I'm not afraid of it, and I'm extremely well versed in it. I just don't believe it.
Proselytizing and trying to push their religion into the public arena is what earns Christians a backlash, not their personal and privately held beliefs. Not out of fear, but because it's offensive to do so.
This is a secular, diverse society that gives us freedom of and freedom from religion-- I don't believe any single religion's morals, beliefs or teachings should be imposed upon us all.
Those that do believe know that God is love. And, that if we live in love, then God is in us and delivered through us. Society is composed of evil that man does because they do not live in love. For the upright walk blameless while the evil does not
I believe, I'm just not Xtian. My Gods are love. Love isn't being arrogant telling others what to believe, forcing them to live by your beliefs. That's pride & arrogance. Society is composed of people who deserve free will and beliefs to be respe
Ignorance and lack of understanding. The premise that a higher being has control over your life is just too much for a non-believers ego to fathom.
Or, the premise itself is based upon insufficient evidence. Look at the suffering in your world. Your higher being controls that? Then it is not worthy of your worship.
Most suffering is caused by "man." God has given us a perfect Earth and look what we have done to it.
JimMiles-Are you familiar with "Free Will"? And "Freedom of Choice"? It's pickin' the Holy way or that of the devil. Pretty certain you understand.
Hey, Happy, which holy way to choose? Do you think any old holy way is OK, or do you have only one "right way" in mind? 38,000 Christian denominations, many of which claim to be the only true way. Didn't Jesus pray for unity? Hate it when God ignores
God still only sees one church, regardless of what man sees and does. God's way is still the right way. That's what's amazing about mankind, we can mess up everything, and still think we're right. Ignorance is bliss!
jstfishinman: God sees one church. So He won't care if I join either the Catholics or the Protestants, the Westboro Baptists, the Branch Davidians, the Mormons, the JWs, SDAs, Christian Scientists, or Scientologists? R U Unitarian Universalist?
JimMiles Right, brother. I stand by my comment. I don't essentially see myself at odds with your thrust.
people afraid of the christian religion because they find it difficult to obey the God's law. people are selfish and wicked which christian forbid so for these reason people don't like it.
Are you saved by grace through believing and faith, or by obeying God's law?
No one can keep God's law perfectly; God gave it to man so that we might come to the knowledge of our sin and turn to Christ for forgiveness and justification before God. Unsaved humanity will always reject God's law because that is their nature.
I don't think it is honest or right to say that. Many people you will never see in a church love God, love you and will pray for from thousand of miles without anyone knowing about their greatness> Essence or appearance is the question. Love, peac
" Is it the immoral factions pressing for equality?"
Oh my. Let me guess - you hate gay people. I'm gay, so you wonder why I'm put off when most gay persecution is done in the name of antiquated religions. Religion has some good points, some bad points - unfortunately, often religious adherents are focused on being the biggest jerks possible by wallowing in their verses about abominations and telling people they're going to hell. People feeling free to be more critical of religion isn't a bad point in society. It's one of the best things in this modern world.
So, the bad points are those who disagree with your lifestyle. Wow. Isn't that convenient.
JThomp42, isn't misrepresentation (which you just did to aliasis' answer) a form of bearing false witness (Exodus 20:16)?
I did not misinterpret her answer at all. That is simply ridiculous quoting 1 verse of scripture from a whole chapter JimMiles.
JThomp42, u r a Christian; didn't think u'd need more than 1. "...all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death," Revelation 21:8. Proverbs 19:9, "A false witness will not go unpunished."
I am not a false witness. Where did you get that non-sense? I fully understand this answer and I commented appropriately. I am a child of God saved by the blood of Jesus Christ. I do not have to worry about the lake of fire. r u a Christian??
JThomp, u think paraphrasing "gay persecution" and "telling people they're going to hell" as "disagree" is not misrepresentation? Do you define 'misrepresentation' differently than the average writer?
I have told no one they are going to hell. You brought that up my friend. In fact, I really do not understand your jibberish. You are all over the place?
