The SOUL``Spirit. What is your understanding? Do you believe Human beings HAVE a

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   fpherj48posted 9 years ago

   The SOUL``Spirit. What is your understanding? Do you believe Human beings HAVE a SOUL
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   believe we ARE A SOUL/Spirit at our basic core/nature, within a physical bodily form?
   
   

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   Austinstarposted 9 years ago

   I believe that we are made of the same stuff that makes up the Earth, stars, and the entire universe. If we have a "soul", it is the energy that exists throughout the universe.
   The universe is infinite energy + infinite mass + infinite space.
   Therefore we have always been part and parcel of the universe and we always will be.
   We aren't "born". We don't "die", we just change forms.

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      Oztinatoposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Very good grasshopper. Now all you need to do is stop steteotyping religion as right wing Christian and see that many other religions essentially believe what you do.

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      Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I dont stereotype. I fight against religious harmful dogma. I dont care if you worship whatever god you like, but i will fight for my rights as a woman, as a human being, and as a defender against religious indoctrination in children.

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      Ericdierkerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Did I miss something or did someone just say the government should tell me what I should raise my child believing in. I am amazed. Austinstar is going to decide what I teach my children and she does not even have any.

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      Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      As usual, you jump to erroneous conclusions. I am not the government, and i do have children. I am not trying to tell you how to raise your children, i am trying to convince you that what you are doing is brainwashing. Let them decide what to believe

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      Ericdierkerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Right and what do you want a five year old to be taught?

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      Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      It doesn't  matter what i want. You are supposed to be the responsible parent and keep you child from harm.

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      Abhimanyu gaurposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      That is why it is said that god is everywhere and in everything. Quantum physics is a complex subject but we know now that everything is made up of energy and please check out quantum double slit experiment so that you come into terms with reality.

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      lawrence01posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Austinstar
      That's a very interesting way of looking at things. When I was researching a hub on the existence of God I found this was the view of many Ancient thinkers like Marcus Aurelius.

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   Phyllis Doyleposted 9 years ago

   
   
   Hi Paula. I believe we have a Soul within our physical body. The Soul was sent to the University of Planet Earth to continue learning and developing our Spiritual path. The body houses the Soul. Our Spirit is that which always is - eternal. My analogy / theory is like the grape. Ok, LOL, if you must - hahaha
   
   A human being is like a grape, growing and receiving energy from the Sun till it is ripe. When the grape is ready the skin (physical shell) is removed and dies during transformation. The pulp (Soul) is processed into new wine (Spirit).
   
   We are children of the Universe, part of All That Is.  Like the Sacred Lotus we should strive to rise above the muck and mire below to achieve our Highest Truths.
   
   Image: Lotus, Pixabay, ennelise
   https://pixabay.com/en/flower-lotus-pink-727953/

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      fpherj48posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      No...No LOL from me.  Your comment reflects a lovely, viable concept.  Thank you much, GF.

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      Phyllis Doyleposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Well, thank you, Paula. What a great gal you are.

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      MizBejabbersposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I think that is a beautiful way of putting it, Phyllis. The only thing I would change is to say that "the human is a soul that occupies a body" because our awareness resides in the soul.

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      Phyllis Doyleposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Well, thank you MizB. I will not change it though.

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   Ericdierkerposted 9 years ago

   We are at our core souls. That energy that flows between souls is not organic. Even though science can now monitor the energy it does not make that energy simply a matter of biology.
   I find it interesting when people talk about NDE's they get consumed with an experience and lose focus of the fact that the body is dead without the soul and spirit that makes it live. If the body is alive it is the home for the soul. If the body dies it is no longer the home for the soul. So revived dead bodies are still dead unless the soul returns to them.
   If you can travel the world over and see all classes of people and joy and happiness and disease and famine, there is  one thing that you will always find and that is love. It just resides in all people save the souless ones and they are rare and very strange. We call them psychopaths somehow the soul is just not at home.
   But there is no denying that in general all people have some love. That is a reflection of the soul learning to be alive.

