Jesus is a good source, in the search for God.
Q. What does Jesus know?
A. He knew that the kingdom of God is found within.
The New Testament, originally written in Greek, includes many accounts of the life and ministry of Jesus and all these accounts have the same narrative. From these accounts we can assume certain things about the appearance and personality of Jesus. He had been a carpenter from the time he was young, working with his father, so must have had a good physique. He was not a Roman, (who wore their hair short,) so he had long hair and a beard, but the custom of the day was for men to keep their hair and beards trimmed and neat, (so he probably wasn't scraggly haired as many pictures show.) He was a very kind person who stood up for children. At a wedding party he turned water into wine so that people could continue celebrating!! It seemed He did not stand out in a crowd, so he probably had a pretty low-key demeanor. He did not have the stress of owning a home and holding a job as he relied on the generosity of neighbors and strangers to share their homes. He and his disciples would stay for a couple days and then move on. He must have been pleasing to be around.
He had a mission to change the ways and minds of the people and especially of the Jewish religious leaders of the synagogues who had become hypocritical, egotistic fakers, but He was not a faker. He could actually bring souls back into their bodies after their hearts had stopped. He could heal people of many infirmities, including blindness, and he knew the motives of people through intuition. He taught his disciples advanced Yoga techniques such as stopping the heart and meditating by focusing with body, heart, mind and soul on God, in order to achieve liberation through oneness with the force of (causal) God.
The times were bad. People were doing horrible things such as watching bloody violent games in the Coliseum. He brought a message of love. Yet they killed him, so afraid that he would become king of the land. He was only talking about heaven. HEAVEN.
And in the end, there he was hanging on the cross, with nails hammered into his hands and feet, asking God to forgive his persecutors for their ignorance. That had been His mission and he fulfilled it. How did he do it ... we, being identified with human consciousness, just can't figure that out. God had said he would never wipe out mankind with a flood again. Instead, He decided to forgive us and guide us through Jesus. This act of forgiveness proves God loves us unconditionally forever and ever. He gives us freewill to guide. He gives us boundaries. He gives us inspiration, hope and faith.
Jesus' birth had been prophesied 400 years beforehand. We do not know the exact time and day of His birth, yet the wise-men knew the astrological facts and location of his birth and they arrived with gifts after traveling through the desert.
And after he died, he got up and pushed the stone away from the opening of the tomb where he had been laid to rest.
You can't make that stuff up once, let alone four times as we read in the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
The Way I See itI am a child of God. I like to read about Jesus. I am amazed by Him. I have a tendency to believe Jesus is magical. I like to believe it and this belief has helped me in many tangible ways.
Even the world recognizes children of God. It is our love, the first and only love apparent without a word spoken "he who knows my commandments and keeps them is he ho loves me; and he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I shall love him and revealed myself to him " (Wow!)
Those who live with me, work with me, drive on the highway around me... well, JESUS the living Word revealed in the life of a "believer" - obviously can't be hidden.Well it is - was for me easy choice to "RECEIVE" the living Word because it is DONE BY GOD-The Father Himself "But to as many as did receive and welcome Him, He gave the authority [power, privilege, right] to become the children of God, that is those who believe in-- adhere to, trust in and rely on His name" ! Life is in the Spirit of God is highest privilege to be alive, to work, love and be blessed...
Why do you like to read about Jesus? Is that necessary to believe in God?
Yet, after reading that only a few people ever seek to follow his command to forsake all things of the world and follow his example. Because I have followed his example and teachings, I have discovered not only is god within me but in everything, animal, plant, grain of sand, rock mineral or any other physical manifestation.
I have been the instrument in healing some minor disorders as proof to me that I was indeed following a similar path to "self-integration" of all facets of my being for becoming an advanced "son of man" with "man" being the same as god.Yeah, "the same as god" (never as God) - just a little bit lover... Our human ability is limited .
Your sight is too short. Via reincarnation every piece of the ENDLESS life-force of existence will have the opportunity to become existence-as-a-whole's life-force. The section that's now the life-force of existence-as-a-whole will discarnate for another will replace it as it goes into the most possible absolute level of ignorance in order to begin again through the learning cycle. There is no beginning nor end to repeating the cycle of reincarnation.
I have e a couple of hubs talking about those cycles if you want to see how I have said it.Following these two of your judgmental diagnosis: “You don't see ..” ; “Your sight is too short” ,my further conversation with you is deliberately put on hold . Thanks. It was nice meeting you.
You are welcome although you didn't meet me.
If there is one error in the Bible, the bible is false.
To complement your assessment look at Isaiah 45:7; it say there is no good nor evil in existence so everything is false.
Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I, the Lord, do all these things."
I don't read it the same way you do. Without reading before and after verse 7, I read that
Someone made light and darkness (Who could do that?)
I make peace (if we want to, I suppose we all can make peace)
and create evil (the operative word is "create" - from nothing)
the Lord (who is the Lord)
do all things (who is able to do all things)you read it as I do but but you only "surface reasoned" with the words. If you began at the "top" of it and go through to the "bottom" of it you should find the "understanding":
"(god) formed the light, and created darkness; (god) made peace, and created evil; I, (god), do [present tense meaning always is doing] all these things." In turn that's saying god is doing everything ever done through us. That is how the one called christ was able to say " I and my Father are one" and when we come into that level of understanding we will say the SAME.
The reason I wrote the Scripture out is because your comment about "everything is false" is not what that passage says. God created everything. That is important to get from the passage. He is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth. John 4:24
People can believe what they want because we have free will. And there is a large body of diverging view. The point is, "Is it truth?" How do you KNOW it is true?When one understand "word definitions" rather than "word usage" as taught in today's schooling ["preparing man-en-mass to follow external leaders"] system THAT IS TRUTH THAT "MAKES" one free and becoming free is how one knows it is true.
So many people view Jesus within the religious or their particular religious purview. However, Jesus preached self-actualization & spiritual awareness.
Hi hx!
I'm ama pre-tribber. It would be interesting to have a discussion on pre-trib, mid-trib and post-trib.
I am lost as an Easter egg on Atlantis.Sure, I'd be glad to discuss the timing of the rapture - you choose the means. I don't know anything about Atlantis.
Never mind, I got the Easter egg reference now......
Easter egg is my favorite thing to say!
I will start a forum and let you know.
