Pat Robertson 700 Club Blames Haiti People for Earthquake

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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
Lapsed Catholics maybe?
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Guess so, very lapsed!
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wyanjenposted 15 years ago
Robertson is worse than any racist IMO.

Zombies - love it, UW! Write it up
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
I'm sure it's the same in the US, many people who claim to be Christians following other religious paths such as Buddhism, New Age religions or even voodoo itself.
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
Wait! Catholic when awake..
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Royal Diademposted 15 years ago
Amen!
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The Paulposted 15 years ago
What an eye-opener, all this talk of "voodoo" and "curses."

I guess when you believe you have magical powers it naturally leads to you worrying about what someone else might be up to with their magical powers.

There was an earthquake. It has nothing to do with this magical nonsense.
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Keep saying it, maybe Matthew 24 will disappear from the bible!
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hopefully your whole way of thinking will disappear with it!
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  The Paulposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This earthquake really happened. Some people treat it like it's "reality" television, there for their amusement, something interesting to look at while eating supper and watching the 6'oclock news. Other people seem to see it as something they can work into their other fantastic claims to make their magic look real. Both approaches are an insult to human dignity. This happened to actual people in the real world, not fictional characters in a sitcom or a myth.
  
  And regarding Mathew 24, I understand the true significance of a vague prediction of bad weather or some sort of disaster as some unspecified point in the future. As such, I'm not worried.
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think you have never read and understood Matthew 24, or you would not describe it as "a vague prediction of bad weather or some sort of disaster as some unspecified point in the future"
  
  Close your eyes to the bigger picture, concentrate on this 'natural' disaster that just happened to occur right in the middle of the presidential palace, in a country where voodoo was made the official religion after independence was granted, in a country that was wealthy, yet now ranks as the lowest in the world. In a country where the other half of the island is a wealthy tourist destination, and Haiti's people live in poverty and corruption.
  
  Then tell me that this had NOTHING to do with God withdrawing His protection from a corrupt and perverse state which chose Satan over God to rule it.
  
  Matthew 15:14
  
  Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”
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  The Paulposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Fucking monstrous. If your god actually existed we would have to kill him as a matter of principle.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  With you The Paul! It would not want to walk in front of my car!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Stop using your disgusting words. Are you a child?
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  The Paulposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Someone claims the people of Haiti brought this on themselves and all you've got to offer is complaints about naught words?
  
  It fucking pisses me off when someone says the victims of a disaster brought it upon themselves, and I don't feel like censoring myself for people simultaneously self-righteous and clueless enough to to think I've said the more offensive thing here.
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  Friendlywordposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sooooo True! As long as someones' despicable comments are worded the right way; they can say anything!
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  Friendlywordposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You're my new Hero! See you in Three days!
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  Unchained Graceposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's all symantics. With the right flavoring, one can realistically say anything these days.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree that Pat Robertson made untrue comments, that were judgmental. But what despicable words have I said?
  I have said Mr. Robertson was wrong many times. Before attacking someone, start reading from the beginning of the thread.
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  Friendlywordposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Please dont think my comment was meant to attack you. I think you are Great! You and The Paul are on the same side. Concentrate on Loony Tunes in this hub defending Pat Robertson!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  In several of my posts here I have stated my view against what Pat. Robertson said.
  And your four letter word has not been the worst thing you've said. However only an uneducated person would use a four letter word on a forum where even children can read it.
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  The Paulposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I loose no sleep over the possibility I might teach children to respond to the idea the victims of natural disasters bring them on themselves with crudeness and profanity.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You also don't mind teaching them to use crude words.
  This shows lower consciousness. Only someone uneducated with no self respect and childish would feel the need to fill in real words with these slang words that have nothing to do with the issue at hand. You're also not suppose to use them on the forums.
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  The Paulposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If anything displays lower consciousness it is assigning so much importance and attention to effectively meaningless words that one loses sight of the fact people are making terrible accusations against extremely unfortunate people who have never done them any harm.
  
  I don't mind teaching children crudeness. It has it's place and purpose. Responding to this madness is an example, these sorts of claims don't deserve anything else.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe their parents don't want them taught crudeness. Don't say the parents should keep their children off the computer either. Children who read your vulgar words have done nothing wrong. You, on the other hand have. You're SUPPOSE to be an ADULT. At least to use the hubpages. Now drop it.
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  The Paulposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And hey, maybe their parents want to train them to think that it's more offensive to say "fuck" than it is to say that the hundreds of thousands of people crushed to death had it coming.
  
  Well then, fuck their parents! Those kids are going to need to be exposed to a "corrupting" influence sooner or later or they'll grow up to be just as stupid as their parents are.
  
  Are you picking up what I'm laying down here? When someone says disaster victims deserve it that's an insult to human dignity. It makes me mad, I feel no shame for that whatsoever, and your ironically childish prattling about how that's childish of me isn't going to change anything. I'm worried that's not getting through.
  
  If you want it dropped, understand I feel no remorse for resorting to "naughty language" in the face of such dire insults, understand it's not going to change, and stop trying to change it.
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  Friendlywordposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  F'''A Right! It's just that people with limited attention spans will concentrate more on the way you relayed your discuss at that animals commment than what that animal actually said.
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I pretty much agree. I believe there are many reasons for dropping the F-bomb and the ones you list are certainly among them. But whatever the reason, 'justified' or not, I wish people wouldn't use the bomb in the forums.
  
  It's not that I'm a prude, a goody-two-shoes or self-righteous; I'm guilty of dropping the bomb way more than once in my life. It's just that I think it detracts from the quality of the discussions here and in turn reflects negatively on the bomber.
  
  In fact I think it ranks right up there with childish taunting and pointless mean-spiritedness which always make the user look desperate, foolish and less credible.
  
  Just my opinion.
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Practicing Voodoo, especially Haitian voodoo, isn't the same as being a Satanist. Not even close. Voodoo recognizes one creator, one supreme being ("God") who has subordinates -- but Satan isn't one of them! God's subordinates are good guys and gals.
  
  If God were truly after Satanists, He'd simply smote them a few times up-side the head and be done with them. He wouldn't kill innocent people too.
  
  Hollywood created an image of Voodoo that's far from the truth.
  