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      fpherj48posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Eric    I appreciate your thoughtful contribution!  I enjoy learning varied concepts of most all topics.

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      MizBejabbersposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Eric, I think they are fascinated that their awareness has come back into the body. A few have claimed to have seen angels, but most people are changed by the experience, some drastically.

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      Sparkleaposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Eric i agree with MizBejabbers that many are changed by NDE experiences.  i also agree with you that one thing you will always find is love.  Love is the key to everything and I believe God uses Love in magnificent and miraculous ways.

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   tsmogposted 9 years ago

   
   
   First, consider this contribution as being of 'me' as 'I' present a view **. This is how I conceive those relationships you inquire of. It remains so while I continue my journey seeking reasoning while consider why to change it. I do consider science while know it uses at times assumptions for theories still unexplained and its roots is philosophy.
   
   ** A branch of science - social psychology (Symbolic Interactionism) hold the self is composed of the social 'I' (External self) and the 'Me' (Internal Self), which for this 'self' or any 'self' based on that theory/view 'me' will really be never known. Its foundation as all science is based on philosophy in this case is pragmatism.
   
   To explain this view I offer first a Haiku Poem . . .
   
   sunrise a circle
   flowers, trees, geometry
   eyes, inspired, poem
   
   For ‘me’ seeking to have an understanding of or for ‘soul’ I dance around it a little or else I will write on and on and on exploring seeking new discovery. For ‘me’ it comes down to “No pressure . . . have fun, fun, fun . . . as best as can be” or enjoy the ‘spirit’ of the question you asked Paula. :-)
   
   It is with my body writing having created a conceived image seeking illustrating something of least this singular ‘self’ from my mind as a notion inspired by the question. Emphasized is ‘perhaps’ there is some ‘soul’ with this answer. Perhaps it can be likened to that hit “I Try” by Macy Gray expressed by its genre soul music. I have not been able to explain music no more than inspiration without some concept of soul . . . or simply . . . I dun’no . . .

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      fpherj48posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Tim....Thanks so much 4 UR interesting & lengthy comment.  I appreciate UR enthusiasm 4 my question.  UR attitude is healthy & sensible.  We can only learn by seeking w/ an open mind.  Life poses much for us to understand!

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      tsmogposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      You are welcome while I thank you for reading. I sought being brief as I can wander all day pondering and researching the topic you presented us with. Again, thank you for that!!

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   getitriteposted 9 years ago

   There is no scientific evidence to support the existence of a soul or spirit, so I'm going to assume there is no such thing. But if we would like to suspend reason, we can pretend that we are "spirit" beings that somehow preside in a living body...then leave upon the death of that body. Makes for great fantasy.

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      MizBejabbersposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      You sound like my daddy. However you haven't dug deep enough. There is now scientific evidence enough to get scientists to realize that there is an energy expulsion of some kind after the body dies. They've measured it at 9 ounces. Or is it 9 grams?

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      Phyllis Doyleposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      That is true, MizB. I believe it is 9 ounces. They weighed the some people before and after death and there was definitely less weight after.

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      Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      That 9 ounces thing is a myth. It has never been duplicated by another medical examiner or scientist. There may be some fluid loss after death which could account for the discrepancy.

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      Phyllis Doyleposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      My mistake, Lela, sorry. The soul does not weigh 9 ounces,  it weighs exactly 1/3000 of an ounce. Physicist Dr. Elke Fisher points out that scientists were careful to account for all weight differences including air leaving lungs.

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      fpherj48posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Ladies:Thanks 4 the help!~
      "getit" U do not believe soul/spirit exists...can U tell me how U describe OR what name U might give to the very "essence" of we humans?(Providing U accept there is essence to ALL living things.) Thank U.

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      Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Please let me know the ref link. And where the study is that verifies that conclusion. Thanks!

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      fpherj48posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Lela, if no one gets back to U, maybe try to google Dr. Elke Fisher, who Phyllis mentioned. (?)

