To atheists and agnostics out there,why do some religionists refuse to acknowled

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   gmwilliamsposted 9 years ago

   To atheists and agnostics out there,why do some religionists refuse to acknowledge that there are
   
   those who do not believe in a god, even contending that those who do not believe or even question the existence of a god are in error and/or denial?  Is it the purpose of such religionists to convert others to their religious purview?
   
   

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   Austinstarposted 9 years ago

   By simply making the statement that I don't believe in a god or gods, I have noticed that religionists get extremely defensive as if I am attacking them personally.
   I have no idea why this happens, but it has encouraged me to be more aggressive toward them. I have the right to express my own beliefs and to ask questions about the absurd behavior of said religionists.
   Why they choose to become so agitated toward atheists and agnostics is beyond my comprehension.
   They actually try to use death threats toward non believers! What kind of insanity is that?

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      You apologized for the statement.

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      Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I think I apologized because you failed to understand what I was saying. I stand by my statement that fundamentalist religionists have psychopatic traits, and no I am NOT diagnosing you. But if the shoe fits, you should wear it.

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      You do not know enough about anyone here to apply those terms, at lease a doctor knows his patient physical and mental background, you have no position or right to practice and say what you are saying. You are wrong.

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      Lady Guinevereposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T and you are saying that you do?  You all need to learn how to read.  That most of you don't.

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Lady G again my comment was not toward you can you read and understand this. Simple.

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      Lady Guinevereposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Hmmm but you commented on my answer, can you read!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      No I used the comment space and pacifically said Austin, can you read.

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      Lady Guinevereposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Whatever...

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      To Austin the post. I am not a liar nor do I attack people.
      I believe we must tell the truth. Now I am done with the subject, also that post was Gmwilliams under What makes some people totally amoral and the essence of pure evil without possessing..

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   Lady Guinevereposted 9 years ago

   Well you know what is going on with my account and not teaching the way of the church versus the way of truth.  I have been attacked and now have some dememted stalker who started on HP and now has progressed to send mail to my other accounts on other sites as well.  NO NAMES MENTIONED, but they will show up. 
   I find it strange that those who get upset with some views and claim that they are being led to believe they are all right and anything that they do towards that injusted is validated in their book.  It all seams to be a cult behavior.  Most people do not get that upset when being told anything other than a religious notion.  They tend to deny and get angry, but when you tell them something about religion they attack like a mad dog.  How do they learn that and why is that instilled into them is beyond me, but it does hurt in ways they do not imagine because they can't even think that far.

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      To Austin I am looking for the post that you call people mentally ill or schizophrenia for believing in God, another posted a similar comment and you elaborated , as I recall I mention if a doctor it would be malpractice diagnosing people on enternet

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      Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I said their behavior resembles psychopathy and it does. I did not apologize for this and I was not diagnosing anyone.

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      Lady Guinevereposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T what does this have to do with my answer?

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      Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Debra, it doesn't pertain to your answer at all. She is trying to find a spot in which to accuse me of something. She also accused me of "diagnosing" people on the internet and possibly malpractice? How, I don't know. It's in her head.

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      To Austin I believe HP removed your comment because I certainly looked for it.
      and there are many witnesses that read it as, well. I do not lie , and I do not have to.
      but you already validated the conversation
      by saying what you did say. Not true.

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   Kiss andTalesposted 9 years ago

   Austin I agree with your right as you have noted, but the problem is how you express that right ,some of your replies belittle, and offend the choice of others.
   That is why people get extremely defensive.
   
   Personally I have read many comments of believers as well as none ,the problem is when you make it personal by attack on character .

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      Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Can you come up with a quote where I have actually done this?

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Yes even better you apologize some months ago , I really put the thought behind us as forgotten, and that is exactly what I believe an apology does.

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      Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      So, that's a no, then? What was I apologizing for?

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I will return with your answer.

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      Stargrrlposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Austinstar, I second Kiss and Tales' answer.  She took the words right out of my mouth.

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      Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Star and K&T - I'm still waiting to see this so-called example.And the one she came up with was K&T accused me to trying to diagnose psychopathy in religionists which I did not do except in her imagination.

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      Stargrrlposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Austinstar:  There are so many examples that I wouldn't even know where to begin.

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      Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I'm just asking for you to produce just one example. Can you do that? Or are you just going to continue to accuse me of doing something without evidence?

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      To lady G ! I personally was making a reply on the subject direct to Austin, as posted To Austin, I never said anything direct to you, why would you say what does this have to do with your answer Lady G ?

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       Stargrrlposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Austin - I simply do not have the time to compile the list.  Why don't you read your responses to others?  I would think that would be obvious.

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       Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       And yet you have time to wonder why you have been banned, why your hub score is so low, and why the atheists/agnostics do not like you. Sorry you can't figure things out. There, I have apologized. Happy now?

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       Lady Guinevereposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T, you wrote your coment directing to AS, but it was STLL on MY answer, and she didn't comment on my ansswer to begin with.

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       To Lady G, the problem is we are limited to reply by space. Also 250 word count, the open comment space was available under your space and no where else at the time. That is why I used that space , she told you also the reply was for her.

