What would be the definition and meaning of ULTIMATE DEATH?
There is death and then there is DEATH......
The ultimate death exists -it is called hell. A living death where one suffers eternal damnation without hope, apart from God. Hell is conscious torment
1) Everyone will exist eternally either in heaven or hell (Daniel 12:2,3; Matthew 25:46; John 5:28; Revelation 20:14,15).
(2) Everyone has only one life in which to determine their destiny (Hebrews 9:27).
(3) Heaven or hell is determined by whether a person believes (puts their trust) in Christ alone to save them (John 3:16, 36, etc.).
Key Passages About Hell
(1) Hell was designed originally for Satan and his demons (Matthew 25:41; Revelation 20:10).
(2) Hell will also punish the sin of those who reject Christ (Matthew 13:41,50; Revelation 20:11-15; 21:8).
(3) Hell is conscious torment.
Matthew 13:50 “furnace of fire…weeping and gnashing of teeth”
Mark 9:48 “where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched”
Revelation 14:10 “he will be tormented with fire and brimstone”
(4) Hell is eternal and irreversible.
Revelation 14:11 “the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever and they have no rest day and night”
Revelation 20:14 “This is the second death, the lake of fire”
Revelation 20:15 “If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire”
The first "death" was in the Garden. This wasn't a physical death, contrary to what many fundamentalists seem to imply. It was a spiritual death -- separation of the "self" from God. This was the formation of ego -- the knowledge of good and evil. In fact, it seems, from my research, that ego gave us all dichotomies -- good-evil, right-wrong, generous-selfish, compassion-indifference, wisdom-stupidity and many others.
I got a taste of the rebirth in 1971, one evening, when spiritual counseling at a Scientology Advanced Org. led me to consider the ultimate in generosity and selflessness. Suddenly, I could see again without need of human eyes. In fact, I could think without the need for a human brain. I was unplugged from the Matrix for the first time in many millennia. When I became self-conscious that light from the nearby parking lot was passing right through me and that I wasn't casting a shadow, I found myself sucked right back into my body. Dead again.
I can only guess what the ultimate death is exactly, but I think tsadjatko hit it with "hell."
I think it's sad that so many skeptics, secularists and atheists feel that "hell" is just a marketing tool to scare people into believing -- that "hell" is something God will do to you. No, Hell is something you do to yourself. It's a personal decision.
lone77star, with utmost respect to you and your wisdom, I agree in toto your whole view but " Hell is something.... " in my view is result of our negative tendencies we suffer here in our physical bodies and not in afterlife. Eternal hell is scary.
Einstein demonstrated how energy can neither be created nor destroyed. All matter is energy. We are matter. We will always continue in some way. There is no ultimate death, and conversely there is no definable beginning.
Or to put it religiously as everyone else here has taken the notion to, "...as there is, was, and ever shall be world without end". Amen!
Lee Tea, I have learnt a beautiful saying that God has made this world and He has made this perfect. If I believe this, it is only because people like you mention it in true terms and very appealing to the soul, mind and heart. So insightful view.
The meaning of life is a philosophical question concerning the significance of life or existence in general. The meaning of life is in the philosophical and religious conceptions of existence, social ties, consciousness, and happiness, and borders on many other issues, such as symbolic meaning, ontology, value, purpose, ethics, good and evil, free will, the existence of one or multiple Gods, conceptions of God, the soul, and the afterlife. Scientific contributions focus primarily on describing related empirical facts about the universe, exploring the context and parameters concerning the 'how' of life. Science also studies and can provide recommendations for the pursuit of well-being and a related conception of morality. An alternative, humanistic approach poses the question "What is the meaning of my life?" The value of the question pertaining to the purpose of life may coincide with the achievement of ultimate reality, or a feeling of oneness, or even a feeling of sacredness.
gmwilliams, our existence is covered with two layers. One is tangible that is our physical body and the other is abstract that is our actual body. While there is birth and death to the physical body, our actual body that we call Self or Atman is beyond birth and death. So in my view, Heaven and Hell is also related to this physical body. Self or our actual body is beyond all earthly connections, assumptions, attributes, concepts like good or bad, fair or dark, love or hate and so on. Our actual body is real bliss in pure state if one realizes it truly. We do not experience it because we are preoccupied with everything related to our physical body. So long we are attached to this perishable physical body, there is sadness and happiness, cold and hot, birth and death, love and hate and sons, daughters, wife, mother, father, friend and all relations exist for us that cause so many feelings in our mind. Once we understand that these all are illusory things and perishable, we come to the core essence that God has envisaged for us though in a very subtle manner. Those lucky ones who do not wander here and there and catch this beautiful aspect of God or in other words a real essence of our existence are not afraid of anything and do not desire the things of the world. My friend, death or ultimate death or any death -all are done to this physical body alone. Our Self or Spirit or Atman whatever you call it is beyond all this stuff. If God has made this world perfect and everything perfect, then I would say that He might have made it the way as described above or if not this way, I firmly believe, it would have been far perfect, far better and far appealing than that has been ever described in so many sacred texts and ever spoken by any enlightened being, saint of the saints, Prophet of the prophets. I also hold that any word, any sentence, any place, any symbol in connection with God- if it is not appealing to the common sense of us mortals, then it is not the creation of God. If something instill fear in our minds, I would say it is but natural because it happens at our physical level and the wise ones would have thought such scheme of things for a better living. gmwilliams , you are such a thoughtful person and having a brilliant insight to know these things yourself but posing such a questions has other advantages, nonetheless. Thanks for such a fantastic question, as for myself, I enjoyed pondering over it and giving a valid and sincere response to you.
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Is your name written in the book of life?
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