If you are a Christian or of any Faith that Believes in GOD then every time you probably ought to rethink your patronage of Walmart.
China is a communist country and communism is Anti God.
Walmart strong arms suppliers into outsourcing production to China.
Walmart was caught paying a Chinese Company to sew "Made in the USA" tags onto clothing.
Walmart strong arms local communities into special tax treatment.
Walmart provides low pay and low benefits and has been caught several times in several states making workers work "off the clock".
Walmart is ANTI GOD.
You can not have it both ways. You can not support Communism and be Pro God. It's just that simple.
When you lose sight of your Spiritual Beliefs to support a business practice you are an abomination in the eyes of God.
I clicked on this to write "hehe" till I read your second sentence. Interesting blurb (not being sarcastic)
Did you get this out of an old McCarthy era book or something? I think you need to update your library.
McCarthy was right.
Look at us now.
He would be laughing his drunk ass off around the poker table, kikin back shots, making even more lewd remarks about how he told us so.
But, in the end.
He was right.
The Venona files prove that.
Not to metion all the socailist, commy lovers, and communists in our govt. right now.
http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/declass/ … ndex.shtml
Maybe we should just shut our borders and be self sufficiant for the next 50 to 100 years, and leave the world to itself.
Then they will all cry for America to come and help them once again.
In the words of Carol Burnett, My sides, please stop
Say that after you read through the N.S.A. wire taps.
It isn't as funny as anyone would like it to be.
I wish it were a joke. But unnfortunately, we can see the consequences of ignoring and his warnings today.
You do know that when you put your hands over your eyes, people can still see you, right?
TM, these files are from 1940 to 1950. If you remember, for a big portion of that time we were at war with Hitler and allied with Stalin.
Where exactly in those files (sorry, I'm not going to comb through them) is there evidence that McCarthy's claims were correct? I'm not talking about generalized evidence of espionage - we all know that was going on. I'm talking about specific claims made by McCarthy that are supported by the documents you link here.
I personally know the Laurie's and Kronke's, and this is so full of horse crap. They are very good, kind, and giving Christian people. You obviously do not know them, cause I've never seen your face in our neighborhood, at social functions or at volunteer charity events. When is the last time you golfed at Columbia Country Club? Uh, never. Get your facts straight before you start to slander a family's hard earned empire.
Thank you so very much for yet another completely wasteful thread.
Well it was Procter Gamble before wasn't it? Sheesh! What is our world coming too?
Mind you, the rebuttal would be that just about all companies use Chinese suppliers these days. Maybe people should demand easier access or transparency to where their goods come from... China is hardly the only country perpetrating human rights abuses.
It's a little twisted up, there.
Jesus was a card-carrying commie and Wal-Mart is certainly a capitalist institution.
It's a very interesting question all the same. Should a devout Christian not be putting pressure on WalMart given China's fairly rabid persecution of religious people? (Even as a question, it's interesting... I'm not saying they should or shouldn't
I just gotta know, do you religious types start these threads just to give the atheists ammunition?
No-one's telling you what to do, and, in any case, the things people accuse Walmart of are probably equally true for all shopping outlets (the large ones anyway), but where your goods come from does matter. Really. (Maybe not the country, but the conditions under which they were made, and so on)
Adsense I just noticed that I can see you! lol nice pic! and yea I still will shop at Wal Mart no matter what ppl say about it. I have quite a few great friends working there and they do a lot of charities and things so I support my friends. And I like Wal Mart whether they sell things that are "Anti-God" or not...
That is an old photo........
I don't really care about the anti-God thing, and I don't really think boycotting stores does much. In fact, as a loyal customer, you have MORE power over them (and all the other places you shop). It is your right to know that what you buy is not made with child labour, right, for example. Don't stop shopping, just make sure you ask where the things you buy are made (and by whom, more importantly)
It is about the FACT that the N.S.A. had wiretaps proving McCarthy correct in his assertions.