Reread aliasis' answer. SHE referred to Christians who persecute gays and tell them they're going to hell. No, she didn't (nor did I) personally acuse you of doing that. Rather, she made statements, which you then snarkily misrepresented.
I have read this statement and I gather the same from it each time. Like I said, you are talking gibberish. Do you even understand what you are saying? Of course gay people aren't going to like what the Bible says about being gay. It is an abominati
"So, the bad points are those who disagree with your lifestyle." Ooh, my "lifestyle", classic homophobic response. This is why conservative Christianity is losing adherents in America. JThomp42, do you eat shellfish? just wondering.
As a Christian, I hate the sins that people commit. Not the person that commits the sin. I have worked with recovery programs for a long time, and I hear people say if you don't like my life style you don't like me. That is really closed minded.
"Recovery Programs" ..... run by people who think they are more acceptable to "god," for others whom "god" wants to change. ("God" of course being your own, well intentioned maybe but ignorant, egos.)
Jonnycomelately, I never said the recovery programs were Christian in orientation. Your close mindedness made you jump to a conclusion. Thanks for proving my point!
Ok, I stand corrected..... would you like to expand on that, so I know exactly what you mean? I got the impression it was about trying to convert homosexual persons to heterosexual. Was I mistaken?
I have never dealt with that issue, though I have had numerous discussions with gay friends. I've worked with drug, alcohol, sexual addicts, and co-dependency. I have seen the pain caused by these abuses. I believe in love the sinner, hate the sin.
jstfishinman if you can't accept and support your friends for being gay, when it is inherent in them, and literally is about the adult they fall in love with... then I kinda doubt you actually have gay friends.
aliasis .... This an Old Testament question that you are referring to. The answer is null. We do not live under the "old law" any longer. As I do not have an alter in my backyard either.
Yes immoral factions strain moral society. Yes an act that does not perpetuate humanity aids the immoral faction. Moral individuals do not hate. Moral individuals love even the sinner. People need not tolerate moral but they must immoral. Why?
So you think two individuals who love each other, dearly; support each other in their walk through life; support children; assist the community; and have fun between themselves occasionally; are not perpetuating humanity?
No. And you are certainly not elevating humanity.
As far as I am concerned, humanity does not need to be elevated. The "god" you espouse and apparently worship is so small, so worthless, so limited, that I cannot see what you admire in "it." Why are you afraid of such a nonsense god?
It is the little things that make it so easy to Love the teachings of Jesus. It is so very wonderful to be anointed by the Lord's blessing. Those that choose to ignore the small things scour through life never to feel the ecstasy of righteousness.
LOL I'm a lesbian and I'm going to have kids. Biologically. Where's your god now. I imagine you also hate couples that are medically unable to have kids, right? Immoral strain on society? The real strain is people who use religion to persecute.
aliasis, your burden belongs to you alone. your choice is always attributed to you personally. your destiny is fully based on you. you seek equality, yet cannot be equal due to your choice of inequity. Then ask for others to accept inequity as equal.
I do not want to insult your culture or belief. What I am asking you to consider is that every country, culture, language, personality I have encountered there are the same human beliefs of right and wrong, care of children, worries and doubts, aspirations to do better. There are also the negatives. In every culture. Religious or Scientific. The main negative for me about any idea is when it discourages questions and debate. i previously thought religion was useful for certain people, now I do not know. I think people should question everything and truly think about it.
Please do not be offended, I am writing my true thoughts because from your words I believe that you are speaking your true beliefs. The ideals and honors that make sense for this society. I am happy for you if this makes sense for you. Can you consider my position?
I have studied many religions, but I did need to check these specific quotes
1 John 2:9-11 ESV
Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness.
(personal explanation-this is directed at me, not you. I want to understand everything. I know we both know we are right. The most important question to me is how can we understand this, and not make it a dividing problem.
If you come up with an answer that can combine opposite ideas without argument, I will elect you for figuring out how we can have peace on earth. I have ideas. If two opposite ideas can combine, this is possible.
