Why does religion cause such anger and hostility.

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Bibowenposted 15 years ago
In religion, people think they are right, but people think they are right without religion. People kill each other for a lot less, and it's a myth that religion has some exclusive claim on war. Consider the millions that died in the 20th century under regimes that were atheistic.

It's also a myth that the more religious you are, the more warlike and hateful you are. If that myth were true you would have, more often than not, headlines that read "Mother-Teresa teams up with the Quakers to kill radical Mennonites."

People are hostile without religion; in some cases, they are less hostile with it.
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I almost missed this post.
  maybe I'm not the only one
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  Bibowenposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps you were not expecting someone to challenge the premise. The question sounds like the classic "Have you stopped beating your wife yet" question.
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Rayalternatelyposted 15 years ago
I wouldn't bother with rationality. The trolls can't use it and their targets don't understand it.
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  Lloyd Christmasposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So am i a Troll, if so what does it mean exactly? I am genuinely curious.
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Jeramiposted 15 years ago
That would be a good thang. but I doubt it.
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Jeramiposted 15 years ago
I can understand how easy it must have been to get Eve convinced to eat a little ol apple. What would it hurt. Come on see how silly you are? Good girl
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
You have seen the facts, ad nauseum! You just don't want to know!
Mark Knowles and a dozen others have given details, sources, proof and you know it. You just don't have the vision to see outside your inane bible babble.
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  spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  WHERE?
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  None so blind....
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  Bibowenposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's right...where? All I ever see here is fine rhetoric when it comes to evolution and the gent who told her that her questions didn't need to be answered because "evolution is a fact." Marx made it far on this approach: heavy on polemics; empty on the apologetic. Why defend your own position when you can call the other person a "moron"!?
  
  "Inane bible babble"...more clever rhetoric posturing as intelligence without evidence...
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOLOLOL
  
  So - I guess you people really are not interested in stopping the anger and hostility?
  
  As long as you shout your ridiculous beliefs - that is what is important?
  
  And so it continues. The Word is more important than anything no matter how much hatred anger and hostility is caused. Too bad.
  
  Thank you for reminding me why I despise your religion.
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  Bibowenposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Who's shouting, EG? You're the self-vaunted apologist for evolution. You're "Evolution Guy" aren't you? Answer the lady's questions. With all that scorn for Christianity, you should be loaded with answers. We know that you can dither and prattle on about the superiority of your position and scorn those that disagree with you. But what we'd like to see from you is a real rebuttal.
  
  I think you have the wrong image in the window: it's not Darwin that's your heir; it's Karl Marx. Marx had the same approach: "if you attack your opponent's position, you never have to defend your own." Marxists get a lot of mileage out of that one.
  
  Look, you've written 370+ responses and you've been here 5 weeks...somebody needs to say it: go shave the beard, write a hub, and......smile. And, don't stomp on the lady anymore, tough guy. Just answer her questions.
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Stomp on the lady?
  
  LOL
  
  Please do not be so obtuse. The question is "why does religion cause such anger and hostility?"
  
  I have answered that question - yet oddly you prefer to attack me based on my apparent "unwillingness" to answer the "lady's" ridiculous questions. You and I both know no answer I can give the "lady" will be acceptable.
  
  Are you interested in knowing why your belief system creates such anger and hostility or not?
  
  I am impressed that you think attacking evolution some how validates your ridiculous beliefs though. Irony anyone?
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  Bibowenposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry. That was the wrong answer.
  
  Since when were you preoccupied with giving an "acceptable" answer? Attacking Christianity is not a substitute for a defense of darwinism. Darwinism has to stand on its own. You can't use Christian-bashing as a crutch. Kick away the crutch. All the LOLOL's and emoticons that you can muster won't save you. Try something novel. Answer the questions.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I honestly don't see a problem with continuing belief in the face of "overwhelming evidence" to the contrary.
  
  That's why it's called faith after all.
  
  What I do have a problem with is someone "damning me to hell" after I've told the to cease and desist.
  
  I have as much right to my beliefs (or in their eyes lack of belief) as they do the right to believe.
  
  This is where the respect breaks down. Way too many holy-rollers can't take no for an answer.
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Jeramiposted 15 years ago
@ Rick I remember that also.
Any healthy brain is going to have thought.
But can we take a picture of it?
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Jeramiposted 15 years ago
wouldn't conscience's have to have free will before it is free to producing awareness? So you see awareness could not have created free will.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your consciousness allows you to realize you have a conscience.
  
  I thought you knew that. Sorry for my assumption for what you know. My mistake. I'll try not to do that again.
  
  Your consciousness is your awareness of being alive. This opens up free will of the mind to think.
  
  Your conscience becomes in existence when you can tell if your thought or actions are moral or immoral.
  
  Consciousness is FIRST in Life. It's what tells you that you are alive.
  