I'd say it is quite likely that in the 1950s there was a Communist attempt, or set of attempts, to take over America... there was this sort of attempt in all sorts of places (and it happened in many of them). But I think I am losing the point here. If that was true back then... keep going... or repeat what you wrote... I'm getting lost...
I'd love to see the Christian Right boycott Walmart. I bet it would lose 90% of its customer base in some regions.
And I talk to people in Arabia, Malaysia and Iran all the time. And I do not have a problem with the US Govt. listening to the calls.
AD--- "But I think I am losing the point here. If that was true back then... keep going... or repeat what you wrote... I'm getting lost..."
The point was the link was not about the NSA wiretaps today, but in the 50s. Which were repressed so as not to disturb FDR's relationship with, "Uncle Joe", Joeseph Stalin. uncle joe was FD's lil pet name for him.
Cute of them, eh?
And today you see the friut of the progressive tree as it rots the roots of our Country away. And you know what to do about root rot.
You cut it out.
Rnnin to twn, bbs
So the point is that FDR kicked off, or is indirectly responsible for the Progressive movement (which seems reasonable), and that he was in cahoots with Stalin (sounds like a politician!), is that it? So, therefore a link can be drawn between the post-War American Progressive movement and Communism? Have I got you so far?
If that is what you are saying, then it is not a completely insane statement, I guess.
For me a problem with this line of thinking is that, while the Soviets called themselves "Socialists", in fact they were hardly champions of the common man! In fact they committed mass murder many times, and curtailed the freedoms of common people in many different ways. I mean, you don't have to like socialism, but socialism is supposed to be about helping the poor, and the downtrodden. If Communists claim to be socialists, I'd have to say, yeh right, frankly.
Anyway, you don't have to like socialism, but I don't think the Communists were socialists, even though they claimed to be
Actually the, kikin off, was woodrow wilson's claim to fame.
As far as the rest. I agree with some.
And, Sam Walton, started small.
This is exactly why I stay out of the religion forums for the most part becuase I know it woould only take me a few hours before I was banned.
Shopping at Wal-Mart means you are smart and like to save money... It has nothing to do with religion. But nice try.
Yeah, I do know. Do be angry with me because my house is paid for, and I had no credit card debt. I lost a husband to suicide you jerk. His life insurance allowed me to keep my lifestyle for myself and my son. What's your excuse..............
I worked hard to get what I got. I worked damn hard. So hard that I saw my husband and son maybe 3x a month. Then I found Bucky hanging with a note around neck.
Thank God, Thank God! We had invested smart, never played hard (no gambling, excessive purchases), paid cash for our homes once we saved up the money, and had a successful life. Don't fault me, for stupid people and their bad financial management practices. How shallow. I never spent beyond my means. If I didn't have the f'cking cash to buy something, I did without and took the bus for YEARS............. oh you jerk.
OK, what sort of answer would you expect from me to this. You have had an incredible personal tragedy, but how am I to know this? The Walmart family (is this who you were referring to) are probably really nice people (I have heard reports of this elsewhere), but because theirs is a gigantic organization, the rest of us have the right to know how they conduct their business. That's how it goes... when you have that much success, the rest of us have the right to know about it... it's a political issue. Large organizations should never be immune to scrutiny... that's how you get totalitarianism.
I am sorry for your tragedy. You clearly conducted your affairs sensibly, and reaped the benefit. But I have no window into your life, let's face it. There are reports that Walmart uses subcontractors that pay people 10 cents an hour in the LOCAL CURRENCY equivalent. Maybe it's not true. But if I am concerned about these things, I have a right to explore the possibility that they are true.
Either way, best wishes to you. But calling me a jerk is inappropriate for this forum
FLag me, you are still a jerk. And you know it..... Your answer was total out of line. And YOU know it. So flag me.
What a jerk. Blame me, blame me and people I know who are responsible, good, kind people- for America's recession. Only a typical jerk thinks so irresponsibly. REPORT ME! Your thoughts on this subject matter, and the fact that YOU don't even KNOW these people, makes your opinion worthless air and a waste of space. Shall I report you for wasting people's time?
