Jesus is a good source, in the search for God.

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  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 8 months ago

    Q. What does Jesus know?
    A. He knew that the kingdom of God is found within.

    The New Testament, originally written in Greek, includes many accounts of the life and ministry of Jesus and all these accounts have the same narrative. From these accounts we can assume certain things about the appearance and personality of Jesus. He had been a carpenter from the time he was young, working with his father, so must have had a good physique. He was not a Roman, (who wore their hair short,) so he had long hair and a beard, but the custom of the day was for men to keep their hair and beards trimmed and neat, (so he probably wasn't scraggly haired as many pictures show.) He was a very kind person who stood up for children. At a wedding party he turned water into wine so that people could continue celebrating!! It seemed He did not stand out in a crowd, so he probably had a pretty low-key demeanor. He did not have the stress of owning a home and holding a job as he relied on the generosity of neighbors and strangers to share their homes. He and his disciples would stay for a couple days and then move on. He must have been pleasing to be around.

    He had a mission to change the ways and minds of the people and especially of the Jewish religious leaders of the synagogues who had become hypocritical, egotistic fakers, but He was not a faker. He could actually bring souls back into their bodies after their hearts had stopped. He could heal people of many infirmities, including blindness, and he knew the motives of people through intuition. He taught his disciples advanced Yoga techniques such as stopping the heart and meditating by focusing with body, heart, mind and soul on God, in order to achieve liberation through oneness with the force of (causal) God.

    The times were bad. People were doing horrible things such as watching bloody violent games in the Coliseum. He brought a message of love. Yet they killed him, so afraid that he would become king of the land. He was only talking about heaven. HEAVEN.

    And in the end, there he was hanging on the cross, with nails hammered into his hands and feet, asking God to forgive his persecutors for their ignorance. That had been His mission and he fulfilled it. How did he do it ... we, being identified with human consciousness, just can't figure that out. God had said he would never wipe out mankind with a flood again. Instead, He decided to forgive us and guide us through Jesus. This act of forgiveness proves God loves us unconditionally forever and ever. He gives us freewill to guide. He gives us boundaries. He gives us inspiration, hope and faith. 

    Jesus' birth had been prophesied 400 years beforehand. We do not know the exact time and day of His birth, yet the wise-men knew the astrological facts and location of his birth and they arrived with gifts after traveling through the desert.

    And after he died, he got up and pushed the stone away from the opening of the tomb where he had been laid to rest.

    You can't make that stuff up once, let alone four times as we read in the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

    The Way I See it

    1. lovetherain profile image80
      lovetherainposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      Are you a Christian?

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        I am a child of God. I like to read about Jesus. I am amazed by Him. I have a tendency to believe Jesus is magical. I like to believe it and this belief has helped me in many tangible ways.

        1. Michael-Milec profile image61
          Michael-Milecposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Even the world recognizes children of God. It is our love, the first and only love apparent without a word spoken "he who knows my commandments and keeps them  is he ho loves me; and he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I shall love him and revealed myself to him " (Wow!)
          Those who live with me, work with me, drive on the highway around me... well,  JESUS the living Word revealed in the life of a "believer" - obviously can't be hidden.

          1. dianetrotter profile image69
            dianetrotterposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            Now that's Bible!

            1. Michael-Milec profile image61
              Michael-Milecposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              Well it is - was for me easy choice  to "RECEIVE" the living Word because it is DONE BY GOD-The Father Himself "But to as many as did receive and welcome Him, He gave the authority [power, privilege, right] to become the children of God, that is those who believe in-- adhere to, trust in and rely on His name" ! Life is in the Spirit of God is highest privilege  to be alive, to work, love and be blessed...

              1. dianetrotter profile image69
                dianetrotterposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                Amen!

        2. dianetrotter profile image69
          dianetrotterposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Why do you like to read about Jesus?  Is that necessary to believe in God?

    2. The0NatureBoy profile image44
      The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      Yet, after reading that only a few people ever seek to follow his command to forsake all things of the world and follow his example. Because I have followed his example and teachings, I have discovered not only is god within me but in everything, animal, plant, grain of sand, rock mineral or any other physical manifestation.

      I have been the instrument in healing some minor disorders as proof to me that I was indeed following a similar path to "self-integration" of all facets of my being for becoming an advanced "son of man" with "man" being the same as god.

      1. Michael-Milec profile image61
        Michael-Milecposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        Yeah, "the same as god" (never as God) - just a little bit lover... Our human ability is  limited .