I will also post this on the link, Diane.
I am a post-triber because of comprehending the prophecies, look at this and see if I err.
The christ said "he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved" and in "the 10 virgins" parable half survive and half doesn't. Take that to Revelation 16:14-16 where we find "the battle of that great day of God Almighty" as the actual tribulation and after that we have "Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame; And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon." Put together we get ...
"The saved" will survive the tribulation said clear and without needing any interpretation. The "10 virgins", I interpret as 10% of the end time population, parable we see half are shut out of Armageddon which, in understanding the "to gather them to" before naming the battle, suggests it happens after shutting up Armageddon.
Paul said "the dead in Christ shall rise first" meaning before the rapture while Rev. 6:9-12 tells us they are already discarnated because in Rev. 14:13 we are told "Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth" therefore some has to discarnate during "the battle of ... god almighty," the 5 foolish virgins. After the battle Armageddon's 5% gives birth to Rev 6's "dead in christ" (DIC) for a thousand years and together they give birth to "the rest of the dead" per Rev. 20:4-5. The rapture begin as the population increases for the "new heaven and earth" (Rev 21) with spiritual man they and the christ called Jesus will call them one at a time, the paymaster parable (Mat. 16:1-16), until only the second christ is left as the Alpha and Omega.
Can you find a better explanation?
How do you know there is a Jesus? What about Mohammed? What about the Dali Lama? What is the point of needing to read about Jesus?
Of course, there is a Jesus. There is historical evidence that there was a Jesus. There is also a Mohammed, Buddha, & other advanced souls who walked the earth. The Dalai Lama is also another advanced soul who walks the earth. One needs to know as much about advanced spiritual souls as possible. According to the late Dr. David Hawkins, Ph.D., M.D. Jesus' consciousness calibration was 1000, which is the highest consciousness level recorded. Dr. Hawkins have written many books on the subject of calibration & consciousness which includes Jesus. You can find such books on amazon.com.
There is documented prooft of Jesus and the history of Him coming to earth and dwelling among men is told from the perspective of different people in the BIble.
Actual history, GMW, as far as I have found only have two references, one was by a Roman emperor and I don't remember the other, of anyone named Jesus and called christ and they MAY HAVE BEEN because of "the Nicene Council of the CE year 325". The very word Jesus as a name only appears in Spanish and pronounced "hey seus" which, more than likely, also came about because of the Nicene Council. In searching I have never found an origin of it until I found "Je" and "Seis" in French meaning "Je = I" and "Seis = am" I also believe the Council deliberately used because he is "the son" and that name is also god's name of "I AM THAT I AM" which the "holy ghost" will have "common" in his name.
Where can I find more than the two I mentioned?
… who said you NEED to? You don't need to. However, it does seem to be that when the student is ready the teacher appears.
Its all about will. God gives us freewill to guide. He gave commandments because following them will keep us safe and in touch with our Selves/souls. If you just want to be an egotistic faker, have at it. When you see that doesn't work, any number of avatars and spiritual guides have been on earth. You can find any teacher or guide you want! If they are from God/Reality your soul will know and then you will be happily finding the answers to the questions you have formulated. Stay connected to Self … or not
Your Choice.
The way I See It.Ok. I was asking probing questions because I am a Christian. I can't understand why someone who does not believe that Jesus is God would find him important. Everyone that writes "spiritual or enlightening" books are writing from their own perspectives.
Differing opinions generally conflict. Where is the truth the opinions are based on. We know 1 + 1 = 2. That is fact. Beyond that, it is possible to expand and give points of view but in the final analysis, 1 + 1 = 2.
Thank you for engaging me Kathryn!Some of those perspectives are valid, one must be qualified to discern which to believe. As a matter of fact, they will be provided thew ones they need when needed, has been my experiences.
Qualifications themselves can be very subjective.
Discernment comes to "new born" people, it isn't something one do of their own volition, it comes from what is termed god.
I heartily disagree. They always in all cases make a conscious choice. If not they are drunk or stoned and in that case something is going wrong.
…. or hypnotized, which is not a conducive state toward spiritual advancement.One cannot make an unconscious choice not even a "drunk, stone or hypnotized" person.
What does it mean to be new born? What about the term god? What does that mean?
I think he's talking about "born again" Christians. He won't use the capital G God, just the small g god.
He wants to believe god is only within. No. We are a drop of the ocean of God's omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient existence.
If heaven is within, as Jesus says, then heaven is within. How can this be true? Because we are also consciousness which, if pure, is bliss/heaven.
How do we perceive/be pure consciousness? Takes desire, effort and work. In the beginning, practice, mostly.
As I believe.That's why I asked what he meant. I thought it interesting for him to speak of being born again. Your added comments make me wonder if you are speaking of the same thing? I'm trying to understand the basis for what is being said. If it is based on personal feelings, again, everyone is different.
I think what he means by "new born" is what spiritualists term "Awakening". I believe that there are levels of soul awakening, and that when a non-believer realizes and accepts that there is something bigger than himself, he or she "awakens" to that fact and is what Christians call "born again". Sometimes The0's terminology confuses me, and I can't tell whether he is speaking as a Christian or as a spiritualist or as a "Christian spiritualist." There are such people, Edgar Cayce was one.
ok. For Christians, being born again has a very specific meaning. I don't know what an Awakening is.
There is only ONE authority determining what it IS being BORN-of GOD- and it is the Work of His Spirit > All these man-pleasing terms are theological - none CREATOR- God terms which are millions of them mostly contradicting one another as well are in disagreement with the Spirit and Life.
MM,
They don't so much as contradict as what it is is few people have a vivid definition for any of them. Today's world doesn't teach definitions, as I show in almost all of my hubs, they teach word usage instead.
"Awakening" is also what "new born" means because when one began the awakening path they relinquish all attachments and judgmental adjectives in the process of returning into just "another being living ecologically."
My explanation below KLH, that:
"A tadpole has to become "born again" to become a frog, a caterpillar to butterfly and others like them. "Born again, new born and reborn" are a conscious being that changes from being what they were [as with man, mostly consciousness first then appearance (see my hub "Questions To Aid The Reborn")] and into a completely different, as I was, first is the way of thinking which causes one to then consciously "endure" the pains of accepting all things the environment produces.
If you recall the christ's words to Nicodemus began with his consciousness before he said "you must be born again".