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      Ericdierkerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I looked into it. Very interesting. I don't know about  Dr. Elke Fisher but there are enough studies that show the loss of around 1/2 ounce at time of death. Amazing. I hope someone soon does another study with our newer technology.

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      Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      There are some current studies being done in the field of noetics. I will check into what is current and get back to the thread.

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       getitriteposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Paula, What u are describing is not evidence of a soul or spirit. We know that consciousness is a function of the brain. All organism have this function. So would a grasshopper also have a soul? A housefly?
       BTW, that "scientific" study is BUNK!

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       fpherj48posted 9 years agoin reply to this

       getit, I did not "describe" anything. I asked U 2 pls describe or explain the "essence " of a human. I also did not mention "consciousness," which I'm aware is a state of the brain...U used this term. It's OK if U prefer not to address my question.

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       Ericdierkerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Getitrite, No these studies show that other animals did  not lose the weight. Heavy stuff. Very interest. Not enough evidence for a fact but plenty for a theory.

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       Phyllis Doyleposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Lela, here is a link I found. I just googled 'study of weight of soul'. and found
       http://beforeitsnews.com/beyond-science … 68460.html

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       Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Ok, Snopes agrees that the study was done, but the results were inconclusive - http://www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp Think about having to put a dying patient on a scale! over and over again. The results are as bizarre as the testing method.

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       Ericdierkerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Nowadays they could put them in a bed with a scale built in. I hope some doctors with nothing better to do, do it.

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       Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       I would hope that they not experiment with dead and dying people, certainly not without permission. Either you have faith that a soul exists, or you don't. What do you gain by experimenting on people on their death bed?

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       Ericdierkerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       I would volunteer. I already am donating my organs (as if anyone would want them)

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       fpherj48posted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Eric.Since U mention organ donation..Many in OUR age bracket have chosen 2 B BODY Donors (To Medical Teaching Colleges & Univer) I did this long ago.Much 2 B considered but I just wanted to mention it to U. Saves $$ on funerals, burials, etc.

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       Ericdierkerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       What they cannot use for organs is  donated  to the University of Arizona College of Medicine. They are the ones who ran the trials that saved me in stage four lymphoma. What a waste is burial.

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       fpherj48posted 9 years agoin reply to this

       The expense is ludicrous..falls on our family..Y give up any part of what we leave them? Running out of grave space anyway. In lg cities they're piling them on top of each other.Lovely thoughts, eh?? Congrats on beating lymphoma! How many yrs?

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       Ericdierkerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       20 years, but now it is back. Such is life. I am a "downwinder". Some of us kids were radiated by fallout from atomic bomb testing. Interesting stuff. Kind of hard to live with though ;-)

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       fpherj48posted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Treatment must be more advanced NOW, Yes? R U having to go thru all of that again? 20 years is EXCELLENT term of remission!  Gosh U've researched the "downwind" theory? Interesting but an unacceptable mistake by man.

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       Abhimanyu gaurposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       I do not think that soul could have a weight as it is not something physical.

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   Sparkleaposted 9 years ago

   Wow, Paula, this is a doozy!  And what terrific answers!  Way beyond my scope of intelligence. 
   I am a 'see Sally run" person.  I try to be simple, as I understand simplicity much more than the logical left brain.  (What a gift God has given us, our brains! - SO VALUABLE)
   Even though I believe in God and the resurrection of His Son Jesus Christ, I still struggle.  I have seen the current movie, Risen, three times.  When Jesus died on the cross, a deep breath flowed from Him...and He said to God the Father, "Into Your hands I commend My SPIRIT. 
   Therefore, I believe the Spirit leaves the body at death and goes into eternity.  I often look up quotes of famous peoples's last words when they die and it is amazing what they say!  I know Steve Jobs, when he died, his last words were, "WOW, WOW, WOW!" 
   Then there is the SOUL.  My childhood prayer, 'Now I lay me down to sleep I pray the Lord my SOUL to keep, if I should die before I wake I pray the Lord my SOUL to take." 
   I guess at this point in my life I would have to say that any good that comes out of me physically, verbally, or even alone, is the manifestation of the SPIRIT in me.  Without the Spirit of Christ in me, I am nothing.  No one can really break my Spirit if I have Christ.  But when I am deeply hurt by others or heartbroken, I think that may come from my heart and SOUL.  Yet, I do believe somehow that the soul and Spirit are entwined.  This is one of the great questions I will have for God when I go into eternity.  A very profound question, and thank you Paula.

