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   chukra Gposted 13 years ago

   if you are an ATHEIST, whatever info that has been installed about god in your brain is wrong,that is why you are atheist, if you are a BELIEVER whatever info about god that has been installed in your brain is wrong too,that is why you called yourself as believer... we humans are idiots that is why we are still killing each others. humans are virus to earth
   
   
   
   when dark is absent of light.
   atheist is absent of believers.(its mean none of you are a believer)

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      Paragliderposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Well, I am neither atheist nor believer. The Rationalist position is that neither stance is necessary. But I'm not about to join your little select club if the best you can do is call everyone else an idiot.

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         Sue Adamsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         hear hear

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      tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Humans are virus to earth.
      That's why it's so silly to believe in a God so virulent .

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         prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         lol!
         
         dont want to be called an idiot, I am a flower

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            Paragliderposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            A flower and a horse together?

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               prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               yes paraglider, I am a horse and a flower too, how are you?

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                  Paragliderposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  In pretty good shape, for a piece of wood

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                     prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     oh cmon (you are not like that) am singing in karaoke now, join me here, am waiting for your 100th article now...

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                        Paragliderposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        I'm waiting for inspiration

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                           prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           oh ok,(what kind of inspiration?), some thoughts for a new article, gentle loving,   but I will check everyday if you have posted one already, \
                           
                           you have lots of nice articles, put them together and publish it,,,,

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      Poppa Bluesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      We humans are many things, but idiots? I wouldn't say we were idiots. We are after all the most successful species to occupy the planet, in spite of our flaws and every species has their flaws.

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         cosetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I always find it interesting that a perfect "God" (the Christian god) would "intelligently design" something as flawed and imperfect as humans. we break down and get sick easily, are prone to rages and deep depressions, etc.
         
         plus if I were going to design living creatures I would have made them so they would never break down or have to do things like shave their legs or go to the bathroom or have 'that time of the month'.

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            Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            WTG Cosette!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            
               
                 

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               cosetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  it just makes sense....

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      Lady_Eposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      ....and what's the verdict if you are a Muslim and Microsoft Islam has been installed in your brain?

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      getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      No disrespect, but this makes no sense at all!!!

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      starme77posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Is calling people idiots a God thing or what ? I guess the bible must say somewhere that its o.k to call people idiots - I don't know  but as crazy as that book is - i'll bet it can be rationalized in there somewhere

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         Lady_Eposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Chukra is not a Christian and the Bible is not a crazy book.

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            Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            It may not be 'crazy', per se, but it isn't based on any facts, either.
            
            And, just in case- if you ask me to provide proof 'god' doesn't exist....I would say that anything outside of reality is what doesn't exist.
            
            On top of that- if the 'bible' or any other religious text, didn't exist....you wouldn't believe in this so-called 'higher' authority.
            
            Now, would you?

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            starme77posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            O.k maybe the bible isn't a crazy book - bad choice of words, It's a man made book - put together from beginning to end by man , there are 360 some odd versions of "The Bible" and all say diffrent things  - hmmmmmmmmm does that give ya a clue?

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               elliot.dunnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               do they really all say different things? how different are we talking?

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                  starme77posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  A wonderful friend of mine - a homeless man with cancer - read every single one of em and said the king james version was the worst of all - he dosn't believe all that man made book stuff either and he read em all
                  read em and see what you think

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         Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            
         
         I find it interesting that the "bible" tells people not to judge, yet you can rest assure that those who follow a 'religion' of some sort, are willing to make that leap too and say that those who don't believe are fools.
         
         Contradiction!
         
         Sounds like something a mystical entity would do. So much for perfection.
         
             

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      elliot.dunnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      an attack on epistemology, even more so an attack on truth.  my understanding is that you're essentially saying that not only can we, as idiot humans, not perceive truth, there is no objective truth.  would you say there is objective truth?