  If you do not have consciousness, you would never be aware of the fact that you have a conscience, because you wouldn't be aware of anything at all.
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  You sir are attempting to use basic brainwashing techniques that you are accusing religion of doing.
  If a person wants everyone to believe that they know best; all that they have to do is to tell as many people as will hear him that this is so. He will express "his" truth repeditedly as often and as loudley as he can. He will eventually gather a following thus convincing "him self" that "HIS" truth is in fact reality.
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lrohnerposted 15 years ago
Religion doesn't cause angst or hostility. Religionists do.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Religion = Separatism
  
  There is no arguement to this. This statement is logically flawless.
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Evolution Guyposted 15 years ago
I have a question for you religionists. Seeing as you seem to think your arguments against evolution somehow validate your belief system (not sure why) .

If I can show you proof that evolution happens - will you drop your belief system?
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  Bibowenposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why should anyone give up their belief system to hear you state the obvious? Answer the questions. It's a simple request. We're all waiting to hear the sage from Shrewsbury just address the Lady's claims against darwinism and answer her rebuttals against it.
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOLO.
  
  Claims? LOLOLO
  
  Rebuttals? LOLOLOL
  
  Really - buy yourself a dictionary so we are speaking the same language.
  
  So - I have just offered proof and you said. "No thanks"
  
  And you wonder why your ridiculous beliefs cause so much anger... Oh that is right - you do not want to know that either.
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  Bibowenposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  None of the above prattle answers those questions that have been put to the darwinists. The questions. Focus.
  
  Imagine my shock! Yea, my start
  at the reign of the emoticon art
  With words they can’t say
  so with pictures they play
  those smilies that reign at Walmart.
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I asked a fair question - If I can show you proof that evolution happens - will you discard your belief system?
  
  You answered a resounding "NO."
  
  So - what would be the point of me answering the questions?
  
  You have already stated that it will not change your mind.
  
  Which begs the question - what are you even asking these questions for if an answer will not open your mind to another way of looking at things?
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  Bibowenposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We've already seen you state the obvious as evidence for evolution. You've already done that trick. It's going to be even more disappointing than it was then if you do it again. But if you really want to do it again, knock yourself out.
  
  EG, answer the questions. For an expert like you, it should not be too difficult. You're "EVOLUTION GUY"! So, take a deep breath. Get a grip. Answer the questions...Your # of posts are increasing, but your credibility is decreasing.
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Seriously dude. What is your problem? What is the point of me answering the questions when you have already told me the answers will not make you change your mind?
  
  And why are you even asking them if that is the case?
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  Bibowenposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's not an answer. It's time to ante up. Put that biology training to good use. As far as I am concerned, this is your last chance.
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Last chance?
  
  LOLOL
  
  Please tell me what would be the point as you have already stated that you will not change your mind if I answer the questions.
  
  So - why even ask them?
  
  And you still do not understand why your religion causes so much anger and hatred? What a shame, for you.
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  Bibowenposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry. That's the wrong answer. You apparently are incapable of providing even a rudimentary response to the challenges to your beliefs.
  
  To answer one of your questions, the reason to ask the questions is to expose the shell game. I think I've done that. Until you can do better than this, I think your credibility is shot.
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But what you think is not really of any value is it?
  
  Seriously - I think I have asked both you and spiderpam a reasonable question.
  
  If I can show you that evolution happens - are you prepared to discard your current belief system?
  
  And if not - what is the point of answering your questions?
  
  It i s not like I can use the sort of answers you do when asked a tricky question about dinosaur on the ark.
  
  "Magic"
  
  "Noah was actually 800 years old"
  
  "Two dog-like animals only " - The rest "adapted" but not "evolved"
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  Bibowenposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good try. This routine fools no one, at least not any more. Attacking a 4000 year old dead guy in a land barge is not the same as addressing the questions put to you which you refuse to address. The evidence on this thread suggests that you are incapable of addressing the rudiment claims against your beliefs. C'mon Evolution Man, you talk like you know something about evolution. It's time to ante up.
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  chambersgirl21posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why don't you write some hubs ?
  Maybe that way we can find out what sort of hubber you are.
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  spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Mark, I could relist the questions if you'd like.
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If I can prove to you that evolution happens - will you drop your belief system?
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  spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The only thing you can prove is variation in a kind. Fossils don't talk drawing are not evidence and your interpretation is not fact.
  
  Scientist agree with law of Cause and Effect(fact), and they concur in the fact the we wouldn’t be here if there was an infinite regression of causes(fact) concluding there must be 1 uncaused cause(fact). That's God(my conclusion based on the facts)
  
  Before define evolution with a broad brush “Change over time” You must first define the first five types of evolution; Cosmic, Organic, Stellar and Planetary, Chemical, Macro. Don’t show me proof of variations and credited some time god. Prove the first 5 alone.
  Ridicule is not a fact it just shows you lack!
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Please answer the question. I think this is a reasonable question before proceeding.
  
  If I can prove that evolution happens - will you drop your belief system?
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  spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why don't try to prove it happens, first.
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Please answer the question.
  