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      fpherj48posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      And a very profound answer, Spark.  I love "any good that comes out of me....is the manifestation of the Spirit in me."  When we R said to B "in good spirits," that speaks directly to our mood~outward appearance from our INNER sense of being. Yes?

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      Ericdierkerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Very cool Sparklea

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      Sparkleaposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Paula and Eric, thank you! from my heart

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   Michael-Milecposted 9 years ago

   Both, Paula I know and I believe, we  the human have three separate parts, the body, the soul (our conscious intellect, will,  and emotions) as well as the SPIRIT. We read " there is a natural body and there is a spiritual body." Our spirit body have a form and shape corresponding to our physical body. It puzzles me how few people would like to talk about this "real" spiritual world  except within the satanist's religion as  they practice astral projection...
   As soon as  our spirit is  reborn into the Life-giving Creator's likeness we have  a conscious awareness of our spiritual body as we do our  physical body. We can walk  and talk with God in spiritual realm.  Those who do, will not insist on " scientific "proof - there isn't any - only practical supernatural realm of a higher living. You know it by  experience, as soon as facing a person or a  group, our spirit senses either the spirit of joy and exaltation or a spirit of  depression and ill. In my case a discernment gives me idea how to react... I never argue the matter of  eternal truth, while on the other side do not provoke. Inside of my spirit, I take authority - and  leave it open  to everyone seek and find...

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      fpherj48posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Michael, yours is a really deep & inspiring reply. Thank you so much. I admire your sincerity & generosity in sharing your innermost beliefs.  I am impressed with the variety of responses I've received.  Interesting!

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      Ericdierkerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      What an interesting statement of faith. Thank you for sharing that.

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      Sparkleaposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Michael-Milec you are awesome

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      Phyllis Doyleposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Very well-said and good truths to live by, Michael.

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      Michael-Milecposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      To your unadulterated question Paula, it was easy for me to answer along the mind of Him who has revealed publicly of His original man's design creating spirit and soul and providing the body for human while here on the earth..

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      Michael Milecposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Eric, your comment  is encouraging me to speak up my faith boldly. SPARKLEA, thank you for acknowledging with me the God's awesomeness . PHYLLIS D.B.  Your  bold message to me is to go on and live theTruth we know , not disappointing those who believ

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   ValKarasposted 9 years ago

   What you guys call "soul", I call "our quantum design". It's a longer story than I am planning to present here, but here are the basics. Intuitively, not by any scientific evidence, I think that we are designed perfect in our quantum form. Quantum, as all you know, means "how much?, and is sometimes symbolized by a question mark. It denotes a physical state that's flickering between energy and matter  -  making us ask "how tiny is that matter form before it turns into energy"?
   Subatomic particles are said to be more like "pieces of information" than matter. On that subatomic/energy level we are perfect in our design. But then happens that transition between that level of existence into a Newtonian, material form called "our bodies".
   
   During a meditation I got this image of oxygen and hydrogen, two gases turning into water  -  which now doesn't behave anymore as two gases, but a liquid. Metaphorically, something similar happens between our personal realms between quantum design and a body. Newtonian laws screw up our perfection, "perverting" it into behaving like that metaphorical "water".
   