        1. The0NatureBoy profile image44
          The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Your sight is too short. Via reincarnation every piece of the ENDLESS life-force of existence will have the opportunity to become existence-as-a-whole's life-force. The section that's now the life-force of existence-as-a-whole will discarnate for another will replace it as it goes into the most possible absolute level of ignorance in order to begin again through the learning cycle. There is no beginning nor end to repeating the cycle of reincarnation.

          I have e a couple of hubs talking about those cycles if you want to see how I have said it.

          1. Michael-Milec profile image61
            Michael-Milecposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            Following these two of your judgmental diagnosis: “You don't see ..” ; “Your sight is too short” ,my further conversation with you is deliberately put on hold . Thanks. It was nice  meeting  you.

            1. The0NatureBoy profile image44
              The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              You are welcome although you didn't meet me.

    3. dianetrotter profile image69
      dianetrotterposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      If there is one error in the Bible, the bible is false.

      1. The0NatureBoy profile image44
        The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        To complement your assessment look at Isaiah 45:7; it say there is no good nor evil in existence so everything is false.

        1. dianetrotter profile image69
          dianetrotterposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Isaiah 45:7      "I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I, the Lord, do all these things."

          I don't read it the same way you do.  Without reading before and after verse 7, I read that

          Someone made light and darkness (Who could do that?)
          I make peace (if we want to, I suppose we all can make peace)
          and create evil (the operative word is "create" - from nothing)
          the Lord (who is the Lord)

          do all things (who is able to do all things)

          1. The0NatureBoy profile image44
            The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            you read it as I do but but you only "surface reasoned" with the words. If you began at the "top" of it and go through to the "bottom" of it you should find the "understanding":
            "(god) formed the light, and created darkness; (god) made peace, and created evil; I, (god), do [present tense meaning always is doing] all these things."  In turn that's saying god is doing everything ever done through us. That is how the one called christ was able to say " I and my Father are one" and when we come into that level of understanding we will say the SAME.

        2. dianetrotter profile image69
          dianetrotterposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          The reason I wrote the Scripture out is because your comment about "everything is false" is not what that passage says.  God created everything.  That is important to get from the passage.  He is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth.  John 4:24

          People can believe what they want because we have free will.  And there is a large body of diverging view.  The point is, "Is it truth?"  How do you KNOW it is true?

          1. The0NatureBoy profile image44
            The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            When one understand "word definitions" rather than "word usage" as taught in today's schooling ["preparing man-en-mass to follow external leaders"] system THAT IS TRUTH THAT "MAKES" one free and becoming free is how one knows it is true.

    4. gmwilliams profile image82
      gmwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      So many people view Jesus within the religious or their particular religious purview.  However, Jesus preached self-actualization & spiritual awareness. 
      https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13148348.jpg

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        Hxprofposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        No he didn't.

        1. dianetrotter profile image69
          dianetrotterposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Hi hx! 

          I'm ama pre-tribber.  It would be interesting to have a discussion on pre-trib, mid-trib and post-trib. 

          I am lost as an  Easter egg on Atlantis.

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            Hxprofposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            Sure, I'd be glad to discuss the timing of the rapture - you choose the means.  I don't know anything about Atlantis.

          2. profile image79
            Hxprofposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            Never mind, I got the Easter egg reference now......

            1. dianetrotter profile image69
              dianetrotterposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              Easter egg is my favorite thing to say!

              I will start a forum and let you know.

          3. The0NatureBoy profile image44
            The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            I will also post this on the link, Diane.

            I am a post-triber because of comprehending the prophecies, look at this and see if I err.

            The christ said "he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved" and in "the 10 virgins" parable half survive and half doesn't. Take that to Revelation 16:14-16 where we find "the battle of that great day of God Almighty" as the actual tribulation and after that we have "Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame; And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon." Put together we get ...

            "The saved" will survive the tribulation said clear and without needing any interpretation. The "10 virgins", I interpret as 10% of the end time population, parable we see half are shut out of Armageddon which, in understanding the "to gather them to" before naming the battle, suggests it happens after shutting up Armageddon.

            Paul said "the dead in Christ shall rise first" meaning before the rapture while Rev. 6:9-12 tells us they are already discarnated because in Rev. 14:13 we are told "Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth" therefore some has to discarnate during "the battle of ... god almighty," the 5 foolish virgins. After the battle Armageddon's 5% gives birth to Rev 6's "dead in christ" (DIC) for a thousand years and together they give birth to "the rest of the dead" per Rev. 20:4-5. The rapture begin as the population increases for the "new heaven and earth" (Rev 21) with spiritual man they and the christ called Jesus will call them one at a time, the paymaster parable (Mat. 16:1-16), until only the second christ is left as the Alpha and Omega. 