God, as i said in another thread, is the smallest entity in existence man are able to detect, photons, which permeates and produces all manifestations, including consciousness, above it"
...is why I don't make a difference in the "g" of god.
A tadpole has to become "born again" to become a frog, a caterpillar to butterfly and others like them. "Born again, new born and reborn" are a conscious being that changes from being what they were [as with man, mostly consciousness first then appearance (see my hub "Questions To Aid The Reborn")] and into a completely different, as I was, first is the way of thinking which causes one to then consciously "endure" the pains of accepting all things the environment produces.
If you recall the christ's words to Nicodemus began with his consciousness before he said "you must be born again".
God, as i said in another thread, is the smallest entity in existence man are able to detect, photons, which permeates and produces all manifestations, including consciousness, above it.My responses are based on the Bible. Yours appear to be someone's free interpretation of what they heard rather than a deliberate study of what is written and then explaining it.
NatureBoy
A tadpole has to become "born again" to become a frog, a caterpillar to butterfly and others like them. "Born again, new born and reborn" are a conscious being that changes from being what they were [as with man, mostly consciousness first then appearance (see my hub "Questions To Aid The Reborn")] and into a completely different, as I was, first is the way of thinking which causes one to then consciously "endure" the pains of accepting all things the environment produces.
Response - reborn is not the appropriate term for the growth process.
The process that tadpoles go through is a growth process. Then, 7 to 10 days after the tadpole has hatched, it will begin to swim around and feed on algae. After about 4 weeks, the gills start getting grown over by skin, until they eventually disappear. The tadpoles get teeny tiny teeth which help them grate food turning it into soupy oxygenated particles. That is not being reborn.
Caterpillars - Within the chrysalis the old body parts of the caterpillar are undergoing a remarkable transformation, called 'metamorphosis,' to become the beautiful parts that make up the butterfly that will emerge.
Humans go through this GROWTH process from fertilized egg to adult. That's not being reborn.
NatureBoy
If you recall the christ's words to Nicodemus began with his consciousness before he said "you must be born again".
My response
I agree 100%
NatureBoy
God, as i said in another thread, is the smallest entity in existence man are able to detect, photons, which permeates and produces all manifestations, including consciousness, above it.
My response
God - smallest entity in existence of man? That is total disrespect for who God is. He is a) ominipoent, b) ominiscient, c) omnipresent, d) immutable (never changes), e) eternal (never dies), f) sovereign (over all - not the least). These are attributes he holds all by Himself. I'll I be happy to provide Bible references if needed.So are my responses Bible based. Isaiah 29:9-12 said god will teach people who leave religious dogma {milk the dogma and breast the teachers of it} and teach them how to put things together for the true revelation.
based on the foregoing, isn't the tadpole's changing into a frog a part of it's growth process? Isn't purifying your mind from good and evil "the flame of Gen. 3:24" and cutting away all attachments from the same passage to reenter the garden {Ecological living in the environment} the spiritual growth process that would require one to change from civilized living into environmental living?
A metamorphosis is a growth process as the new birth is a metamorphosis. My spiritual conception was in late 1973 and it took until August 1976 for me to become spiritually born where I obeyed Matthew 19:29 and 28:19-20 to get where I am today.
The growth process of human/woman from childhood to civilized adulthood has to be transformed to "return to the garden" to become man {mind able to comprehend all things but no gender} again per gen. 2:24.
god is all protons which is the smallest entity in every existence, atom to man and every heavenly body and that makes god everything you just said.
You need to see Isaiah 28:9-12's relationships of precepts, lines and little.
Aloha"where you >>>>>*willfully/willingly*<<<<< "obeyed Matthew 19:29 and 28:19-20 "
Matthew 28:19-20 New International Version (NIV)
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
I believe He was speaking to his chosen disciples. How can YOU "make disciples of all nations," do you propose?You may be chosen to be a teacher but you must be educated to be teacher. You must have a major. I couldn't teach calculus. I majored in business. I decided to teach and went back to college for voice and audio electronic music. 1 Peter 2:2. Desire the sincere milk of the Word that you may grow.
Kathryn, we all know that Jesus of Nazareth was trained, practicing carpenter . He took his experience into the ANOINTED performance of THE KINGDOM OF GOD here on earth. Taking random men of divers background he has been with some three years to MATHETEUO - with a purpose to make disciple actually "Disciplying" NOT teaching only) them by experience to exercise power in performing miracles in substantiation of His authority transfered to them . simply it is a process tell and show/show and tell (Matt 4:23. 24- Jesus doing; Mt.10:7.8. followers doing)-- continually , throughout of history including our generation of us believers "anyone who has faith in me will do what I am doing".. (Jesus J.14:12) Other time when He said "these signs shall follow those who believe" - they just follow... WE do what we are trained to do... and it happens on His terms. ( A while ago when we have returned from the trip of Russia, Ukraine and Europe - the people were sending letters with description what has been "following" as they were changed by the anointing of the Almighty.
peace with us.It starts with willing openness. One chooses to receive with body, heart, mind and spirit.
What I am pointing out is subtle, but of vital importance.The openness should be to the Word of God - not cherrypicking to make it comfortable for us. Jesus, the Son, participated in the creation and is present throughout the Old Testament, not as Jesus but as the Alpha and Omega, I am I am, Jehovah, Yeshua, etc. He was invisible and no one could look at Him (Moses and the burning bush). He didn't just pop up in the New Testament.
He lived a sinless life because He is God.
Those who wish to be born again must believe that He is God and we are sinnners. It is impossible for us to be sinless. He took our sins to the cross and became the sacrifical lamb for the forgiveness of our sins. The forgiveness is a gift that we get when we receive it. Many people don't believe it and reject it. It is theirs to reject because God doesn't force Himself on anyone.I don't think viewing ourselves as sinners is helpful in the slightest bit. I believe we need to see that we were perfect at birth.
I believe we need to contemplate what has happened and see clearly what has brought us to NOW.You are free to believe that if you wish.
The Bible has many, many references about our sin AND God's willingness to forgive our sins and give us eternal life.
Psalm 51:5
Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
Romans 3:23
For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God's glorious standard.
Romans 3:10 as it is written:
“None is righteous, no, not one;
GOOD NEWS!!!