   Our DNA is the bridge between the two realms. Our cells are basically whole organisms, with a nervous system, immune, elimination, respiratory systems, they communicate, and they go crazy, like in cancer. So, in the process of evolving, the body respected the principle of analogy, so cellular intelligence gave our head something like brain.(I personally think we were genetically engineered by space visitors  -  sorry religionists).
   All awhile, our quantum design is intact.
   When some folks pray, or do qigong, or pranic, or spiritual forms of healing  -  they MAY get in tune with their quantum design. Being immersed into the quantum soup of everything in universe that's "entangled", quantum design may affect events at a far distance, attract or repel "things" of different or same/similar frequency. For example' two electrons that were in some kind of a relation  -  when set apart by a galaxy would still affect each other's behavior like identical twins.
   
   So, back to the "soul". If you like the name, fine with me. If you don't care about my little theory, fine with me. Now ask me about all the experimentation I have done on myself, my vitality, my model of emotional functioning  -  and I may say, "go figure it out for yourself what can be done", because I have no patience with those who just thrive on proving me wrong  -  and a ZERO interest to prove myself right.
   
   Soul IS.

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      fpherj48posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Val. Generous of U 2 share so much of UR theories w/ our readers. Most of this is a brand new concept to many who do not delve & search as U have 4 yrs. Don't worry, I don't mind mild disagreement, but I will not allow people to attack negatively

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      Ericdierkerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      interesting ego. The ego just bleeds through in this. The "I haves" are just remarkable. "follow me because in my 71 year life I have answers" just is overwhelming. What a cauldron of self manifested truths. Good luck with your perfection without God

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      ValKarasposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Paula  -  I forgot to say that our health is in a direct proportion with our closeness or deviation from our "soul". And our ego is the culprit behind such deviations. A syllogism : ergo - our bad health is result of ego. Never seen a doc in 8 years.

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      Abhimanyu gaurposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Intresting theory but I will stick with god rather than aliens or anything else. Why? It sounds the most reasonable one and the most simple one too ( god). The energy that converted into the universe must have been around before and that is god.

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    t08c15posted 9 years ago

    I had a hub published a while back that provides a scientific explanation for the reality and existence of souls. It is titled "Ghosts, Spirits, Others ethereal and Alternate LIFE" (
    http://hubpages.com/education/-Ghosts-S … rnate-LIFE )

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       fpherj48posted 9 years agoin reply to this

       t08c15....Thank you.

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    Abhimanyu gaurposted 9 years ago

    We have a soul and it is can not be destroyed. The source of all life on earth and the source of entire universe is one and the same. The big bang is nothing but creation of the universe by god. Scientists say that before the big bang there was a singularity but what was before that. Stephen Hawking thinks that  there was nothing beyond that and we can not measure what was beyond that. Hardly 1 percent of the universe is understood by modern science. An atom in not known entirely. We know nothing but still science says that we may find a way. Phenomena like Ndes and astral projection are just disregarded on the basis of unusual brain activity. Anything that science can not explain it simply does not exist. Science can not explain god and therefore god is disregarded too. I just want to ask one question to all the scientists? In Hanuman Chalisa which is a prayer to Hanuman( the monkey god) the distance between earth and sun is mentioned. Recently modern science has confirmed that the distance mentioned in the text is correct. So here is the question: how did some ancient people with zero scientific knowledge found the distance between earth and the sun? I suppose they were souless and they guessed it. Just kidding but my question is serious.  I think we have a soul and I am 100 percent sure. I am sorry but I am just annoyed by modern science. I will end with a quote from the great genius Nikola Tesla "The day when science begins to study non physical phenomena it will make more progress in a decade then it has in all its centuries of existence" Tesla inveneted Alternating current and we still use it all over the world.

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       fpherj48posted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Abhim...Thank you for your fascinating response.  The information of the Hanuman Chalisa (prayer) is positively stunning.  Simply amazing & gives us much to realize.  Peace, Paula

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       Abhimanyu gaurposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks Paula and there is much more that I can say but I think I made my point. If there is any scientist or scientific mind please answer my question. Thanks

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    savvydatingposted 9 years ago

    In my view, the soul is our innermost being. It is the best and brightest of who we really are. There are some who are “soulless” having denied their best selves---over and over again--- through lies and any wrong or false action(s). When we honor our souls, our entire being expands and we begin to reflect our soul on the outside---for all the world to see. Thus, our soul is not merely contained “inside.”
    