            Can you find a better explanation?

    5. dianetrotter profile image69
      dianetrotterposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      How do you know there is a Jesus?  What about Mohammed?  What about the Dali Lama?  What is the point of needing to read about Jesus?

      1. gmwilliams profile image82
        gmwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        Of course, there is a Jesus.  There is historical evidence that there was a Jesus.  There is also a Mohammed, Buddha, & other advanced souls who walked the earth.  The Dalai Lama is also another advanced soul who walks the earth.    One needs to know as much about advanced spiritual souls as possible.  According to the late Dr. David Hawkins, Ph.D., M.D. Jesus' consciousness calibration was 1000, which is the highest consciousness level recorded.   Dr. Hawkins have written many books on the subject of calibration & consciousness which includes Jesus.  You can find such books on amazon.com.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
          Kathryn L Hillposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Thanks, gmwilliams. smile

        2. dianetrotter profile image69
          dianetrotterposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          There is documented prooft of Jesus and the history of Him coming to earth and dwelling among men is told from the perspective of different people in the BIble.

        3. The0NatureBoy profile image44
          The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Actual history, GMW, as far as I have found only have two references, one was by a Roman emperor and I don't remember the other, of anyone named Jesus and called christ and they MAY HAVE BEEN because of "the Nicene Council of the CE year 325". The very word Jesus as a name only appears in Spanish and pronounced "hey seus" which, more than likely, also came about because of the Nicene Council. In searching I have never found an origin of it until I found "Je" and "Seis" in French meaning "Je = I" and "Seis = am" I also believe the Council deliberately used because he is "the son" and that name is also god's name of "I AM THAT I AM" which the "holy ghost" will have "common" in his name.

          Where can I find more than the two I mentioned?

      2. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        … who said you NEED to? You don't need to. However, it does seem to be that when the student is ready the teacher appears.
        Its all about will. God gives us freewill to guide. He gave commandments because following them will keep us safe and in touch with our Selves/souls. If you just want to be an egotistic faker, have at it. When you see that doesn't work, any number of avatars and spiritual guides have been on earth. You can find any teacher or guide you want! If they are from God/Reality your soul will know and then you will be happily finding the answers to the questions you have formulated. Stay connected to Self … or not
        Your Choice.


        The way I See It.

        1. dianetrotter profile image69
          dianetrotterposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Ok.  I was asking probing questions because I am a Christian.  I can't understand why someone who does not believe that Jesus is God would find him important. Everyone that writes "spiritual or enlightening" books are writing from their own perspectives. 

          Differing opinions generally conflict.  Where is the truth the opinions are based on.  We know 1 + 1 = 2.  That is fact.  Beyond that, it is possible to expand and give points of view but in the final analysis, 1 + 1 = 2.

          Thank you for engaging me Kathryn!

          1. The0NatureBoy profile image44
            The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            Some of those perspectives are valid, one must be qualified to discern which to believe. As a matter of fact, they will be provided thew ones they need when needed, has been my experiences.

            1. dianetrotter profile image69
              dianetrotterposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              Qualifications themselves can be very subjective.

              1. The0NatureBoy profile image44
                The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                Discernment comes to "new born" people, it isn't something one do of their own volition, it comes from what is termed god.

                1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  I heartily disagree. They always in all cases make a conscious choice. If not they are drunk or stoned and in that case something is going wrong.
                  …. or hypnotized, which is not a conducive state toward spiritual advancement.

                  1. The0NatureBoy profile image44
                    The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    One cannot make an unconscious choice not even a "drunk, stone or hypnotized" person.

                2. dianetrotter profile image69
                  dianetrotterposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  What does it mean to be new born?  What about the term god?  What does that mean?

                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    I think he's talking about "born again" Christians. He won't use the capital G God, just the small g god.
                    He wants to believe god is only within. No. We are a drop of the ocean of God's omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient existence.


                    If heaven is within, as Jesus says, then heaven is within. How can this be true? Because we are also consciousness which, if pure, is bliss/heaven.

                    How do we perceive/be pure consciousness? Takes desire, effort and work. In the beginning, practice, mostly.


                    As I believe.

                  2. The0NatureBoy profile image44
                    The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    A tadpole has to become "born again" to become a frog, a caterpillar to butterfly and others like them. "Born again, new born and reborn" are a conscious being that changes from being what they were [as with man, mostly consciousness first then appearance (see my hub "Questions To Aid The Reborn")] and into a completely different, as I was, first is the way of thinking which causes one to then consciously "endure" the pains of accepting all things the environment produces.