Don't be a jerk, and people won't call you a jerk.
If a bear shits in the woods, it's call bear poop. If you're a jerk, you're a jerk. How is it that most people know this and you don't??????
Nevermind. YOu are a JERK! Report me.
Look. I did not know that you had been through such a tragedy.
How could I know that. I assure you that if I had known that then I probably would not have responded to your original post in the first place.
I am a business-owner myself, so understand the relationship between hard work and success.
The Waltons started small and worked their way up. I know this.
The recession was the fault of greedy giant corporations in the FINANCIAL sector (so not Walmart). It was certainly not the fault of private individuals like yourself.
America was ripped off by a few individual financial groups. Period.
Anyway, please just remember that I do not know you personally, so cannot judge a person's life if I don't know them. I admit that I have been influenced by reports that Walmart uses contracts with companies overseas that make people work 14 hour days with no benefits and at insanely-low wages. Maybe it's not true.
Either way, it certainly has nothing to do with you, personally. You are right about that. Of course.
And extremely rude, thoughtless, and on and on...........
Just because someone likes to Golf, doesn't mean they didn't inherit the golf membership or that it is at all a bad thing. Do you know how much the PGA and golfers donate to children every year. It's in the upper millions. Do you know how much the Laurie's have donated to the University of Missouri or Columbia College? It is in the billions. Oh, what a poor excuse you are.....
Oh I get so angry when people start blaming people who are financially smart for America's recession. Especially when they imply that somehow the rich don't know the meaning of suffrage and pain. By God- we do. My son and his father liked to golf. He uses his dad's clubs. It is his way of holding on, and now just because I'm a member of a Country Club- I do not know of suffering or of America's recession? Oh that's BS.
This should really get you, I'm a member of 3 different country clubs. Now, what?
Oh, his attitude is wrong on so many levels.
Thank you Crazdwriter, thank you for the hugs.
I worked hard, for years and years, and years to have what I have. YEARS! I saved, and saved, and saved. I got extra life insurance money. I invested it, reinvested it, paid my taxes, reinvested it. I give, give, give, myself to volunteer and to charity events. I am in those winter coats lines, passing out winter coats to the needy. I help gather and collect those coats. But so too does members from the Laurie's and Kronke's. They are not afraid of getting dirty. They are wonderful people, and America would really be hurt if they someday stopped building stores, slashed everybody's job, or fired everyone and closed their doors. They do not need to make more money. However, their business supports thousand of individuals who do need money and work.
Oh Crazdwriter, thank you. I've had enough. I'm sorry, but.....
Look. I'm really sorry. Honestly.
I promise you I do not blame the rich for the recession. Honestly I do not. Really. And as you say, many many rich people got rich through blood, sweat, and tears, literally. And I know that the Waltons started real small, and that there are many many people like that, not just in America, but throughout the world.
I have honestly never once thought in my head that the rich caused the recession. I promise. It is my strong belief that everything was caused by the mortgage crisis. Period. Really. Honest
Irregardless of my tradegy.............
You stopped and judged someone because they golf????????????????
You assume that they do not suffer as those WHO GOT THEMSELVES into a finicial mess????????????????????????? We all suffer. Not just the poor.
Yes, I am well aware of America's strife.
Yes I too was a highly successful business women.
The fact that YOU are a business man, and still blame people like us for the recession in yadadahdayayayaddada nonsense. Ridiculous your assumptions. Ridiculous. Next time, like in business, think before your leap and speak. You might end up being called a class A jerk!
Oh you've really ruffled my feathers............. I'm not the reason, nor are the Laurie's or Kronke's for everyone else's bad financial planning, and incredibly IRRESPONSIBLE spending. Do NOT scorn the ones who know NOT to spend more than YOU have or make.
What an ignorant way of thinking. Maybe people like yourself are the reason why America is a recession. Irresponsibility. Maybe? Possibly??????????
It's true that rich people suffer as well as poor people -- unfortunately we all have suffering in our lives, no matter what our situation.