    Some say that the soul is our “spiritual” being, which has been alive for eons and will continue its journey after our physical deaths. I like the idea that the soul lives on, but I really don’t know, nor do I worry about it.
    The one thing I do know is that every time we stand for justice, every time we defend the vulnerable, and every time we sacrifice our time for another human being---that is when we have honored our individual  souls. On the other hand, when we deliberately maim or attempt to destroy another person’s spirit, then our own souls will shrink---because we have dishonored that which is our “highest” self as well as the “self” of the other.
    I also believe that some of the most unlikely and misunderstood individuals have the greatest souls. ...Wonderful question.

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       Abhimanyu gaurposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Awesome answer.

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       fpherj48posted 9 years agoin reply to this

       ...and a WONDERFUL response, Yves!  Simply awesome, which tells me that your thoughts & words come straight from your soul!  Your view is inspiring.  I love it.  Peace my Friend, Paula

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       savvydatingposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Thank you Abhimanyu and Paula. How kind of you both.

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       punittongiaposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Very true.

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    lawrence01posted 9 years ago

    Personally yes I do! Put simply I believe that mankind was made in God's 'image' but God doesn't have a body (unless you count the physical body of Jesus that came about after creation) so that must mean we have a soul and a spirit.(the soul being the house of the intellect and reason wheras the spirit is the will)

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       fpherj48posted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Thank you for your comment, Lawrence.  I appreciate your visit & inspired input.  Have a great week-end.

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    RJ Schwartzposted 9 years ago

    I believe we all have an essence that holds our core values, emotions, and acts as a moral and emotional compass.  I also believe that we can allow ourselves to become mired in the mundane, immoral, or illegal parts of life which can put a layer of film on that essence, stopping it from performing it's guiding task.

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       fpherj48posted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Quite a deep & enlightening belief, RJ.  Yes, the term "essence" is the ideal one to describe the "soul."

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    Phyllis Doyleposted 9 years ago

    Does a soul exist in humans or animals? Let's look at some theories that have been around since ancient times. read more

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    bravewarriorposted 8 years ago

    Yes, I believe in the Soul. I also believe because of that we never really die, just out bodies give out. I've had experiences with family members who are (were) alive but in different parts of the country. We've visited. It's happened to my mom, too. Perhaps it's our American Indian blood that makes us attuned to Spirit. And I'm thankful for it. I've been told that I have "visited". Once by my dad and another time by a friend.
    
    I've even seen people that are dead that I never knew, but knew of. One was a little boy about 5 years old. He'd peer around the bathroom wall when I was getting ready for work. This was when I was married to my second husband. Apparently, he'd had a brother that didn't live past infancy. Somehow, he came to visit, but only I saw him. Why he only progressed to age five I have no idea, but there's no doubt in my mind it was my ex-husband's baby brother. He never saw him, though. Strange...
    
    So, YES! I believe in the Spirit. It is who we are. The outer appearance the rest of the world sees is simply a casing to protect our spirit as it grows and strengthens.

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       fpherj48posted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks for the awesome (personal) comment GF!   Your view is very deep and meaningful.  One that I'm sure can bring you comfort at times.  Hugs!

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    threekeysposted 8 years ago

    As yet I haven't lost anyone close to me. But I have lost my pets. Something odd happens just about 2 months before they pass away. I start to feel disconnected from my pet. I feel like I have lost something. I don't undetstand. I feel really horrible that I feel that way to my loved pet. Then I find my pet dies not long afterwards. So if this is the experience of soul? Then yes I believe we have a soul. Or a part of something bigger than us and we are more connected to one another than we realize. I think that that period of feeling emotionally disconnected was my pet preparing to pass over and letting me know his time was up.

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