                    If you recall the christ's words to Nicodemus began with his consciousness before he said "you must be born again".

                    God, as i said in another thread, is the smallest entity in existence man are able to detect, photons, which permeates and produces all manifestations, including consciousness, above it.

        2. The0NatureBoy profile image44
          The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          KHL,
          For the metaphors in the Bible the appearance of "free will" is there however, as the Isaiah 45:7 posts discussions above reveals, everything done is done via god within us creating the illusion of having free will.

          All "avatars and spiritual guides" are is individuals who have experienced all experiences any earth being have experienced and has reached the perfection of reintegrating all of those experiences into themselves, the same as the one we call christ and "the ten virgins" who will during the terminating years of this civilization. However, according to the parable, only half of the 10% of earth's population they represent will become ascended masters during this end-time, the other half discarnates to replace the "dead in christ" (Rev. 6:9-11) who Rev 14:13 represents.

  2. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 8 months ago

    I believe in reincarnation. For instance I believe Elias and Elisha reincarnated as John the Baptist and Jesus. I believe Jesus was a man who had achieved oneness with God.

    This link has interesting info:
      https://internetelias.wordpress.com/eli … me-person/

    1. The0NatureBoy profile image44
      The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      So, will John te Baptist reincarnate as Malachi's Elijah?

      1. MizBejabbers profile image92
        MizBejabbersposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        The answer to that question is "no". How could John the Baptist reincarnate as Elijah, when Elijah has reincarnated as Jesus. That would make John the Baptist Jesus. (remember the old formula "if a = b and b = c, then a = c? It can't apply here because they reincarnated as cousins.) I understand what Kathryn is saying that Elias was John and Elijah was Jesus. That is commonly taught in spiritual circles.

        1. The0NatureBoy profile image44
          The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Matthew 17:1-13, a repeat of Exodus 4:6-8 prophecy, had Elijah, Moses (the person god was talking to), Jesus (the first sign) and Elijah (the latter sign per Malachi 3:1 & 4:5-6) appearing together. Mat 17:12 say Elijah shall come and restore all things and suggests John the Baptist will reincarnation as him.

          Since most Christians don't believe in reincarnation they miss Jesus' words means he will reincarnate as Elijah. I don't know anything a bout that formula. I do know I was my daddy, mother, two wives, namesake son and namesake grandson by him before. That means all of their life-forces will have to be in each body and ultimately become me. The reason I know is because of certain karma interactions between us.

        2. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
          Kathryn L Hillposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Elias or Elijah returned as John the Baptist. Elisha returned as Jesus.

          https://www.gotquestions.org/Elijah-and-Elisha.html

          "Know ye not that ye are gods-"  John 10:34; Psalm 82:6

          1. dianetrotter profile image69
            dianetrotterposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            Kathryn?  From website you referenced
            How did you arrive at "Elias (Elisha) or Elijah returned as John the Baptist?
            How did you get that Elisha returned as Jesus? 

            John 10:34 is a narrative of dialog between Jesus and the Jews.  They were stoning him because they said He claimed to be God.  He rhetorically asked them "Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’?"

            You shouldn't hunt for words to support what you say.  All should be taken in context.  I know you, as a teacher, want your students to do this.

            Elijah and Elisha were both greatly respected by those in the “school of prophets” (2 Kings 2 and 4:38–41) as well as by the kings of their nation. Their impact led to revival among some of the Israelites during a dark stage of Israel's history. During the wicked reigns of Ahab and Ahaziah, God had His men leading the charge for righteousness.

            Elijah and Elisha’s combined legacy continued to influence Israel for some time. Even the New Testament speaks of the expected return of Elijah, a role fulfilled by John the Baptist, the forerunner or the one to announce the coming of the Messiah (Mark 1).

          2. The0NatureBoy profile image44
            The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            Jesus said in Mat. 11:14 "And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come" which, according to (Mat. 17:12) "But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them" concerning John the Baptist could means John will return as "the root of David" (Rev.5:5) who "was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing" (Rev. 5:12) which would make Jesus, if he returns, to be killed a second time because he received riches at birth. Since John didn't he could be Malachi 3:1's "I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in" as 4:5-6's Elijah.

            That is the best I can make out of it unless John will wait yet another whole cycle to be Jesus he ran before then.

            1. dianetrotter profile image69
              dianetrotterposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              Nature, It is all recorded in the Bible.  It takes patience and studying the Word to see that all of these are separate people.  Jesus, is God, alpha and omega, and has always existed.

              Study of the book of John tells us who Jesus is and that John the Baptist, his cousin, is the forerunner that told of His coming.  He baptized Jesus because Jesus asked Him to do so.  There is nothing in the Bible about Atlantis.  If that is part of what you believe, your source has to be something else.