  If I can prove to you that evolution happens - will you drop your belief system?
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  spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Come on Mark, Are you afaid to defend your faith? Everytime I asked you questions you flee so let me ask them again.
  
  When, where, why, and how did
  
  a. Single-celled plants become multi-celled? (Where are the two and three-celled intermediates?)
  b. Single-celled animals evolve?
  c. Fish change to amphibians?
  d. Amphibians change to reptiles?
  e. Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes, reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc., are all very different!)
  How did the intermediate forms live?
  
  How did photosynthesis evolve?
  
  Is there one clear prediction of macroevolution that has proved true?
  
  Come on "scientist" this should be easy for you.
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Please answer the question.
  
  If I can prove to you that evolution happens - will you drop your belief system?
  
  It is a really simple question.
  
  It requires a "yes" or "no" answer.
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  spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  last chance mark. Answer my questions, prove wrong or flee again.
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Please refer to me by my chosen name - I really was getting much too much personal hate mail.
  
  Now - Please answer my perfectly reasonable question.
  
  If I can prove to you that evolution happens - will you drop your current belief system?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you already knew the answer to that question. The spiderpig is content with rolling around in her faith of dirt. She is content with her absolute contradictory ignorant belief. Absolute is content, I think.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You want to be progressive and the believers to accept your positions as right, then you insult the religious(spiderpig? how old are you?) and don't understand why they write you off as disturbed?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't respect anyone that is content with ignorance and writes lies and assumptions of others in attempts to discredit them to protect ignorant faith.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't discredit you to protect my faith, I know exactly who and what you are.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Let me guess? The Devil!
  
  Predictable sheep mind.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That wasn't what I was going to say but, ok.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, I'm interested, what and who do you think I am?
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Elena Erykahposted 15 years ago
Hey,

I belive that every man is a different religion. When you find truely and sencirely God in your heart, you will know that dogmas are many and God is only one:)) When you will give love and faith to God and those around you, you will see clearly that those who attack religions and spiritualist haven't known the realigion of their own heart!

Materialists attack spiritualist openly for their poisoned mind, but why there isn't a single spirtualist attacking materialists?

EE
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lolol
  
  Are you blind?
  
  What do you think all these religionists are doing?
  
  Materialist?
  
  Sheesh.
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  Elena Erykahposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes... I'm sorry, materialist was a bad word, atteist would be better!!!
  
  Concerning your other cuestion, as I said religions are many, and God is only one! Choosing to follow a particular church is a CHOICE and not a brain wash! No one can't make you belive in things you don' believe... as I belive is the case with you and me! If here on the hub relifionists and ateists attack each other is because they defend! U don't prove religion and faith through fights:))
  
  In what do you believe???
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Me.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  They are not ?
  Do you know how to read ??
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  Elena Erykahposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Dear,
  Have you seen for example Dalai Lama offending and discriminating?? If you're speaking about these people here on the Hub... dear, they r defenfing themselfs, as you do now!!! It'a normal reaction:)))
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's questionable who is really the materialist. Often it is the non-religious who are more spiritual. Reading a book and believing the contents does not make one spiritual.
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
Is this the never ending story ?!! Sheeezzzz !
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good mornin
  This thread began as..
  Why does Religion cause anger and ....?
  has evolved into...
  How to create anger and...
  I see it evolving into
  How to recognize anger and.....
  I wish it would evolve into
  How to stop causing anger and...
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Odd that the genuine answer I gave to this question was not addressed in any way shape or form.
  
  If you read that - then you will see how to stop the anger and hostility.
  
  Or do you not really want to know either?
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  spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I've already proven evolution as you would think is a lie so has many other creationists, yet YOU still believe. Even after Ida, T Rex blood found, lucy, ardi, Piltdown man, faked ape-man drawings, appendix not being vestigial, proof of global flood etc.
  
  So you're faith has failed the science test and YOU still believe. I have to give you props. If you had proof evolution that was true you would have proven it by now, but you don’t that why you avoid answering my questions by asking a question. It's childish, but not surprising. bye mark
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi jerami ! Happy Sunday !
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks and a Happy Sunday to you too.
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Illuvatar11posted 15 years ago
The Dark Forces seem to have to many of us trapped in a rat's maze of fighting eachother.

Perhaps the only way out is kindness, methinks.

Whatsoever you have done to the least of these My brethren, you have done to the Light in all...
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Really ?!
  I think your 'violet 'flame is disturbing you !
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Jeramiposted 15 years ago
I know how to stop the anger and hostility.
I also know how to stop getting snake bit.
I don't go walking in the woods looking for snakes.
We can do the same thing with squirrels, momma cats and bears.

I used to go to bike rallies and try to convince them that they should drive cars and pick up trucks but found that to be counter productive.
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So - what you are saying is there will be no more knocks at my door?
  No more advertisements all over the internet?
  No more flyers under my windscreen wipers?
  No more ringing of the church bells?
  No more starting forum threads asking why atheists are so foolish?
  No more people stopping my to leave comments on people's hubs attacking what they said ?
  No more TV evangelists?
  No more will there be attempts to have the laws changed to suit religious beliefs?
  