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      Madame Xposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Wow! I just love being called an idiot. I'll see if I can remember to fan you, but I might be too stupid to carry a thought that long

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      Stevennix2001posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      actually, your right.  all humans by definition are idiots whether they choose to believe it or not. religion was always intended to bring peace and prosperity within humanity.  even according to the ten commandments, it teaches forgiveness and "thou shalt not kill."  however, we kill in the name of religion all the time.  in fact, its a statistical fact, that more wars are started over religion than anything else. 
      
      yet religion is supposed to bring about harmony and the best in us, not the worst. 
      
      then we get into technology aspects of man achievements, and what have we really done?  nothing to be quite frank.  sure, we made a few strides here and there, but its nothing that won't benefit humanity if we keep going down the road we're going.  we have so many inventions on how to kill each other, but we don't have anything to benefit mankind in case of real catastrophic events.  like did you guys know that astrologers predict in 2037, there's a meteor about the size of texas heading this way towards earth.
      
      for those that don't know, thats the same size of the meteor that took out the dinosaurs a million some odd years ago.  in case you were wondering.  yet instead of building the technology to either repel that thing or space travel to evacuate to another inhabitable planet.  we're investing millions into nuclear bombs to blow each other up, just because most nations don't all believe in the same ideals.

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         Paragliderposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Astrologers?? I won't hold my breath

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            Jewelsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I'm an astrologer and I won't hold my breath either.  But do you mean astronomers?  Just checking.

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               Stevennix2001posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               oops.  sorry, it thought i put down astronomers, but i guess i didn't.  my bad.  i guess i really need to be more thorough in my spell checks.  lol.  anyway, i heard about it on the science channel about how astronomers predict a meteor to hit us around 2037.  in fact, the armaggedon movie was based on that.

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                  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  The Book of Revelation alludes to something similar. Only, NO DATE given.
                  I would definitely hold my breath, but I doubt I could last more that 30secs.

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                     Paragliderposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     The difference is, of course, that astronomers have to see the meteor first, then work out its trajectory. Astrologers can just ask Pluto...

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                        aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Prophecy works by "seeing" in another way than telescopes.

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                        Stevennix2001posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                         
                        
                        actually scientists have discovered this meteor a while back as science has continued to evolve my friend with satelite photos and such.  in fact, the meteor is called apophis.  here's a link if you wanna read up about it.  trust me this is no joke.  humanity needs to get its act together and say forget all this religious difference and start to work together for the greater good.  otherwise, we're all going to freaking die.  here's the link for anyone that doubts my claim.
                        
                        http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2005/ … n.research

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                           aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Sorry for sounding a bit cynical, but what IS the greater good? And what will it matter if we ALL die at the end?

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                              Stevennix2001posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              your missing my point.  my point is this, for all our technology and endless bickering over money and which god to worship, we're all going to die if we don't do something about this impending tragedy.  im not referring to anyone here specifically, but mankind in general needs to get their act together.  otherwise, we're all going to die.  instead of trying to invent a new type of new type of gun or weapon to kill each other, or wasting money on all these senseless wars.  this is time and money that could be going to save humanity.  in the end thats more important than trying to prove which god is real and who's the strongest among us all are.  because in death we're all equals anyway.

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                                 aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 No, not really. I got your point. You propose a solution that cannot be achieved. NO WAY.
                                 Why? Because humans are (hell) bent on division. There is no consensus on a single major issue in the world. There isn't even a priority list of ABSOLUTELY MUST DO, (or else we perish). We have multiplicity of politics, cultures, religions, resources, etc. We are headed for (a  certain) doomsday, and we cannot change it. There is NO WILL strong enough to do it. SORRY.

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                                    Stevennix2001posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                      look i understand what your saying, and im not disagreeing with you by any means.  in fact, if you read my first post on here, i even stated that humans by definition were idiots.  Mainly because we can't put aside our own petty differences for the greater good like i was trying to say.

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                                    Paragliderposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    Having a good day?
                                    
                                    I do remember reading about this meteor though it wasn't certain by any means that it would collide. In fact it wouldn't have to, if it passes close enough, gravitational perturbations and possible orbit shift would do the job just as well!
                                    
                                    There are other doomsday scenarios too, like Yellowstone Park super volcano. If/when that blows, we're all toast. No-one ever said we were here for life, but I 'm not as negative about our chances as you seem to be!

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   Minnalousheposted 13 years ago

   Why So Serious?
   
   Do you think your insight hasn't been installed? Why or why not?

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      chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      not serious. why can't humans learn to use their brain .

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         shanekrugerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         humans should remember one thing "use your head before it is useless"

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   marcofratelliposted 13 years ago

   I'm not human, i'm a tree, so therefore I am not an idiot.