  Check this out:
  
  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi … 0365539998
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This is possibly the most disgusting belief I have ever seen religion produce, and boy have I seen some disgusting ones!
  You would blame the people of a country for a natural disaster! You really don't mind how low you go do you?
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What in the world are you talking about? When did I blame people for a natural disaster?
  
  The only thing I did was point out why Voodoo wouldn't upset God; why the people are not responsible for the disaster.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So what about your avatar ??
  The eye you're showing looks so devilish....
  
  So Haiti is satanic.
  
  Yes! just like in the Hollywood movies
  
  Revolt of the Zombies (1936)
  King of the Zombies (1941)
  I Walked With a Zombie (1943)
  Voodoo Man (1944)
  Blood of the Zombie (1961)
  Plague of the Zombies (1966)
  
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
?????

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Don Wposted 15 years ago
Pat Robertson's comments?

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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
The boible is great at making predictions! And then writing to confirm them!
"There will be weather" OK....
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Whisperer.... "Did God really say that?"
  
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This is creepy. It looks like some kind of bizarre pornography.
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
Spiritual realms don't have anything to do with the God of the Bible.
No god more material and carnal than that one.

And who can confuse technology with spiritualism?
what are you talking about ?
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Unchained Graceposted 15 years ago
Pat Robertson and the 700 Club Crew have gone haywire before, but this time they are straightup wrong. Who the Hell are they> Some self-important televangelists with an eye on everyone's pocketbook. How could th Haitian people be in any way responsible? That clown needs serious psych evaluation. He's a delusional fool, but dangerous because people still buy his delusions.
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Unchained Graceposted 15 years ago
The very scary reality here is that this individual is supposedly widely respected throughout religious circles
and beyond. They tout themselves as the "Moral Standard"
and then turn around and pull this?

As mentioned earlier, this by no means is the first time the 700 Club Crew went offline but this time it's sick and reprehensible. I was there tonight when the medical ship left Baltimore Harbor bound for Haiti.

I used to have a flamethrower of a tongue myself, but ya know what? What Robertson said is beyond any cuss word I could even dream up.
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saltposted 15 years ago
thankyou, I didnt know about the Louisanna Purchase, I need to read more american history.

I was impressed with Hilary Clinton saying they would work with and assist.. which I thought was lovely.. from an Australian perspective it seemed a clear message of assistance, not US dominance. Which I thought was lovely and respectful.

On the punishment from god, cruelly dillusional!
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blondepoetposted 15 years ago
He is a lunatic what goes round comes round
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mikelongposted 15 years ago
It is utter......total...and absolute ridiculousness to pass the idea that the Hatians are being punished....it is that simple...

If I am to believe this tripe, where has the real God been the past 300 years when Europeans raped, ravaged, and ruined "western" civilization (being that the Western Hemisphere was not eurocentric in any way)?

Where is the justice for crimes against humanity perpetrated in "his" (gendered....lol) name???

Being that Christianity was something forced on the "Hatians" by their slave masters, I don't think "God" would mind them not buying into the imperialist mentality..... I only wish more Americans (and other peoples who have benefited from Anglo+American global hegemony) could divorce (even momentarily) themselves from the systems of beliefs that they have been indoctrinated to follow.......

But I suppose our lives are too caught up with "more important" things....

While people are dying preventable deaths (a 7.0 in Los Angeles wouldn't leave so much devastation) due to the willful neglect of global powers we're figitting over who is headed to the Super Bowl....
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Deborah Sextonposted 15 years ago
Reposting what I said before.

The Statements made by Pat Robertson that Haiti is so evil God is destroying it..is incorrect even according to the Bible he himself believes in. If it was true we would all be dead by now.

It also says we do not suffer from each others sins.

OK let's do some reading from the same Bible Pat reads from.

Does one sin rank higher than another sin?
James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all"

Matt. 5: 21-22 "Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment:

Sins of the Father??
Deut. 24:16-"The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin"

2 Kings 14:1-6 says -"The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor the children be put to death for the fathers; but every man shall be put to death for his own sin"
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Deborah Sextonposted 15 years ago
I also said this:

If someone or something which doesn't agree with Pat Robinson dies, it is God's judgment against them..However if Pat Robertson steps into the street tomorrow and a Semi Truck crushes him so deep into the pavement that it will take two sheets of Bounty paper towels to clean him up..It will be God calling him home..Right?
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TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years ago
It's people like Pat Robertson who give anyone even remotely related to Christianity a bad name. With people like him running around, no wonder atheists feel the way they do.

I truly believe that one day Mr. Robertson will come face to face with his maker, and on that day EITHER Mr. Robertson's shame and sorrow for his actions and lies against God will strike him as though with many lashes so that he falls upon his face begging forgiveness in the sight of the Lord, OR the cesspool of hate that he's built up within himself will consume him so that he hates even his maker. If it is the first, he may be allowed to enter the Kingdom (new earth) - such a man could never wear the crown of Heaven. If it is the latter, then his soul would suffer even in paradise and he will be obliterated, destroyed, never to be heard from or seen again.

I can tell you one thing. It's a good thing it's not for me to judge him.
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inspireyourspiritposted 15 years ago
I really get tired of hearing about religious figures blaming innocent people for terrible tragedies! Every time I hear something like that it makes me feel like someone like, Pat Robertson, is using the tragedy to breed fear into his followers. You better do what I say or look at the consequences. It's using Faith to gain power over people and it's disappointing.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Some religious people like to point a finger and say "I told you so"
  They use anything negative to say "this is because you are not of my religion"
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  SparklingJewelposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree that him directly sounding as if he is blaming the victims is not a loving thing to do...there really is a degree of truth in what some spiritual people say, they just don't know how and when to express it correctly in love and compassion...I just made that mistake myself on another thread.
  
  There are universal laws that run the universe. when those laws aren't followed..."s..." hits the fan. and it is always the innocents that get caught in the fray of chaos from the choices that others make...love and compassion are the answers, but so are courage and intelligence along with that love and compassion required in making right choices, so that innocents don't get hurt...greed and power are always creators of victims.
  
  I read what he was saying as being about the choices that those in charge made...and it is never just about the people just in that area of the earth (that was Robertson's untruth about the situation)...it is the bad choices many around the world make that create an energy on the earth that causes it to have earthquakes
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Some non religious people also simply do not understand how people like Pat Robertson think and believe.
  