This weekend I joined a group to repair a house belonging to an elderly lady who had lost her only son that had been providing her with a livable environment. Her community is one of the most impoverished in the local area.
When we arrived the neighbors began to look out their windows and peer around their houses as we piled out of our old bus. When the work truck arrived with our tools and equipment, many of those neighbors came out onto their front porches to view what was happening in their neighborhood.
Soon, an elderly man and his wife approached us and asked if we were there to tear the old place down. We explained that we were there to repair the house and provide assistance in the future if necessary. The old man then said, "Why are you doing this?" We explained that we were followers of God, Christians that assisted as the Bible explains, "1 Timothy 5:3 Take care of widows who are truly needy". The old man then began to cry and asked if he could be of assistance also. He explained that he had prayed for many days that God would return to his neighborhood that had been taken over by drug gangs. He said, "this neighborhood does not have a church anymore. The preacher left when his wife was killed in a drive-by."
Our group then looked at each other and decided to discuss this over our lunch break. We worked all day Saturday cleaning, painting, fixing, and meeting with the elderly owner of the house we were repairing. The more we worked, the larger the crowd became in the neighborhood. The more we talked to these local owners, the more we discovered that they desired to once again follow the teachings of Christ. We began our work at 8am and we finished just before midnight. At midnight, we held a prayer group with the widow who had recently lost her son. Many in the entire neighborhood stood and prayed with us during our ceremony. Individuals who we believe may have been part of the drug problem drove by, but did not stop to do their business. The neighbors then proclaimed that they would hold prayer every evening in the streets. We decided it would be good if we joined them.
Sunday morning, our group and those in the neighborhood repaired the local church building and held church at 11am. The former elders of the church performed the service, thanking God for his generosity and love. We will now begin our daily prayer meetings on the lawns of the neighborhood. The 80 homes will now again be bounded by God's love.
God 100 - Gangs 0
Matthew 6:1 "Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven."
1Timothy4-15 Be diligent about this work, throw yourself into it, so that your progress may be clear to everyone. 16 Pay attention to yourself and to the teaching, continue in it, for by so doing you will deliver both yourself and those who hear you.
I think it isn't the Christian religion that some people don't like. Like you said, Jesus teaches love and compassion, and Christians often help the poor and hungry. I think the problem some people have with Christianity isn't the religion, but with the Christians.
For instance, a little girl I knew didn't understand why she was supposed to be "going to hell," only that after having fun and playing with her cousin and her friends at her cousin's church, she was prayed for then kicked out of the building. The adult youth pastors there told everyone to get on their knees to save this demon (let me remind you again...a ten year old little girl, why by then was in tears) from the fire. Why? Because she went to the church across town!
That ten year old little girl was me, by the way.
Mahatma Gandhi said "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
abusive authority occurs when evil adults invade the normally safe church. it becomes enormously vindictive when the elders do not recognize the invasion. when this happens, your tale of despair occurs. I pray daily that you are blessed with love.
What's frightening is the sheer number of people who are frightened of thinking for themselves. Perhaps the problem is the judgmentalism of Christians, as your questions so clearly demonstrate.
Individual responsibility is not taught in schools. Schools teach tolerance to immoral acts and rejection of moral principles. That is why evil is growing within the schools. That is why kids follow the path of immoral tolerance. Judgmentalism - not.
Morality is presented in true moral principles
Moral principles are not ideas by "whose dialog" but solid presentation of ethics
Ethics promote positive utility to society
I.E. gay marriage does not promote positive utility
Thus immoral to society.
presented in wisdom by those who have attained it.
but as seen here - questioned continually by those that have not.
Questioned continually due to continually evasive answers.
the only evasion is composed of false care frontations attempting a hijack through slack wisdom.
Truth is the easy path because it requires no such false attainment.
You have yet to answer my original question. What are YOU scared of?
I am not scared - I am concerned that complacency will lead to further immoral destruction of the society. I am concerned that this will lead to destruction of the USA. I am concerned that our youth will die much before their time. are you concerned?