Romans 5:6-8 New Living Translation (NLT)
6 When we were utterly helpless, Christ came at just the right time and died for us sinners. 7 Now, most people would not be willing to die for an upright person, though someone might perhaps be willing to die for a person who is especially good. 8 But God showed his great love for us by sending Christ to die for us while we were still sinners.
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
Kathryn wrote
I believe we need to contemplate what has happened and see clearly what has brought us to NOW.
Me
True! What has happened is
1. We were born with sin because of Adam and Eve's defiance.
2. God did not want us perish in hell
3. God sent His Son (prophesied throughout the whole Old Testament) to be the blood sacrifice for our sin. In those days, our sin required a blood sacrifice. That was the law.
4. Because Jesus died for our sins, we don't have to shed blood. We ask Him for forgiveness.
1 John 1:9 New International Version (NIV)
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all
unrighteousness.
People rationalize and want to have it their way. Although God loves us and wants use to choose Him, most people don't.
I'm writing all of this because someone may read it and want to know more about salvation in Jesus Christ.
Please consider,
dianetrotter,
Teachers of the world's order, of schools or religions, are not educators. Educate means "to bring forth from within via objective observing, participating to obtain different outcomes then reasoning with them to be able to communicate your findings to others" as Isaiah 7:14-22 reveals. Only what is called god is able to "bring it forth from within us" as schools only "instruct man to follow leaders, like a school of fish, even to their own demise".
Isaiah 28:9 say what we call god will teach it to us once we are weaned from "religious dogma" and drawn from "religious teachers" in order to obtain Peter's "sincere milk of the Word."Isaiah 28:9 is not about dogma. You must read before and after and understand what was happening during that period in history. The people were engaged in sin and were being judged
Isaiah 28:1 Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!
II. The prophet turns to Judah {Isaiah 28:7 - Isaiah 28:13}, and charges them with the same disgusting debauchery. His language is vehement in its loathing, and describes the filthy orgies of those who should have been the guides of the people with almost painful realism. Note how the words ‘reel’ and ‘stagger’ are repeated, and also the words ‘wine’ and ‘strong drink.’ We see the priests’ and prophets’ unsteady gait, and then they ‘stumble’ or fall. There they lie amid the filth, like hogs in a sty. It is very coarse language, but fine words are the Devil’s veils for coarse sins; and it is needful sometimes to call spades spades, and not to be ashamed to tell men plainly how ugly are the vices which they are not ashamed to commit. No doubt some of the drunken priests and false prophets in Jerusalem thought Isaiah extremely vulgar and indelicate, in talking about staggering teachers and tables swimming in ‘vomit.’ But he had to speak out. So deep was the corruption that the officials were tipsy even when engaged in their official duties, the prophets reeled while they were seeing visions; the judges could not sit upright even when pronouncing judgment.
God warns us to not add to or take away from what is in the Bible. This warning applies to believers. Non-believers don't believe the Bible.
You are misappropriating what is said here and treating the passage as if God were saying it as condemnation of teaching God's Word. The people were drunkards, sensuous and engaging activity unacceptable to God. Isaiah was talking to them about their disobedience.
People who really want to know about God will read, Genesis to Revelations, chapter and verse. Random, circulatory nonsense is unacceptable to God.
KLH,
Yes, my new conception happened between September and October 1973 and in April 1976 I was instructed to take a 3 week "faith mission" to find out how I would be living that I call my contractions before birth the following August 6: when I walked away from a $335 per week job, wife, apartment full of furniture, 2 cars and my wife with only 6 changes of clothes to learn olive as I do. It was not in people's houses most winters, it was under bridges, in tents, abandoned cars and houses, barns and even covered with cut hay some times, until I came to DC in 2009.dianetrotter,
Today's church is Laodicean (Rev 3:15-18) and what they teach is milk that is not for adults therefore it is "dogma" with the instructors in Christianity being the breast.
Since you are not "born again" - although you may deny it - you don't have what you call god instructing you into how to understand that prophecy. But even in your context of "Judah" {Isaiah 28:7-13}" with Gen. 49:8-12 being Judah of prophecy and the U.S.A. where you are by the interpretation of its symbols. That make the mega-churches here to be revelation's Laodicean church where the second coming of christ is to happen with his suddenly appearing in the temple [White House] (Malachi 3:1) to bring world peace (Isa. 2:2-4) for the sealing of the church (Rev. 7:1-10) who are also the "10 virgins" (Mat. 25:1-13).
If you were spiritually born you would know these things and a lots more but you are still looking back when you should be watching forward at what is happening in our day.Nature
Today's church is Laodicean (Rev 3:15-18) and what they teach is milk that is not for adults therefore it is "dogma" with the instructors in Christianity being the breast.
Diane
Again, you are not reading the Scripture in context. This church was willy nilly and went along with anything. Perhaps they though they were safe sitting on the fence (that’s what he meant “neither hot nor cold.”
Lenthy but provides context
Context – John had a vision when he was on Patmos Island. (Rev. 1)
1. Rev. 1:20 speaks of the 7 churches that were visited and ministered to by the disciples after Jesus’ Resurrection, in accordance with Matthew 28:19-20. God was assessing their Christian walk. Laodicea was a special group that was distasteful to Him. They didn’t stand for anything and went along with everything.
a. Ephesus – Son of Man found them faithful and condemning false teachers They were overcomers and granted eat from the tree of life (Rev. 2:7)
b. Smyrna – They had trials and poverty. He told them not to fear and He would give them crown of life. (Rev. 2:10)
c. Pergamum – They were faithful and persecuted. Some listened to false teachers (ahem) and God held it against them. (Rev. 2:14) He asked them to repent and told of the reward they would receive. (Rev. 2:17)
d. Thyatira – God told them that they “tolerated the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. (Rev. 2:20) He told them she was a FALSE teacher and leading people astray. He didn’t hold it against those who remained faithful. He told them they would have authority over nations if they stayed faithful. (Rev. 2:26)
e. Sardis – They had drifted away from worshipping God. He told them to “remember what you have seen and heard, and keep it and repent. (Rev. 3:3)
f. Philadelphia – They were faithful. God said He would make Satan worshippers bow down at their feet. (Rev. 3:9)
g. Laodicea – “I know your deeds that you are neither cold or hot.” (Rev. 3:15) They went whichever way the wind blew. They were flakey! He told them He would “spit them out of His mouth.”Nature wrote
Since you are not "born again" - although you may deny it - you don't have what you call god instructing you into how to understand that prophecy.