  I believe that when he spoke about Haiti and voodoo, he was being politically incorrect in the extreme in the current society, but he was expressing what he thought was the reason, I would guess because like all of us he was sitting there watching devastation on screen and saying 'WHY'.
  
  His mind, coming from a biblical fundamentalist Christian background, would look at it from a biblical perspective.
  
  He would KNOW (in his opinion)that God controls everything in creation, and had to have authorised or approved this action, he would know that because he would have read in scripture where God changed the length of a day to suit His purpose, held back the Red Sea to assist His people, and cause many other things to happen that illustrated that God controls ALL THINGS.
  
  Knowing that, he would not waste time lamenting this as a random event, for if it is a random event, he would know that God was not actually in control 100%, for if a random event can happen, then the forces that made that happen are in control, not God.
  
  For Pat Robertson and every Christian believer who knows and understands their bible, this is an impossibility, certainly not one that can be contemplated willingly.
  
  But for secular humanists, this is a Godsend (excuse the irony)for it allows them, if only they can demand and shout loud enough that this was a random event; to say God does not control all things.
  
  Therefore, God does not exist.
  
  If one takes this view, then an inconvenient God, who does control everything, becomes inconsequential in the future, and the nirvana (sorry another religious piece of irony) exists for atheists here on earth, for as long as they live.
  
  But if we accept that premise, then EVERYTHING is purely random, and in fact CHAOS is our God, and there is nothing to say that anything you hold dear is secure or protected, and anything that may happen can happen.
  
  You live on totally shifting sand, once you believe that NOTHING actually controls things, everything is just random, nothing causes things to happen, they just do at random.
  
  So Pat Robertson expressed the only opinion he had available to him from the evidence presented.
  
  Any fundamentalist Christian would see the evidence of voodoo, the turning from God, the appointing of voodoo as the official state religion, the corruption in government and all the other things that combined made this the worse place on earth to be born, and have no doubt in their mind that God had taken His hand of the place, and that Satan had wreaked destruction, killing (it now seems possible) 200,000 people at least.
  
  The secular argument would be "But why would Satan kill and destroy his own territory" ..... the reality is that Satan is a murderer of opportunity, besides there are many other nations and states that are removing God as the place of authority, and opting for secular government without God, so Satan will not be short of places and people to destroy in the future, and his aim is to destroy those he may, before God decides that time is up, and wraps the whole show up for humanity.
  
  I expect to get flak on these forums; I'm not politically correct either.
  
  I'm telling folk what the bible they cannot or will not read states, and that's just not acceptable in our secular society, where token lip-service to God is barely permitted, but may be condoned for as long as nothing scriptural is shown or presented, and any talk about religion is kept passive and conciliatory.
  
  Sorry, that's not me, but thankfully I'm not here to win friends or have zillions of 'followers' 'cos I'm such a cool guy.
  
  Anyhow, now the good news, I'm busy from tonight for one week, so you will not have me posting anything that inconveniently does not fit in with your agendas.... have fun.
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  Friendlywordposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'll say it again for the learning disabled(You!) There is a large fault under Haiti that has been there before man was on this earth. What happened in Haiti has nothing to do with People Good or Evil. Of course facts are an inconvenience for truly evil people that spew their hate and use Gods word to do it. DISCUSTING does not fit the type of human beings saying things so evil and hurtful about innocent victims.
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  The Paulposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Killing the demon you call a god would be the highest calling any human being could ever aspire to if the damn thing actually existed.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This is not a biblical perspective. Anytime anyone wants to prove it they point to scripture before Noah's Flood. Before the promise.
  If God controls all things that would mean God throws babies into swimming pools to drown. It is actually a negligent parent. They just blame it on God. To say God controls this is to say there is no God, not the other way around. I know Scripture.
  God is not a dictator. When mankind said he can live without God..
  So be it...
  Since there are chaotic random acts of nature..this is why we have to raise our consciousness so we can control nature..But this would be Voodoo to Christians.
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TizPogoposted 15 years ago
This is just another example of someone who calls himself Christian but makes no attempt to be a follower of Christ. "Get it right or God is gonna gitcha." Sad and absolutely unChristian comment.
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ddsurfscaposted 15 years ago
If you follow good ol' Pat and his history of his preaching, you will see that he is a constant in his own way of thinking.
This does not suprise me at all. If God did things to people like earthquakes because they deserve them, why is he still talking at all?
Pat Roberts is a self serving, self rightous, big mouth egotist who only has the ability to speak on tv and be heard my millions, because of his huge following of idiots who fund him.
Shame on him, may he be forgiven for being an idiot.
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So all you need is to find millions of idiots yourself then you could be on TV speaking to millions.
  
  Millions of idiots?
  
  Those millions of idiots are the solid backbone of your country who hold the whole thing together and allow other folk to hold views that are scornful and insulting to those millions of idiots.
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  SparklingJewelposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  all sides have things to learn...do we not?
  WE all need to be looking at those things for sure, especially now, when it seems to be coming to a points of conclusion. all sides need to stop thinking they are totally right and the other is totally wrong....we need to find our common ground and beleifs to hold things together
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
I will not miss your judgemental disgusting reliance on someone else's words to talk down to the world.
This post is sickening in it's gutless "god did it because they are sinners."
To see a natural disaster as caused by sin is probably the stupidest end of the mad religious spectrum.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Craziness at its best, in lack for another more harsh offensive word.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi there!
  You're not still done with The Paul?
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe I will have to go look at the posts again.
  Good morning tantrum!
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi earnest!
  This is very funny !
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah! now I am up to date! Got a bit confused there, someone must have held up more than one finger, or I'm not awake yet!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hello Tantrum.
  Well, I am done with him now. Just had to reply to his comment one last time.
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  SparklingJewelposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  and that exactly is the answer...his perspective is not the total truth, neither is yours...there is so much more involved in each and every situation
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Hikikomoriposted 15 years ago
Pat Robertson has an entire Wikipedia page dedicated to his controversies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Robert … troversies

The guy's a nut. Don't take him seriously.
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  cosetteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i don't think anyone does, for the most part, except a few of his devoted followers. he is becoming that old guy you see on a park bench mumbling to himself...
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I wish I could agree with you but I think there are thousands and thousands of people who take Robertson very seriously, believe whatever he says and do whatever he says without questioning anything.
  
