Can a man who has sinned against man and God be forgiven

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   theirishobserver.posted 13 years ago

   Often today the media is full of banner headlines about someone or other who has been convicted of a serious crime....can a man who has sinned against man and God be forgiven?

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      tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Forgiven by whom?

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      mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, he will have to burn way his negative karmas in order to be totally forgiven.

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      Farm-Fresh-Foodsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Matthew 12:31 tells us:                                     "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men". So, even the most heinous of crimes are forgivable.

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      sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Why do you want to know? Are you looking to pick a fight?

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   Cagsilposted 13 years ago

   Oh, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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   Shadesbreathposted 13 years ago

   Nope.  Doomed to burn for all eternity.  There is no forgiveness, only the wrath of the Almighty and the agony of penance for all eternity.

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   Justine76posted 13 years ago

   according to the religion I was raised in, there is only one sin that can not be forgiven, and thats to sin agianst the holy spirit. But nobody ever would tell me what that means.

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      mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Abusing or mocking god or a god man.

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         Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         honest question...how do you abuse god? and what is a god man?

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            mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            By mocking him, a saint or enlightened one working for god is a god man.

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               Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Oh, ok. So, what about someone who honestly doesnt know any better. They mock god, but then find out its wrong and they are real sorry, and never do it again? Like..Saul/Paul....

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                  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Hey Justine, didn't you know, there isn't anyone who doesn't know any better. All humankind is sinners(evil) and the bible states that if it is your choice not to believe what it says, so no one can claim to not know any better.

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                     Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     There are people who havent read the Bible. I actually was raised in a very very strict, religious household. I have read the bible front to back at least 5 times. But not a whole lot actually got explained, mostly it was all..your going to die for thinking anything...I apprecaite people who take the time to genuinely answer questions.

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                  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  It depends on the 'Church'. There are too many.

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                     Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     luv ya Tantrum!!!

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                        tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        hi Justine ! Love ya too !!

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                           Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           hee... 

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                  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  No problem in that case,its the intention which matters,I was an atheist as well.
                  By correcting the situation you change everything.

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                     Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     see, thats sort of what I always thought the Bible was saying. any willfull, intentional, sin could be unforgivable. But any sin, when genuine forgiveness is asked for, and true repentance is shown, can be forgiven. I think. According to my parents tho, my chances of forgivness are long gone..soo...
                     anyway, thanks Mo. I think Im out of here now, before the fire works start. 

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                        mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Its my pleasure Justine

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      TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      It's my understanding that to sin against the Holy spirit means to accept and be filled with the Holy Spirit and then at some point later to turn away from it, or repudiate it. It's like knowing that God is there and then denying him.

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      Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      it is to say that the Spirit is false AKA He does not exist.

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         Farm-Fresh-Foodsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         What is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?
         
         
         The key to understanding this is to properly define the word blaspheme. The Greek word, here translated “blaspheme,” means “intentional indignity offered to God or sacred things.” This is important to grasp. Intent is involved.
         
         Some sins are committed because they have been carefully thought out toward a particular end. Deliberate planning has been involved,. When such willful, pre-meditated intent comes into play, one is in grave “danger of eternal damnation.”
         
         Anyone can foolishly curse or use God’s name in vain, and almost immediately be sorry about it and repent. But the unpardonable sin is when a person deliberately hardens himself against God’s Spirit, and the power and guidance of that Spirit. Usually, such people become deceived (Heb. 3:13) early in this process, but later willfully choose to continue in their actions until they destroy both their conscience and any further desire to repent.

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   SandyMcCollumposted 13 years ago

   LOL @Tantrum! It never ceases to amaze me when someone posts such questions. I'll just stand back and watch, like usual.

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      tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I will watch too !
      

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   theirishobserver.posted 13 years ago

   well I opened a hornets nest there, I think I may just have burned my fingers for the first time on the scorching Hub.....

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      Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      this hornets nest has been open for a looooong time. have you read thru any of the other religious threads?

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         Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         

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   theirishobserver.posted 13 years ago

   Justine, we were taught about the same holy spirit, but Im not sure he ever turned up for the gig in Ireland...if you know what I mean...

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   theirishobserver.posted 13 years ago

   Less of the voyuerism and join in....

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   theirishobserver.posted 13 years ago

   Justine76 as you know I am new to the Hub vibe, I am really just feeling my way round, I thought I might as well ask a couple of questions and see how it works......it has turned out to be a bit like asking a women to dance at an Irish wedding...you could end up anywhere...

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      tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Welcome to 'The Mess'

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      Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      welcome to the dance, my friend!!! Ive got a feeling your going to be fine...just dont personaly attack anyone..'k?

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    Wag The Dogposted 13 years ago

    All sin is against God, not man.  An act against man can be a crime or transgression, but, any and all sin, is against God. 
    
    Whether you believe in Him or not.

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       Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Sin is a religious term. Otherwise, it doesn't exist, if you take religion away.

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          Wag The Dogposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Just because one chooses not to believe, does not negate sin.  Sin is sin.  Just as right is right, and wrong is wrong.