Response
Hogwash! Understand what prophecy.
Romans 10:9-10 New King James Version (NKJV)
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
I won’t respond to the other because it’s the same principle. You are taking Scriptures out of context. You are speaking heresy.
Isaiah 29:1-24 . COMING INVASION OF JERUSALEM: ITS FAILURE: UNBELIEF OF THE JEWS. This was because of Jerusalem's disobedience and MUST be taken in context to make sense.
It appears that many people lift pieces of Scripture to support whatever they are trying to say. The proton stuff does not apply to Almight God.
Whatever words you choose to describe the conception to death process is NOT being REBORN in the Biblical sense.
Anyway, you guys can continue on with this conversation. I was just curious to know why people would think Jesus is encouraging without acknowledging who He is. His Word tells who He is. It is not about reading random books on Amazon from random people who have no special knowledge.
Peace!In order to avoid any confusion, or speculation rather to gain correct lead toward “understanding” of translated term “born-again “ ( never reborn in God’s vocabulary), we need to make stop at the original Greek “GENETHE”. A unique word first time recorded in Matt. 1:20 the angel of the Lord speaking to Joseph regarding Mary’s translated “conceived” -GENETHEN. The same root of GENETHE Jesus of Nazareth speaking to Nicodemus while translation differs of that of Matthew , here is “born from above” or “born-again’ or “born anew”… (ALSO JOHN 3:5.7.8. and 9 where Nicodemus asks “how can these thing GENESTHAI come about?” - not appears in translations . Finally speaking of the process becoming “authorized child of God, the heavenly Father" ,John 1;13 EGENNETHESAN= (past part. ) -BUT OF GOD WERE BORN. The reality is the work of the SPIRIT(J.3:8) where the life of God enters the human body. (Take it or leave it)- but do remember Jesus’ words “ Spirit will teach you all things…” Shalom.
I've noticed newscasters trying to appropriate BIblical concepts to news stories. They do that to draw more interest to their stories. I don't know why anyone would want to use born again (I agree with you on reborn) saved, converted or any Biblical terminology if they disagree with the Bible in totality.
Lifting Scriptures to misappropriate or mislead
Devin Nunes had his famous "memo" which was supposed to create a scandal about corruption in the Government. DJT didn't want to release the Demo memo because it casts a whole new light on Nunes memo and how misleading it is.
All of my comments are in love, to participate in discussion from my experience and shed light if I can. I'm not trying to be difficult.
dianetrotter,
My "typo", it should have been Isaiah 28:9-12:
"9 Whom shall he (god) teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk (religious dogma), and drawn from the breasts (religious teachers).
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear."
Michael-Miles,
My understanding is "reborn" and "born again" both means "being transformed" and is an "intellectually a metamorphosis."
dianetrotter,
I see your problem, dianetrotter, you accept the Bible literally and without your being born again I can understand. I am giving you what spirit has giving me, your destiny will someday prove what I am given scripture to mean to be valid.
AlohaSo that would make you a prophet if all things have to be spoken by you. I absolutely take the Bible literally.
What are your credentials that show you are a prophet or are able to dissect the Bible and show where it is wrong.
The Bible is either correct or incorrect. Please tell me what is incorrect if I must not take it literally. Give me support for your answer.
Read my hub "The Christ We Seek", many lay there.
KHL,
For the metaphors in the Bible the appearance of "free will" is there however, as the Isaiah 45:7 posts discussions above reveals, everything done is done via god within us creating the illusion of having free will.
All "avatars and spiritual guides" are is individuals who have experienced all experiences any earth being have experienced and has reached the perfection of reintegrating all of those experiences into themselves, the same as the one we call christ and "the ten virgins" who will during the terminating years of this civilization. However, according to the parable, only half of the 10% of earth's population they represent will become ascended masters during this end-time, the other half discarnates to replace the "dead in christ" (Rev. 6:9-11) who Rev 14:13 represents.
I believe in reincarnation. For instance I believe Elias and Elisha reincarnated as John the Baptist and Jesus. I believe Jesus was a man who had achieved oneness with God.
This link has interesting info:
https://internetelias.wordpress.com/eli … me-person/So, will John te Baptist reincarnate as Malachi's Elijah?
The answer to that question is "no". How could John the Baptist reincarnate as Elijah, when Elijah has reincarnated as Jesus. That would make John the Baptist Jesus. (remember the old formula "if a = b and b = c, then a = c? It can't apply here because they reincarnated as cousins.) I understand what Kathryn is saying that Elias was John and Elijah was Jesus. That is commonly taught in spiritual circles.
Matthew 17:1-13, a repeat of Exodus 4:6-8 prophecy, had Elijah, Moses (the person god was talking to), Jesus (the first sign) and Elijah (the latter sign per Malachi 3:1 & 4:5-6) appearing together. Mat 17:12 say Elijah shall come and restore all things and suggests John the Baptist will reincarnation as him.
Since most Christians don't believe in reincarnation they miss Jesus' words means he will reincarnate as Elijah. I don't know anything a bout that formula. I do know I was my daddy, mother, two wives, namesake son and namesake grandson by him before. That means all of their life-forces will have to be in each body and ultimately become me. The reason I know is because of certain karma interactions between us.Elias or Elijah returned as John the Baptist. Elisha returned as Jesus.
https://www.gotquestions.org/Elijah-and-Elisha.html
"Know ye not that ye are gods-" John 10:34; Psalm 82:6Kathryn? From website you referenced
How did you arrive at "Elias (Elisha) or Elijah returned as John the Baptist?
How did you get that Elisha returned as Jesus?
John 10:34 is a narrative of dialog between Jesus and the Jews. They were stoning him because they said He claimed to be God. He rhetorically asked them "Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’?"
You shouldn't hunt for words to support what you say. All should be taken in context. I know you, as a teacher, want your students to do this.
Elijah and Elisha were both greatly respected by those in the “school of prophets” (2 Kings 2 and 4:38–41) as well as by the kings of their nation. Their impact led to revival among some of the Israelites during a dark stage of Israel's history. During the wicked reigns of Ahab and Ahaziah, God had His men leading the charge for righteousness.