  And that thought should frighten everyone.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Hate is hate, blame is blame, crazy religionists propagate both.
There is no excuse, not one for this disgusting view of other people.

You're sky fairy had nothing to do with any of it OK?
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  Valerie Fposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And you're a hypocrite again for propogating blame and hatred of religious people. If you didn't you wouldn't refer to that which is most sacred to us in such insulting terms.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But he thinks he's very profound.
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  Friendlywordposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Dont lose sight of What he is saying. He has a right to believe or not to believe. His comment was related to that horrible statement made by that animal Pat Robertson!
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Valerie, why would you call me a hypocrite. I have said nothing that is hypocritical, I am relating to that piece of human excrement Robertson as stated. Or do you agree with him?
  That would be very disappointing. I do not believe Robertson has thought about what he said, he just ran off at the mouth without any consideration for the Haitians who are still being rescued as I write. If people listened to this lunatic, these people would still be buried!
  I do not understand how anyone could be more concerned with defending their beliefs than saving lives.
  I suppose they believe the only ones who survive will be christians?
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How does this make him a hypocrite?
  He doesn't claim to be something he isn't.
  Why can't he be angry over what Pat said?
  Pat is the hypocrite.
  If you are a Christian and think Pat is justified what does that say about you?
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you Deborah, honest and even handed of you to say this, I appreciate it.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, you're not so bad.
  You're welcome but I just told the truth the way I see it.
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mikelongposted 15 years ago
There is one thing that I can say about Protestant Christianity specifically that causes so much trouble...

Anyone can preach/build a church......make money

Tax free

I can take a ridiculous test and gain the title of my choosing and then just run out and market to people.....

Officially ordained or or not....religion can enable people to elevate over others and profit from it in all kinds of ways...

I believe that all churches and religious corporations need to have their non-profit status' revoked....

In Mexico, or Spanish colonial territories overall...it was the demand for the removal of the "fuero" that caused so much conflict and turmoil.....

Regardless....Down with the Fuero!!
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ddsurfscaposted 15 years ago
Let me rephrase my response earlier. What I meant is that Pat Roberston is a mouth that is attached to a man who does not think before he gives his mouth permission to run.
My apologies to refering to the millions of idiots, when actually it is a pack of rich mislead that fund him. Those that feel he is a prophet or he knows what he is talking about, need to study or research some of his sermons and see for themselves that he cannot be reading the same bible as we have.
He is very judgemental, and that is certainly not something we should practise. Judge not lest you yourself be judged. There is no man on this earth that is better than another. Jesus himself was hung with two theives, and he equalled himself with them. so who is pat roberts to say this?
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cosetteposted 15 years ago
on second thought, you may be right about that. scary indeed...
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A few more quotes from Pat:
  
  "We have enough votes to run the country. And when the people say, 'We've had enough,' we are going to take over."
  
  -- Pat Robertson, speech given to the April, 1980 "Washington for Jesus" rally, quoted from Robert Boston, The Most Dangerous Man in America, p. 29
  
  "We at the Christian Coalition are raising an army who cares. We are training people to be effective -- to be elected to school boards, to city councils, to state legislatures, and to key positions in political parties.... By the end of this decade, if we work and give and organize and train, THE CHRISTIAN COALITION WILL BE THE MOST POWERFUL POLITICAL ORGANIZATION IN AMERICA."
  
  -- Pat Robertson, in a fundraising letter, July 4, 1991
  
  That sort of talk reminds me of the old Pinky and The Brain cartoons (which probably no one other than me watched or remembers):
  
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I love this! Pinky and the brain it is!
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  The Paulposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You oughtn't be too afraid of these people. They are frightening and dangerous, sure, but don't forget they'll kill each other over differences in doctrine.
  
  If all Christians actually served a single god in practice, they'd have instituted a theocracy long ago. But they don't. All the really vocal ones worship their own egos, you can see it in how excited they get about Hell. They want you to burn forever for the sin of daring to disagree with them.
  
  That sort of attitude doesn't lend nicely to playing with others. Christianity at large doesn't really want to get rid of separation of church and state because the individual sects can't be garaunteed they'll be the ones forcing their religion on everyone else.
  
  As long as they don't all unite under a single charismatic dictator we're okay.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Fortunately religions are unlikely to unite under one person. The ego you mention, and the glee about hell and punishment is always ego based, so anyone who disagrees even slightly with an individual hater will be seen as doing "the devil's work"

I feel confident religion will just disappear up it's own ornamental orifice in time.
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  kneed2knowposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  religion will never disappear until the end of this world. but people will turn from the one true GOD (yhwh) to their own gods preached by their own teachers with what they want to hear about being spoken from the pulpit...how to get what they want , when they want it .... now now now..me..me...me... it usually takes something like haiti to make us stop and thank GOD for our blessings & to help those in need ,but why only help when times our bad & people are hurting. we are taking GOD out of our lives ,out of schools, buildings,.but boy can we teach on birth control, fornication, std.... safe sex the very things GOD hates so yes GOD disappears but religion lives on
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Who is YHWH?
  If you mean Yehweh that is a mistransliteration. So is Jehovah..
  If you mean IHVH OK then
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  kneed2knowposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  YHWH or YAHWEH is (GODS) name .the name he gave to moses on mt sinai.it is the name used by the hebrew people & the name was passed down from high priest to high priest. the name of JESUS in hebrew is YAHUSHUA., our savior.when translations of the bible came about from the aramic lanaguage that jesus spoke to hebrew into the greek lanaguage many words were hard to translate from the lanaguage.into the greekwords . to fully understand the bible we must trace the roots of the jewish people to fully understand Jesus and his early church tradition, customs etc. with out this we fall short of their mindset of those days. i am still learning ....
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know Hebrew and I am married to a Jewish Rabbi. Yehweh is not used by true Jews. It is a mis-transliteration so is Jahovah
  of IHVH..Yood Hei Vav Hei is Gods unspeakable name.
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  kneed2knowposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  deborah sexton,
  in reply to your statements on GODS name, it is also yood-hey-waw-hey. yhwh.it is tetragammaton.
  