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             Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Nice try to bring sin in. It's a religious terminology.
             
             Sin is EVIL by definition of the bible.
             
             Right and Wrong are MORAL Values created and defined by Man!

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             tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             
             
             Why everything is so 'funny' lately ?
             Must be the weather....

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          aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I always thought sin was missing the mark (an archery term)and we have all missed the mark at sometime.
          
          Are you telling us that you have NEVER done anything wrong?
          
          What is that called if not sin, if we do away with religion, what do you call doing something wrong against another?
          
          Just curious...
          
          John

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             tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             WRONG, BAD
             that's all.
             Why would we called it something else ?

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             Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Did I say I've never done anything wrong? Of course not.
             
             It's called "Morality", which is broken down into two separate categories, which religion doesn't define.
             
             The "SIN" describe in all religion is evil. It is applied to ALL beings, regardless of their actions.
             
             How can that be? It cannot.
             
             We, as Humans, define Morality as being the difference between Right and Wrong.
             
             Hope that helped.

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    theirishobserver.posted 13 years ago

    As someone who was brought/ dragged up Catholic here in good old Ireland....we were not allowed to read and interpret the bible oursleves...that was for the priest (God help us)as he was the mediator between man and God......knowing what we know now about some religous practitioners perhaps their interpretation was self serving....

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    theirishobserver.posted 13 years ago

    Justine76 just read your Hub - poem, very good

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    Rod Marsdenposted 13 years ago

    By God yes. By man? Maybe...

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    h.a.borcichposted 13 years ago

    Do moral wrongs generally agree with what is considered sin? Like stealing, murder, etc. It seems to me that if those reconcile that it is just semantics?
      I am asking a serious question, Cags, not an invitation to fight. Holly

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       Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Again, 'sin' is a terminology used by religion to define the existence of humans as evil.
       
       Hence, it declares all are evil.
       
       Morality is the basis for how humankind is suppose to act. Yes, murder, stealing and many other harmful actions are immoral, wrong or bad.
       
       Hope I was able to clarify.

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    theirishobserver.posted 13 years ago

    Sin, moral wrong, dont know myself thats why I asked, but can sin be simply against God, say for example a man murders another man, can that man expect to be allowed to return to his community upon release from prison because he found God while in prison........if he is not allowed to return are his neighbours then sinners....

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    theirishobserver.posted 13 years ago

    If that is the case "all people are sinners" then there is no real reason for goverments to try and justify their actions in time of war......you know the way some politicians try and justify their actions by having preachers at their side.......

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       Unchained Graceposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       The last time that was tried, it sorta backfired, though, didn't it?

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    Justine76posted 13 years ago

    religion's definiton of sin is not the same as government's defintion of crime, nor humanity's definiton of morality. And every individual human has thier own set ideas as to what is "allowed".
    
    sin, in religion, and like..Hebrew or something.....means not perfect. It does not mean evil. SO when they say all men are sinners, they mean it's because we aren't perfect..sin=to fall short of the mark..something like that..It's been a long time since I've been to Church.
    
    oh man!!what am I doing here...I msut have hit my head or something...

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    theirishobserver.posted 13 years ago

    justine76 your head is fine, sometimes we have to chat outside our comfort zones...I realy must get my act together I have made no tea this evening and so as I have said to tantrum I am going to treat myself to a Chinese and  a can of coke...the real thing...

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    theirishobserver.posted 13 years ago

    Sorry folks but I am off to the Chinese for a bite to eat.....hopefully see you all tomorrow....

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       tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       That will depend on the Chinese !
       

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    Justine76posted 13 years ago

    all this talk about eating a chinese is freaking me out....

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       Rod Marsdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I believe we are talking here about Chinese food and not actual Chinese though I could be wrong. There were once outlaws in Australia who were so desperate for food that they took to cannibalism. The story goes that they did prefer Chinese to European or Aboriginal because they felt Chinese was sweeter meat because of the rice diet of the day. Nowadays, of course, we all eat a fair amount of rice so a more contemporary cannibal would have a fair range of sweet meat to choose from. 
       
       

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    Would that be the murdering lunatic of the bible or the slightly more twisted one of the quoran?

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    Farm-Fresh-Foodsposted 13 years ago

    It would mean anyone who truly repented.
    
    To repent means to change. The repentant mind reflects a completely different, changed attitude. It has gone from the way of pleasing the self, to seeking to please God. It wants to submit to God and His way!

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    Unchained Graceposted 13 years ago

    Picture this, though. A man walks down the street in a city unfamiliar to him. He asks for directions, yet nobody will help.
    
    He tries on his own to find what he needs and walks down the wrong alley and is shot and killed. Now, there are three groups responsible.
    
    A) Those who ignored his pleas for help
    B) Those who shot and killed him
    C) In some circles, the man himself would be held responsible
    as it was he who ventured out on his own in unfamiliar territory.
    
    So, where does that leave us with the topic at hand? Ultimately, who does the forgiving and who needs the forgiveness?

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