As a genralization of people you have talked to here in the forums, who seems to be the happiest group, Creationist's or Atheist's?
As a generalization, both sides that typically engage in your ideological debates are radical, one way or the other. I find that radicals are very unhappy people.
"As a genralization of people you have talked to here in the forums, who seems to be the happiest group, Creationist's or Atheist's?"
Not all people who believe in God are creationists. And you can't go just by someone's behaviour on an Internet forum if you want to assess how happy they are. (Although maybe you can spot the really *unhappy* people from some of the stuff they write.)
i'd say the non-believers. almost every creationist i have encountered is pretty high strung and angry, even. prolly because they think the so-called non-believers are having all the fun or something.
I think people who don't put lots of effort into forcing there opinion on people are happier, imagine the stress someone who is constantly trying to change another feels
Yes, I agree. But why do we try to get others to accept our belief and why does it make us feel better when more share our belief?
This actually refers only to the beliefs we are not quite sure about and don't admit this to ourselves. It's a fear of being proven wrong I guess.
I believe the dumber you are the happier you can be. And there are more pleasurable ways to get dumb than listening to sermons. IMO
By what do you mean "Creationists"? I am a creater of art. This is something I find great joy in. Whether someone says it's a result of God or not, I really don't care.
In that light, those who find happiness within, rather than seeking outside sources, such as religion to fill the gap, do seem to be the happiest to me.
A very good point. However, one could argue (I'm trying to remain neutral here) that those who are unhappy and search for an outer source become happier when they find that outer source. After all, one could argue that an believer is an athiest who was unhappy with just leaving questions hanging and needed something to grab hold of.
Why do you think some are more dependent of a belief than others outside of themselves?
Without meaning to be pedantic, shouldn't the question be:
"who seems to be the happiest group, believers or athiests?"
"who seems to be the happiest group, creationists or evolution-ists?"
I think most believers believe in creation and most atheist's believe in evolution, aren't they pretty much the same? lol
I had a long argument typed out in response to this. Then I realised they are pretty much the same.
Yeah, ignore me, carry on
I was happy when I was an atheist .
Then the experience of enlightenment was something else, happiness is too mild a word to describe such bliss.
Now I can be very happy or sad , more than most people.
I can laugh and cry very easily.
Then at times no feelings at all, stepping back and watching everything like a big movie knowing all is me.
Difficult question. I suspect that having the burden of eternal damnation hanging over your every move, every spoken word, every action seems like a very unhappy existence.
Having to obey and worship the invisible and undetectable seems like a very stressful condition, especially when the god in question is most demanding and vengeful. If he doesn't like what you're doing, a pillar of salt you become.
Believing in magic means that anything could happen at any given moment where the physical laws of the universe are meaningless.
I can't imagine anyone deriving happiness from this situation. It's more like living on the edge of a giant razor blade.
I would think atheists would be happier. Atheists have no "truth" that the sub-conscious mind knows is a lie. This must play havoc with the inner self, something that is evident in these religious posts!
Oh come on Ernest, "Atheists have no "truth" that the sub-conscious mind knows is a lie" is a ridiculous statement to make, I could make equally irrelevant statements about atheists....
I have never had any doubts about the truth I know, for I have been in filled by the Holy Spirit and seen Him at work in peoples lives.
I do not dispute that there are many 'armchair' Christians who maybe have doubts, who have never had a Holy Spirit encounter and therefore cannot truly say they know the truth, because they have not me the truth.
I'm happy, even when things look bad, because I know who I believe in and He is sufficient for all things.
I stand by what I said. The sub-concious knows it's a lie. That is why religionists have to "externalize" their beliefs to try to make others believe.
it helps to still the inner voice that keeps whispering "This is crud!"
Maybe the inner voice you heard was a little demon trying to work on your rebellion?
I deal with my beliefs daily, and change then daily in the light of better information. Must be uncommon as it is often called the road least travelled.
Religionists are indoctrinated. You could never belief religion if left to your own devices other than the "lizard brain" sending out fear signals that is! Religionists are afraid of any reasonable truths and would rather believe in anything than confront their fear.
Not True, I am a living example of a person that had no religious 'training' until I was 13 years old. I found my faith as a grown man. I read no bibles until after I was living on my own as an adult.
Can you say that with all honesty? No church, no social pressure? I find that hard to believe, as I have never seen someone who was not indoctrinated before.
Yes I can, no church upbringing. Mom took me to my first church after I would not let the subject die. At 13 years of age I saw a movie on tv about Jesus, I was curious and did not let it go. I was raised without ever hearing about religions at all. My friends were from non-religious families. Not that had many friends.