  in your question "if i am of GOD where is my love".you saw my love. it is in GOD & his son jesus not on the evil practices of this world that belongs to satan. GOD hates sin.... all sin..that includes voodoo, witchcraft,casting spells ,meduim practices, talking to the dead, none of this is of GOD. with your religious background being hebrew/married to a rabbi you should know what GOD hates. see (deut.18:10-12)(lev.20:6 & 20:27) (ez.13:18-20) (acts 19:19)new converts burned all their witchcraft books.(rev.9:21 & 22:15) warns all of ultimate punishment.
  
  in ( 2kings 9:22 ) queen jezebel practiced witchcraft,bring catastrophe on herself & all israel.god also turned from king saul when he consulted a sorcerer
  to call on samuels spirit from the dead.
  
  pat robertson remark that he made,
  
  does line up with the bible ( if you believe in the bible)about such practices.while haiti may be 95% catholic the vast majority still practice voodoo with this also. it became the state religion in april 2003.check it out on (bbc news april 30,2003. it was report on the news.
  
  those who simply tolerate or approve of these things with an open-mindedness will be held just as accountable as those who actually do them.(romans 1:18- & 26,27,32.
  
  also see(1 john 2:15-17) & ( 2 tim.4:3-4). i will put my faith,, in GOD , not the world...
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'll say that if you knew Hebrew you would know many things have been translated wrong.
  Though Vav can be Waw..Jews do not pronounce God's name Jehovah or Yehweh..If you don't believe me..look up a Hebrew website and find out.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Hebrew alphabet has no I,J or W. The V as in YHVH can be exchanged with a B, so Bet or Yod. There is no J or J sound. The Letters of God's name YHVH was mis-transliterated and Called Yehweh and Jehovah..Not two separate names. The same name using two different wrong spellings.
  Jews never spoke Gods name. There were no vowels at the time. So names were spoken as the letters in the alphabet. YHVH was Yod He Vav He
  For the true Transliteration of YHVH go here http://www.childrenofyah.org/heavenly_f … e_name.htm
  and scroll to the 7th section and start reading.
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  kneed2knowposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  deborah,
  i never said that i was totally versed in hebrew customs or the lanaguage but that i was still learning . i got some good infor from your website.thank you for that. at no time will i pass up the chance to learn something new if it be the truth..
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good for you. An open mind is a true gift. Please read the info I gave you in my post above.
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  The Paulposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Religious people like to ask what's the harm in believing.
  
  You have demonstrated one of religion's evils.
  
  Your religion leaves you so afraid of a world outside your control, of a world where things don't make sense and things don't always play out fair, that you need to justify reasons why the victims of disaster deserve it.
  
  It's disgusting, it's offensive, and unless you're spoilin' for a fight you should probably watch where you spout this filth.
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  kneed2knowposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  the paul,
  i take it you did not like my opinion.why so much anger ?my religion is faith in GOD.so am i to take it you think voodoo practice is ok in GODS world?
  
  i may be far from perfect but i do see things differently now then before i was saved. GOD has delivered me from ugly things of which i was very ashamed of which never entered my mind as sin before then. it was just fun happy go luckie who cares kind of an attuide.so what.. by GODS grace & salvation thru christ my sins are forgiven & at times i still struggle with my sin nature but with GOD on your side you can not lose.i dont need this world or the things it has to offer me , the big houses, cars, money , closet full of clothes, what others think of me means nothing.GOD knows my needs & always supplies them. i am thankful for all i have.
  
  sin is all over the place and so few people really see it. all the sex on tv ,billboards, in our schools where prayer is not aloud but they teach on stds,safe sex, some hand out condoms to the students.teenage abortion, fornication is just the norm. oh lets not forget gay is in but not GOD.....at the schools.. we must not be unfair or say ugly things about this lifestyle. we might offend them, but its ok to offend GOD..
  
  so yes if people are being taught & are turning to the christian religion there should be changes in them also,not all at the some pace of course...from what i read the religion of voodoo is growing leaps & bounds,so i guess that means its ok to do....
  
  i sincerely hope there is a light at the end of the tunnel for the people of haiti.. that for what ever or who ever reason this has happened the outcome will be rewarded accordingly. i see their hurt & pain just as you do...
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  The Paulposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your god has never declared voodoo to be a sin. Your god does nothing, says nothing. All the better for you. With your god silent you are free to speak for him, make pronouncements of divine righteousness and guilt.
  
  Listen to you, describing how wretched the world is, letting the comparison of your relative superiority hang in the air. The Haitians wouldn't suffer so if only they were as righteous as you?
  
  Be careful of who's in earshot when you imply that sort of thing. 200,000 people is a lot, someone might have known one of 'em. I'd certainly take a swing at you in that position. I don't know anyone who'd blame somebody that did.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yet you like to try to hurt people with your words. Your hate and intolerance of others' views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from your own is as maddening and unfair as Pat's.
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  kneed2knowposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  once again you have( not in you eyes) judged me. you are not realizing i do not support all that is happening in haiti, only what they practice.and paul my GOD is not silent. he has a best seller out their . its called the BIBLE.i do not preach hate on people only bad habits & those who lead them down the path of darkness.and now i see also fighting is ok on this site also.i thought this was a place to learn ,but i may be mistaken on my part.it seems like every one is in agreement here on most things,not against anything of the world .you say i say hateful things i have not said anything like that. just on the practices...i only hope the best for all the innocent people who are suffering not destruction. i am not here to win anyones approval,as i stated before,nor will i condone things not of GOD.read on voodoo & tell me it a GOD thing. and paul violence neither is the answer. your anger is base on what because you misunderstand what i said so in your eyes fighting is the answer...
  
  i have said before i am not better than any one who searches for the truth in our creator only to draw closer..
  
  if some think my words hurt people i am sorry you have mistaken my words or maybe i didnt say them in the right order as i should have. if that is the case i must say i am sorry.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Draw closer to what ??
  what truth?
  Plese!!
  Keep your beliefs for yourself in this matter!
  They're annoying!
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  The Paulposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You're right, except for the not in my eyes part. I'm not afraid to call a spade a spade.
  
  Of course your god is silent. Have you even ever read a Bible? Assuming you have, where did it come from? Did angels deliver it to you from the clouds, or did you get it from a store run by mortals?
  
  You can trace it's history much back farther than that if you like, you'll be able to follow it's origins for thousands of years before you lose the thread of it, and all along the way there is nothing but human writers tinkers, translating, reproducing, and if you go far enough back, compiling it. No god ever appears.
  