I don't blame the rich in general for the recession.
I blame certain finance corporations, mortgage corporations, and, as you point out, many people's irresponsible use of credit (a little hard to fathom, to be honest, in fact). I already said, however, that I hold Wall Street to blame specifically, and not the rich in general. It's very clear that mortgage lenders, combined with mortgage borrowers, combined to make up specifically the cause of the recession.
So, there you are. I was not claiming for a second that the rich in general caused anything. Nor that the Walmart family caused the recession (probably the opposite is true).
Oh so YOUR suffrage is somehow more profound than mine because I'm wealthier than some?
I'm done. You've insulted me enough today. Shall I report you now?
Yeah, I thought so.
3 country clubs? Wow you go girl! and the only golfing I've ever wanted to do would be driving the golf carts Yea I've always wanted to drive a golf cart around sad huh?
And no worries about getting upset chica. just take a deep breath. I am truly sorry about your loss. made my heart ache when I read about your husband. You are a very strong woman, I can tell from your sory about saving and making sure that you have everything that you and your son needs to survive. Good for you! You keep fighting and keep saving! You are definitly an inspiration. *HUGS* again
As an act of contrition I would like to consign myself to having to bear the avatar now shown to the left here for a period of seven days (and also an attempt to inject a jot of humour into what accidentally (on my part) became an explosive situation with a hubber who I am sure is very nice, and with whom I hope to build bridges in future)
Sometimes people forget that everyone does not know all about their lives. It teaches us a lesson I guess not to pre-judge. Not saying that you did that...
No, you're right. I wasn't actually reacting to that particular post at all, in a way. In fact, come to think of it, I recognize that my reaction was irrational.... because I think what I was reacting to was a scene from the Canadian movie (I know you are Canadian.... ) WalMart Nation, where a woman makes a similar comment... nothing to do with golf courses. So, in a way, I was reacting to my memory of that.
But it's true. I don't know the Walmart family personally, so I guess in a way I have no way to judge them, or indeed no right to.
I do however think that large organizations must be scrutinized, no matter what organization it is... because there is much power in ... Big-ness.
Isn't one of the Ten Commandments to "Love thy neighbor?" And aren't Christians supposed to consider every human being their neighbor?
Yes, Wal Mart has made mistakes in their business ethics, as has every other big company out there. However, Wal Mart does many good things for communities as well, such as:
-Supplying thousands of jobs in an economically troubled time when jobs are hard to find.
-Supplying their employees with medical insurance.
-Supporting U.S.A. based charities, which really need our help.
-Supporting community elementary schools, middle schools, high schools, and colleges.
-Supplying many Americans with affordable clothing, groceries, toys, music, movies, electronics, and even furniture that they could otherwise not afford.
Those who boycott Wal Mart are not true Christians. By boycotting Wal Mart, you are:
-Taking jobs away from people who really need them.
-Taking medical insurance away from people who really need it.
-Taking money away from charities.
-Taking money away from education.
-Helping to raise prices on clothing, groceries, toys, music, movies, electronics, and furniture.
So, as a "true" Christian, do you really want to be responsible for even one person being laid off, resulting in that one person not being able to feed themselves or their families and not being able to provide themselves or their family with medical care?
For someone who seems so smart, you sure don't think your plans out very well.
If it's true that Walmart forces its suppliers to reduce their prices by so much that they have to outsource their production to China, then Walmart is probably responsible for as many American job losses as job gains. I suppose it's an object lesson for suppliers not to sell their stuff to just the one retailer if they can possibly avoid it.
Boycotting Walmart wouldn't result in an overall job loss in the US, because people would presumably be buying their stuff from other retailers instead, whose staff would therefore be protected from losing their jobs because of the increased business. (This thread reminds me of the "broken window fallacy".)
Here in Britain Tesco comes under just as much criticism for its own sharp practices vis-a-vis suppliers. It's too big and powerful IMO, which is one reason I don't shop there.
I agree though that the God thing is completely irrelevant when it comes to talking about stuff like this.