  See- What you do not seem to understand is - I would not have to say "I am an atheist" if some one did not first say. "There is a god."
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I will tell ya what I would in your situation.
  1 a sign of anything you want to say on your door
  2 petition to stop any and all advertisement that might offend any and all people
  3 consider the flyer's to be = to falling leaves or bird poop. Stuff finds it's way to my windshield too.
  4 Church bells and loud obnoxious songbirds can be annoying when I'm trying to sleep. than has no easy answer.
  5 & 6 Don't have to answer every challenge. kinda like dog poop in the neighbors yard; the more ya kick it around tha more it stinks
  7 Evangelist, Golf games. Gilligan's Island etc. Don't watch um if ya don't want to.
  8 You and me are goina have to write a law making it illegal to pass laws.
  To sum it up
  We have two choices.
  If we want to be angry we can focus on those things that that will "GET ER DUN" OR If we want to be happy think happy thoughts EVERY CHANCE WE GET
  Don't let the things that we hate have that kind of control over our lives by being obsessed about them.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Who shouldn't be obsessed about unity rather than separatism. You are favored for your belief, remember? Non believers don't believe they are favored by a divine being for what they do or do not believe. Is this a foreign language?
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOLOLOL
  
  So - what you are saying is - even though I think religion is the bane of our existence and evil and that being told that I am a worthless sinner and a fool because I do not believe angers me and causes me to feel hostility.
  
  Even though being told by some one who tells me they have a rule I should follow because their god said so angers me and causes me to be hostile towards this person.
  
  I should shut up and let the religionists have their say.
  I should not try and stop them from converting my children.
  I should not argue with them and attempt to reason with them.
  
  I am the one who should stop and let them abuse my children by sticking their irrational beliefs in their heads?
  It is all my fault for feeling anger and hostility every time I am told I am a fool.
  It is all my fault for not wanting my children indoctrinated into these cults of non thinking?
  Let the religionists do what they will.
  
  Interesting.
  
  You wouldn't happen to be a christian would you?
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marinealways24posted 15 years ago
Happy Sabbath to all of the holy sheep. You shouldn't be in the forums today. You aren't supposed to work or think today. Oh yeah, faith doesn't require thought! God will not be mad at you today! He is only mad when you think!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well the lack of thinking qualifies you as a Christian you'd make a good one.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Would you like to explain?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Read your own posts.
  Sighed a Sheep.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nice explanation. Well thought out, or not. lol
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
You finally got it Evolution Guy. They don't want discussion, they want to say they are all victims of persecution. Best to leave them be...

Yoshi answered all of her questions with lots of research but she refused to accept it or even listen to him and keeps beating that same dead horse. Best to ignore... I know I will be from now on.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think ignoring them would be content with the ignorant separatism their ignorant faith driven government belief causes. There is no unity when people believe they are favored over others.
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think that everyone are separatists to some extent.
  Yes, God is also.
  I try to and I believe that you do also, separate ourselfs from those that pee in out cornflakes or eat all our fish bait or pour water on our campfire etc.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We all live here together. You think the goal should be separatism or unity? Are you trying to justify being a separatist because thats what the bible teaches you? Does the bible help you justify your separatist belief as if it's alright?
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If you pee in my cornflakes that is all of the reason I need to separate myself from you.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, don't correct anyone, just write them off as the peeing devil and separate from them. Silly analogies.
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are putting a lot of stuff into what I actually said.
  If you want me to act like a separatist all ya gotta do is pee in my corn flakes like a peeing devil,or by putting broken glass in my sleeping bags also works. Do these things if ya want to but dont try ta give me a guilt trip if I don't like spending time with ya, You will have decided to be separated when you choose to have an individualistic mentality.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Individual ideas can find agreements if the goal is equality. Separatism in belief can't when the goal is separation. Is this foreign language to you as well?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good! You finally figured out your belief system.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are wrong. My belief is continually evolving as a learning mind should. My belief isn't content with faith of absolutes as yours is from your content belief dependent mind.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do you have anything better to do? Why don't you go out and help some people in crisis to prove that an atheist has some substance behind all their talk. What'cha say big Boy?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You ask if I have anything better to do and you continually respond. Hypocritical?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not really, I was wondering if you had a life or is putting down Christians all you got?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just trying to make you think. What you were born to do before you became a belief dependent sheep. I believe I am making progress, afterall, you are thinking of questions to pose. The question is, are you posing them to think or to run protective circles around your faith?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We both had our faith before we were born and we both accepted the Lords plan or we wouldn't be here. Some where you got distracted or decieved, it's ok because I know you are loved and in time you'll come back. I gots to go to church now and I will pray for you and all the liberals and atheists. God Bless.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You saying the "lords plan" is a contradiction to what the bible teaches. A plan goes against free will. One of your many bible contradictions along with the separatism it teaches. Did your lord born you individual or sheep? I was born individual. Sorry that I do not contradict having an individual mind as you choose to do by accepting sheephood. Tip the preacher well. Have a good day.
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  chambersgirl21posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So Your saying that you dont have a plan for your children? I doubt that? Are you saying your kids are not going to have a choice in their life? Isn't that where the individual mind comes in? Whether or not your kids want to live the lives you have planned for them is there choice, doesnt mean you cant still have that plan their to guide them.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do you think good goals and morals requires a book of belief? You book doesn't only teach morals, it teaches hate and separatism.
  