I am concerned about anyone trying to impose HIS own morality on anyone who doesn't conform to it.
no one imposes - truth begets truth
but evil thrives on ignorance.
faith is a true path to individual thinking.
faith leads to solid moral ethics.
moral principles and solid ethics provides a moral society.
this is the desire - this is the need
"...faith leads to solid moral ethics..."
For the fourth time: whose moral ethics? Why won't you answer such a simple question?
You will never break down his/her barrier of self-imposed morality. A waste of time and energy trying to.
society morals are generated through truth concerning right and wrong.
evil opposes truth and degrades society
those that support evil continue to drive for immoral teachings to youth
tolerance to immoral acts continues to grow as apathy expands
Can you define "society morals?"
Can you define "evil?"
society morals = truth concerning right and wrong.
evil = wicked, bad, wrong, immoral, sinful, foul, vile, dishonorable, corrupt, iniquitous, depraved, reprobate, villainous, nefarious, vicious, malicious;
evil thrives in the ignorant - evil doers
Taburkett, I don't feel that any one of those aspects of your "evil" definition apply to me. Can you perhaps allow that I am not "evil?"
As a Christian, I am evil, as are all of mankind. When we compare ourselves to the "perfect" with all our imperfections, we are as dirty rags, to be burned.
Our saving can only be accomplished by believing in the "perfect". Jesus Christ.
Thankyou. You have just crystalized for me in a few words everything thats is wrong with the christian religion.
jonnycomelately - no one has said you were evil. you chose to depict yourself based on your interpretation of words conveying the truth. I do not judge anyone. I simply allow them to depict themselves. This is true even when I assist troubled youth
taburkett: What you refuse to admit (or recognize) is that you want to impose your version of morality on others, based on your beliefs. This is known as religious authoritarianism.
The only truth you know about, Taburkett, is the truth about your self....and you are avoiding that! Get real, man!
WOW - Winston Smith 84 - you seem to believe that I am society. But, I am just a follower of the morals that society declares correct. While others wish to declare immoral as moral, I choose to follow societies prescribed moral path. Moral truth wins
taburkett, on the contrary, it is you who seem to think that you speak for society, in that you pontificate as to what society deems proper. When in reality, you project the moral imperatives of your belief system. Society comprises all.
todays society has lost the morial that make people formal or honoralble way that were in the the old way of castles and nobles. poeple fear to give up the image of freedom of they think they have,but hears a thought if you do not serve god who hold your life?
I don't necessarily think this is a problem or that people are afraid. I feel like people are turned off by religion more and more as the times roll on. Too many people might feel failed by an organized religion and have chosen to search in less oppressive methods for answers to life. Religion has failed in many aspects over time. Social norms, scientific reason, sexual issues and many other things. This may be enough to push someone on the fence over the other side.
Just a thought.
This sounds like a very reasonable, evidence-based, thoughtful reply based upon observable phenomena we all have experienced. Now, cue irrational superstition-based responses based on Iron-Age era pre-scientific mythological texts. 3...2...1...
Evil entices those too weak to recognize the immoral destructive dangers. Some Christians have also begun to sit humbly and complain rather than continue to spread righteousness. Our nation is being destroyed by ignorance, apathy and complacency.
taberkett, you do realize America was colonized to spread religious TOLERANCE, right? What you say doesn't seem very tolerant.
CroftRoan - Tolerance of evil is considered a crime. This is the foundation of ignorance within the USA society. Through this crime, the moral society is being destroyed. This is evidenced as wild immoral youth beat & kill because they are bored.
Then what about the Crusades? The Salem and English witch trials? Desecration of temple and sites that have been around since before Christianity was born. How is THAT not violent? I have never hurt or killed and I'm not Christian.
Taburkett, the only thing YOU are responsible for is your OWN walk in life, your own moral and ethical standards. Work on that, consistently, deeply, and only then look at what others are about. Not one of us is perfect, yet we live and let live.
The difference between the past and the current - is that we can change the current. However, many who support evil continue to evoke complacency and revoke moral teachings. This is quite true as the society continues a death spiral.