Elijah and Elisha’s combined legacy continued to influence Israel for some time. Even the New Testament speaks of the expected return of Elijah, a role fulfilled by John the Baptist, the forerunner or the one to announce the coming of the Messiah (Mark 1).Jesus said in Mat. 11:14 "And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come" which, according to (Mat. 17:12) "But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them" concerning John the Baptist could means John will return as "the root of David" (Rev.5:5) who "was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing" (Rev. 5:12) which would make Jesus, if he returns, to be killed a second time because he received riches at birth. Since John didn't he could be Malachi 3:1's "I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in" as 4:5-6's Elijah.
That is the best I can make out of it unless John will wait yet another whole cycle to be Jesus he ran before then.Nature, It is all recorded in the Bible. It takes patience and studying the Word to see that all of these are separate people. Jesus, is God, alpha and omega, and has always existed.
Study of the book of John tells us who Jesus is and that John the Baptist, his cousin, is the forerunner that told of His coming. He baptized Jesus because Jesus asked Him to do so. There is nothing in the Bible about Atlantis. If that is part of what you believe, your source has to be something else.
If each person interprets what he/she thinks certain passages mean, then it confuses people. The confusion comes from people wanting to stay the same and do things their way. If we all do things God's way, there will be no confusion.
Isaiah 35:8 (CJB) A highway will be there, a way, called the Way of Holiness. The unclean will not pass over it, but it will be for those whom he guides fools will not stray along it.If you have studied John's gospel you know Jesus said "Ye are gods" and the scripture can't be broken so why you make Jesus a higher god than you? He was a man (mind able to comprehend all things) and you are a man (or woman "mind unable to comprehend all things" because of being "woven from man" until your new birth you be restored your christ man abilities).
My interpretation isn't mine, it's the spirit's interpretation put into me since my new birth. Isaiah 45:7 KJV "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do [in the present tenses] all these things" is saying god is doing everything being done through those of us doing what we are doing.Nature, How do you interpret this?
◄ John 1 ►
New International Version
The Word Became Flesh
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcomea it.Simple!
The Genesis 1 suggestion is god only spoke creation into being with everything in existence contained in that speaking to manifest at their proper times. God was existence before it's manifestation but it had always been with god before speaking it into being. That includes each one of us.
As for "The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcomea it" which I prefer KJV's "comprehended it not" is the same with "let there be light" being said with darkness not comprehending (understanding) the nature nor purpose for light so they were divided. So we now compare that to man and it suggest Adam, Eve and everyone who died in the "great flood" were darkness and Noah and family were light. That is why Jesus once said "let the dead (lack of understanding man) bury their dead (discarnated bodies because once man with life's comprehension discarnates no more).Nature wrote
Simple!
The Genesis 1 suggestion is god only spoke creation into being with everything in existence contained in that speaking to manifest at their proper times. God was existence before it's manifestation but it had always been with god before speaking it into being.
My response
a lot of words to say God is the creator of all things. John 1 says Jesus was with God and IS God and paricipated in creation.
Nature wrote
That includes each one of us.
My response
That is no where in John 1 or Genesis 1 or in the Bible. This comes from you not taking the Bible literally.
Nature
As for "The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcomea it" which I prefer KJV's "comprehended it not" is the same with "let there be light" being said with darkness not comprehending (understanding) the nature nor purpose for light so they were divided. So we now compare that to man and it suggest Adam, Eve and everyone who died in the "great flood" were darkness and Noah and family were light. That is why Jesus once said "let the dead (lack of understanding man) bury their dead (discarnated bodies because once man with life's comprehension discarnates no more).
My response
?John 1:1 say, once we understand it, we all are the creators of everything.
Your response "?"
Your darkness can't comprehend this light, "no brag, just fact"!
How do you interpret this passage.
John 1:14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.The person called Jesus manifested as a "dominion empowered comprehending word" (man), as will the second messiah also, and man far away from the transition of light into and from darkness does not understand anyone is in the middle between "sunset and dark and first light and sunrise" therefore for that particular time he appeared as "the son of eternal understanding" (demonstrating) grace and speaking the truth man-en-mass comprehends not.
This obviously comes from some religion that you study. Which one is it?
James 1:27's "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."
I don't have a problem with that. That is Scripture. It is your ad libs and expansion that baffle me.
I began that living on August 6, 1976 when I was Spiritually Born and after then I discovered religion means "the way of life which teaches one how to live life" both worldly and ecological or spiritually. When the messiah (Malachi 3:1) SUDDENLY appear in his temple (White House in Washington, DC) to bring world peace (Isaiah 2:2-4) he will have to know how to live Constitutionally (Rev. 12:5) to govern by it. See my hub "The USA In Bible Prophecy".
My spiritual Birth I began to live on August 6, 1976, Since then I have night and day to (Psalm 1) meditate on things of the spirit which has revealed this information to me.
What happened at that point to let you know your spiritual life began. What were the signs.
A newly conceded person's whole way of thinking and interests began to change at conception, during gestation their mental sight is enhanced and they becomes focused on comprehending life while caring less and less about material things and comforts. They began to question everything they believed (see my hub "Questions To Aid The Reborn") and become more objective instead of being judgmental since, biblically speaking, man' judging made them morph into human/woman so the conception began to reduce judging. From their what had been your spiritual nature began to bloom taking you farther and further from creature comforting yourself but if I am the example that latter will not happen until after the birth of your separating from serving money and manmade stuff.
Sorry Nature, I'm out. I can't follow and have asked for authoritative references. No offense but I'm done with this.
Diane, Jesus' authority came from his experiences as will everyone else's. If one hasn't lived something then they can not give another's experiences as an authority.
Aloha on your journey.
This is becoming “Jesus is a good source knowing God. Hi Kathryn.