  A choice is not teaching my child fear of going to hell for having an individual belief. Your god book is not free choice. It is a threat of hell and a reward of heaven. Both built by faith.
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  chambersgirl21posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Awwwww.....do we all not have consequences for bad things we do? Do we all have the choice to choose between right and wrong? Personally I do not believe in an eternal hell so I do not fear an eternal hell, nor would I teach it to my children.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Excellent, now we are getting somewhere. Maybe you should choose your words more carefully.
  
  So you are a believer that picks and chooses what to believe. The bible teaches hell for not believing. You claim to believe the bible. The only way you could not believe in hell is if you pick and choose out of the bible what to believe. What would god say about that?
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  chambersgirl21posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think I chose my words very well. Would you like me to show you the scripture that talks about hell? You would probably just dismiss it as easily though because you do not believe in the Bible anyway. Its almost like your trying to quiz me? Thats okay though. I do very well with quiz's. As to that scripture....yes....no...what?
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Tell us de byble sez de erf be round agin. I lik that 1.
  
  Noty oblate spheroid. "round" same thing
  
  JEEBUS ROOLZ!!!!
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  chambersgirl21posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Isaiah 40:22
  It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah - Now it is a "circle" not "round" - neither of which are an oblate spheroid, which is the actual shape of the earth, And that a circle is a two dimensional shape - as is "round"
  
  Thank you for reminding us about the earth being "flat" and that the bible is garbage.
  
  Not to mention "wrong" Too bad - now you are exposed for what you really are. A sock puppet for one of the other religionists........
  
  Jeebus be dun prowd a ya.
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  chambersgirl21posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is a circle not round? hmmmmm....uh yes! And thank you for exposing yourself for what you truly are....another tool for the devil. Good luck with that brother!
  
  Anyways been fun, Gotta jet.
  
  God bless to all!
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOLOL
  
  Sure a circle is round. But the earth is not. The earth is an oblate spheroid. Thank you for reminding us why religion causes such anger and hostility.
  
  Up yours with a sharp stick too.
  
  Oh - I am sorry - I mean I hope you eventually get some education and learn not to be such a condescending scutter.
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Tool for the devil?
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think she did a fair job of answering the original question.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, I'm saying you've been decieved. You say free will we say free agency and that is exactly what God wants. Do some reasearch about the "The First Estate" and "The Second Estate". I don't like to preach because I'm not that bright and I wouldn't want to mislead you. We are the same and you're wanted back to where you belong as is all the searcher's truth. We don't have paid clergy so there is only members.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You do realize that there are many, many, many liberal Christians don't you? Liberal is a political leaning, not a religious belief. It's time you separated the two. I have always been taught that a Christian does not think they are superior to others...
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't believe I'm superior to any body, if you knew me better you would know that. I hate bullies and I don't like the barage of insults and accusations thrown at the religious from atheists and liberals. I'm not the kind of Christian who will put up with a bunch of nonsense from anyone, I never have and never will.
  
  On the other hand, if you can stop the attacks and discuss religion in a civil manner we all could have a civil discussion. Don't say you're innocent when you're making sheep jokes. There might be liberals that say their Christians but, a true Christian would never take the positions the liberals hold dear to their hearts and you know what those issues are.
  
  I feel the same about the islamics as well denounce the bad people in your midsts expose their vile attacks then come to me and tell me I'm mean spirited. Clean-up your own house first before you tell me mines dirty.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The sheep jokes were at Denno...not Christians. And I knew you would say liberals could not be true Christians...could have written that myself.
  
  So...it's okay for vile attacks by Christians on those who are not or who are of a different religion but it's means if they do the opposite or fight back?
  
  Scroll up for the cartoon I posted, it is very true.
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you. I understood. I honestly don't understand both far sides.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't either personally. The only place I have ever argued about religion is on this forum I'm not a rabid atheist, I just don't believe.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Obviously you can't see past your own prejudice to see: 1. The sheep comments are directed at Christians. 2. That as far as liberals go you hand out alot more insults than you get. 3. No true Christian would stand against the Lords teachings on abortion, marraige, coventing anothers property, adultery and bearing false witness. Open your eye's and see, read everything with a critical eye and don't let prejudice's blind you to the facts.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is rich coming from you.
  
  I do not consider all Christians to be sheep, we were teasing Denn because his avatar is sheep...
  
  I personally have nothing against Christians unless they attack me and act superior to me.
  