You continue to judge others, from a position of anonymity, a very safe and cowardly place to be. Lift yourself out of that dark, incessant hole you have dug for yourself and find some beauty in the world. There is plenty of it around you.
tebukett, the past is what makes us. Without it we cannot make a better future. It is that same past that makes you see everyone as evil creatures. No one is evil for not believing in a God, any god.
as usual, when someone cannot provide truth, they blast away with unfounded accusations. Those who support evil continue to invoke complacency and revoke moral teachings. Society is highly infected with viral immorality spread through ignorance.
I must therefore give up trying to warm to your opinions, Taburkett. Speaking to a blank wall, it seems. Your response is typical of fanaticism. In my humble opinion, but no doubt you will not have a rational reply. So I will close.
Either taburkett is what s/he appears (a deluded Christian), and/or s/he is a devoted marketer of his/her own Hub. All these responses taburkett supplies could almost be random words picked from a hat full of spiritual phrases. Yet all generate $$$!
the accusations continue much like those spouted about Jesus. "who is this miracle worker and why does he come to our land?" those who disbelieve can never find the path of truth because they are caught up in their personal evil world. truth abounds
It's like deep water. I person stays in shallow water to keep from drowning or fear of going underwater. Likewise, the Christian religion is so deep (but in a good way) that some people are afraid of losing themselves) they are accustomed to living according to their own desirable instincts. Unfortunately, Some people feed on milk all of their lives instead of gradually feeding on the meet of religion which is living according to Christ. Non-denominational is considered a watered down type of religion. Being a Christian simply means being Christ-like. Christ was reborn to give us the opportunity to live a much better life after living it the wrong way the first time. After rebirth we should be able to choose a mate that's living a Christ-like life as well. That's considered being on the same accord or equally yoking. It starts with being like Christ and many people are afraid that they are going to miss something by giving themselves to that supreme way of life.
Well Miss/ Mr. the fist thing is that no religion is bad. They are followers who make it look bad. I will just give you an example but I assure you that it`s not my harshness but the rationale to answer your question.
Their are many christian missionaries involved in baptizing local tribes by offering them gifts and other valuables in India. Okay now as a Hindu, when I see this malpractice what inference would I take out of it ? These are missionaries(followers of Christianity) which are impelling others to comment on religion of yours.
I love Christ too.
Christianity it is a good thing. You can´t just say that being a christian its a bad thing. Being a christian it is a good thing because , God does not want to harm anyone, He just want to make things go right in everybody's life, but people sometimes don´t understand His plans.
May not be. No chance for fear. Jesus Christ teaches to Forgive and Love. I think it is a religion we can follow without any fear.
Lee: " If you're not willing to question your identity, or "how you think" of what you really are, you'll stay what you've always been." Wow! Couldn't have said it better! This is where "religion" is today! Complacent! I wouldn't call "religious people" Christian, for to be Christian is to be Christ-like of which I find few!
Religion has taught ALL to look at Scripture with "carnal" eyes, relating to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as "three different persons or beings" yet One! I will agree they are One yet not "different persons or beings" but GLORIES, Whose Name is Jesus! God is the Father (Spirit), Holy Spirit is (Spirit), so the only One that could be "a person or being" is Jesus Christ Who has since ascended into heaven (Spirit) and sent us the Holy Spirit (IN HIS NAME) to help "guide us!" (John 16:13)
Seekers of truth have not been "taught" to "Seek first the "kingdom of God and his righteousness so all things can be added unto him" (Matthew 6:33). If ALL would seek the Holy Spirit Who is our "teacher" there would not be a church on every corner but we would ALL be on one accord!
Tab: You say "Jesus teaches love and compassion. Christanity teaches the Ten Commandments." It's statements such as this that proves there is lack of "guidance" from the Holy Spirit in religion. We must first understand Jesus' Doctrine to be rooted and grounded IN HIM to obtain the "fruits of the Spirit!" (Gal 5:2-23) Love is telling one "The Truth" even in our "fleshly" relationships how much more in our Spiritual journey?