If America wants to save jobs, they need to buy local products.
Your own bloody fault if you buy cheap imported products. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy them!
You speak wise words of wisdom from out of the... South
Isolationism anyone? I am all for it.
We should be our own providers and producers, etc. But we been sold out, "outsourced", so to speak.
I'm going to mail you an authentic "BUY AMERICAN" bumper sticker.
We've also got:
"Out of a job yet? Then, keep buying foreign!"
A guy I know once had "Shoulda Bought A Chevy" printed up on some bumper stickers. He went around and stuck them on imported cars.
The problem with Walmart, at least in my hometown, is that they have put everybody else out of business. There aren't any other options. There is seriously only one non-Walmart grocery store left there. When I graduated and moved away from there, they had four of them.
If it were only that simple. It is where I live in Chicago since we have only ONE walmart in the entire city. There's been a huge campaign to keep walmart out of the city because all they do is eat up jobs.
I'm not knocking the value of having a Walmart, I shop there as often as I can and mostly in the suburbs. The problem with having a Walmart in the city is that 99% of all businesses in the city are Mom&Pops and Walmart will make things very tough on them. It's not so bad in and around Chicago but if you go to the rural parts of the state or any rural part of the country you will find that if there is a Walmart around it was at the expense of Mom&Pops.
As for the OP, curious logic at best. I'll continue to support "aethism" as well as the thousands of Americans that need those JOBS those darn aethiests have given them. As a matter of fact, I think we should dig deeper into this. I'll not doubt anyone that suggest the Walton family is at the head of the New World Order and the pinacle of their take over will come when they are finally allowed to have their own branded Bank of Walmart in every store in America.
LOL there are hundreds of them surrounding the city but only one in the city itself.
I live in a city of 144,000 people, and we have two. What do you have, like eight million or something
Less taxes. Garauntee you there is a valid financail reason they are outside city limits.
Sounds right. (Good Lord, another one)
Yes, the reason is the residents of Chicago don't want them there. You can accept that answer or not. Walmart owns tons of property within the city limits, probably enough to put a store at ever square mile but there is a constant campaign to keep Walmart out.
Come on, do you really believe that the largest corporation in the world gives a rats ass about taxes?
Yeah AD. I found his story quite an acomplishment myself. He didn't go out no looser. Self-made, the best way to be.
I just realized that this thread was about Aethism and not Atheism... I take everything back
I enjoy a good trip to Wal-Mart. It is the cultural center of my town. People come from miles around to stare at the good that the mighty Wal-Mart provides. Hooray for the golden calf that is Wal-Mart!!!(The proceeding statement was intended as sarcasm and not as an inflammatory remark)
Seriously though, if you are going to spout "facts", can you provide some references to back you up? This is kind of like the BS that ALL of McDonalds' meat comes from China. Not true. Wal-Mart like any other large business is going to face it's critics. I don't believe Wal-Mart the business, nor the people who run it are communists. Nor do I believe that they are evil and against religion. How can you honestly say that? I think that statement is a little absurd, I think it is VERY obvious that they are capitalists.
i'd like to see an article or something to back this up.
i mean, statements like:
Walmart strong arms suppliers into outsourcing production to China.
Walmart was caught paying a Chinese Company to sew "Made in the USA" tags onto clothing.
are pretty controversial. i would like to see the source of these statements. and "WAL-MART IS ANTI-GOD" omgsh haha that made me chuckle
I guess the fear of slander is non-existent on the forums...
Here's a link that shows the good that Walmart does for communities. http://instoresnow.walmart.com/food-art … 44214.aspx
wow, Richard, that is really interesting. i'm bookmarking that. you know, i have read and watched YouTube clips where Wal-Mart has taken steps to reduce the impact on the environment that hauling their products all over the country causes. they seem committed to making changes. that is actually surprising!
Incredible how much controversy this post has generated!! I always chose not to shop Walmart because of their anti union stance and wanting to become their own bank, which would hurt our community banks. I won't go into THAT controversy now but to say the greed of the mortgage companies and big banks and Washington Mutual President led to our economic downfall, not our community banks.