I had a brief period as a "Jesus Freak" in the 70s. I think it was a direct result of Jesus Christ Superstar and Godspell
your subconcious lies to you , because there is no truth in you!!!if the truth was in you , then you would understand.i have ask you be4 what you beleive and you wont say you just attack every body else
Bulldust! My beliefs are an open book, as you are.
You show your total lack of knowledge of how the mind works.
You mean because of what they choose not to believe they are generally happier?
(Mind you, when the two are both slowly dieing I would think they are both equally happy because an Atheist will change his mind and turn Christian quite often.)
They do say ignorance is bliss though, don't they?
I have to disagree. I think promised rewards for believing are promotional tools used by religion to get believers. I think a person should do good simply for good rather than in expectation of a favored afterlife. If they want to believe they get a favored afterlife and it motivates them to do good, so be it. I do disagree with religion or anyone else claiming the absolute of knowing what happens at death until they are dead.
Actions speak louder than words E. I hope you don't mind me saying..
You don't seem happy, E.
I hope I am wrong.
But your posts seem angry and alone all the time. You do not debate, just grump around is all. Like a mean grandfather making jokes to himself about everyone.
I hope your words do not reflect truely to me what I think they do.
And most atheists I speak to seem angry, frustrated as though no one is listening to them or something?
Anyway E, your about the coolest Atheist I have met on Hubs so far. At least your humor is not vile like some.
Its Good comedy.
Why is it that if your not following the christian thing that your an athiest? It seems everyone who disagrees with the christian ways is dubbed athiest? What the hell?
Happiness comes and goes according to the circumstance.
But peace endures all situation.
Who is that one who possesses such?
I believe both can be equally happy. It depends on the person.
What I don't understand is, why is it every single time, a believer posts something the non-believers will flock to the post? Then in said post they'll make sure to practically shoot anyone down who believes in something.
I dunno, if you atheists are so much 'happier' shouldn't you be going out and doing awesome atheist things?
By the way; not all believers are a like, Earnest. You wouldn't like it if I said that all atheists subconsciously believe that there is a God, would you?
I would not mind at all. It is true to some extent. Religiosity is hard wired to overcome the fear of death, but it can be understood as fear when we learn enough psychology to see how it works. Daylight in a dark place. We can deal with it if we try.
He asked who is happier, creationists or atheists. A bit hard to answer if only creationists or christians comment.
And to answer the question; I don't think ANY of them are happier. They're both too busy bickering at each other, and not being useful. Ex: Christians helping people, and the atheists...erm, helping people/having fun.
No, I take that back. Pagan creationists seem to be happier. They don't seem to hang around much and bicker. Not that I've noticed.
your right....life is good when you believe your belief, with no desire to change or be changed.
I believe that a person can sometimes be too open minded; meaning that one moment they can be a Christian creationist, then the next an atheist; then the next week a pagan; next week a pagan creationist.
There comes a time when you have to truly examine your faith (or lack there of) and settle it once and for all.
We need to question belief in god or anything else we believe. Religionists are not game!
I think there are too many emotions tied into most faith based beliefs making it nearly impossible to debate beliefs in a logical manner. I also think most are dependent on a belief title or non belief title when simply claiming individual belief does the trick.
I don't believe you can generalize any group of people, not even for a true reading of majority. Except maybe great hubbers in this community who have been banned yesterday and today.
Ernesto, ya know I luvs ya, but I have to tell ya - I'm an extremely happy person! I just don't worry about a whole lot. I try to turn it over to God for the things I can't solve on my own. And no, I'm not some simple-minded idiot. I've held positions with very important responsibilities, and I was efficient and successful in carrying them out. I'm talking about things I have no control over.
From personal experience I've had my share of trials; not one which made me go atheist.
But, that's just me.
Mankind is an emotional lot.
I think our ability to separate emotions for rational and logical thought is what makes us different from animals.
I do not see religionists dealing with any thought processes logically. They do not seem to know anything about their minds.
I think faith is just as important if not more important than logic. I just think they are unbalanced in some more than others. I don't think this means one is elite to the other.
also not true, I know a great deal about my mind.
Do I think atheists/agnostics can be happy? Sure! One of the happiest, nicest guys I've ever known is an atheist.
I actually feel like writing a hub; I'm not entirely sure if you're trying to convert anyone, Ernest; but at least with me it's not working.
There have been times that I've thought about the whole God thing. Does He exist? Is He around? There have been times where I've tried to not believe in His existence, and it's never worked.
Anyway, leaving this forum again.
I love the idea that happiness can be made into a competition. Go to your room, the lot of you. You've been very naughty!
Anything you want that I can cook. I have some shrimp in the freezer???
I just stopped liking you!
My husband is the same way. He must consume 10,000 calories a day and never gains an ounce. I think I can gain 5 pounds just smelling food. lol
I think both groups are equally happy from their own perspective. Otherwise they would not stick to any belief system-atheism also a belief system.
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