              If each person interprets what he/she thinks certain passages mean, then it confuses people.  The confusion comes from people wanting to stay the same and do things their way.  If we all do things God's way, there will be no confusion.

              Isaiah 35:8 (CJB) A highway will be there, a way, called the Way of Holiness. The unclean will not pass over it, but it will be for those whom he guides fools will not stray along it.

              1. The0NatureBoy profile image44
                The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                If you have studied John's gospel you know Jesus said "Ye are gods" and the scripture can't be broken so why you make Jesus a higher god than you? He was a man (mind able to comprehend all things) and you are a man (or woman "mind unable to comprehend all things" because of being "woven from man" until your new birth you be restored your christ man abilities). 

                My interpretation isn't mine, it's the spirit's interpretation put into me since my new birth. Isaiah 45:7 KJV "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do [in the present tenses] all these things" is saying god is doing everything being done through those of us doing what we are doing.

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                  Hxprofposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  No, it's your interpretation.

                  1. The0NatureBoy profile image44
                    The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    Explain, Please!!!!

                2. dianetrotter profile image69
                  dianetrotterposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  Nature, How do you interpret this?

                  ◄ John 1 ►
                  New International Version
                  The Word Became Flesh

                  1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcomea it.

                  1. The0NatureBoy profile image44
                    The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    Simple!
                    The Genesis 1 suggestion is god only spoke creation into being with everything in existence contained in that speaking to manifest at their proper times. God was existence before it's manifestation but it had always been with god before speaking it into being. That includes each one of us.

                    As for "The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcomea it" which I prefer KJV's "comprehended it not" is the same with "let there be light" being said with darkness not comprehending (understanding) the nature nor purpose for light so they were divided. So we now compare that to man and it suggest Adam, Eve and everyone who died in the "great flood" were darkness and Noah and family were light. That is why Jesus once said "let the dead (lack of understanding man) bury their dead (discarnated bodies because once man with life's comprehension discarnates no more).

                3. dianetrotter profile image69
                  dianetrotterposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  How do you interpret this passage.

                  John 1:14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

                  1. The0NatureBoy profile image44
                    The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    The person called Jesus manifested as a "dominion empowered comprehending word" (man), as will the second messiah also, and man far away from the transition of light into and from darkness does not understand anyone is in the middle between "sunset and dark and first light and sunrise" therefore for that particular time he appeared as "the son of eternal understanding" (demonstrating) grace and speaking the truth man-en-mass comprehends not.

          3. Michael-Milec profile image61
            Michael-Milecposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            This is becoming “Jesus is a good source knowing God. Hi Kathryn.
            There is only one truth in written Word and must be interpreted correctly in order to grasp its power and life. The  quote of John 10:34, must be read as a complete dispute Jesus of Nazareth with the religious Jews of His time (34-38) [ be advise that original conversation wasn’t in chapters and verses] , besides understanding the original text is giving an isight what is being said, Jesus: " is it not having been written in the law of you  "" I  SAID GODS YOU ARE ? If those he called gods with whom the WORD of God was , and cannot to be broken the scripture (him) whom the Father  sanctified and sent into the world""...." v.34.35. Father  sanctified and sent into the world""...." v.34.35. Jesus spoke in form of  a question, He called them gods, to whom the word of God, and the Scripture cannot be set aside - cannot be loosened - more literally!!  When God spoke to "them" ( HO LOGOS TOU THEU ) they new immediately after  expression that IT IS GOD.
            just remember  " when everything being the WORD  already existed.. the Word was with God and shared his nature... the word became a human being and and had temporary residence among us and we his glory, glory such  as belongs to the Father's only Son..(v.14)... Does this all means religious quote "You are gods?" - See people any interpretation  what "we" want as "we" want is deceiving. More study with discernment would give  you understanding "But to those who did receive him (The Word in flesh here)HE GAVE the authority, power, privilege, right to become the children of  God -- they are born of God "(J.1:12.13).
            A man is never "God", never will be, - its powerful enough to have God's nature as the Jesus of Nazareth had and manifesting  SPIRITUAL power of that nature via  deeds of the Kingdom as Jesus didi, his disciples and born of God followers today. I guarantee it, first hand.

            1. Michael-Milec profile image61
              Michael-Milecposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              .... correction " when everything BEGAN the Word already existed....