  I have read the Bible, I have read the book of Mormon, I have read other religious books, I am quite aware of the facts.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Go back and read again you missed it.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Don't start playing the Pam game...I will not play with you.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Start on page 13 and go forward the proof is as plain as the nose on your face. If the truth doesn't matter then stop crying foul.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  When did I cry foul?
  
  Any comments I made about Christians were not about all Christians, just the ones like Pam and you who attack others and keep having the same arguments over and over again and then complain about being bullied because others stood up to you.
  
  Anyway, I am out of the religion forum. I don't have time for arguments that go nowhere. Have fun.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You can bully me any time you want I don't want you bullying others. If you log on and you feel vengeful wait until I log-on and attack me leave the others alone.
  
  You cried foul when I adressed another Christian about the "idiot liberals."
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Let me repeat...I do not bully anyone...disagreeing or calling you out is not bullying...
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Jeramiposted 15 years ago
I think that you are focusing on the "Christians" way too much. If you are truly worried about your children your time and efforts would be better spent fighting Drug dealers, Pimps, and pedophiles, the ability for ten year Rambo's coming into our schools with shotguns and oozes!
I doubt you will answer on these Hub pages but ask your self. Why you really truthfully feel that Christianity is your biggest enemy.

To answer your question. Am I a Christian?
That depends upon which of the many definitions you are referring to.
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOLOLOL
  
  Semantics - Yup you are a Christian.
  
  And deliberately obtuse - oh yes- christian all right.
  
  See - I know how to keep the drug dealers and pedophiles away - with the full weight of the law behind me.
  
  But - nicely distracted away from the real issue - that child abuse and drug peddling is a natural side effect of religious indoctrination over the centuries.
  
  And nicely distracted away from answering what I said.
  
  Oh yes - a real christian - no question.
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have not been adressing Atheism with the same broad sweaping brush that you seem to be. It does seen to me that you are guilty of the exact same bigotry and self justification that you are accusing Christians of being.
  These BAD traits that you have painting ALL christians with are common faults that belong to all peoples, through all of the ages.
  WE must be very cautious as to the things that we hate and the way in wich we hate them, lest we become worse than the things we hate
  This last statement is true no matter what our faith is.
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh well, in that case - let me rephrase that.
  
  You personally used semantics.
  You personally avoided responding to my statements.
  You personally distracted away from what I said by suggesting I would better spend my time defending my children against other things
  You personally diverted attention away.
  
  Are you a real christian?
  
  I don't know - but that is what all the other christians do.
  
  Now answer what I said instead of dodging and weaving a defending your f******* ridiculous, offensive, hate and anger provoking beliefs..
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  As I said earlier; can you not see that YOU are also guilty of all of YOUR own accusations
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  As I said earlier; can you not see that YOU are also guilty of all of YOUR own accusations
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chambersgirl21posted 15 years ago
This is not my Sabbath so I think I will stick around for a while.
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
I'm getting kinda tired of having to use this picture...

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marinealways24posted 15 years ago
<snipped - no personal attacks in the Forums>
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Bail Up !posted 15 years ago
I don't think its religion itself that causes the anger and hostility. It arises from it being forced upon you. Groups or individuals constantly trying to introduce their own faith and seizing every opportunity to try and influence you about their belief system. I have my God and my faith and for one would appreciate being left alone by unwelcomed solicitors. That angers me.
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
I see I brought the soapbox to the wrong forum. I'll just take this back, thanks......
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
Sneako, why do you hate "liberals" so much and why do you blame the world's problems on them?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't hate liberals, I hate their beliefs. I don't feel comfortable quoting scripture but I believe we are in a critical point in the history of man. If you have a Bible, and you're so inclined, please read "The General Epistle of Jude", it's short but it speaks to my concerns and it warns of whats happening and how its the prelude of things to come.
  
  I want everyone to know I love them and I don't mean to be hard on you but what the Christians are saying is really coming and you must get your house in order. Do your homework and educate yourself to whats been written and give it serious thought. Then with an open mind read revelations it's been predicted and I believe it's very near.
  
  At least make sure you have what you'll need to survive any impending disasters. You should be prepared anyway for any natural disasters. You know you're my sons age and I would never wish you harm so prepare for, just in case.
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  Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah I know we're in the religion forum, but chilax. I have no intention of pulling out my bible and worrying about impending doom. I will live my amazing life and keep the pantry stocked for the hurricanes Florida receives. As far as answering my question, in my opinion the world would be a miserable place if it wasn't for the diversity of others, "liberal" or not. I understand you say you hate "their beliefs" but if I know that much of what you believe makes you who you are. So if someone were to say, "I don't hate Christians, I hate their beliefs"... you would take that personally, rightfully so.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You a smart young woman I know you'll do fine. Hows school going?
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  Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  School is going well, thank you. So are you keeping your response the same then?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well yes but, I agree with your premiss. I just can't get past things like abortion and the gay marraige although I have said many times I don't agree with the gay lifestyle but I could support a civil union. I'm just not a fan of socialism but I do believe government has a role to protect us from buisness cheats, I don't think they should own buisness.
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  Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Then why generalize and say that "liberals are idiots" or that you hate their beliefs. It isn't about getting past your own morals and values. It is about accepting that everyone is different and has different beliefs. And not everything bad in the world can be attributed to a certain group. Point being, lay off the liberals, I understand you have a conservative agenda, but you aren't getting anywhere with the hate.
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So you hate the fact that liberals are against slavery?
  