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      Am I dead, yet?posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Marco, I must say I love your comment bits here, and also your 'tweets' I laugh so hard--you don't even know. Just popped in here to say just that! I love your hilarious tweets! w00t!

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         marcofratelliposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         hehe, thank you so much!

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   earnestshubposted 13 years ago

   Not a lot of room to move is there?

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      marcofratelliposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Um... no! lol
      
      Your options to escape idiocy are:
      a) be a plant
      b) be an animal
      c) be an alien

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         chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         you are nice

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            earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I would accept the title of idiot. We humans are as thick as two planks sometimes, or at least this human is!

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               Lisa HWposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               "Idiot" I can go with (for me, as well).  "Viruses" - no.   

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   Lisa HWposted 13 years ago

   chukra, well that's an unpleasant view of humans.      I like to think I contribute a little something to this life.  I don't kill anyone, and I do use my brain.  Most of the other human beings I know are pretty much like I am, so maybe it depends on who we hang out with or what view our individual brains take.  The people I know aren't "viruses to the Earth".  Caring, good, peaceful, people are, I think, part of the vibrancy of life on Earth.  Some people may be "viruses", but the rest of us are working on that.   

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   Minnalousheposted 13 years ago

   I don't mind being an idiot. It would be far scarier to think of what we know now (2009) as something passing for intelligence. Unless one believes in finite intelligence, we'll always be just a minuscule ratio of the known to unknown. Perhaps we have other purposes besides being ... "knowledgeable?"

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      cheaptrickposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I agree,we occupy a miniscule position on the continuum of perception,awareness,and consciousness but human arrogance requires that any thing out side of our understanding be Humanized which gives rise to all sorts of myths and supernatural explanations.seems to me its OK to just say"I Don't Know!"

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         earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         We a seem to be in full agreement on this.

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   zadrobiposted 13 years ago

   I sense irony in this thread

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   The Ropeposted 13 years ago

   Generalizations are easy...(see I thought this one up in less than a second)...

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   tantrumposted 13 years ago

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      prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      lol again

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         Home Girlposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         ----Amen!!!

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    Revive@OwnRiskposted 13 years ago

    Sometimes I'm sure I'm an idiot. I think, however, I make up for it by being tolerant of those who call everyone else idiots. At least it's a good laugh.

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       Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I am tolerant of those idiots that are all around me. Until they act like  they are less of an idiot than I am.
          Then I act more like one. Dont like it when I do that

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    UPStarposted 13 years ago

    "The fool has said in his heart there is no god." psalm 14:1
    I think the "idiots" are the ones who want to deny the existence of God because then they know they would be accountable to Him... and thats kinda scary when you can't seem to stop sinning and even want to sin.
    "The fear of the Lord is the BEGINNING of wisdom." Proverbs 1:7

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       tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Speak for yourself. I don't fear any God, thank you !

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       Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       To fear a "god" is to believe it exists. I can not fear anything that is not part of reality.

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       Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Secondly, I am accountable to myself and no other.

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       getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I guess that confims that nonbelievers are fools. That's cruel and arrogant and childish. I either believe there is a god or I'm a fool? RIGHT!  I guess Einstein, Lincoln, Mark Twain and Jefferson were all fools!!!

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          tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          We are all fools... but happy !
          Can she/he say the same ?
          I doubt it !

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             getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Probably not

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    Crazdwriterposted 13 years ago

    lol reading this thraed made me laugh. Especially the religios fanatic saying that those who don't believe are idiots. Ah I have to agree with Cagsil that the bible does say not to judge others but those who believe are CONSTANTLY judging. That is why my beliefs have changed...I do believe in God but I also believe in other things such as magic, fairies...things like that. And I also believe that people should believe what they want to believe whether it be another type of religion or don't believe at all.
    
    
    So yes I guess I'm an idiot and damn proud of it too LMAO

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       tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Here's another !!