  And you continue in exactly the same vein as all those other contributors, imposing this belief and that one of your own on the text then calling it the word of your god.
  
  A silent god that you presume to speak for.
  
  And you think your silent god excuses you for saying the Haitians brought this disaster upon themselves.
  
  I don't think you really do empathize with them. Imagine the death of a loved one. Imagine the death of several. Now imagine some self-righteous twit who says he knows God better than you do coming along and saying that if your loved ones had only been as wise and pure as he was this never would have happened.
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RealityCheck2010posted 15 years ago
Pat Robertson is a money whore, and he really just uses all the cash to go out with hookers. People, do you really believe this dude?
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
I see they are still pulling live people out of the rubble. Must all be christians eh?

There is this sickening side of human nature that has to apportion blame. It is megalomania in truth and those who espouse this tripe are typically heartless about it.
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
It seems that so many people cannot believe that bad things happen to good people.
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Valerie Fposted 15 years ago
The problem is that Pat Robertson heads his own church, and is accountable to no hierarchy, so he can utter whatever insane drivel he wants and will not be defrocked.
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Onusonusposted 15 years ago
Pat still hasn't apologized yet? SUPER EGO!!!!!!!!!!!
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RealityCheck2010posted 15 years ago
http://www.sphere.com/world/article/eld … webmaildl1

Poor people
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Cagsilposted 15 years ago
And, this thread isn't dead yet?
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  Friendlywordposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are you kidding? As of 5:54PM Eastern Standard time: People are still BURIED ALIVE in Haiti, and that animal still has not issued an apology for his sick, twisted, evil statement.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You need to chill the F**K out dude. I understand you're upset and the smileys at the end of my statement were doing what? They were laughing. Just like that. Get the point? If not, too bad.
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  Friendlywordposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ok that was one F''' too many. Let's get back to the subject. Is Wyclef Jean Haitian?
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Mark Knowlesposted 15 years ago
http://givingaid.richarddawkins.net/
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you Mark. I already gave! Bugger! I would like to have given through this means, so I guess religionists will take the credit for my contribution!
  I do not mind as long as the money gets there!
  
  All my best wishes and love to all those wonderful rescuers who have had to endure waiting for days to get set up in a situation that must be near impossible.
  They have had to go about their work, knowing that they cannot work quickly enough to save everyone who is still alive.
  I know it breaks their hearts!
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The usual politics/religionist crap. I live in France and if any nation is responsible after the US for the mess in Haiti - it is France. They are already arguing politics with the US.
  
  Makes you despair. Seriously - the French destroyed Haiti as a country - now they are claiming to be their savior. As is Bush.
  
  C***s the lot of them.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Bloody hypocrites!
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  kneed2knowposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  earnesthub.. it is not christians that you hate but GOD... granted we are none perfect for all have sinned but why keep the ball of blame rolling . try to find why he said this . it may not be as you see it. seek the truth first
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  Webmatronposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The why is easy. He's a nutbar.
  
  No blame needed. The man is mentally cracked and so are his followers.
  
  ...but this is the world we live in. Blind leading the blind.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I guess you need to put on your glasses then. Your mote is so big you might hurt other's eyeballs trying to remove their mote.
  If you are of God where is your love. Why do you see yourself higher minded than Earnest?
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
Hello everyone. Greatings from Costa Rica now. I figure I should test my net. The story is captivating. I read through some of the responces and have to give warning- this type of disaster will become very common in the years to come. It is predicted and it is unfolding. Don't blame anyone for what is about to happen to humanity, it is our own inequities that brings the end... and this, "for the wages of sin is death"

Get your heads strait now while you still have time.
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Speaking of getting ones head straightened out, did you know earthquakes have been going on for hundreds of millions of years and will continue so?
  
  Predicted my ass.
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  Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  As Q stated, these disasters have been going on for eons. This is nothing new, really. What is more important about these disasters is how those of us *didn't* have to endure them react to those who did. Since, by Christian doctrine that none of us are without sin, then I suppose none of us is really more righteous than another, and therefore, did not, indeed, bring any of this supposed "punishment" on ourselves, but rather it's a part of our lives on earth. And so then, if as a Christian attribute that we really are our brother's keeper, then perhaps we ought rethink this position of one-upness of each other, and stick together and provide some aid, comfort and compassion rather than finger-pointing, condemnation and judgment.
  
  It doesn't take a lot of brain cells to figure out that it could be any of us in the same situation as the Haitians. Thank God, or whoever you want to there are some sensible people who really do push hard to provide help on a global basis. I'd much rather be associated with them than a pack of human-haters like Pat Robertson or anyone like him.
  
  And one last thought: If I had a kid who was truly messed up big time, it doesn't matter how messed up he is, I would love him and I wouldn't cause his house to explode, give him AIDS, or put him in a fire or earthquake or anything else. That is just THE MOST BIZZARE mentality I know of.
  
  I would love this kid, worry about him at time, but let him choose his life and try to help him through the awful consequences of his choices, not judge him, cast him out, or try to kill him. How pathetic. I don't believe in such a God. It's a lie. ONE. HUGE. LIE.
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Unchained Graceposted 15 years ago
For so many years, Pat Robertson and the 700 Club maintained this image based on their longstanding television program. They tried to be the Walter Cronkite of Christianity. The trusted and respected fatherly approach which was allegedly above reproach.

That being said, there is nothing I could do to him that would exceed what he's done to himself. When the medical ship left Baltimore harbor the other night, I was there. Quite honestly?

Seeing him hanging off an anchor chain would've been to good for that lowgrade bottomfeeding hypocrite.
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Sophia10posted 15 years ago
The problem with Mr. Robertson’s belief is that there has to be an excuse outside of the Earth’s evolution. Hurricanes, floods, earthquakes…these are all natural disasters that point to the ever constant and ever changing evolution of the earth. Unfortunately for many Christians the evolution of the earth challenges the Adam and Eve story. They cannot accept Darwin’s theory of evolution, and therefore anything considered a natural disaster has to have come from God as punishment for some reason or another. To admit a belief in evolution, is then to discredit the story of Adam and Eve. Dig deeper…If the story of Adam and Eve is not true, than the concept of Original Sin holds no water. If the concept of Original Sin holds no water…Dig even deeper…Why then the need for a man to hang on a cross and save us from a sin that never existed to begin with…seems like Christianity’s foundation is sitting on its own fault line…
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  The Paulposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm going to have to interject that while for the vaguest possible definition of the term "evolution" you could consider earthquakes a part of the evolution of the earth, it has nothing to do with Darwin's theory of evolution, which is what people are usually referring to when they use the word "evolution."
  