There is only one truth in written Word and must be interpreted correctly in order to grasp its power and life. The quote of John 10:34, must be read as a complete dispute Jesus of Nazareth with the religious Jews of His time (34-38) [ be advise that original conversation wasn’t in chapters and verses] , besides understanding the original text is giving an isight what is being said, Jesus: " is it not having been written in the law of you "" I SAID GODS YOU ARE ? If those he called gods with whom the WORD of God was , and cannot to be broken the scripture (him) whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world""...." v.34.35. Father sanctified and sent into the world""...." v.34.35. Jesus spoke in form of a question, He called them gods, to whom the word of God, and the Scripture cannot be set aside - cannot be loosened - more literally!! When God spoke to "them" ( HO LOGOS TOU THEU ) they new immediately after expression that IT IS GOD.
just remember " when everything being the WORD already existed.. the Word was with God and shared his nature... the word became a human being and and had temporary residence among us and we his glory, glory such as belongs to the Father's only Son..(v.14)... Does this all means religious quote "You are gods?" - See people any interpretation what "we" want as "we" want is deceiving. More study with discernment would give you understanding "But to those who did receive him (The Word in flesh here)HE GAVE the authority, power, privilege, right to become the children of God -- they are born of God "(J.1:12.13).
A man is never "God", never will be, - its powerful enough to have God's nature as the Jesus of Nazareth had and manifesting SPIRITUAL power of that nature via deeds of the Kingdom as Jesus didi, his disciples and born of God followers today. I guarantee it, first hand..... correction " when everything BEGAN the Word already existed....
Well for one, in a case of "reincarnation" God the Creator of the universe is in a recycling business. Coming out of this perspective any and all religious theories are "good " and acceptable to intellectual mind which presupposes that man has created "god" of his own imagination. As result there are thousands of religious organizations and billion of "believers". On the concrete side of the history , there is this Master of the universe , creator even of His own man to His likeness - a spiritual being with the life of God- eternal...Everyone can find the story of "separation" this life of man from the life of God recorded in the Book, as well as constant attempt to regain his own man from the domain of the enemy who presently "owns" all what Adam has given him at the moment of turning back on His "father" the creator God. One smart of the loving God has been made when He decided to come and dwell in the body of man named Jesus of Nazareth. His "birth" was foretold for thousands of generations, was expected to come in to be born in a nation which was spiritually connected to mighty God. All and every step of action Jesus of Nazareth did have been foretold and all He did was natural to God / supernatural to carnal man . What "we" the humanity has to learn from The Man of Galilee is ta WAY of return back into the family relationship with God the Father, the same as intended "in the beginning". Those first "followers”- disciples - believers of Jesus had to continue the mission of the Anointing , making THE DISCIPLES of all nations exactly as they were made by Christ - Anointed one. His declaration “ Who has seen the Father are true and not proverbial since seeing spiritual reality requires spiritual life of God in a man .” It is a simple way to make serious decision receiving the Word- LIVING word existing from the beginning revealed in the flesh and “ those who received him he gave authority to become children of God, to those who believe in him. They were born, not from human stock nor from human desire nor from the will of man, but from God.” Why am I writing all of this ? Everyone has access to the Gospel of John. Its up to an individual :You want it or you don’t! There are countless children of God- who took advantage of the His declaration “My words are spirit and they are life”- the life of eternal God. Herr you have it.
You don't see the there is no beginning to the one life-force that is the actual life-force of existence that is in every physical manifestation along with the multitude of individual life-forces for the many different living entities in large life-types with multitudes of life-types that comes into existence with the forming of the larger life types. The life-type called the Christ has had and will have every life-force section of the eternal life-force to manifest as it, your's and mine as well.
"Jesus of Nazareth" was foretold long before the people called Jews came into being in earlier religions but man-en-mass' limited acceptance doesn't seem that. No nation to have ever existed is connected to the eternal life-force, including the United States of America, the most prophecies nation in the Bible because the second messiah comes out of it as most prophecies are pointing to.
Every "word is spirit and life"; herr you have it.Squarely, my typo "herr" vs. "here" apparently becoming best part of this exchange.
The0, I respectfully disagree with part of one of your statements: "No nation to have ever existed is connected to the eternal life-force, including the United States of America,..." I quote as my source Carolyn Myss, an expert on the subject of soul contracts. Ms. Myss says that countries can have a soul contract with God, and that our founding fathers made soul contracts to found the United States as a nation under God, and that they and their starving rag-tag army defeated the British with God's help because of this soul contract.
The United States was founded to give the former souls of Atlantis a chance to reincarnate and make the things right that they fouled up when they sank their continent. Those of us who are here now and concerned with the continuation of the United States as a free country are probably Atlantean souls. I feel my ties to Atlantis, and I know many people who do also.Miss B,
I'm sorry [lived] was left out of the statement "The life-type called the Christ has had and will have [lived] every life-force section of the eternal life-force to manifest as it, your's and mine as well." I hope you were able to realize it was meant to be there.
The law of karma reveals individual, group/nation/specie, breed/ethnic, gender and all collective differences are karma. By definition Karma means "it is" and suggest "everything that happened to any other thing has been or will happen to the life-forces of the manifesting beings doing it to them." That means every nation ever to exist has repeated itself eternally without ceasing. That means Carolyn Myss may not have taken into consideration that "every nation has existed because the same manifested group of man who brought them into their, if it was possible, 'first' manifestation" will have other life-forces in them the their bodies making the nation to have the same karma the "first" one endured.
According to my comprehension of karma, "Atlantis" will manifest again during the opposite civilization to this one when man do not recognize their bodies and the sun is out and another group of beings will continue its karmic requirements.Sometimes I have trouble interpreting what you are saying, The0. Do you mean that you think Atlantis will manifest again in another dimension? (when man do not recognize their bodies...") Where do you get your information. I get mine from Tibetan teachings, and they say that the United States is the modern manifestation of Atlantis. I haven't met up with anyone who thinks that Atlantis will manifest in another dimension. That is what "when man do not recognize their bodies" means to me. Why would we wait until we are truly spiritual people because by then, we would have fulfilled our Karmas, including those we caused in Atlantis.
If it is a true established city, yes. Everything if it once happened it continue to happen because nothing new will ever manifested in existence, they manifests and de-manifest continuing unceasingly. Genesis 1:14 and Ecclesiastes 1:9 KJV and many other places, Christian and non, imply the same things.
Kathryn, now I see where you are coming from. I have to say "me too, I believe in reincarnation." I also love to read about Jesus outside the bible. I believe that we can get a bigger and better picture of Jesus from a viewpoint unprejudiced by Rome.
There are so many books on Jesus or The Christ which is outside religious indoctrination. Just look in Amazon under Religion & Spirituality & go to the New Age section, you will find plenty of books on Jesus.
Thanks, but I belong to several online groups who study this subject. I have bought a couple from Amazon though.