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          Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          lol hey tantrum can I join the Idiot club? According to another person on here I am on a path of destruction LMAO

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    Sedric Dawynposted 13 years ago

    Crazdwriter, I do understand what you mean, but the thing is.. is there is ah HUGE different between religion and being spiritual. I am spiritual. I believe in some form of higher intelligence that created all. There are some things that just cannot be explained from a tongue, nor on paper or a thread like this. Things that we just hsve to have an open mind too just say "It just is" Smile and move on. You see, we are here for one purpose, for spiritual enlightenment. Do you know what it really means to be enlightened? It means perfect thoughts all the time that do not stray. No worries at all because you know that all is in good fortune. unconditional love all the time.. That is so hard to do especially when you know the persno knew what they were doing was wrong, they do it anyways, then they feel bad about it, et cetera. That is all the human in us, the part that grows with our bodies our brains not our minds. Our minds and our  spirits well they know more.. more lifetimes. We continue to live lives and have dreams of ou past lives to better our path for enlightenment. It is just almost utterly impossible to if you want to put it in words like of a game. We get extra lives to make to the end and once we beat it, We can help guide others. We can even get the option to be spirit guides, but the thing is, is words cannot really explain , I mean, I can go in and on and stray off the topic but that wouldn't be good. But we are here for spiritual einlightenment, it doesn't matter what religion you are, it is just a name. Every language their word means god or higher being creator et cetera, so yea. I mean come on of course we are killing each other. Everyone is missing the big picture, not only that but some people are just of chaos they will just destroy until they are physically stopped and that is sad. But i'm done with this for now as I dont intend to write a novel.

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       Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       There is NO difference between religion and being spiritual. You maintain your spirituality through your belief of religious text. Meaning, you really don't understand life itself.
       
       
       
       A higher intelligence higher than man's proven intelligence defies reality. Therefore, can only be imagined. If you imagine something- it doesn't make it real.
       
       See: Aristotle definition of reality- Reality exists independently of thoughts, will, desires, or wishes. Reality is all knowable.
       
       
       
       That may be your purpose. How ever, it is not the purpose of life.
       
       
       
       Just in case you didn't know....your Brain is your mind, these are NOT two separate things.
       
       
       
       This above section is ludicris to say the least. You get ONE life and you're suppose to live it, by being beneficial to society, as a whole. The purpose of your life is to be determined by you, your own thoughts and defined by your actions. There isn't a so-called 'divine' plan.
       
       
       
       Everyone is missing the big picture, because they have been LIED to, not because of any other reason.
       
       If religion and/or religious text didn't exist. You own understanding wouldn't have come to be what it is today.
       
       So, with that said- let's keep it real.

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    Crazdwriterposted 13 years ago

    okay? Sedric I do know that there is a HUGE difference between the two. And being open minded doesn't mean to me just smile and move on. Obviously you don't know me so why sit there and lecture me? To me you are being very closed minded.

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    Lisa HWposted 13 years ago

    If there is a God who created human beings then I'd think He wouldn't have created nothing but "idiots".  (Sure, he may have created SOME idiots.  Why - we'll never know.  )  If there's no God then people who don't believe in Him aren't idiots, but neither are people who feel they gain something from having faith (in view of the fact that nobody can know for sure while we're on Earth).
    
    So, to me, to sum it up:  We can all be idiots at times.  Most of us aren't idiots in general.  Some of us are idiots all the time (no doubt about that).  Some of us may even be in the minority of being worthless pieces of dirt (child predators, etc.).  Calling God's human creations "idiots" insults God, but if there's no God then people who don't believe are not idiots - and having said all that, none of us are viruses (or bacteria or fungus, for that matter).   

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       Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       lmao Lisa...and they say that God made man in the likeness of Him....where does that fit in with us idiots?

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          tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Put 2 & 2 together . 

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    Sedric Dawynposted 13 years ago

    i did not mean to lecture, and if I did I apologize but the saying  that we are in the like image of god is meaning our spirits. Our spiritual essence is connected with this divine intelligence or god as most call it. And when I mean just smile and walk away hell no I dont mean literally, it is a form I say to mean what the hell else can I do? And when I was using an example I was in no means meaning you are anyone. I am speaking in general terms. I do tend to speak in a little different twist of words. I do apologize again. As far as open minded it is really hard like I was saying in my previous post, to be completely open minded. It is a challenge for us. There is a saying an open heart is an open mind... I find that difficult at times to open my heart. My Anahata which is the sanskrit for i love is the fourth chakra. It closes up defensivly. We all can do nothing more than do our best to keep on going in life.