  The "Theory of evolution" is an explanation of how biological life changes and speciates over time. It has nothing to do with geology or any sort of disaster.
  
  This kind of misunderstanding seems pretty common, and it adds fire to creationist evolution denial schemes by allowing them to comfortably attack a straw man instead of a real theory.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Scientist use the term EVOLUTION for more then Darwin's theory.
  Scientists aren't sure Darwin's theory is correct. They use it for the beginning of LIFE and the continuous upward changes (EVOLVING) of mankind and everything which exists period.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nonsense.
  
  "Scientists" do no such thing. LOL
  
  You religionists really are very, very funny.
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  The Paulposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, technically scientists do occasionally use the word "evolution" to refer to things aside from Darwin's theory, but they don't do it in writing meant for popular consumption, because they're generally aware what a loaded, contentious word it is and they don't want to make a populous already very confused as to the meaning of the term even more confused.
  
  I've seen the word used in describing things like radioactive decay and the life cycle of stars and it could be used to describe plate tectonics in the same way. Technically in these contexts the word just means "change over time," there seems to be additional implied meaning that's difficult to describe...
  
  ...but the point is that all that is totally unconnected to the meaning of "evolution" we are most familiar with.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nonsense I am not wrong.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
  "In biology, evolution is change in the genetic material of a population of organisms through successive generations. Although the changes produced in a single generation are normally small, the accumulation of these differences over time can cause substantial changes in a population, a process that can result in the emergence of new species.[1] Similarities among species suggest that all known species descended from a common ancestor (or ancestral gene pool) through this process of gradual divergence.[2]
  The basis of evolution is the passing of genes from one generation to the next. Genes are what produce an organism's inherited traits. These vary within populations, with organisms showing heritable differences (variation) in their traits. Evolution is the product of two opposing forces: processes that constantly introduce variation, and processes that make those variants become either more common or rare. New variation arises in two main ways: either from mutations in genes, or from the transfer of genes between populations and between species. New combinations of genes are also produced by genetic recombination, which can increase variation between organisms."
  On the Origin of Species brought the new theories of evolution by natural selection to a wide audience,[7] leading to the overwhelming acceptance of evolution among scientists.[8][9][10][11] In the 1930s, Darwinian natural selection was combined with Mendelian inheritance to form the modern evolutionary synthesis,[12] which connected the units of evolution (genes) and the mechanism of evolution (natural selection). This powerful explanatory and predictive theory has become the central organizing principle of modern biology, directing research and providing a unifying explanation for the diversity of life on Earth.[9][10][13]"
  From the dictionary
  evolution |ˌevəˈloō sh ən|
  noun
  1 the process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the earth.
  The idea of organic evolution was proposed by some ancient Greek thinkers but was long rejected in Europe as contrary to the literal interpretation of the Bible. Lamarck proposed a theory that organisms became transformed by their efforts to respond to the demands of their environment, but he was unable to explain a mechanism for this. Lyell demonstrated that geological deposits were the cumulative product of slow processes over vast ages. This helped Darwin toward a theory of gradual evolution over a long period by the natural selection of those varieties of an organism slightly better adapted to the environment and hence more likely to produce descendants. Combined with the later discoveries of the cellular and molecular basis of genetics, Darwin's theory of evolution has, with some modification, become the dominant unifying concept of modern biology.
  2 the gradual development of something, esp. from a simple to a more complex form
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO
  
  LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO
  
  You get lots and lots of LOLs for wonderful semantics.
  
  Did your husband give you permission to copy all that stuff that avoided this?
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What is your problem. It is exactly AS I HAVE SAID.
  KEEP MY HUSBAND OUT OF THIS. HE IS WAY TOO GOOD FOR YOU.
  
  I have my BA in Biology Science and you are laughing over nothing. You however are looking really dumb to me.
  I know you feel your life is out of your control. Poor guy. You feel you have to come here to be over others so you can feel some kind of control and usefulness. I believe in Philosophy not religion. We reach the unlimited through higher consciousness, which you may never find.
  I have nothing to say to you anymore...
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  BA in biology science?
  
  Really? Do tell.
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mikelongposted 15 years ago
The word evolution has to do with change over time...any change of any living thing over time....

It does not necessarily have to do with Darwin's specific ideas from the "Origin of Species."

Earthquakes are a part of an evolving earth...plate techtonics have and will continue to shape the globe, until the earth itself dies.....the earth is a living entity too....

if one doesn't believe this, compare Mars to Earth....one is living the other is dead.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is applied to genetics also.
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Sophia10posted 15 years ago
Sorry, perhaps I should have tried to articulate my thoughts better. First, in light of the tremendous advances scientists have made in microbiology, Darwin’s theory is losing ground. Secondly, the evolution of the earth has everything to do with both geology and life. They are not separate threads running adjacent to one another. They are one in the same. It is from the ever evolving geology of the earth that life was able to establish itself. All life, and therefore humanity itself, evolved due to the continuous process of the earth’s evolution. And it is still ever changing, hence earthquakes, hurricanes, flooding, etc... Knowing that these changes are nothing more than natural disasters of an ever evolving earth, and not the wrath of God, is to believe in that evolution, and not the literal word of the Bible. You cannot say the earthquake in San Francisco was just the earth changing, and then turn around and label the one in Haiti as a direct slap from God. It does not work both ways. Mr. Robertson might find a little more grace and tolerance in his heart if he believed in the way the earth works, instead of believing in a Zeus like figure sitting on a throne in heaven shooting lightning bolts down at people whom he considers are wicked in their ways.
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mikelongposted 15 years ago
To begin with, Darwin's theories specifically had to do with the cnanges that occur in living creatures over time depending on their physical environments, defensive means, and the availability of food/reproductive means....

And he pointed to the Galapagos finch population as an example, but everywhere one looks in the living world this same pattern is seen...nothing has refuted this pattern of change...

But we deviate from this forum's purpose....

I want, actually to deviate on one further point...please bear with me...