  You really are the first genuine christian on these forums. Well done.
  
  How do you propose we reinstate that particular family value? I know my family misses the good old days......
  
  Although I am with Colebabie.
  
  I don't hate christians - I hate their ridiculous, hypocritical, hate mongering beliefs.
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
The far right always does.
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
I respect the opinions of both sides and even Cagsil's logical theory of things(don't tell him I said that)I enjoy the sparring, but, what I can't reconcile is others not being that considerate.
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
'I think what Uninvited Writer is trying to say' is a very dangerous road down which one could travel. Don't assume or look into things that are not there. If it is an argument you crave go to a Liberal site but as you say, keep a critical eye on 'all' things. That means, be fair.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have. The proof is there for all to see. Start on page 13.
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
Goodnight...
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Goodnight UW
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know the truth can hurt but it can set you free also.
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Cagsilposted 15 years ago
I have an answer for only the questions of Life that need be answered.

If you want to deal with things that do not exist in reality, then I cannot assist.

So, now what?
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Reality is not rooted in Science.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Reality is defined by science and philosopy working together.
  
  Reality exists free of independent thought, desires, will, or wishes. Reality is all knowable. **Aristotle- science and philosopher **
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sneakorocksolidposted 15 years ago
Reality is and always has been relative.
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's what I'm saying, precisely.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I've noticed you're a voice of reason.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Look above and you'll see the real definition for reality.
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have to disagree. Reality is what you make it.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If you died - reality would still exist.
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, how does that conflict with my above statement?
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What you are missing is that reality exists, without what you think it is. It means, your thoughts do nothing to change reality.
  
  Reality simple exists. Free of independent thought, desires, will or wishes.
  
  Do you get it?
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No. But, you do. I believe otherwise.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, since you believe otherwise- come on- tell me?
  
  I'm interesting hearing what you got to say...let's see what you know about life?
  
  Come on....I await your response.
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oooh, that sounded kinda aggressive there, Spock
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Afraid of something? Hmm.....?
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  prettydarkhorseposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i thought you said I think therefore I am, just kidding, hi CAGSIL new avatar, love it
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I do think, therefore I am.
  
  Hi PDH,
  
  Nice to see you again. WyanJen posted in another forum and I tagged it.
  
  Someone called me the SATANIC Mr. Spock.
  
  Jen found the picture and I took it.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  oh love it though, it made me smile..
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  wyanjenposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  No dude, I made it. Would you like a copy of the original?
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No. It isn't necessary. I'm just going to leave it there for now.
  
  People can think whatever they want. I find it funny!
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, my world-view is not something a lot of people can understand, therefore, I just exist in quiet coexistence.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And, you know what- that is specifically ONE of our world problems- NOT ENOUGH people doing anything to make things right.
  
  Many are just like 'sheep', per se. It's disappointing and very sad.
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There are some who agree with you, don't be fooled.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know.
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Religion is necessary for alot of people, it is an anchor in their lives. It's not for me to say it's not rational, rather it is encouraging to see that a great many are good, decent people. That's enough for me.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But, they are not descent people if they are not willing to accept full responsibility for their own well being.
  
  Religion is a viral disease that works against the nature of life.
  
  LIFE dictates that you control your own thoughts and actions, and guide yourself through the use of your conscicence. Each person can determine right from wrong.
  
  Religion is twisting what life really means. That's is wrong and needs to be fixed/corrected.
  
  Even, if I impact one person, and that one person impacts one person, sooner or later- religion dies.
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hmm, take care with that one. Fixing is not your imperative to undertake, that comes from within.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Pointing out that many people have been lied to for centuries is not an imperative to undertake?
  
  What comes from with-in is being ignored? Religion sees to it.
  
  It is every person's moral imperative to know and understand the truth about life.
  
  Otherwise, what's the sense in living life?
  
  Everyone who believes in GOD should kill themselves and join him, and be done with life, if it is such a great place to be.
  
  It makes no sense to LIVE life!
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You generalize and underestimate people. That is only going to be to your detriment.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The only generalization I make is that we are ALL HUMAN BEINGS and live the same life.
  
  LIFE is an absolute! You exist and how you exist is completely up to YOU and not some 'GOD' that supposedly exists.
  
  It's not a detriment to understand life- it's a detriment to NOT understand life.
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You pose a logical argument. However, there are those who put God as the anchor in their lives.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know- but if you really want to think about it and the philosophy behind my thinking, then you would realize that I am right.
  
  Not to show anyone up or anything- but, truth be told- your conscience, your consciousness and your sub-conscious- cannot be fooled by the mind.
  
  Faith is a mind pattern. Therefore you can NEVER be 100% completely fooled by the NON-Presence of the 'god'. You will never accept 'god' completely exists.
  