So what, if you are "New Born" you loose your >>> O W N <<< will?
N OKathryn, I don't interpret being "new born" as losing one's own will, but I'm looking at it from a spiritualist viewpoint, not Christian dogma. I believe it means that once you've made the connection, you listen to your higher self that has a connection to god or spirit, not your lower mind, which gives you the capacity to make better decisions. But you still have the free will to let your lower mind screw you up if that's what you really want. LOL
Actually, understanding "new born" it is like ...
The Adam and Eve metaphor was separating Yin from Yang in all man except Noah and his family atet e flood. The separated man are human=cut from man and woman woven from man but neither man, human nor woman is a gender. That cause our brains to divide into left intellectual or carnal and right the spiritual or intuitive and during this civilization left brain boys controls the world and in Rev. 21 right brain girls do, neither sees 360 degrees but only 180 max. When the metamorphosis of "new birth" is completed it eliminates the divide within our brains we are able to see all things in 360, after all, it i written we are in god and god is within us, so we all obtain all of the ab ileitis the christ demonstrated by making human/woman man again.… and who wants to do that? Thats why consciously knowing the truth sets you free.
Consciously "knowing the truth MAKES you free" because one CANNOT know truth without living it.
If I say, "Thy will be done," it is a conscious choice to finding and following "Thy Will".
They DO use their own volition in the matter.
Furthermore, if this were not true there would be NO purpose for human existence.Charmaine, your *If I say, "Thy will be done," it is a conscious choice to finding and following "Thy Will"* is correctly stated from the carnal perspective BUT from the spiritual perspective what is called god has already predestined you to say "thy will be done" which means you consciously said it after being directed to say it from within especially when it is said from what we call "the heart".
The purpose for EVERY THING in existence is for causing every fragment or "god particle" to ceaselessly learn and forget forget over and over again every aspect of existence for giving purpose for existence's being.
To be clear:
Elias = Elijah.
Elias does NOT = Elisha.
Elijah and Elisha reincarnated together. They recognized each other while in the womb when their mothers met, as I recall from Bible passages.
They had been together in their previous incarnations and reincarnated 400 years later.
4 to 5 hundred years is the average stay in the astral realm before reincarnating and working out karma to spiritually evolve toward the light from whence we ALL came.
It is safe to assume that many of us who were born in the 1900's had lived during the renaissance period in past lives.
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http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/vi … ction=viewThis is, as far as I am concerned a very "successful " joke,- if ever something like this exists. God, the Creator of the universe is The Spirit, He is God of the living not God of dead, the One who created everything what is created, known and unknown to humans, and be assured, He is not in any recycling production of humans, His word is powerful to create everything new...
It blows my mind that people can believe this stuff but cannot believe that God is alive, has always existed, loves us, and wants us to spend eternity with Him. It's so simple It takes more faith to believe in all of these variations of reincarnation, extra-terrrestrials and little gods than it does to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
If you don't believe "what ever a man sow so shall he also reap" then I agree with you but if you do believe that then that's exactly what it is telling you. It's saying every plant you ate, animated life you killed, precious stone you used and all other earthen entities you've had anything to do with you have been: THAT IS GOD RECYCLING..
Michael-Miles,
Where in the Bible do we find a reference to the living dead other than where Jesus said "let the dead bury their dead"? Since Jesus said there are man who are dead there should be another scriptural reference to them.
I say "the Great Flood"!
Gen. 1 has plants produced on day 3, Sun placed on day 4, b ids and fish on day 5 and all other animals and man of both genders produced on day 6 with dominion (the abilities demonstrated by the christ) that was followed by a day of rest; Gen. 2 has on day 8 an earth without plants, a single man formed from the earth, a garden planted with a tree life and of the knowledge of good and evil (or tree of death), the man placed therein, birds and animals formed from the earth that man named and then had another man "woven from him" (meaning mind unable to comprehend all things because of not being complete man) he called woman.
Being those days, per Peter, were a thousand years day 8 continues until they die (became "minds unable to comprehend all things" as the word man means) from eating "the knowledge of good and evil", are put out of the garden - then skip to the flood in chapter 6 for our purpose where - and god calls those first man "sons of god" (because they had dominion powersJesus demonstrated) and Adan and Eve's descendants "daughters of man" those who married the ideology of Adam and Eve who were already "the living dead". Noah and his sons represent the four primary ethnics, Noah and Adam the Asians, Cain and Japheth Natives of the Americas, Ham and Esau being Africans with Shem and Jacob being Europeans. They also represent a group out of each of those four ethnics who maintained the "dominion powers" Jesus demonstrated with Australia's Aboriginals and Europe Druids being the only two people I know maintained those abilities.
Thus, woman-in-mass who continue to use "good / evil" judgments are the living dead and make Jesus to have been conceived by, since he was a man of color preached diseased as snow (Exo. 4:6-8), an Australian Aboriginal.
Either you agree, show me some other cause for "the living dead" or proclaim yourself a living dead.
AlohaThe0NatureBoy, your insulting nature of dialog caused recently to discontinue dialog with you. This time you do the same, urging me to "agree" with your idea or " proclaim yourself (myself) a living dead". In my cultural background the civilized people do not talk this way.
Meanwhile you can find more than one Scripture where Jesus of Nazareth said "Let the dead bury their dead". Those who do have spiritual life understand the quote " he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life."
Soli Deo Gloria.Michael-Miles, It is not meant as an insult, either one of us can be, What I asked is for something to suggest "the living dead" is something other than the human/woman "daughters of man" of the flood, I apologize for saying " show me some other cause for "the living dead" or proclaim yourself a living dead" as I work hard not to make such proclamations I do sometimes slip. Forgive me, I MEANT NO JUDGMENT.
You are forgiven, indeed you are.
Shalom.
dianetrotter cheer up! Once the apostle dealt with similar cases when made final conclusion. The merely natural man does not accept the things of God's Spirit; they are foolishness to him. He cannot understand them because they must be examined spiritually. The spiritual man examines all things... ( The spirit of God within a born of God child of God- (and Michael has nothing to do with it.) We JUST let God be God .
“Has anyone ever known
the thoughts of the Lord
or given him advice?”
But we possess Christ's mind.Thank you Michael! It started frustrating me because I wanted to have a coherent conversation. I tried. You are right. Let God be God!
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