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       Lady Guinevereposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       I know that!  Nothing new, but you still did not pose the question to her on her answer.  Don't give me a run around.  THINK.

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Lady G there was no space to post under her reply. That is just as simple to understand. Again I used your comment space and said Austin.  Please stop making this more then it is.

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       Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T The POINT is that you should NOT use another space! If you can't use the appropriate space, then wait until you can!

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       Lady Guinevereposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       @Lela, THANK YOU.

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Is it written by HP to do so ? I never seen it
       and neither have you.
       To Austin I found a reply by you , "you are coping copies of copies that is what makes you narrow minded and dogmatic. Stop it."
       
       That certainly is not right to say to anyone.

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       Lady Guinevereposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       It is right for her to say that if it isn't allowed on here.
       K&T now who is making a mountain out of a molehill and just argining just for the sake of arguing?  YOU ARE< so stop it.  If I were AS I would delete the comment in question and leav

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       Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Well this isn't my question, but there are a few trolls that are not ever allowed on my hubs or q&a. I will delete them. This is why KT has to kidnap other people's space in order to attack me.

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       When a person speaks the truth now you are calling it argument. I will stop replying to you both , there is never any peace with you here on HP. That is proven record.

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       Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       KT - THANK YOU!

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Lela (Austinstar) says
       I think you are getting into the study of psychopathy and the study of sociopaths.
       Some religious people automatically blame "demons", evil forces, and Satan himself for these types of behaviors.
       I'm sorry if I offend you,

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       Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       How is this example a "personal by attack on character"? Because YOU, personally were offended by the facts? Did you not notice that I said, "SOME people"? Why did you take this as a personal attack?

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Why not just say  Atheists in general ? But you said religious people.
       That speaks clearly.

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       Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Because it wasn't about "atheists". Atheists don't believe in demons or devils.

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       I had made my last post on the subject . For  the peace of others.

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       Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       You said that before in a comment above this one Repeating yourself does not seem to help.

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       The difference is I had not found the post that you requested.  When I did that was the whole point. That you say things that are not nice. But you wanted proof, that was my purpose of posting to you.

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       Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       What is hardest for you to understand? That I say things that offend you, or that you are the one that doesn't "get it". Why do you keep posting if you keep saying that you are not going to post anymore?

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       Stargrrlposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       @Austinstar: Here you go:
       "Anyone with half a brain could figure out just from reading the bible that it is mostly nonsense, legends, stories, and some weird twisted view on how the world was meant to be."
       Happy now?

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       Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       And your point is??? Again, this is NOT a personal attack . Or do you think it actually is directed at you?

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       Stargrrlposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       My point is that that statement could be construed as offensive.  I think it makes my point pretty clear.

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       Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       You do realize that people don't live their lives j ust trying to please everyone around them? It's my opinion that the bible is a very horrible false and misleading group of books. Not everyone thinks like you do.

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       Lady Guinevereposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       "Well this isn't my question, but there are a few trolls that are not ever allowed on my hubs or q&a. I will delete them. This is why KT has to kidnap other people's space in order to attack me."  hmmm I know someone else that does this too.

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   M. T. Dremerposted 9 years ago

   I think certain theists frame atheists/agnostics this way (that they secretly believe) because it's their way of explaining something they can't explain. As humans we make sense of concepts we don't understand by framing them with other concepts we do understand. It's why I speak in analogies most of the time.
   
   So, someone who really believes in god (or really WANTS to believe in god) is presented with the conundrum of someone who does not believe in god (and isn't stricken by bad luck or hellfire). After wracking their brains, they conclude the atheist DOES believe, they just won't admit it or (the more popular answer) that they are just angry with god.
   
   My father-in-law made a similar conclusion about me when he discovered I was an atheist. He told me a story about a friend of his who was an atheist when he was younger and grew up to realize the truth and became a Christian. He framed it in such a way that I 'just hadn't figured it out yet' rather than this being my final conclusion.
   
   Admittedly, many atheists make similar assumptions that, deep down, theists know the truth, but are too scared to live in a world without god. Again, we frame it in terms we can personally understand.

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      Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      This is a very good argument for people that cannot accept the non-concept of a god or gods. They constantly claim that "there r no atheists in foxholes". But that is not true either. Isaac Asimov knew he was dying & continued to write about athe

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Also just because you said some does not excuse the statement, because it is still a insult, example some poison is enough to do damage if
      Bitten by a an animal with venom. Should we just say or do nothing because only some people are elergic ?

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   Steven Lindquistposted 9 years ago

   Interesting I always thought that smart atheists would not enter into the fray of this debate, not because they weren't credible but rather because it gives credence to God or gods and that would be the furtherest thing from an atheist's mind. I think that if you argue about god then you give credit to the existence of god and there doesn't seem to be a real winning situation for many atheists except keeping quiet on the issue. Some of my favorite arguments have been with atheists and non-believers and the reason is they speak so passionately about the non-existence of god it almost seems to be promoting god in some respect.

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      To Steven L even though there is a choice to be quiet about the subject, Theye would be no reason to have forums , even though I highly disgree , I do appreciate those who reply back , because you learn things you did not know. I respect that.

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