Is Christ Jesus the saviour of all mankind, or just some?

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   SwordofManticorEposted 11 years ago

   Is Christ Jesus the saviour of all mankind, or just some?
   
   A savior is someone who has saved or will save, not someone who offers salvation.

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   JThomp42posted 11 years ago

   Yes, all of mankind if you accept him into your heart and confess with your mouth he is your saviour, and also strive everyday to do what is pleasing to him.

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      SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      So will all mankind accept Him?

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      Disappearingheadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      All this striving everyday makes it sound like a salvation by works gospel. Not sure Christ would agree with you on that one.

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      JThomp42posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Striving to be a good person has nothing to do with works. As the Bible says "know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith

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      lone77starposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Well said, JT. But to address DH's point, salvation comes first, but those who follow the law of Love can't help but strive to help (works). Those who do not do works of love are not following Christ.

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      JThomp42posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I agree lone.

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      SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Of course you do, and this is why. If you combine a carnal view to scripture with fear, blind ego, self-righteous pride, a hidden desire for vengeance and spark the religious engine with a pharisitical spirit. You get a determined believer of hell.

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      JThomp42posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Sword.. You are speaking of a few amount of people that are called "hypocrites." No true Christian is to live that way. We do not love and serve God out of fear, it is out of love and appreciation for what he has done for all Mankind. Jesus Christ.

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      Disappearingheadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The truth is, the majority of people do not become Christians because they appreciate what Jesus has done. They become Christians out of fear that God will burn them in hell if they don't.

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      JThomp42posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      How can you prove this??

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       Disappearingheadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Anecdotally of course. Having spent 25 years in Churches of varying flavours, avoiding hell was the key theme of the 'gospel', which is no gospel at all. The gospel is that the Father will reconcile all mankind to himself.

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       SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       They should read 2 Cor 5 more often DH. This may free them from their fears of hell.

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   lone77starposted 11 years ago

   @SM, I disagree with your statement, "A savior is someone who has saved or will save, not someone who offers salvation."
   
   Christ Jesus is the savior of all humanity -- most assuredly.
   
   He is savior because he has given us the way to salvation.
   
   Now, in any rescue, the person being rescued does not have to decide to be rescued. That fact does not make the rescuer any less a rescuer.
   
   Many will refuse the rescue. Many will choose ego over spirit, lust over love, and greed over generosity.

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      SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      If someone is not aware he needs rescuing, salvation is usless. So here is how salvation from Christ works. I am walking through a forest when suddenly a bear charges me. I am dead for sure, but Christ shoots the bear saving me without my permission.

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   Marcus D Maysposted 11 years ago

   Christ came to save some not all, because in John chapter 17, He said that, 'I pray not for the world but those whom YOU have given to me!

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      SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Then His title as saviour of the world according to you is nulified.

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      Marcus D Maysposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Very Good, look at what is going on! How is all these people going to heaven and hell is expanding the same time! That title was put on Him not from the FATHER but from man or trick of the devil!

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      SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Hell is expanding? ROTFLOL. Have you been reading Mary K Baxters book about hell again? As it is written, Christ the Lord will draw ALL men to Him. God has forgivin all sins, or are you incapible of recieving this message?

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      Marcus D Maysposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Go back and study if you do not understand, or know what you are talking about, because even Christ talked about hell and He never said that He will forgive all sins or people!

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      SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      It is you that needs to study scripture. Christ never warned about a pagan place call hell, He warned the Jews about God's coming wrath through the symbolic use of Gehenna. As for forgiving all sins, you need to read 2Cor5.

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      Marcus D Maysposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Read Isaiah 5 vs 14, Matt 5 vs 22, Matt 10 vs 28, Matt 23 vs 33! Now you go to these and show me why He never talked about the place! Awake up my Friend, and look at John 17 vs 9!

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      SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Read them yourself. It is obviouse you need to.

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      Marcus D Maysposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You weak!

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      SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I get it. You have recieved another gospel than the one that the apostel Paul taught. And I get my strength from God so I am never weak.

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   SwordofManticorEposted 11 years ago

   Here is the answer to my question. Christ has total victory over death. He defeated it for us all, and He has saved us all from it. The Gift of salvation is a gift that has already been given to as all. It is not something that is needed to be excepted, it is a process. We are born, we live in this world through certain hardships, but experience love as well. And when we die, the gift kicks in and we go to the Father. With the Father there is no sense of time, just pure, absolute, clean love and gratitude.

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