Is Jesus The Son Of God Or God Himself?

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   PhoenixVposted 8 years ago

   Is Jesus The Son Of God Or God Himself?

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   Norine Williamsposted 8 years ago

   GREATEST "ALLEGORY" IN SCRIPTURE!
   
   John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the "GLORY" which I had with thee BEFORE THE WORLD WAS." 
   
   I keep telling ALL, GOD operates in "GLORIES" as He expects us to!  II Corinthians 3:18 says {paraphrasing}  We "...are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as (just like) by the Spirit of the Lord."
   
   John 8:58 "...Before Abraham was, "I AM!"  Why would He say this if He's not GOD (aka "Father")?  Did He LIE?
   
   Genesis 1:26 "Let "US"..."  Who was the "US?"  ALL of His "GLORIES," not only Father, Son, Holy Spirit (Trinity=LIMITING His Glories!) but ALL others!
   
   Ezekiel 22:30 "And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found NONE."   Therefore, He had to come and do it Himself! 
   
   I Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the "mystery" of godliness: GOD was manifested in the flesh..."  "...received up into glory."  As Jesus Christ! 
   
   I keep telling ALL "unspiritual, peanut brain men" JESUS is GOD!  I have given a scenario:  Imagine GOD as Smoke Who "fills the heavens and earth" (Jeremiah 23:24) and a Portion of that SAME Smoke "manifested Himself in the flesh;" this is "Father and Son" yet that SAME SPIRIT! 
   
   GOD "TRIED" to related to "mere man" by "calling" Himself Father and Son in hopes that we would do as He commanded "Worship in Spirit and in Truth" (John 4:23-24) to "see!"  He's always spoken in Allegories, metaphors, parables, and illustrations.  He spoke in parables so much the disciples asked in Matthew 13:10-13 {paraphrasing} "Why do you speak to them in parables?"  Jesus replied, "For them who have It (Holy Spirit) can "see," but them that do not, cannot "see," nor do they understand."  That's EXACTLY where we are TODAY!  Those that have IT can "see" (One is Judah's Daughter on HP!) and those who do not thinks it's crazy because they've been "taught" by RELIGION while others have "STUDIED!"
   
   GOD referred to Himself as Father and Son because THAT SAME SPIRIT (or Smoke) broke off and manifested Himself in the flesh and WAS subjected to this sinful world, while the Father Portion of THE SAME SPIRIT (or Smoke) WAS NOT subjected to this sinful world; Hence:  "Father and Son!"
   
   There are MANY MORE Scriptures stating JESUS is GOD but one will never "see" if not "Worshiping in "Spirit" and in Truth," but only look at "THE LETTER" (II Corinthians 3:6)!

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      Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting, I never though I would see Norine support the concept of the Trinity.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      You still don't!  Unless The Trinity says GOD has MORE than 3 "GLORIES!"  They LIMIT GOD - I don't!  He's ONE SPIRIT (I Cor 12: Eph 4:4-6) and not only 3 "persons" (Col 2:8-9) and his NAME is JESUS! 
      GOD is What He is, but JESUS is Who He is!
      READ!

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   Venkatachari Mposted 8 years ago

   It is all our perception. But both are same, whether you refer to Him as Son of God or God, both are the same BEING.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      NOPE!  The SAME SPIRIT (I Cor 12; Eph 4:4-6)!
      GOD is a SPIRIT (John 4:23-24)!

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      Venkatachari Mposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Okay, the same SPIRIT, SOUL or whatever you may call.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Amen - SAME SPIRIT!

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   mhel19posted 8 years ago

   The Bible’s answer
   
   Jesus’ opposers accused him of making himself equal to God. (John 5:18; 10:30-33) However, Jesus never claimed to be on the same level as Almighty God. He said: “The Father is greater than I am.”—John 14:28.
   
   Jesus’ early followers did not view him as being equal to Almighty God. For example, the apostle Paul wrote that after Jesus was resurrected, God “exalted him [Jesus] to a superior position.” Obviously, Paul did not believe that Jesus was Almighty God. Otherwise, how could God exalt Jesus to a superior position? —Philippians 2:9....
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      Venkatachari Mposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I told everything depends on our perception. There are so many interpretations that confuse everybody. There was no birth or death nor exaltation to a superior level. God willingly and intentionally enacts all these actions and scenes to teach people

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Reason "THAT SAME SPIRIT" (I Cor 12:3-4)  was "Greater than  I" is Christ came to sinful earth & (aka) GOD (SAME SPIRIT) didn't! I Tim 3:16 "GOD was manifested in the flesh!" Is LORD not GOD? Eph 2:11 "JESUS CHRIST is LORD" "I & my Father r O

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   The0NatureBoyposted 8 years ago

   Jesus, as all life, are begotten of god learning to comprehend all that god knows so we can be in control of existence before we forget before so we can go back through the learning process again.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      "...go back through what learning process again?"
      Prove with Scripture!

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      The0NatureBoyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      NW, Exodus 3:14 tells us that when we comprehend "I Am That I Am," Isaiah 45:7 when spirit shows how to understand that and so many more similar to them.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Give Scripture where we "go back thru learning process again" not "I AM That I AM!

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      The0NatureBoyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      That is a direct revelation where the Bible is concerned, you would have to study other scripture since "all scripture are GOOD FOR DOCTRINE."

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I asked you to provide Scripture! 
      I Peter 3:15 says "Give an answer to EVERY MAN  that ask you a reason for the hope (belief) that's in you..."
      Don't defy Scripture!

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      The0NatureBoyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      NW, Prove that you study scriptures other than the Bible and I might.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I TRUST Holy Spirit to REVEAL "understanding" of ALL "Scriptures!"  You should as well!

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