    2. Michael-Milec profile image61
      Michael-Milecposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      Well for one, in a case of "reincarnation"  God the Creator of the universe is in a  recycling business. Coming out of  this perspective any and all religious theories are "good "  and acceptable to intellectual mind which presupposes that man has  created "god" of his own imagination. As result there are thousands of religious organizations and billion of "believers". On the concrete side of the history , there is this Master of the universe , creator even of His own man to His likeness - a spiritual being with the life of God- eternal...Everyone can find the story of "separation" this life of man from the life of God  recorded in the Book, as well as constant attempt to regain his own man from the domain of the enemy who presently "owns" all what Adam has  given him at the moment of turning back on His "father" the creator God. One smart of the loving God has been made when He decided to come and dwell in the body of man named Jesus of Nazareth. His "birth" was foretold  for thousands of generations, was expected to come in to be born in a nation which was spiritually connected to mighty God. All and every step of action Jesus of Nazareth did have been foretold and all He did was natural to God / supernatural to carnal man . What "we" the humanity has to learn from The Man of Galilee is ta WAY of return back into the family relationship with God the Father, the same as intended "in the beginning". Those first "followers”- disciples - believers of Jesus had to continue the mission of the Anointing , making THE DISCIPLES of all nations exactly as they were made by Christ - Anointed one. His declaration “ Who has seen the Father are true and not proverbial since seeing spiritual reality requires spiritual life of God in a man .” It is a simple way to make serious decision receiving the Word- LIVING word existing from the beginning revealed in the flesh and “ those who received him he gave authority to become children of God, to those who believe in him. They were born, not from human stock nor from human desire nor from the will of man, but from God.” Why am I writing all of this ? Everyone has access to the Gospel of John.  Its up to an individual :You want it or you don’t! There are countless  children of God- who  took advantage of the His declaration “My words are spirit and they are life”- the life of eternal God. Herr you have it.

      1. The0NatureBoy profile image44
        The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        You don't see the there is no beginning to the one life-force that is the actual life-force of existence that is in every physical manifestation along with the multitude of individual life-forces for the many different living entities in large life-types with multitudes of life-types that comes into existence with the forming of the larger life types. The life-type called the Christ has had and will have every life-force section of the eternal life-force to manifest as it, your's and mine as well.

        "Jesus of Nazareth" was foretold long before the people called Jews came into being in earlier religions but man-en-mass' limited acceptance doesn't seem that. No nation to have ever existed is connected to the eternal life-force, including the United States of America, the most prophecies nation in the Bible because the second messiah comes out of it as most prophecies are pointing to.

        Every "word is spirit and life"; herr you have it.

        1. Michael-Milec profile image61
          Michael-Milecposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Squarely, my typo "herr" vs. "here" apparently becoming best part of this exchange.

        2. MizBejabbers profile image92
          MizBejabbersposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          The0, I respectfully disagree with part of one of your statements: "No nation to have ever existed is connected to the eternal life-force, including the United States of America,..." I quote as my source Carolyn Myss, an expert on the subject of soul contracts. Ms. Myss says that countries can have a soul contract with God, and that our founding fathers made soul contracts to found the United States as a nation under God, and that they and their starving rag-tag army defeated the British with God's help because of this soul contract.
          The United States was founded to give the former souls of Atlantis a chance to reincarnate and make the things right that they fouled up when they sank their continent. Those of us who are here now and concerned with the continuation of the United States as a free country are probably Atlantean souls. I feel my ties to Atlantis, and I know many people who do also.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
            Kathryn L Hillposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            Interesting!

          2. The0NatureBoy profile image44
            The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            Miss B,
            I'm sorry [lived] was left out of the statement "The life-type called the Christ has had and will have [lived] every life-force section of the eternal life-force to manifest as it, your's and mine as well." I hope you were able to realize it was meant to be there.

            The law of karma reveals individual, group/nation/specie, breed/ethnic, gender and all collective differences are karma. By definition Karma means "it is" and suggest "everything that happened to any other thing has been or will happen to the life-forces of the manifesting beings doing it to them." That means every nation ever to exist has repeated itself eternally without ceasing. That means Carolyn Myss may not have taken into consideration that "every nation has existed because the same manifested group of man who brought them into their, if it was possible, 'first' manifestation" will have other life-forces in them the their bodies making the nation to have the same karma the "first" one endured.

            According to my comprehension of karma, "Atlantis" will manifest again during the opposite civilization to this one when man do not recognize their bodies and the sun is out and another group of beings will continue its karmic requirements.

