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Why Are Atheists The Most Vocal And Obvious Islamic Apologists?

  1. PhoenixV profile image67
    PhoenixVposted 2 years ago

    Why Are Atheists The Most Vocal And Obvious Islamic Apologists?

  2. Oztinato profile image73
    Oztinatoposted 2 years ago

    Cuz they're scared of Muslims? Also I really don't see a lot of atheists making excuses for Islam but quite the opposite.

  3. tamarawilhite profile image91
    tamarawilhiteposted 2 years ago

    In Dennis' Prager's book "Still the Best Hope", he gives an answer:
    There's a war of the world views right now, Islamo-fascist, Judeo-Christian American and liberal secular.
    The liberal secular team up with the Islamo-fascist because they want to tear down the Christian American culture and having monotheist Muslims makes them say "it isn't because we hate religion, look, Muslims agree with us!"
    The Muslims join with the liberals because the liberals' multiculturalism lets them have their own enclaves, no matter the forced veilings and early marriages. And because the liberals look at them as poor third worlders in need of sympathy and support, so the alliance increases Muslim immigrant and gives them welfare.
    What liberal atheists ignore is:
    * the Koran calls for death to atheists, and Iran and Saudi Arabia execute them formally, while Pakistan won't investigate the murder of dozens of atheist bloggers and writers for the past few years
    * Islam calls for the death of homosexuals; ISIS throws them from roofs, Saudis and Iranians execute them after trials, Orlando Plus club shooter just showed up with guns to a Pride party for maximum death count
    * Islam is misogynist, from women being worth half a man in court and inheritance to always some man's property to she can't get into heaven if her husband isn't happy with her to rape victims being tried for sex outside of marriage (even the moderate UAE has done this to western women reporting being raped).
    * When a culture is allowed to have its ghettos and not have to assimilate to modern mores, IT WILL NOT assimilate, especially when it considers Western society evil and so decadent it should be conquered. 

    So the liberal secularists are siding with what looks like a weak ally they are reflexively sympathetic for, ignoring the fact that Muslims will destroy everything liberal secular societies support if they have more power.

    Then again, the liberal secularists may like the totally authoritarian nature of Islam down to controlling speech, dress and behavior and thus be attracted to a rigid and harshly enforced ideology - which is something social justice warriors WANT to do. In that case, it is authoritarians allying together to tear down the dominant culture. But it means Muslims will win that war, because most atheists won't fight for their freedoms or anyone else's.

    1. PhoenixV profile image67
      PhoenixVposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe they are allies on a spiritual level too?

    2. Ericdierker profile image53
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What an interesting viewpoint. I saw today that the LGBT only will support liberal democrats. Wow what an intolerant society part of us are -- I think a small part.

    3. Billie Kelpin profile image85
      Billie Kelpinposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      This answer is among the most incendiary of comments that I have ever seen on hubpages and is making me seriously consider taking my innocuous little writings off of a website that can produce such hate-filled, illogical,and unchristian rhetoric.

    4. Readmikenow profile image96
      Readmikenowposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      This answer is so true and spot on, I'm sure it will upset many people.  I can add nothing except my admiration for providing a clear answer to a complex issue.

    5. tamarawilhite profile image91
      tamarawilhiteposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I have a Hub on Dennis Prager's book, the comment above is only a summary of it

  4. Aime F profile image85
    Aime Fposted 2 years ago

    Why are Christians the most vocal about calling people who don't stereotype against all Muslims "Islamic apologists"?

    I don't like extremism regardless of which religion it's attached to and you'll never hear me say that radical Islam is okay - but you'll also never hear me call it a 'Muslim problem' or lump all Muslims into a category with the most extreme believers.  I'm sure Christians appreciate it when I don't assume they're all like the Westboro Baptist Church or are bad people because the Bible said some horrible things. 

    Why can't people extend the same courtesy to Muslims without being called "terrorist sympathizers" and other such lovely terms?

    Unless you're suggesting that you know atheists who say what Islamic extremists do is forgivable because they're Islamic?  Which is pretty much the most un-atheist thing one could do - excusing behaviour based on religion.

  5. jackclee lm profile image81
    jackclee lmposted 2 years ago

    I don't agree that atheists are Islamic apologists. They are against all religion but they are biased against the Christian religion. They know they can get away with attacking Christianity without any consequences where as Islamic groups will kill people who bad mouth their religion. So which group is more fanatic?
    The idea that all groups are equal is misguided. Some groups are obviously more militant than others.
    Atheists are also misguided in their attack on the Christian religion because their own survival as a group depends on a righteous nation with a Constitution that defends a freedom of religion even no religion. That is not true of some other religion such as Islam.

    1. tamarawilhite profile image91
      tamarawilhiteposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Atheists are afraid Christians will create an ISIS-like state, while ignoring Muslims in the west setting up Shariah patrols and demanding religious accommodation per an ISIS-like state.

  6. WithMetta profile image79
    WithMettaposted 2 years ago

    There's a huge schism in the left right now, where most atheists are found. Some of us are libertarian-leaning classic liberals who criticise Islam vehemently. The others (I fear the majority, as they seem to be succeeding in pushing left-libertarians to the right) are "social justice"-obsessed, culturally marxist, regressive authoritarians, who hypocritically rant about the mythical Western "patriarchy" while DEFENDING Islam, which is the only legitimately demonstrable patriarchy in the world, because most Muslims are brown skinned, and Social Justice Warriors are shamelessly racist against those who aren't brown-skinned.

    1. PhoenixV profile image67
      PhoenixVposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I believe it is a unbelievable contradiction between social justice and what I believe are the worst Human rights violaters in the World.  I believe they are allied against their uncommon spiritual enemy simple as that.

    2. WithMetta profile image79
      WithMettaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Phoenix - You use the word "simple" but I have no idea what you're trying to say.

    3. PhoenixV profile image67
      PhoenixVposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Christianity is their common enemy so they are allied.

    4. RachaelLefler profile image96
      RachaelLeflerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      They don't really support social justice as such, it's a mislabel, I wrote an article about what should be done to reform the idea of social justice. Anyway, I agree, and it's sad to be in this rational libertarian camp.

    5. tamarawilhite profile image91
      tamarawilhiteposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sargon of Akkad, Sam Harris and the late Christopher Hitchens are excellent examples of the atheist realists.

  7. RachaelLefler profile image96
    RachaelLeflerposted 2 years ago

    Those atheists that focus on Christianity to debate against do so only because Christianity is more prevalent in their countries of origin. Many atheists who come from Muslim majority countries spend just as much time criticizing Islam. And, many of the big-name atheists hate Islam very much, or at least as much as they do Christianity so I really don't see where you're getting this idea that we're "vocal and obvious Islamic apologists".

  8. heatherlund profile image77
    heatherlundposted 2 years ago

    They are? Really? I'm atheist and I am putting it on blast all over social media saying these Islamic dogs need to be put on leashes. Idk why everyone isn't putting the heat on these hateful people.

 
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