All of us are here today...we are right here reading and writing...not realizing, or perhaps maybe, that we are priviledged people.... Billions cannot write or read....will have no access to computers (not that this is a bad thing necessarily), but overall they will go unknown to us, unheard...every day of their lives...

We hear of the Ogoni...we discuss the plight of Hatians, we thing of Tsunami victims.......when we are told about them in our priviledged places...using "spare time" to think for ourselves and communicate instantaniously internationally..

To my point, and back on subject...

I think that a new type of theme park should be created...

People in our priviledged places do not see the "humanity" that the vast majority of others in the world put up with....

How many here have lived on a plantation? How many here have been beaten until they cannot move????

I've had my share of a-- kickings, but who hear has faced real poverty..hunger....the sense of hopelessness that comes with the aftermath of most colonial societies.....

Disney-automated-type beings can be put out..so not to hurt anyone and still be able to dish ot the experience right in front of everyone...kids and all...... they can participate in some ways....

individuals can be paired up with their own automoton, who will be similar in size/age ratio to them (and gender)....the person will have to work...have to deal with whatever food, verbal and mental abuse goes on....but when physical abuse...(beatings, rape, hands/limbs broken/cut-off...brandings....this would all happen to their little mechanized buddy....will people try to run away?? they will be able to, and they will be hunted down...

families will be split up, the can be bought and sold within the larger theme park setting....auctions...public humiliations........fun fun fun

I really would like people to visualize what I see when I say this, and not just make some other idea up...

I recommend reading (not sparksnotes please) "Celia: a slave", "my folks don't want me to talk about slavery", "Child in the Dark", "Deep Woods to Civilization: Chapters in the Autobiography of an Indian", "The Brick People".....and there are so many more that I cannot think of right now...

Watch "Rosewood".......learn about Jim Crow....the "Sleepy Lagoon Murder"...look at the Zoot Suit Riots...

Then let us discuss mr Pat Robertson...and whether or not he needs to permanently banish himself from all media interaction....

He should be made to volunteer his "hard earned" money to the construction of this theme park, and be among the first participants...(think of it..it can all be televised as well)
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  Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Or, Pat Robertson's assets should be frozen and he be forced to work in labor camps to serve the people he so vehemently judged, while all his funds are put to use to "save" the unsavable people he so harshly judges.
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caravalhophotoposted 15 years ago
Pat Robertson is an ASS and to blame people for a natural disaster speaks volumes about him. Instead of putting any energy into Pat Robertson...the energy should go to helping the people of Haiti.
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The Paulposted 15 years ago
Pat Roberson is simply a madman.

There's no point in fantasizing about torturing him or destroying his wealth or any other sorts of vengeance. He's insane.

In this particular instance he was able to prey on certain prejudices and beliefs and rally people to the idea that this disaster was somehow deserved or self-inflicted.

Unlike many Americans he's also the sort who after 9/11 could be found saying it's something America brought on itself for allowing people to be gay, or some other such nonsense. In that case however, there was no chorus of voices saying "Yeah, fair enough, we had that one coming," even though in that case it was technically possible and in the case of Haiti it isn't.

In either case, I don't think Pat Robertson really understands that there's a world out there. That people lived on in agony for hours or days after their bodies were broken in ways that could never be repaired, that their families bent every waking moment to searching and praying and hoping they would be able to see their loved ones again and it was not enough. And that this happened thousands of times.

From where he stands it's all just a contest to prove who's right. "Yes they deserved it. Yes, let's show our moral superiority by offering aid even though they don't deserve it." It's just the next round in the game, another point to be scored. The human factor doesn't seem to register at all. He knows the statistics for how many people died, probably, but I don't think he can even attempt to imagine what it actually means.

Not even so much because he wants to ignore it as because something in his head is broken. Like a psychopath, his ability to connect to his fellow beings is dramatically deficient.

I think Pat Robertson says these things because he's literally, really insane or mentally disabled.

But I don't think everyone who defends him or shares his views has the same excuse.
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Deborah Sextonposted 15 years ago
For anyone wishing to research, biology science, genetics, and evolution you can learn a few things here.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/searc … mit=submit
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A person wielding a BA in biology would know the difference between a pop sci site and a legitimate one.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I gave the first one I could find. There are many truths written there. My text books have some of the same information.
  I don't need to prove who I am to you or anyone. It doesn't change who I am.
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  True. You can make up anything you want and not have to support it.
  
  For example, I'm the President of Mexico.
  
  See how easy it is.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I've had it posted on my profile since I started here. I didn't know I would run into you guys. I've been here 2 months and two weeks. I didn't get on the forums till one month ago.
  How am I suppose to support it?
  
  And please tell me, what do you think is a BA?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You have to scan your CV, your degrees, your diploma and send it to Q via mail, and with your good conduct file attached.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I could do all this Tantrum..But he would just say I got them off the computer and put my name on them..
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  Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your points are always strong and valid, Deborah. Trying to provide stronger evidence can be counter productive on people who have already decided. It's pretty evident to many of us who you are and we are glad you're here. (For what it's worth.)
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Awww, you're so sweet Daniel, Thank you. and you are very right. No one will believe me if they don't want to. I truly don't care what he thinks..but I guess I like to have the last word at times..mostly when someone is being so rude. sorry..rambling...
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  and I was joking of course !
  
  Just laughing a little bit. Not at you, but with you
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  h.a.borcichposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Deborah,
  You do not have to do anything to prove who you are. There are hubbers here (without any hubs) who only roam the forums being bitter and cynical, attacking anyone who has a thought different than theirs. Don't let it get you. Just ignore it and be who you are Holly
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Deborah Sextonposted 15 years ago
BA=Bachelor of Arts in Biology Science
BA provides greater flexibility than the BS like getting my R.N.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have a BS in religion myself.
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Wingriderposted 15 years ago
Hey Mark ,
I see you're still making new friends!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh yes.....
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Wingriderposted 15 years ago
And just in case anyone was wondering ,, yes I am celebrating the re birth of the Vodka God,, and since it seems to be unclear to the exact date i may have to celebrate again tomorrow as well.
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Wingriderposted 15 years ago
I just pray I don't start speaking in tongue as the Vodka God can be rude.. surprising though his English seems to be quite well.
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Wingriderposted 15 years ago
I would write something sensible on here ,, but since no one else is I really don't see the point.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think it is possible to say anything sensible about this subject. I liked your hub about touring bikes though.
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