How much an hour do Walmart checkers (non-management employees) make anyway? Is it much above each state's minimum wage? Because most familys cannot live on minimum wage.
Do people at Walmart hate Walmart? Are they just grateful to have a job? Are they aware of or do they care about what Walmart does to the small family hardware store, etc. etc?
You sure stirred up a hornet's nest! Good for you!
In MO, Walmart checkers make around 10.00 an hour starting. For mid-MO, that's good money.
Now THAT shocks me!
Working as a door person or greeter or as a check out person the current salary here is minimum AU$19.00 an hour plus. After the 3 month trial this goes up to $26.00 an hour. Double pay on public holidays
Our dollar is worth about 90cents USD so that seems like well below the poverty line.
Okay, I'm moving to Australia
I work in an office and I make $15 an hour. Average salaries around here are about $12. Many people in my company earn $8.95 an hour, which is the minimum wage allowed. I just get by, I don't know how they do it especially the single ones.
Goodness me! That is lousy! I have not been to Canada for a long time. It was always a bit tough, but that is terrible!
Come on over, we could use another good mind.
Our minimum wage is $8.35 an hour, Washington State and our average home price is above $300,000, we have the highest gas tax in the nation, we don't pay state income tax but we are taxed for everything else. You can't live here on $8.35 an hour, that's only $16,000 a year! I'm glad to hear that after 25 years your husband earns $80,000. But the young families or single moms are going to have a hard time on $10 an hour.
Not a problem. I'm not a Christian. Pity I'm an Aussie and we don't have Walmart here
Sorry, but that is good money here in Mid Missouri. We have low taxes. Walmart also offers them good health care benefits, retirement, paid vacations, sick leave, and retirement.
I have several friends who have worked for Wal-Mart for 20 yrs or better. Many of them make a good living. Wal-Mart is big on promoting from within their ranks. My cousin Mike, makes about 80k now and has worked for them about 25 yrs. 80k on a GED. That's not too bad.
Yes, men do really well at Wal-Mart. My niece's husband is a manager and makes a really good salary.
We pay the same salary to both sexes at least in the jobs I know about.
I have a friend who works for Big W in a Melbourne suburban shopping complex. That is her starting salary I posted.
Did I imply that they don't here? No, don't see that written anywhere. Checkers here in MO can be both male or female. Hell, they can be black or white too. They all get paid the same. My friend Wilma, started off as a customer service clerk, and has worked her way up too. Just built a nice big house on a 25 acre farm. Wal-Mart does not discriminate. Let us do get that cleared up.
I know one of the sons of the original founder and Wal-Mart is not Anti-God. They outsource because it does not cost as much to make the products in China as it would to make them in the U.S. As for sewing tags made in the U.S. and then shipping them in, that would be a little complicated. U.S. Customs pulls containers in continually for inspection and they do look for fraudulent tags, etc. If they were caught it was U.S. Customs and I certainly give them kudos for doing their job properly. I do not believe however that the buyers of Textiles for Wal-Mart said, " Hey can you do us a favor and sew in MADE IN THE USA." especially when it would cost them there jobs. If it did happen it was someone on the other side (China) who was trying to get away with it.
Do they sell FSM bumper stickers? Those are American-made. What a dilemna for protectionist-religionists.
My goodness. What if every Christian really did boycot Wal-Mart?
That would send a pretty strong message.
*Imagines the sound of thousands of giant box stores imploding*
If it's really such an evil, communist retailer (isn't that an oxymoron, btw?), why aren't the preachers of our evangelical churches warning their congregations?
I don't know about what the OP posted, but Paul Edmonson posted this thread a day or two ago.
I think you can tithe at Wal Mart for 8.88 %
Yeah, but you would feel that either way. At least at WalMart you keep a bit of your money.
uninvited writer, what DID you mean by "men do really well at Wal-mart." Do you know of a difference in pay for men and women?
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