  Your conscience cannot do it.
  
  Your consciousness tell you different every day you get up.
  
  Your subconscious continues to know 'god' isn't real and there is nothing anyone can do to make it 100%.
  
  GOD isn't of any form. He has no REAL voice. He has no REAL power.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is precisely the mind that DOES get fooled which is why it has to be stripped of the crud before seeing truth. Not that I want to show anyone up or anything!
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
I don't believe in religion myself, but there are a great number of people who do, and that works for me.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That works for me! I'm not a preacher, I'm a believer and I don't like bullies so I do fight back but your comments seem to be rational and well thought out. Thank you.
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey, no problem there. Besides, I take great joy in sparring with the likes of pure science theorists. When a gun is pointed at them, do they pray to Darwin?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If you have a gun I'll pray to whatever you say to pray to!
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Pray to Darwin?
  
  How foolish is that.
  
  If you want proof of evolution- look in the mirror.
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jaybojasposted 15 years ago
most people are just being judgmental and annoying. The mr. and mrs. knows it all but not. They are punch of wanna be's. If a something occur in religion, here comes the judgments and bla bla blas. Thats what i think.
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
Hey! That one fits you best!
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you kindly.
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Jeramiposted 15 years ago
Oh s--- I have lost my reality ! Has any one seen it??
It is about this big and this wide and has the cutest ears.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And you posted this why?
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Jeramiposted 15 years ago
Reality If you realy think about the "meaning" of REALITY, is it not just a bit dependant upon perseption.
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
It is a source of strength for many.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I can appreciate that, I really can.
  
  It's just when people try to force their beliefs on me that I get irritated. I know most Christians are not like that...but many of the most vocal ones in this forum seem to be.
  
  And yes, I know there are others who do the same in promoting their anti-religion beliefs.
  
  There have been as many threads attacking atheists as there have been attacking believers.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I respect what you say and how you feel.
  
  How ever, as for myself- I am ANTI-ALL-RELIGIONS - not some of them.
  
  Even atheists are ridiculous. If they don't believe in a 'god' or 'gods' or any higher power- then they are not a religious organization and should stop purporting religion all together.
  
  Whenever an atheist opens their mouth, they validate all christian beliefs, just because of their affiliation to religion. It's stupid and absurd.
  
  Religion must die, in order, for the human race can grow, like it should.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  An illusionary strength masked to be something other than what it is? Great thing for humanity! NOT!
  
  Strength comes with in and from nothing else. Human WILL is unstoppable. The Human Mind has unlimited potential.
  
  The reasoning behind their strength is because they themselves put the effort forward and for no other.
  
  The blindful following of a fictional being is absurd.
  
  Self-responsibility MUST come alive if Life is to be lived properly.
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drej2522posted 15 years ago
Colebabieeeeeeeeeeee!
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
Hi Dre!!!
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drej2522posted 15 years ago
how goes it?...are the stresses of school still rampant?
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  Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh yes. But school this week is much much better. Veterans day in the middle of the week will give me a much needed beach day. No exams this week, only lab reports. My finals are over on December 4th, then I'll have a month off before spring semester
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drej2522posted 15 years ago
wait...liberals are idiots?? damnit, I'm always on the wrong damn side!

Cole -Well that is good to hear. I hate stress, period.
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drej2522posted 15 years ago
I don't understand people's eagerness for the 'end of the world'. Wouldn't you want to live out the remainder of your life?
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
I don't know Dre. Apparently sneako thinks he knows something I don't. Regardless I'm going to live my life the same way... full of love
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drej2522posted 15 years ago
I just try to act like a kid! It's the secret to immortality!

Oh yeah, and love 'n' stuff is good too...
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
Always
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Cagsilposted 15 years ago
does anyone know how to close a topic?
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
No sorry, I don't. If its the thread you started, I'm deleting my comment now.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I deleted the open thread piece.
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drej2522posted 15 years ago
I wonder if you could just email admin...
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  Tried that didn't get a response.
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
Mr. Ed was real.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, Mr. Ed was a real character, but wasn't a real talking horse.
  
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Says you!
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And you think you funny?
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lyricsingrayposted 15 years ago
People get hostile because it keeps becoming topics of forums. Why does it have to be endlessly debated - I don't open a forum telling you I am a jew who is Buddhist believing in Christ and Ala. Nobody cares. It's personal.

Should we discuss our menstrual cycles or is it because that's not a belief. Maybe it is, maybe it's not real.

People, I'm begging you, rejoice in your belief, with the ones you love, not with Hubbers who you know will have people like me that get pissed off at seeing the thread topic, leave an angry comment and then get spanked for it, or am I allowed a belief - Oye!

I truthfully don't understand what you don't understand.

Have a great day.
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RKHenryposted 15 years ago
I believe a lot of it stems from not fully understanding other religions, or appreciating the fact that it takes all kinds to make the world go around.
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
Good point, but there are a few who take it upon themselves to 'set the world straight'.
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