            1. MizBejabbers profile image92
              MizBejabbersposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              Sometimes I have trouble interpreting what you are saying, The0. Do you mean that you think Atlantis will manifest again in another dimension? (when man do not recognize their bodies...") Where do you get your information. I get mine from Tibetan teachings, and they say that the United States is the modern  manifestation of Atlantis. I haven't met up with anyone who thinks that Atlantis will manifest in another dimension. That is what "when man do not recognize their bodies" means to me. Why would we wait until we are truly spiritual people because by then, we would have fulfilled our Karmas, including those we caused in Atlantis.

              1. The0NatureBoy profile image44
                The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                If it is a true established city, yes. Everything if it once happened it continue to happen because nothing new will ever manifested in existence, they manifests and de-manifest continuing unceasingly.  Genesis 1:14 and Ecclesiastes 1:9 KJV and many other places, Christian and non, imply the same things.

          3. dianetrotter profile image69
            dianetrotterposted 7 months agoin reply to this

            Thank you for providing a source Mz!

      2. dianetrotter profile image69
        dianetrotterposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        This is in my neighborhood!

    3. MizBejabbers profile image92
      MizBejabbersposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      Kathryn, now I see where you are coming from. I have to say "me too, I believe in reincarnation." I also love to read about Jesus outside the bible. I believe that we can get a bigger and better picture of Jesus from a viewpoint unprejudiced by Rome.

      1. gmwilliams profile image82
        gmwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        There are so many books on Jesus or The Christ which is outside religious indoctrination.  Just look in Amazon under Religion & Spirituality & go to the New Age section, you will find plenty of books on Jesus.

        1. MizBejabbers profile image92
          MizBejabbersposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Thanks, but I belong to several online groups who study this subject. I have bought a couple from Amazon though.

  3. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 8 months ago

    So what, if you are "New Born" you loose your  >>> O W N <<< will?


     
                      N O

    1. MizBejabbers profile image92
      MizBejabbersposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      Kathryn, I don't interpret being "new born" as losing one's own will, but I'm looking at it from a spiritualist viewpoint, not Christian dogma. I believe it means that once you've made the connection, you listen to your higher self that has a connection to god or spirit, not your lower mind, which gives you the capacity to make better decisions. But you still have the free will to let your lower mind screw you up if that's what you really want. LOL

      1. The0NatureBoy profile image44
        The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        Actually, understanding "new born" it is like ...

        The Adam and Eve metaphor was separating Yin from Yang in all man except Noah and his family atet e flood. The separated man are human=cut from man and woman woven from man but neither man, human nor woman is a gender. That cause our brains to divide into left intellectual or carnal and right the spiritual or intuitive and during this civilization left brain boys controls the world and in Rev. 21 right brain girls do, neither sees 360 degrees but only 180 max. When the metamorphosis of "new birth" is completed it eliminates the divide within our brains we are able to see all things in 360, after all, it i written we are in god and god is within us, so we all obtain all of the ab ileitis the christ demonstrated by making human/woman man again.

      2. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        … and who wants to do that? Thats why consciously knowing the truth sets you free.

        1. The0NatureBoy profile image44
          The0NatureBoyposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Consciously "knowing the truth MAKES you free" because one CANNOT know truth without living it.

  4. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 8 months ago

    If I say, "Thy will be done," it is a conscious choice to finding and following "Thy Will".

    They DO use their own volition in the matter.

    Furthermore, if this were not true there would be NO purpose for human existence.

    1. The0NatureBoy profile image44
      The0NatureBoyposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      Charmaine, your *If I say, "Thy will be done," it is a conscious choice to finding and following "Thy Will"* is correctly stated from the carnal perspective BUT from the spiritual perspective what is called god has already predestined you to say "thy will be done" which means you consciously said it after being directed to say it from within especially when it is said from what we call "the heart".

      The purpose for EVERY THING in existence is for causing every fragment or "god particle" to ceaselessly learn and forget forget over and over again every aspect of existence for giving purpose for existence's being.

  5. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 8 months ago

    To be clear: 

    Elias = Elijah. 

    Elias does NOT = Elisha.

    Elijah and Elisha reincarnated together. They recognized each other while in the womb when their mothers met, as I recall from Bible passages.

    They had been together in their previous incarnations and reincarnated 400 years later.

    4 to 5 hundred years is the average stay in the astral realm before reincarnating and working out karma to spiritually evolve toward the light from whence we ALL came.

    It is safe to assume that many of us who were born in the 1900's had lived during the renaissance period in past lives.

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    1. Michael-Milec profile image61
      Michael-Milecposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      This is, as far as I am concerned a very "successful " joke,- if ever something like this exists. God, the Creator of the universe is The Spirit, He is God of  the living not God of dead, the One  who created everything what is  created, known and unknown to humans, and be assured, He is not in any  recycling production of humans, His word is powerful to create everything new...