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       Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I love all of humanity. At times, I don't like their actions, but that doesn't mean I love each person any less.
       
       Humans are flawed and can not obtain the perfection described by religious text.
       
       Besides, the 'spirit' you claim to have is a man-made definition. The 'spirit' of a person is not a physical or even an energy manifestation. It's a word that describes a person actions of not willing to give up.
       
       Just like the word 'soul'. It is also a man-made word that describes a person through their own actions. A person can seem to have a good 'soul' because they don't demean other people and help those who do not understand. He/She would be consider of a good 'soul'.
       
       Again, let's keep it real.

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       Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Well luckily for me I have overcome the challenge of being completely open minded and open hearted when it come to other ppl. I accept them for who they are, flaws and all, as well as religios beliefs or no religious beliefs. I was raised to accept everyone and I have. Yes tehre are those who tick me off and I don't accept but that is because they had shown me that they can't be trusted or that they are very closed minded people. I give them at least 2 chances but after those two...i do push them away.

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    Sedric Dawynposted 13 years ago

    diseases, illnesses are our body's ways of telling us sometihng is wrong. Our body is like our vehicle. All illness comes from mental illness first that gets imbedded into our chakras and causes physical illness later. Cancer et cetera can be prevented if treated before it becomes known as the physical disease. Any illness period.

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    ryankettposted 13 years ago

    I am neither an Athiest or a Believer, so shove your hypothesis up your arsehole; there is only one 'idiot' here - and that's you. Label me at your peril.

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       chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       understand you first. than i will accept your word.if not u will remain idiot till your last breath, absolute truth.

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       starme77posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Ditto

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    Crazdwriterposted 13 years ago

    Cosette I love the way your brain works.
    
    And that goes the same for you Cagsil. You two rock!

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       Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Thank you very much Crazdwriter.

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          Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          You are very welcome.

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       cosetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         thanks CW...

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          Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          anytime Cosette and I have to say LOVE YOU PIC! OMG I love Charlie Brown movies.

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    Sedric Dawynposted 13 years ago

    the bible is a book of stories that was deciphered by 38 people. All it is are stories and guidlines of events of to live. We already really (Well most of us ) know how to live. It is natural.

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    Sedric Dawynposted 13 years ago

    i would have to agree with you on that yes. I love no one any less at all but it is their actions I do not like. As far as how you view how life is on that part, I understand. I really do. We all have our own way of "seeing" things.

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    Sedric Dawynposted 13 years ago

    Indeed being open minded and having an open heart does not mean we have to allow anyone to hurt us or anyone we love in any way and just let it be. That is also why people fight, get upset, because they do care, and they do love. And if no one cared, no one would get upset, pissed off et cetera, correct? hehe Its just amazing how things are you know?

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    Crazdwriterposted 13 years ago

    definitely intersting on how life goes and how anyone could even hurt others the way they do. very sad when a so called friend back stabs another or says that she is your friend but uses you...has happened to me numerous times as a child and in my teens...and I just recently told a girl who I had given several chances to that I will no longer be her friend because all she ever did was use me

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    Sedric Dawynposted 13 years ago

    yes and things like that are very hard. I am sure you still love her but that doesn't mean you have to accept her anymore into your life the way you did before. It is standing firm and refusing to be hurt anymore and hurting one last really big time in order to avoid it continuously in the future. I do wish things will light up more your way

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    Crazdwriterposted 13 years ago

    thanks I think they will...had a woman do a tarot car reading for me recently at a party and when she did my numerology she said that I am in hard year, my 8th year...and that next year will be the 9th year and it won't be as hellish as this year...oooo I can't wait for mmy 9th year. She also told me that I am already starting my journey on knowing who to push away from me and who to keep close and that next year I will be really doing all of this and that it's good that I have already started.

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       tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Don't push me away !!

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          Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Don't worry Tantrum...I have a good feeling about you. I am good...well somewhat good at judging ppl

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    underhiswingsposted 13 years ago

    Your behavior and your words determine you to be wise or a fool.
    
    What you are in your heart will manifest in the open for all to see.

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       Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Hey underhiswings,
       
       I've noticed you haven't written any hubs? I'm just curious, what is your purpose at Hubpages?
       
       Besides, coming to the forum and spreading the 'message' of your 'god'.
       
