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       yes2truthposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       That's what you think!
       
       What The Lord is really saying is this: He that IS saved shall endure to the end.
       
       No one, i.e. anyone who is not saved will not endure to the end. All those who are not chosen and sealed by The Godhead will perish at the end of this age.
       
       Furthermore, if we take it as written then salvation is no longer a gift but, rather, dependent upon our works and effort - a blasphemy.
       
       Here it is from the Greek:
       
       The yet one-under-remaining (enduring) into finish this one shall be, being saved.

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          underhiswingsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I am not backing up from what I said and I will add to it.
          Jesus mentions a time where apostates would run rampant, so a falling away from the faith is possible.
          Also Paul mentioned that we have to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith. He said this to believers. WHY?...because we can be found outside the faith obviously and that is after we were found in the faith.
          Paul also said to press on to obtain the prize. WHY? Because we can never assume we already have it.
          I could list more, but what for.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Each one of you is trying to be right from the same source! How funny is that? "NO my gods the only god!"

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       mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       If they new god they wouldn't think in this narrow manner.

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          tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          They think in this 'narrow' manner becuase they know God. God being the only truth for them, makes them 'narrow'.And God is so 'narrow' that he could only come with this 'narrow' creation full of limits and flaws.

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             mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Wrong philosophy.

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                tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                This is not a philosophy, it's an opinion. I think there's a difference

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    quietnessandtrustposted 14 years ago

    Traitors have no place in the realm of GOD.

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Who are the traitors? The ones that disagree with you?

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          Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          No, the ones that disagree with GOD (who just happens to agree with quietnessandtrust)

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