      1. dianetrotter profile image69
        dianetrotterposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        It blows my mind that people can believe this stuff but cannot believe that God is alive, has always existed, loves us, and wants us to spend eternity with Him.  It's so simple  It takes more faith to believe in all of these variations of reincarnation, extra-terrrestrials and little gods than it does to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

      2. The0NatureBoy profile image44
        The0NatureBoyposted 7 months agoin reply to this

        If you don't believe "what ever a man sow so shall he also reap" then I agree with you but if you do believe that then that's exactly what it is telling you. It's saying every plant you ate, animated life you killed, precious stone you used and all other earthen entities you've had anything to do with you have been: THAT IS GOD RECYCLING..

      3. The0NatureBoy profile image44
        The0NatureBoyposted 7 months agoin reply to this

        Michael-Miles,
        Where in the Bible do we find a reference to the living dead other than where Jesus said "let the dead bury their dead"? Since Jesus said there are man who are dead there should be another scriptural reference to them.

        I say "the Great Flood"!
        Gen. 1 has plants produced on day 3, Sun placed on day 4, b ids and fish on day 5 and all other animals and man of both genders produced on day 6 with dominion (the abilities demonstrated by the christ) that was followed by a day of rest; Gen. 2 has on day 8 an earth without plants, a single man formed from the earth, a garden planted with a tree life and of the knowledge of good and evil (or tree of death), the man placed therein, birds and animals formed from the earth that man named and then had another man "woven from him" (meaning mind unable to comprehend all things because of not being complete man) he called woman.

        Being those days, per Peter, were a thousand years day 8 continues until they die (became "minds unable to comprehend all things" as the word man means) from eating "the knowledge of good and evil", are put out of the garden - then skip to the flood in chapter 6 for our purpose where - and god calls those first man "sons of god" (because they had dominion powersJesus demonstrated) and Adan and Eve's descendants "daughters of man" those who married the ideology of Adam and Eve who were already "the living dead". Noah and his sons represent the four primary ethnics, Noah and Adam the Asians, Cain and Japheth Natives of the Americas, Ham and Esau being Africans with Shem and Jacob being Europeans. They also represent a group out of each of those four ethnics who maintained the "dominion powers" Jesus demonstrated with Australia's Aboriginals and Europe Druids being the only two people I know maintained those abilities.

        Thus, woman-in-mass who continue to use "good / evil" judgments are the living dead and make Jesus to have been conceived by, since he was a man of color preached diseased as snow (Exo. 4:6-8), an Australian Aboriginal.

        Either you agree, show me some other cause for "the living dead" or proclaim yourself a living dead.

        Aloha

        1. Michael-Milec profile image61
          Michael-Milecposted 7 months agoin reply to this

          The0NatureBoy, your insulting nature of dialog caused recently to discontinue dialog with you. This time you do the same,  urging me to "agree" with your idea or " proclaim yourself (myself) a living dead".  In my cultural background the civilized  people do not talk this way.
          Meanwhile you can find  more than one Scripture where Jesus of Nazareth said "Let the dead bury their dead".  Those who do have spiritual life understand the quote " he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life."
          Soli Deo Gloria.

          1. dianetrotter profile image69
            dianetrotterposted 7 months agoin reply to this

            Amen!

          2. The0NatureBoy profile image44
            The0NatureBoyposted 7 months agoin reply to this

            Michael-Miles, It is not meant as an insult, either one of us can be, What I asked is for something to suggest "the living dead" is something other than the human/woman "daughters of man" of the flood, I apologize for saying " show me some other cause for "the living dead" or proclaim yourself a living dead" as I work hard not to make such proclamations I do sometimes slip. Forgive me, I MEANT NO JUDGMENT.

            1. Michael-Milec profile image61
              Michael-Milecposted 7 months agoin reply to this

              You are forgiven, indeed you are.
              Shalom.

  6. Michael-Milec profile image61
    Michael-Milecposted 7 months ago

    dianetrotter cheer up! Once  the apostle dealt with similar cases when made final conclusion. The merely natural man does not accept the things of God's Spirit; they are foolishness to him. He cannot understand them because they must be examined spiritually. The spiritual man examines all things...  ( The spirit of God within a born of  God child of God- (and Michael has nothing to do with it.) We JUST let God be  God .
    “Has anyone ever known
    the thoughts of the Lord
    or given him advice?”
    But we possess Christ's mind.

    1. dianetrotter profile image69
      dianetrotterposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      Thank you Michael!  It started frustrating me because I wanted to have a coherent conversation.  I tried.  You are right.  Let God be God!

 
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