       Seriously, I just want to know. If you're willing to tell me.
       
       One would think that if you've been 'touched' by 'god' that you would be writing up a storm.
       
       But, you've not written a word, either of a creative form or even a religious form.
       
       So, it makes one curious what your purpose really is and curious minds want to know.
       
       In my case, I want to understand, because I find knowledge a powerful source for understanding.

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    Denno66posted 13 years ago

    Yikes! Religion and Politics; so much fun. Makes you wonder if these two subjects weren't created to amuse some observing alien race. Seriously, whether you believe something to be true or, non-specificic locale forbid, KNOW it to be true,bottom line, makes it true for you and certainly no more or less valid than someone else's truth. Great arguments on both sides. I'll go and report these posts to my leader now.  ;p

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       Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Welcome Denno66,
       
       Glad to see you among us humans. I'm glad you stopped by. Next time, I hope you can spend more time and we can get to know one another better.
       
       I'd love to meet your leaders. When we know more about each other, maybe you'll take me to them.
       
              

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    Denno66posted 13 years ago

    Um, I'll get back to you on that one, but, hey, in the meantime let me just give you one of my cards.   ;p

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       Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Cute.

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    Denno66posted 13 years ago

    Thank you. Thank you. (Bows) Hey, I just noticed that I wrote the specificic, I'll have to consult the Oxford guys to see if I can get that word to fly.  :-()

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    underhiswingsposted 13 years ago

    Cagsil:
    
    I write many things in many places for many reasons.
    Sometimes I just post.

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    Denno66posted 13 years ago

    UHW, I don't see why anyone has to explain their actions here. I didn't see any activity that injured anyone. No hubs? So? That's your choice. I choose to write strictly for entertainment's sake. Will that also be held up to a bright light? Hmmm.

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       Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I was only asking a question. I was curious.

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    underhiswingsposted 13 years ago

    Well, I hear ya, they asked and I gave an answer so as not to be rude.

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    viryaboposted 13 years ago

    Now, what the H..l am i doing here? Seems i missed my way and strayed in.
    Out again i go.
    BYE

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    Cagsilposted 13 years ago

    A person cannot gain knowledge if they never ask questions.

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       Denno66posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Sure, that is, indeed, true. The intent and the means; are what I believe I was addressing.

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    Pr0metheusposted 13 years ago

    So if we believe in a god, we're stupid.  If we don't believe in god, we're also stupid.  Seems like a pretty hopeless situation, then.
    
    GOD IS A SINE WAVE!

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       Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       

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    aka-djposted 13 years ago

    PS I am not arguing per/se. Just pointing stuff out. No ill-will in my comments.

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    Sedric Dawynposted 13 years ago

    aka-dj wrote:
    Why? Because humans are (hell) bent on division. There is no consensus on a single major issue in the world. There isn't even a priority list of ABSOLUTELY MUST DO, (or else we perish). We have multiplicity of politics, cultures, religions, resources, etc. We are headed for (a  certain) doomsday, and we cannot change it. There is NO WILL strong enough to do it. SORRY.
    
    See the thing is, we manifest our own limitations. We are each individuals. So all it takes is for each of us as an individual ro give up or believe in such non-sense as that. If we all know we can change and help things then there will be results, but we all must work together, none of that crap above. We set our own limitations.

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       Stevennix2001posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       i couldn't have said it better myself.

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    Cagsilposted 13 years ago

    Hey, I am really sorry about this and I know this is not going to go over well with a lot of you and you know I don't care.
    
    I've been understanding about a lot of people have thrown my way and the problem many of you are not looking at is this---
    
    (1) The bible, as all religious scripture, had it's place and it had it's usefulness.
    
    (2) The BIGGER picture is what many people are NOT paying attention to...the survival of mankind.
    
    Now, I can understand each one of you have your belief and I want to let you in on ONE of my beliefs.
    
    MY BELIEF- is that every single person on this planet is going to DIE if something isn't done to repair society. If society isn't healed, then society will destroy itself.
    
    That was not the intention of the human race nor is it suppose to.
    
    What you people seem to be missing is YES there is an opportunity to make peace with yourself and those around you. But, the agrument about religion has to DIE for that to happen.
    