Christianity only teaches The Ten Commandments "..to bring us unto Christ.." (Gal 3:24-25; I Timothy 1:9-10)! Once IN CHRIST, "the fruits of the Spirit" are benefits!
By now, you have read something here that is not in agreement with what you have learned or been taught! That's why I love Lee's statement! However, by showing "love" and telling "truth," Jesus said this in Matthew 10:34: "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth; I came not to send peace, but a sword;.." Why? Because He knew that "religion" would do exactly what they're doing today: Misleading ALL!
Therefore, since the majority are "complacent" in what "religion" has taught them or what they've taught themselves by reading Scripture without "guidance" of the Holy Spirit ("literally"), when "truth" is told from Scripture, it causes dissention!
Yes, it is all that you stated above but "mainly" lack of understanding of Jesus' Doctrine!
Many people are not AFRAID, they don't know, don't want to know, or many know exactly what is in the Bible and choose to share, worship with people or not, or make another choice that fits their unique soul.
Once, people roam your life, relationships and home to control you, you have obligations you can't handle or you can't be yourself without being a sinner or a bad person, you may not want to integrate a group that has requirements that you don't want or can't handle. It starts with just love and compassion, then sundays, then thursdays and sundays, then trips, then lots of money etc… in many cases. Once we've been there or know about it, we may want to love and be at peace with our family and few friends and be and do the best we can until we leave this world at peace with God, maybe not with "men and women of God".
I personally don't confuse God, my relationship with him and others' views, demands, organizations.
The simplistic idea that christianity holds the key to morality I reject, 100%. All I see in support of that idea is ignorancy, superstition and religiosity.
AMEN: "..you can't be yourself without being a sinner or a bad person.." For WE love ourselves (or what WE want) more than GOD! WE "..love the creation more than the CREATOR." (Rm 1:25)
II Chron 7:14 "...shall HUMBLE themselves & turn fm their w
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Christianity in general is less dogmatic and more tolerant of non-believing people and so, the Outsiders have a reason to fear.They are justified in concluding that they may lose their Entity under the influence of Christianity, an indirect threat because it is different and more receptive.
Really? I think the motivation behind your question is in itself very questionable and insincere. For one thing the Christianity of today came about by violent power struggle that had nothing to do w Jesus teaching. It's a distortion. People want the TRUTH and the RELIGION of Christianity actually doesn't offer that. What passes for Jesus teaching is a mess these days. It's basically anything a Christian wants it to be. You made Jesus into a God. nonsense really but say that, believe that in the middle ages and you could find yourself BBQed alive...for your own sake..to save your soul. what the ^%#%^. like Jesus would approve of what passes for Christianity? I don't think so. Jesus gives you no room to distort his teachings..it has nothing to do w him being God.
Taburkett's question was answered numerous times, but he was unable to open his eyes to the "truth" he was seeking. Inner truth. Instead it was self-deception, ego and ignorance. Pathetic but he's left HP. Others have replaced him. Same old....
I bellieve it is because of the "add ons" and/or the "take aways." A Christian is a person that has a willing relationship with Jesus Christ. It is not about following religious practices. It's about learning more about God through this Word.
Many people today, like the Pharisees in the Bible, turn people away from God through their hypocrisy. Many people don't want to give up what they like to do (sex, drugs, arrogance, hate, etc.)
Christians willing submit to
1) Love God with all of our hearts, minds and strengths and
2) Love our neighbors as ourselves.
Who are our neighbors? Everyone!
You can't force anyone to become a Christian. It is a decision that a person makes. Christians should not hate people who are not Christians. Christians should love non-Christians.
Di, in my view it’s the UN-loving attitudes of individuals who weave all manner of excuses to justify their judgement on others, then pass the onus onto their god...beliefs can help so many people to live as they wish. So can “unbeliefs.” All ok.
Hi jonny! Actually, the Bible speaks about those who judge others. Move pole from your eye to see needle in someone else's. It is difficult to spot the legit from illegit. The relationship is between self and God.
Absolutely Di. It's like the curtains drawn across the windows of your private room. No one else has a legitimate look-in.
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