    The TRUTH about religion if not exposed for what it is isn't revealed, then the human race will no doubt be extinguished in one way or another.
    
    You should be after the TRUTH of life? You should WANT that truth?
    
    Yet, you people bicker and banter, annoy and pester, one another. It pathetic.
    
    DON'T any of you get it.
    
    What you seek is immortality? Ever-lasting LIFE.
    
    You cannot imagine having ever-lasting life on Earth, which by the way, was the correct interpretation of Jesus' work- Immortal Being on Earth. You can have ever-lasting life- if you do not worship or pray to a false god or idol.
    
    I find the belief in the words that most people have is ludicris and irrational, and extremely detrimental to life.
    
    Literally, right now...the U.S. has plenty of military fighting a war, dying because of this pathetic reason of something that is 100% made up in your head.
    
    What's more appalling is that you've based your belief on a book that is absent of any real facts, except for some of the people in it. That would make it a history and mythology book.
    
    History means in the past- LEAVE IT THERE!
    
    Mythology as we have learned through science and philosophy, are nothing more than that - a myth.
    
    Now- if you want to talk about whether or not the book you read is real and event happened? Sure, there is alot of information in the book. But do realize- there is also ALOT of mis-information in the book.
    
    I do understand your belief and I'm not doubting what you believe, but I will tell you this- ALL religions must die for mankind to live ever-lasting life.
    
    Why? Because that is how Jesus Christ intended for you to live your life. He wanted YOU to be a GOD in this Universe.
    
    I'm not saying that you would be all powerful, because you wouldn't- you would be equal with all the rest of us.
    
    Jesus Christ consider the Human Race GODS and that simple truth has been uniquely shaded in religion. So, you can be controlled by the very thing that Jesus Christ told you not to do.
    
    The simple fact- The HUMAN race is the ONLY known race in the Universe. We are ALL conscious ALIVE beings.
    
    What else in the whole Universe can say that?
    
    Yeah, you're right- NOTHING else can.
    
    Do you really understand your religion? Or are you just believing out of fear?

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       Stevennix2001posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         actually, over the years, the catholic church and the pope have come to acknowledge the possibility of life beyond our own in the universe.  however, I don't think religion itself is evil to be honest with you.
       
       its the people that use religion as an excuse to gain leverage over everyone else is evil.  like the pilgrims used the excuse of purifying souls of indians by killing them, when they refused to convert to christianity.  Or George W. Bush when he said that he felt he was doing gods work by taking us to war into iraq.  the reality is that religion is idealistically supposed to be a foundation that brings humanity together peacefully.  Not to give people an excuse to do horrible and horrendous things, like Bin Laden using his religion as an excuse to justify orchestrating the biggest mass murder in world history.

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          Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Actually, of course the pope is going to tell you that he thinks that aliens exist, because he needs you to believe in 'god', which religion preaches. The likelihood aliens have visited Earth or ever did, is a myth. Like religion.
          
          Religion is control. It has you doing the one thing Jesus Christ told you not to do.
          
          When Jesus Christ was teaching his disciples- he specific told them not to prayer or worship any false god or idol.
          
          Jesus Christ was a human male. A prophet- NO! He was a teacher.
          
          He woke up the consciousness in people, so they could tell that they were alive and living beings. This hoax about an external authority has been controlling billions of people for centuries.
          
          Jesus Christ told his disciples- that each one of them was a GOD-MAN and because of the time in which he lived- Roman rulership executed him to hide the truth.
          
          When Jesus Christ was alive, the supposed 'god-kings', 'oracles' and 'mystics', those who were supposedly connected to 'god'(a external higher power), which went by many different names, had enslaved unconscious humans.
          
          Jesus Christ saw what was happening and understood that humans were not to be enslaved or controlled, either by 'gods' or 'government'. When he was alive- the religious/spiritual leaders WERE the rulers.
          
          That was the main reason for Jesus Christ's execution. He refuse to teach their religion and continued to teach consciousness, to people who didn't have a clue.
          
          And, YES these people did NOT know they were alive. They had no clue. This is in the earliest stages where mankind was evolving.
          
          Jesus Christ HELPED people break away from Nature's grip of guidance and into consciousness, so they could think for themselves and make conscious thoughts. These people couldn't talk- he had to teach them the primitive language, which began around his time.
          
          That's WHY he spoke so strangely and baffled many religious leaders then and that is why his scriptures are written as they are.
          
          Humankind was meant to be GODS themselves, but mankind was seen as evil, to perpetuate religious leaders control. This was reinforced by PLATO, the philosopher. Later dismissed by Aristotle.
          
          Mankind is GOOD to begin with and should rule Earth, which we do. But, we are killing ourselves with everything else. The MYTH of a higher power has to come to an end, in order for the human race to take it's rightful place- ever lasting life.

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             Stevennix2001posted 13 years agoin reply to this

             i understand what your saying completely, and get where your coming from with this.  however, you can't just look at what a bunch of other religious nuts do and assume that everyone that believe in god are like that.  not everyone uses god as an excuse to do horrible things.  its all up to the individual.  its like tommy lee jones said, in "Men In Black", "A person is smart.  PEOPLE are dumb panicky and you know it."

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                wyanjenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                One of my favorite quotes from one of my favorite movies

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    Cagsilposted 13 years ago

    So, I guess that makes you dumb and panicky.
    
    How ever, I consider myself quite the opposite. I am an intelligent, self-confident adult human male, who can tell the difference between consciously living my life, through honesty and love, as per "Jesus Christ's words", not god.
    
    There is no god. Jesus Christ's words are all that there is. You don't need to see past an facade or fasod. His words tell you what not to do. He specifically states it. He specifically states that if you come in from the darkness, he will show you the light.
    
    The correct interpretation of this text has been hidden from people. It lets the mind wonder and believe in a mystical entity, which has no basis. The religious leaders of all faith know this is the case. It is the most corrupt organization on the planet, perpetuating the largest hoax - humankind has ever seen.
    
    If you put into context what Jesus Christ said AND the time in which he LIVED....the comprehension for that statement becomes VERY VERY CLEAR!
    
    Jesus Christ said- I want to take you out of darkness and bring you in to the light of heaven.
    
    The 'darkness' is talking to the person who has NOT reached consciousness. Means, they were not AWARE that they were alive.
    
    The 'to the light of heaven' is talking about being a conscious living being and living on Earth. And, if you do that- You will have ever-lasting life.
    
    Yes, you are conscious and you are human. You are aware of your own life. That's what it means to be human. You can think for yourself and make rational choices, and even form plan for action, and still be able to carry out those plans.
    
    YOU are the only thing on this planet that can do that. Everything else is guided by Nature and the Moon.
    
    Our existence as a race came to be because of our moon. Life on Earth wouldn't have ever happened otherwise. Science has proven that. The only thing science has proven is 'HOW' or what did we evolve from. The question itself is moot. Who cares!
    
    We exist. We are the only ones in the Universe that is conscious.
    
    Am I missing something? Since everything on Earth is guided by Nature, except for humans. Cats, dogs, cattle, sheep, fish are all guided by nature.
    
    The human race PASSED Nature when our minds evolved to consciousness. Because we are able to CONTROL OUR EXISTENCE.
    
    Isn't that being a GOD?

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       Stevennix2001posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         ummmm...first of all, i never said i was dumb and panicky.  secondly, the term, "a person is smart.  people are dumb and panicky and you know it."  a person is singular, so that would imply only one person/individual.  people is plural, thus meaning a group of people and not one person.  do i look like a group of people? 
       
       anyway, what i meant by that quote is simply this.  anyone can be rational when faced with having to deal with difficult decisions on a daily basis.  it is only when they are put in groups of people that their decisions become compromised as they factor in other people's unnecessary opinions.  thus, creating a panicky situation. 
       
       thirdly, i understand and respect your opinion if you choose to be an atheist.  I could care less.  my motto is that as long as you respect my opinions, i'll respect yours.  i don't see how that comes off as dumb and panicky to someone like you?
       
       finally,  why are you saying aliens don't exist? the universe is huge, and nasa is discovering several planets, even within our own solar system, that could hold life because they have water.  and water is the essence of life.  plus, think about it.  on earth we kill each other on a constant basis over different skin color, green pieces of paper, and religion, would you want to make contact with us if you came from a highly evolved alien race?  i know i wouldn't.

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    Denno66posted 13 years ago

    Yikes!

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    starme77posted 13 years ago

    welp , gues that conversations over yey

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